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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  chicken on Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:45 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I haven't seen any evidence that any MiG-29/MiG-35 can carry a supersonic Kalibr variant.

    But yes a MiG-29K can for sure carry a subsonic one.

    AFAIK they are a very similar weight... the supersonic version having a 200kg warhead and the subsonic version twice that (400kgs).

    Add to that the mini Brahmos-M mentioned on this forum with a mach 3 speed and a 500km range I rather suspect it will be a very potent aircraft...

    The thing is that the Supersonic version is a couple metres longer or so.

    I was looking over MiG-29K/MiG-35 weapon capability the other day and I found only references to subsonic Kalibr model designations; hence my suspicions.



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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:08 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I was looking over MiG-29K/MiG-35 weapon capability the other day and I found only references to subsonic Kalibr model designations; hence my suspicions.

    I don't know of any air launched anti ship model of Klub... the airborne launched models AFAIK are land attack Kalibr only.

    I've seen quite a few references to the MiG-29K/MiG-35 being compatible with the subsonic versions of the Kalibr; in both their land-attack and anti-ship export variants.

    e.g. http://www.flyfighterjet.com/jetflights/mig-29-documentary-wings-of-russia.html

    That is perhaps why they are bothering to make the smaller lighter Brahmos-M?

    It seems to be the only supersonic anti-ship missile that we definately know to be compatible with the MiG-29K/MiG-35.

    The only snag is that it seems to be targatted for the Indian Navy and export market, but I'm sure that the Russian Navy is examining the possibility of procuring them for their own use - if they haven't decided on it already that is.

    For the subsonic role the MiG-29K/MiG-35s have both the Uran and the subsonic Kalibr; so no problems there.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:34 pm

    Is there any actual news that any service is integrating Klub/Kalibr with MiG-29K?

    Plastic containers are nice, but I have yet to see anything past that. And doubt there is anything.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:06 pm

    TR1 wrote:Is there any actual news that any service is integrating Klub/Kalibr with MiG-29K?

    Plastic containers are nice, but I have yet to see anything past that. And doubt there is anything.

    Well the MIG-29K isn't officially in service as yet, while the MiG-35 order is still being negotiated - so I dare say that there's nothing to integrate with just yet, and that in general it's still too early to say for now.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:15 pm

    We have seen them (company MiG-29K and MiG-29M2s, as well as Navy K/KUBs) flying around with Kh-31 and Kh-35.

    Meanwhile the Klub container has never been seen outside of airshow plastic models.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:We have seen them (company MiG-29K and MiG-29M2s, as well as Navy K/KUBs) flying around with Kh-31 and Kh-35.

    Meanwhile the Klub container has never been seen outside of airshow plastic models.

    Has the Klub really been seen much of anywhere at all, as part of any weapons system or launcher? Outside of brouchures, plastic mock-ups, promo videos and the like I mean.

    Remember it's a pretty new weapon, and a very potent one - they might not too eager to show it off to the public, nor will they neccesserily be in a rush to press it into service - albeit I think it's inevitable that they will do; and for all platforms - ship-launched, sub-launched, air-launched & ground-launched.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:22 am

    I would expect the MiG-29K and MiG-35 to be compatible with the Klub family of weapons... I rather suspect the Su-33 upgrade will be a cheap SM upgrade rather than a radical and expensive Su-35 like upgrade with the Su-33 being the fighter interceptor and the MiG-29K being the bomb truck... and trainer.


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    If a Mig-35 can carry Kalibr can a Mig-29K also carry it?

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:11 pm

    GarryB wrote:I would expect the MiG-29K and MiG-35 to be compatible with the Klub family of weapons... I rather suspect the Su-33 upgrade will be a cheap SM upgrade rather than a radical and expensive Su-35 like upgrade with the Su-33 being the fighter interceptor and the MiG-29K being the bomb truck... and trainer.

    According to that link; they want to use the Su-33 for long-range air superiority, and the MiG-29K for medium-range air superiority. Although I assume the MIG-29K will be designated for any multirole missions that might come up too.

    Given that the Su-33 will be left with a specific role; they probably won't keep more than 4-6 of them on the Kuznetsov; the MiG-29Ks are perfectly capable of ensuring air cover at closer ranges.
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    Post  mack8 on Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:54 pm

    Must be part of this year's lot:

    http://russianplanes.net/id159776
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    Post  medo on Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:06 pm

    mack8 wrote:Must be part of this year's lot:

    http://russianplanes.net/id159776

    I think this one is for India. it doesn't have Pastel RWR as Russian MiG-29K have.
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    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:52 pm

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:23 am

    Filmed in the exposition of the International Military-Technical Forum "Army 2015" in Kubinka near Moscow is one of the new naval MiG-29K (hull number "39 blue"), built for the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in 2014 under a contract from February 2012 the supply of 20 MiG-29K and four MiG-29KUB.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1347280.html


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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:59 pm

    Russian Navy to Get Over 20 Ship-Borne Fighter Jets by Year-End

    The aviation branch of the Russian Navy will get more than 20 new ship-borne MiG-29K fighters by the end of 2015, the Defense Ministry’s press service said.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The warplanes will serve as a backbone for a new aviation unit within the Northern Feet.

    "To boost the Navy’s aviation component, the work is underway to equip the Navy Aviation [branch] with MiG-29K. This work began in 2013 and will be finalized in 2015," the press service said in a statement, adding the Navy will get more than 20 MiGs.

    Russia has been stepping up its presence in the Arctic since late 2014 when it revised its military doctrine to declare the region an area of its interest.

    The Arctic is believed to have vast untapped reserves of oil and gas. The five Arctic Circle countries, comprising the United States, Russia, Canada, Norway, and Denmark, are particularly interested in exploring them.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150726/1025051726.html#ixzz3gwVl3dvB


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:01 am

    GarryB wrote:The question is... when the Su-33s are grounded, will they put MiGs on board or will they take this opportunity to put the K into dry dock for that big upgrade it was supposed to be getting.

    I suspect it all depends on the status of all the new things they want to fit... and the changes they want to make.

    testing the new nuclear propulsion plants for new heavy ships and carriers would be useful, but if they are not ready then it might spend some more time at sea...

    they will likely wait for the naval Koalition gun system to be ready or perhaps a 203mm calibre version of it.... Twisted Evil   and of course having S-500 ready to go would also make things faster...

    I have seen some reports in Russian sources that they are planning to form two air wings for Kuznetsov atm one new with Mig29K and one that will consits from overhauled SU33s and SU25UTG and will serve as secondary air wing, i am guessing this is sign they are serious about new carrier and that they want to have more deck capable pilots available.
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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  mack8 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:00 pm

    Today two MiG-29Ks  flew from Luhovits to Yeisk:
    http://mil-avia.livejournal.com/117006.html

    This could be one of them:
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:40 pm

    Militarov wrote:i am guessing this is sign they are serious about new carrier and that they want to have more deck capable pilots available.

    The "new" carrier will be the post-mid-life refit Admiral Kuznetsov.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:52 am

    new 2 delivered?


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    Post  Dima on Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:46 am

    Mods, this is a MiG-29K related thread but lots of post related to carrier and shipyards. If possible shift all those post in last few pages to the related/appropriate thread preferably to the Shipyard/infrastructure related thread.

    Also, please edit Mig-29K to MiG-29K, its really irritating to see it mostly written as Mig.
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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  mack8 on Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:51 pm

    MiG-29K at Eisk:
    http://codename-it.livejournal.com/1961276.html

    KUB Bort 50 at Akhtubinsk:


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    Post  franco on Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:58 pm

    Naval Aviation starts training at Yeisk on the Mig-29K, 14 on site and final 10 to be delivered this year. Should go operational next year.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1495069.html
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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:40 am

    Those wanting to continue the discussion about shipyards and new carriers can look here:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2100p45-united-shipbuilding-corporation-news

    About 4 pages in will have the stuff from this thread.

    Before posting anything else to this thread please make sure it is directly related to the MiG-29K


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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Rmf on Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:16 pm

    how much less footprint does mig-29k have over su-33? kuznetsov could carry 14 su-33 or 20 mig-29k.
    chinese lianonig without granits can carry 26 su-33 - that means 36 mig-29?
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    Post  artjomh on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:36 pm

    Rmf wrote:how much less footprint does mig-29k have over su-33? kuznetsov could carry 14 su-33 or 20 mig-29k.
    chinese lianonig without granits can carry 26 su-33  -  that means 36 mig-29?

    Kuznetsov aircraft wing is not limited by space, but rather by the number of available aircraft. There is A LOT more space for more Su-33 in there.

    However, to answer your question... Mig-29K is similar in size to F/A-18E/F. Slightly smaller. Shorter length (17.3 m vs 18.3), and smaller folded wingspan (7.8 m vs 9.3 m). Su-33 is 21.2 m by 7.4 m in dimension.

    For perspective:

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    Post  Rmf on Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:52 am

    well not quite, i still dont know how max su-33 or mig-29 kuznetsov can take. but su-33 sure does fold allot, its less width then mig-29 in hangar. only longer. 22x7,4 vs 17,3x7,8.
    does su-33 outer folding wing have fuel tanks?
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    Post  mack8 on Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:15 pm

    Something heard in the past, Korotkov hopes for a new MiG-29K/KUB order for VMF:
    http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3207

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