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    MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:09 pm

    Defence buys deck MiG-29K for the "Admiral Kuznetsov"
    25.09.2009

    Russia's Navy expects to buy a new carrier-based fighter MiG-29K for a single heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov ". Russia's Navy expects to buy a new carrier-based fighter MiG-29K for a single heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. According to Vedomosti newspaper, it was stated by an informed source in the Defense Ministry of Russia, noting that the contract may be concluded in the next two years. According to the newspaper Vedomosti reported, said an informed source in the Defense Ministry of Russia, noting that the contract may be concluded in the next two years. information was confirmed by the general designer of one of the defense enterprises, which produces aggregates for these aircraft, while the MiG corporation to comment. Information confirmed the general designer of one of the defense enterprises, which produces aggregates for these planes, while Corporation "MiG" refrained from comment.

    As the publishing analyst at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Konstantin Makiyenko, the deal makes the fact that the planes were designed for India order under the contract for the sale of the country's aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya", which is composed of Russia's Navy has been known as the "Admiral Gorshkov. As the publishing analyst at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Konstantin Makiyenko, the deal makes the fact that the planes were designed for India order under the contract for the sale of the country's aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya", which is composed of Russia's Navy has been known as the "Admiral Gorshkov. India has paid 730 millions of dollars for the development and delivery of 16 fighters, while 24 cars for Russia's fleet would cost about $ 1 billion. India has paid 730 million dollars for the development and delivery of fighters 16, 24 while the vehicle for Russia's fleet would cost an amount about a billion dollars 1.

    Currently, according to a companion publication to the Ministry of Defense, the Navy has a fleet of 19 deck fighters Su-33, a resource which will expire by 2015. Currently, according to a companion publication to the Ministry of Defense, the Navy has a fleet of 19 deck fighters Su-33, a resource which will expire by 2015. This production of new Su-33 is possible but not cost-effective for small volumes. This production of new Su-33 is possible but not cost-effective for small volumes. At the same time, the MiG-29K in this respect are more convenient, because the Indians have already ordered 16 aircraft and plans to buy at least 28 cars. At the same time, the MiG-29K in this respect are more convenient, 16 since the Indians have already ordered the aircraft and plans to buy at least 28 cars. As noted Konstantin Makienko, it cheapens the series and allows you to save on development. As noted Konstantin Makienko, it cheapens the series and allows you to save on development.

    Decked fighter aircraft MiG-29K fighters are multirole fighter generation "4 + +" and may be based on aircraft carriers with a displacement of 28 000 tonnes. Decked fighter aircraft MiG-29K fighters are multirole fighter generation "4 + +" and may be based on aircraft carriers with a displacement of 28 000 tonnes. They feature an improved glider with a share of composite materials, folding wings, low visibility, increased fuel capacity and other properties. They feature an improved glider with a share of composite materials, folding wings, low visibility, increased fuel capacity and other properties. Maximum takeoff weight of MiG-29K is 24500 kg, max speed - 2200 miles per hour, service ceiling - 17,500 feet. Maximum takeoff weight of MiG-29K is 24,500 kilograms, the maximum speed - 2200 miles per hour, service ceiling - 17,500 feet.

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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:05 pm

    Russian Navy to buy 24 MiG-29K carrier-based fighters

    RIA Novosti

    19:12 09/10/2009 MOSCOW, October 9 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Navy will buy at least 24 MiG-29K (Fulcrum-D) fighters to be deployed on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, an unnamed Defense Ministry official said on Friday.

    He added that deliveries of the carrier-based multirole fighters would start in 2010.

    The MiGs will subsequently replace the Su-33 (Flanker-D) carrier-based fighters, even though their service life does not expire until 2025.

    Military analyst Konstantin Makiyenko suggested that production of new Su-33 aircraft was possible but not cost-effective, given the small production volumes, whereas considering that India has already contracted 16 MiG-29K's and could place an order for another 28, the latter option is more financially viable.

    The 24 aircraft will cost an estimated $1 billion.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091009-rianovosti06.htm

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    Post  bhramos on Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:07 am

    Its a good news for Mig company which is in debt,
    another good news for company is India going to order another 28 Mig-29K's for its own Carriers soon.
    this orders will definatly less the burden the of Mig company,
    it had loss when Algeria returned Mig-29's.

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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:32 am

    anyway what would happen to the Su-33's ? will they get upgrades or..disposed so that Kuznetsov can accommodate larger numbers of MiG-29K's ?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:29 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:anyway what would happen to the Su-33's ? will they get upgrades or..disposed so that Kuznetsov can accommodate larger numbers of MiG-29K's ?

    They would be transfered to land based naval aviation.

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    Post  Viktor on Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:56 pm

    So how many MIG-29K would be posible to get onboard Kuznjecov.

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    Russian Navy to receive new carrier-based fighters

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:53 am

    Russian Navy to receive new carrier-based fighters

    RIA Novosti

    15/01/201018:57

    MOSCOW, January 15 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Navy will take delivery of the first MiG-29K (Fulcrum-D) fighters later this year, a Navy official said on Friday.

    "This year we are planning to buy the first batch of several machines," he said.

    He did not give an exact figure for the fighters, which are due to be deployed on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier.

    The Navy earlier said it would buy a total of 24 MiG-29Ks in the next three to four years.

    The military official said the Navy was currently using MiG-29K carrier-based multirole fighters and the more advanced Su-33 (Flanker-D) fighters, which will subsequently replace the MiGs.

    "The Su-33s' service life is to expire in 2015, but we intend to extend it through 2025," he said.

    Military analyst Konstantin Makiyenko has suggested that production of new Su-33 aircraft is possible but not cost-effective, given the small production volumes, whereas considering that India has already contracted 16 MiG-29Ks and could place an order for another 28, the latter option is more financially viable.

    The 24 aircraft will cost an estimated $1 billion.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100115-rianovosti01.htm


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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:03 am

    anyway.. what's the new doctrine of Russian Carriers ? will they use a catapult based or still stick on sky jump ?

    i heard there would be a plan to adapt Su-33 and MiG-29K for catapult launch

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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:58 am

    Hard to say the Flanker folded all over the place including the nose, the wings and the horizontal tail surfaces and tail stinger.
    The Kuznetsov is supposed to be getting an upgrade too in which the vertial launchers for the Granit missiles will be removed to make more room for hangar space and there is talk of a change in powerplant and the potential addition of a catapault system.

    The Mig-29K is a much better aircraft than the Su-33 which is really only a slightly modified Su-27. The Su-33KUB however looks like a carrier based Su-34 and seemed to be very interesting.

    Of course with Mig making the Mig-29K for the Indians it made sense to add an order for the Russian navy for some new planes as the Su-33s are a bit worn out.
    By 2020 hopefully there will be a naval model T-50 with possibly cat launch and conventional landing capability.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:33 pm

    Catapault launch is really only necessary for heavy aircraft and its main value for the Russian carriers would be to allow a heavy AWACs aircraft to be carried.
    An AWACS aircraft with a long flight range, long endurance, and a big radar means long range eyes that can see targets from long distances including low flying ones.
    The other main use would be for strike aircraft to launch carrying a heavy load of fuel and weapons.

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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:09 am


    Russian aircraft carrier readies for training mission

    RIA Novosti

    02:30 15/09/2010 MURMANSK, September 15 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, has left a dry dock after scheduled repairs and is getting ready for a training mission in the Barents Sea, the Northern Fleet said in a statement.

    "The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier will sail to the Barents Sea at the end of September on a training mission relevant to its main purpose," the statement said.

    The warship was assigned to the Northern Fleet in January 1991. It is capable of carrying 26 Su-33 Flanker-D and MiG-29K Fulcrum-D carrier-based fighter jets, and 24 anti-submarine helicopters.

    The upcoming mission will most likely involve a comprehensive program of naval pilot training to further develop the skills acquired by pilots at the Nitka Naval Pilot Training Center in Ukraine.

    The Admiral Kuznetsov is expected to be docked at Sevmash shipyards in 2012 for full-scale modernization, which will continue for at least five years.

    Russia is aiming to finish drafting plans for a new nuclear-powered aircraft carrier for its Navy by 2012 and build at least three of the ships for its Northern and Pacific fleets.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-100915-rianovosti01.htm

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:26 am

    With the Kuznetsov to be in refit from 2012 till 2017 I would expect a huge number of changes to be made.
    Considering their drive for new stuff instead of wasting money on obsolete stuff I would expect they will go for nuclear propulsion and EM catapults.
    It really makes no sense to waste money on developing steam catapults now as this technology is largely obsolete and requires lots of high pressure high temperature pipes carrying steam from the rear to the front of the ship.
    It has to be said too that it is the regular use of the steam catapults that makes a Nimitz class carrier easy to spot from space because the IR signature of steam cats in use stands out quite clearly in the open ocean.

    If they do bother with catapults then this will greatly improve the air components performance because an dedicated inflight refuelling tanker aircraft can be deployed to greatly extend operational range and also perhaps on the same airframe base an AEW or AWACs aircraft can be deployed to extend the range of detection for the carrier group.

    I also personally think a mini AWACS like aircraft would be ideal for export to smaller countries that might have a large land area to protect where one A-50 would not be enough and the 5-6 needed would be too expensive for a smaller air arm. A new carrier based AWACS aircraft like the old proposed Yak-44 would make an ideal aircraft for countries like Iran or Egypt or Syria because they could afford to buy 4-5 of them and use them to close gaps in their ground radar network and also make the management of interception of large numbers of low flying targets like cruise missiles much easier without breaking the bank.

    edit: I should add that Russia herself could do with a few lighter AEW platforms to fill gaps or cover areas that lack permanent coverage. Especially with high mobility forces having smaller AEW aircraft that can operate at smaller airfields makes sense as they can be deployed further forward which might make a larger aircraft more vulnerable but would allow a smaller aircraft to better use its jamming capability.

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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  medo on Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:17 pm

    Will be Mig-29K for Russian navy comparable with Mig-35 or will be more comparable with Mig-29SMT? For defending naval fleet it would be better if they are on Mig-35 level.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:35 pm

    medo wrote:Will be Mig-29K for Russian navy comparable with Mig-35 or will be more comparable with Mig-29SMT? For defending naval fleet it would be better if they are on Mig-35 level.

    It would be similar to Indian Navy Mig-29K.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:03 pm

    Most of the things on the Mig-35 could as easily be fitted to the Mig-29K.

    In many ways the Mig-29K is a Mig-29M2 with folding bits and a tailhook.

    The Mig-35 seems to be a step above with larger 5 pylon wing and AESA radar and integrated EO system.

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    Mig 29 K look into Factory

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:55 am

    I am sorry , i could not copy the video to here but here is the link to it: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/235155/ sadly in Russian but alot is seen...



    I found it interesting...


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:29 am

    Recognised a few words like Mig and India and contract and machine.

    I assume these are the first few aircraft of the 1.5 billion dollar follow on order for 26 or 29 Mig-29Ks for the Indian Navy the contract for which was signed a while back.

    Hopefully this cash injection will help MIG upgrade its tooling and equipment and train some specialists to get ready for newer programs like a light weight 5th gen fighter.

    Hopefully also they will work with the Indians to set up a decent spares and support agreement that will prevent gaps in delivery of needed spares.

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    Russia rejects MiG-29K for Kuznetsov

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:44 am

    Russia rejects MiG-29K for Kuznetsov

    At the MAKS-2011 August 16 revealed that the Defense Ministry refused to buy from the RAC "MiG" 24 aircraft for the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov". Not only that the machine gives the characteristics of a heavy Su-33, so still it turned out that she has a problem with the onboard electronics. In addition, it is still unclear why the plane crashed two months ago on trial in Akhtubinsk - literally fell apart in the air during a complex maneuver.

    Electronics ship "MiG" was originally created to supply to India. This country, in 2004 we bought the cruiser "Admiral Gorshkov" aircraft and 29. The fulfillment of this contract has not yet been completed.

    Western avionics of the native "guts" of the aircraft are incompatible with Russian hardware. Therefore, for the Ministry of Defence RAC "MiG" Russian Aircraft retrofitted devices - and their quality did not suit the customer.

    The military also talk about an inflated price of aircraft.

    At the RAC "MiG" is calculated by year's end to finalize the on-board electronics and sign the contract. "Otherwise, the company faces closure after the Indian contract", - the deputy director of the Institute of Military Studies, Alexander Khramchikhin.

    The only possible alternative to the "MiGs" is the Su-33 company "Sukhoi". His fighting ability was confirmed by August 17 at the exercises in the Barents Sea, during which two dozen Su-33 successfully boarded by being on the high seas cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" and returned to base. This machine is also interested in China, which has not yet created such a machine for its aircraft carriers.

    - MiG-29 is physically newer, as the Su-33 was produced in 1990, and everything else is second - recognizes Khramchikhin.

    The problem is that the Su-33 for four years is not performed.

    - To restore its production at Komsomolsk-on-Amur, or in another plant will need two or three years - said the representative of the United Aircraft Company, which consists of all Russian aircraft factories and design offices.

    Defense talks with the RAC "MiG" continuing, but they are hampered another challenge. Two months ago, crashed during testing of the MiG-29K in dvuhpilotnom version ("SPARK"). Test pilots Kruzhalin Alexander and Oleg Match died.

    Cause of the accident is still unknown. According to preliminary reports, the plane dropped off down the wing, may not withstand the stresses.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:45 am

    If there is something wrong with the electronics why did the Indians... after receiving 11 of the 16 they ordered (the remaining 5 to be delivered this year) sign a new contract for another two dozen?

    A few problems with electronics is normal for new aircraft, and the suggestion that the Mig-29K is inferior in every regard to the Su-33 is a joke.
    The Su-33 is an Su-27 with folding wings and a tailhook... its weapons options are AAMs and dumb iron bombs and unguided rockets. It can't even carry and use R-77.

    I rather suspect that they are trying to compare the Su-33KUB with the Mig, in which case the comparison has already been made and the Mig won because it was already in production.

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    Post  Corrosion on Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:13 am

    Hmm... that is interesting. They are saying that plane fell apart during complex maneuver. It could be very well be a production defect. Mig 29 airframe has been in use for ages, more recently Indian Navy has completed 1000 hrs of testing on this particular version. On one hand this article is stating that causes of crash are unknown on other hand it is speculating...

    If its electronic/electric fault it cant be a big deal that they want to cancel the order altogether. Wont make sense, since any reopening Su33 line will be far more costly than troubleshooting the cause of this crash and fixing the problem.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:04 am

    Folding wings introduce a weakness that reduces strength, but I would think speculating at this point is of little use till the real problem is determined.

    If it is a design or manufacturing problem then it is important that solutions are found and implimented... if it was a manoeuvre that caused too much stress on the aircraft then that needs to go into the training manual too.

    I find it a little surprising that no news agencies have mentioned the Russian Navy rejection of the Mig-29K so far...

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    Post  Corrosion on Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:57 am

    GarryB wrote:Folding wings introduce a weakness that reduces strength,

    Oops...I totally forgot about folding wings, there is a possibility definitely yes. To be honest with you as an engineer, i have always had bad opinion about the things that slide(friction) or fold(hinges) especially in high performance/stress environments even if these things not folding while stressed. When you have a choice to have things fixed, always go for it. But i agree as well that trade-offs are important aspect and have to be implemented.

    So what next now, don't hang heavy stuff on outer stations of Mig29k or don't push it beyond certain boundaries under certain maneuvers while in air. Either way Naval Aviation from carriers will always have limits.

    Wont be good news for Mig corp. if it is indeed a structural problem and Russian navy doesn't want it. We have to wait and see if and when any new details emerge about that crash.

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    Post  medo on Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:54 pm

    I read that Russian MoD will not sign contract for Mig-29K and Yak-130 on MAKS 2011, because they still negotiate about price for planes.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:55 am

    Wont be good news for Mig corp. if it is indeed a structural problem and Russian navy doesn't want it. We have to wait and see if and when any new details emerge about that crash.

    We certainly need more info about the crash.

    The Mig-29K like most other modern naval fighters with folding wings have a g limit of 8 rather than 9 for the standard wing versions and the fact that the Soviets and now Russians use flight control systems with soft rather than hard limits might have allowed a pilot to pull more gs than they should have.

    In the Soviet/Russian planes when you pull back on the stick the flight control system measures that force and uses that to determine the turn rate or energy to apply. For some feedback the pilot will feel some resistance on the stick but if they pull the stick hard enough to exceed some flight parameter like pushing the stick forward all the way and then yanking it back all the way in two swift movements the plane would rip itself apart so as the pilot pushes the stick as the plane gets near its performance envelope the stick suddenly gets harder to move. It will still move because the pilot knows best and as far as the aircraft knows this manouver might help the plane avoid hitting the ground which is worth going above 8 or 9 gs if it is going to save the plane and pilot.

    In the F-16 or other western aircraft the limits are hard so once the plane gets to 9gs in an F-16 it doesn't matter how hard the stick is pushed it wont turn any faster (the stick in the F-16 is fixed so there is little feedback as to what the aircraft is doing).

    This means that if the pilot is careless and thinks he is in a Mig-35 rather than a Mig-29K and especially if he is testing the edge of the envelope, then it is perfectly possible he could have been at fault and that will go into the flight manual as a manouver not to perform over water or enemy territory... Smile

    I read that Russian MoD will not sign contract for Mig-29K and Yak-130 on MAKS 2011, because they still negotiate about price for planes.

    A little ironic really... the Indian Navy has 11 Mig-29Ks and will get their remaining 5 planes this year, but have not carrier to fly from. The Russian navy has a carrier but no Migs to fly from it...

    Hopefully it will get sorted out.

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    Post  Gagydza on Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:15 am

    GarryB wrote:If there is something wrong with the electronics why did the Indians... after receiving 11 of the 16 they ordered (the remaining 5 to be delivered this year) sign a new contract for another two dozen?
    I think there is nothing wrong with the electronics and the Indians know that. It seems like whether MoD is trying to lower prices, or MiG's requested kickback is too big.

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