Russia and other developments in Hypersonic Research

George1 wrote:Kalashnikov gunmaker developing hypersonic target missile for testing air defense systems dubbed Gvozdika (Carnation)

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1031079

The design bureau behind 'Buran', NPO Molniya, is now officially part of the Kalashnikov concern, so this is not too far of a stretch.

The Avangardis to enter service in 2019. Is there any information about Cirkon?The last test was in May 2017 and has been quiet since then.

Arrow wrote: Is there any information about Cirkon?The last test was in May 2017 and has been quiet since then.

Will they export zirkon?

George1 wrote:Russia starts developing land-based hypersonic missile with intermediate range, says Putin

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1042977

"I agree with the Defense Ministry’s proposals to start the work on ‘landing’ Kalibr missiles and developing a new area to create a land-based hypersonic missile with intermediate range," Putin noted.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1042977

I knew it. As I said would happen.

Land based hypersonic weapons will just be Khinzal which is actually Iskander but with another booster. Or possibly be Zircon with booster.

20 M much better than Cirkon and Ch-47

Arrow wrote:20 M much better than Cirkon and Ch-47

Boom it's all gone!!!

WOW what a missile!

This missile can only be launched by b-52.
This missile if it has a glide vehicle inside cannot be launched against moving targets.
Obviously the mach 20 is not sourced, just speculation what a glide vehicle can achieve in America (if someday Americans test some glider that works)
The missile wasn't launched.
Zirkon can be launched from ships, submarines, and ground launchers.
What is ch-47? Only get chinnok helicopter.

This missile is twice as fast as Kindzal. For this he has a scramjet engine. The Russian scramjet Cirkon flight only got 9M.

Arrow wrote:This missile is twice as fast as Kindzal. For this he has a scramjet engine. The Russian scramjet Cirkon flight  only got 9M.

The source said that it is a solid-fuel ballistic missile. So in other words - same as the Iskander.

It won't be suitable for use against ships like the Kinzhal though. It's a quasi-ballistic missile with likely some manuevering capability and countermeasures. So useful in other words against stationary ground targets, and as a nuclear weapon.

Arrow wrote:This missile is twice as fast as Kindzal. For this he has a scramjet engine. The Russian scramjet Cirkon flight  only got 9M.

Zirkon is a cruise missile, he CAN hit mobile targets, this mock-up cannot.

The source George1 posted did not say this travels at mach 20.

You compare this mock-up alleged speed with Zirkon and Kindzal, I wonder if there is a hypersonic vehicle of the 3 Putin presented that you are purposely forgetting?.




Obviously this hypersonic missile has nothing to do with Avangard.

NATO fanbois are pathetic. The US is Johnny come lately to the hypersonic party, but by some magic it is way ahead.
Typical delusional masturbation.

Cute how some contract in the corrupt US MIC can produce a functional hypersonic missile in less than a couple of years.
American genes must be so superior to those of other humans, that they don't even have to try.

In the real world, there are serious questions about the specs and viability of this prop.

Of course, the US could have stolen Russian technology. That would be consistent with physical reality.

Arrow is excited about a mock up that was never launched. Or proven to work.

Khinzal on other hand, we know about.

This missile is a solid fuel, nothing special. Mach 20 is assumption with no evidence. But while he requires evidence on Russia's side, he doesn't request the same on the American side.

This will though force Russia to work on newer air defense missiles to be able to counter such systems. I doubt this missile of Americans claim have can even maneuver while Khinzal can. Zircon isn't even the same thing as its a cruise missile thus flies low.

http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12237315@egNews

Russian Armed Forces to receive completely new hypersonic and laser energy weapons

The Russian Armed Forces are about to get a whole new weapon based on laser energy and hypersonic, the first of its samples have already been introduced into trial combat duty. This was announced by General of the Army Sergei Shoigu as he opened the scientific conference attended by the leadership of the Russian Armed Forces.

"In the near future, the Russian Armed Forces will receive a completely new, unparalleled weapon based on hypersonic and laser energy technologies. Its first samples have already been put on trial combat duty," the head of the Russian military department said.

The President of the Russian Federation last year spoke about the development of state-of-the-art weapons in Russia in his address to the Federal Assembly. This year, he continued the topic and said that the Peresvet laser systems operated in the troops would take on duty this December, the nuclear submarine carrier for the Poseidon will be launched this spring; serial production of the Avangard systems have already been launched".

The head of state also reported on the successful test of the Sarmat intercontinental missile and an unlimited range cruise missile with the Burevestnik nuclear propulsion system.

To be fair.... god I hate that phrase...we have yet to see jack shit of Zircon.

That american missile has probably been flown in some form to be at the stage that it's. Numbers however.... we know advertisement for U.S weapons can be very wild, even by normal standards. Kinda the norm for states to prop up their weaponry like corps do to their products but the U.S does take the cake.

ATLASCUB wrote:To be fair.... god I hate that phrase...we have yet to see jack shit of Zircon.

That american missile has probably been flown in some form to be at the stage that it's. Numbers however.... we know advertisement for U.S weapons can be very wild, even by normal standards. Kinda the norm for states to prop up their weaponry like corps do to their products but the U.S does take the cake.

The secrecy surrounding Zircon is interesting. I am assuming Kinzhal got publicity cause it's an existing missile modified a bit and fitted on an aircraft. Zircon is something new entirely. All we got was Intel on both sides it flew, but that's it.

I hate how Russia hides development. I know we aren't the customers and secrecy is important but it would be nice to see.

I might understand a bit considering that from the descriptions it will become the base for a multitude of missiles to be used all across the board. Miniaturized for the Su-57 and other fighter aircraft, for VLS on ships, land-based tel variants etc. It's a big one, up there with the glide boost vehicle of the sarmat.

Of course they don't show Zirkon...like they don't show Avangard, 40N6, Nudol missile...etc

miketheterrible wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:To be fair.... god I hate that phrase...we have yet to see jack shit of Zircon.

That american missile has probably been flown in some form to be at the stage that it's. Numbers however.... we know advertisement for U.S weapons can be very wild, even by normal standards. Kinda the norm for states to prop up their weaponry like corps do to their products but the U.S does take the cake.

The secrecy surrounding Zircon is interesting. I am assuming Kinzhal got publicity cause it's an existing missile modified a bit and fitted on an aircraft. Zircon is something new entirely. All we got was Intel on both sides it flew, but that's it.

I hate how Russia hides development. I know we aren't the customers and secrecy is important but it would be nice to see.

Don't be irrational.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:To be fair.... god I hate that phrase...we have yet to see jack shit of Zircon.

That american missile has probably been flown in some form to be at the stage that it's. Numbers however.... we know advertisement for U.S weapons can be very wild, even by normal standards. Kinda the norm for states to prop up their weaponry like corps do to their products but the U.S does take the cake.

The secrecy surrounding Zircon is interesting. I am assuming Kinzhal got publicity cause it's an existing missile modified a bit and fitted on an aircraft. Zircon is something new entirely. All we got was Intel on both sides it flew, but that's it.

I hate how Russia hides development. I know we aren't the customers and secrecy is important but it would be nice to see.

Don't be irrational.

You have no idea what irrational is if you think that is.  Take a look at this forums as a whole.

But they have no problem showing most systems. Zircon on the other hand they have been very hush hush. They even showed Poseidon after all.