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    Post  max steel on Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:09 pm

    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
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    Mindstorm wrote:    

    Mindstorm Brahmos 2 is a tactical system not having a range of more than 300 km.

    And Zircon-S has been mentioned as having a range of ~ 1000 km.

    If you mean Zircon-S would use a Scramjet Engine and would thus be Air Breathing Cruise Missile compared to Arclight which is Boost Glide Hypersonic Platform using Ballistic Flight then i understand the technical difference there.

    But Zircon-S would do Mach 5 - 7 compared to Arclight Mach 12 reentry speed which may get reduced as it enters atmosphere but perhaps not much it would still remain hypersonic.

    Bottom line is both are hypersonic platform although Arclight has a longer legs and uses different concept.

    Hopefully the Russians are not sleeping and are working on similar Arc light like concept.

    The head of tactical missile bureau once mentioned that the next goal with scramjet would be to hit Mach 12-13





    I wish Mindstorm could read this but usa hypersonic missile Arclight is LONG DEAD . Cool


    Pentagon  terminated Long Range Hypersonic Arc Light Missile in 2011


    Did Mindstorm actually write that?

    And I am pretty sure whatever is going on with 4202 is the real equivalent to Arclight, and that is where USA is going as well.



    Yup I quoted him from S-400#1 thread actually. He wrote it 3 years back. Project 4202 is different from darpa hgv . Russia wants to add maneuverability in its glider at Vmax speed meanwhile usa glider isn't based on maneuverability at all , they are looking at greater speed only just to scare minion nations basically.

    4202 speed : Mach 10 DARPA : Mach 20 ( though usa failed both the times and russians also till date never had any successful test.)

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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:44 am

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    what are these? a kind of furniture? lol!

    Ram scoops. Valuable research I would say.

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    Post  Mindstorm on Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:55 am

    max steel wrote:
    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:    

    Mindstorm Brahmos 2 is a tactical system not having a range of more than 300 km.

    And Zircon-S has been mentioned as having a range of ~ 1000 km.

    If you mean Zircon-S would use a Scramjet Engine and would thus be Air Breathing Cruise Missile compared to Arclight which is Boost Glide Hypersonic Platform using Ballistic Flight then i understand the technical difference there.

    But Zircon-S would do Mach 5 - 7 compared to Arclight Mach 12 reentry speed which may get reduced as it enters atmosphere but perhaps not much it would still remain hypersonic.

    Bottom line is both are hypersonic platform although Arclight has a longer legs and uses different concept.

    Hopefully the Russians are not sleeping and are working on similar Arc light like concept.

    The head of tactical missile bureau once mentioned that the next goal with scramjet would be to hit Mach 12-13





    I wish Mindstorm could read this but usa hypersonic missile Arclight is LONG DEAD . Cool


    Pentagon  terminated Long Range Hypersonic Arc Light Missile in 2011


    Did Mindstorm actually write that?

    And I am pretty sure whatever is going on with 4202 is the real equivalent to Arclight, and that is where USA is going as well.



    Yup I quoted him from S-400#1 thread actually. He wrote it 3 years back. Project 4202 is different from darpa hgv . Russia wants to add maneuverability in its glider at Vmax speed meanwhile usa glider isn't based on maneuverability at all , they are looking at greater speed only just to scare minion nations basically.

    4202 speed : Mach 10 DARPA : Mach 20 ( though usa failed both the times and russians also till date never had any successful test.)



    Please max steel you do NOT quoted me; you quoted instead a question asked to me by part of Austin on the subject.


    Mine responses was those ones :


    Mindstorm wrote:Granted that :

    - A similar project is still very far from creation of a working sample.
    - In the segment of ballistic propelled stratospheric hypersonic gliding vehicles  (where stil today no operative US made military system or even only successful experimental products has been created) US lag at least 10-15 years behind Russia).....


    a weapon with similar capabilities would ,today, reduce 99% of the Russian Federation Air Defence structure to shred, litterally ; it would achieve and represent in the Reality what "stealth" technology has represented for the collective Immaginary of scarcely knowledgeable people.....


    Mindstorm wrote:Exactly to the point Austin.

    If ever realized, a weapon such as "Arclight" would represent an immense challenge for today air defenses , 48N6DMs would show only very poor chances to intercept a similar Mach 12 maneuvering gliding weapon , and only the now to be introduced 40N6 SAM would offer a defense with good neutralization capabilities against similar offensive elements (and ,as anyone could easily foresee ,theirs number would be absolutely insufficient to repel even only a limited strike).

    Today a similar weapon, therefore, would represent a true nightmare for Russian Aerospace Defence structure, but luckily no such weapon is near to introduction in any NATO nation and with enough time the situation will change.



    Austin wrote:If you mean Zircon-S would use a Scramjet Engine and would thus be Air Breathing Cruise Missile compared to Arclight which is Boost Glide Hypersonic Platform using Ballistic Flight then i understand the technical difference there.

    But Zircon-S would do Mach 5 - 7 compared to Arclight Mach 12 re-entry speed which may get reduced as it enters atmosphere but perhaps not much it would still remain hypersonic.

    Mindstorm wrote:Exactly Austin, right to the point ,but i want also to remark that this one not only represent a fundamental difference under a strict technical point of view but also under a more extensive concept of employment : balistic propelled hypersonic gliders ,such as Archlight, can be (if ever realized by USA) surely used for truly devastating stand off attacks against fixed high paying targets like Command centers, big radar stations, ammo depots, important communication relays etc....(the role now occupied in US Navy by BGM-109) but for ,by now, unavoidable aerodynamics limits similar hypersonic gliders cannot be used against moving targets like ships or mobile air defence elements.


    By the way that particular US Navy program was in high competion with other ones (much much less technically risky); in those terms the program has been not canceled but simply "superseed" and a program specifically optimized for that service will be surely finalized for beginnign of next decade.


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    Mindstorm Brahmos 2 is a tactical system not having a range of more than 300 km.

    Post  max steel on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:35 pm

    [quote="Mindstorm"][quote="max steel"][quote="2SPOOKY4U"]
    max steel wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:    

    Mindstorm Brahmos 2 is a tactical system not having a range of more than 300 km.

    And Zircon-S has been mentioned as having a range of ~ 1000 km.

    If you mean Zircon-S would use a Scramjet Engine and would thus be Air Breathing Cruise Missile compared to Arclight which is Boost Glide Hypersonic Platform using Ballistic Flight then i understand the technical difference there.

    But Zircon-S would do Mach 5 - 7 compared to Arclight Mach 12 reentry speed which may get reduced as it enters atmosphere but perhaps not much it would still remain hypersonic.

    Bottom line is both are hypersonic platform although Arclight has a longer legs and uses different concept.

    Hopefully the Russians are not sleeping and are working on similar Arc light like concept.

    The head of tactical missile bureau once mentioned that the next goal with scramjet would be to hit Mach 12-13





    I wish Mindstorm could read this but usa hypersonic missile Arclight is LONG DEAD . Cool


    Pentagon  terminated Long Range Hypersonic Arc Light Missile in 2011




    Please max steel you do NOT quoted me; you quoted instead a question asked to me by part of Austin on the subject.



     


    It is no longer on their website because the reason as I updated above and till date zero developments have been made for that missile . It was a program and quoting means same only .
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:20 am

    15P170 Albatross

    DATA FOR 2015 (standard completion)
    NIR "Albatross" complex 15P170


    intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). Development of the complex was carried NGOs Engineering (g.Reutovo) of the Decree of the USSR Council of Ministers №173-45 on 9 February 1987, Chief Designer - Gerbert Yefremov. In 1991, it planned to begin testing the complex, and in 1993 was supposed to begin mass production of ICBMs (ist. - Kazydub). Creation of a new missile system with the ability to overcome multi-tier missile defense system was to be the development of an asymmetric response to the US missile defense system on the SDI program . Combat equipment complex - maneuvering planning (winged) hypersonic warheads first generation (power) has the ability to maneuver up to 1000 km in azimuth at the entry into the atmosphere at an altitude of "Karman Line" with speeds of the order of 5.8 - 7.5 km / s (17-22 M). At the heart of the "Albatross" were proposals for managed warheads capable of being evasive on the missile - UBB had to fix the missile launch and make a programmed avoidance maneuver. Elaboration UBB with these features were made ​​in 1979-1980 gg - Performs design automation systems like missile maneuver (the source). The preliminary draft set of "Albatross" developed by the end of 1987 and drew criticism of the Defense Ministry. Designing of the complex was carried out before the beginning of 1989 The main reasons for the termination of the development: the dubious project schedule including because of the problematic inherent in the design of technical solutions. In June 1989 soveschenii NGO Engineering (g.Reutovo) CEO NGOs G.A.Efremov made ​​a proposal to develop a set of "Albatross" as a universal complex for the Strategic Missile Forces - to mine and mobile-based species. This provoked opposition from other developers ICBMs - Moscow Institute of Thermal (MIT) and "Southern" (Dnepropetrovsk). September 9, 1989 to the development of the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of 9 February 1987 came the MIC decision №323, which required the creation instead of the "Albatros" two new missile systems - stationary and mobile ground-based mine universal for both sets of three-stage solid rocket developed by MIT for mobile ground complex "Topol-2." Subject of research is called "Universal" (rocket RT-2PM2 / 8ZH65 later - "Topol-M"). Development PGRK new missile was conducted Mitomo complex, based in silos - CB "Southern" (ist. - Kazydub). Active development of the complex "Albatross" in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces was terminated after the conclusion of the START-1 in 1991, but testing of prototypes UBB continued.



    Drawing aids ALS-1 and ALS-2 of "Call" with the advertising booklet NPO Machine Building, 1990 (http://forums.airbase.ru/).

    On the other, unconfirmed officially, according to the cessation of work on the complex occurred after the preliminary design review by the Ministry of Defence of the USSR happened in 1988-1989, (Source). In 1990-1992 were conducted flight tests of prototypes UBB complex "Albatross". The launches were made ​​from the Kapustin Yar using booster K65M-R. The first launch was made ​​February 28, 1990, "without separation" of the combat load. The chronology starts at progrimme test complex "Albatross":

    No.PP Rocket Style Start (date)
    Polygon Description
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    1 K65M-R
    02.28.1990 Mr.
    Kapustin Yar

    The first launch test program managed combat unit complex "Albatross". Start produced by polygon Sary Shagan. Start was "no separation" payload
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    2 K65M-R 03.05.1990 Mr. Kapustin Yar

    The second start of the test program managed combat unit complex "Albatross". Start produced by polygon Sary Shagan. Start was "no separation" payload

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    Later, using the developments of the project "Albatross" NGO initiated the development of mechanical engineering aeroballistic hypersonic warheads (AGBO) "4202". Starting and ground equipment: Resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers №173-45 on February 9, 1987 proposed to develop a set in three bases - the mobile compactor, stationary mine and mine perebaziruemy. Missile launchers were to have increased resistance to effects of a nuclear explosion, as well as to the effects of radiation and other weapons. - PGRK - silos, stationary version - silos, perebaziruemy option Rocket "Albatross": The design - a three-stage solid propellant missile with a serial arrangement steps. The main objective of the development of the complex - the creation of ICBMs protected from the damaging factors of nuclear explosions, radiation and kinetic weapons. Accordingly, the case should have been rocket has a higher resistance to these damaging factors.  Control and Guidance: Management System IDB autonomous inertial. Development of control and guidance of military equipment was conducted NGO Engineering (g.Reutovo). Winged controlled combat unit (UBB) was to execute software missile maneuvers in azimuth and altitude at altitudes of less than 300 km using a few random choices evasive maneuvers. As use of the system intended flight path correction by UBB radiocontrast reference area in the target area. Use extreme navigation reference matrices terrain not anticipated. By the end of 1980 with the release of the decision and recognition circuits radio-imaging was considered promising. It was planned to accumulate statistics on the application of this technology in testing correction krytaloy missiles 3M25 "Meteorite", but this did not happen. Engines: 1st, 2nd and 3rd stage - SRM TTX complex "Albatross": Maximum speed UBB - 17 22 m Altitude maximum - 250-300 km warheads: - one or more (?) plans to cruise blocks (PCB) with nuclear warheads. Block inertia makes controlled flight in the atmosphere (plans), and can go to the target from any direction and in a wide range of heights. Some sources indicate the index managed combat unit - 15F178. At the same time, we know that is not a 15F178 UBB UBB winged and designed for ICBM R-36M2. According to the source, the first test managed combat unit (probably 15F178) held boosters K65M-R at the track Kapustin Yar - Sary Shagan in 1985-1991 gg Modifications: - complex with ICBMs "Albatross" with winged UBB - basic version of the base case of military equipment; - a set of "call" - TsNIIMASH NGOs together in mechanical engineering in 1990 came out with the initiative to develop a draft proposal to the rescue of rocket and space systems "call". It was suggested to the years 2000-2003 on the basis of an ICBM UR-100NUTTH create a complex assistance to ships that are in distress. Poeznaya load - special aerospace rescue aircraft ALS-1 and ALS-2, which can carry a variety of life-saving appliances. Delivery time brooked dbedstvie emergency kit could range from 15 minutes to 1.5 hours, the precision landing - 20-30 m, the mass of the payload - 420 kg and 2,500 kg, depending on the type of ALS. Rescue aircraft SLA-1 is able to deliver up to 90 life rafts or survival kit. Rescue aircraft ALS-2 - can deliver emergency equipment for ships (fire protection module, bilge unit and the diving unit); in another embodiment - remotely piloted aircraft or robot-rescuer. The project went beyond the stage of preliminary study. Status: USSR / Russia - 1991 - planned by the Decision on the development of a set release date ICBMs "Albatross" to the test. Source: kazydub GI Seven Commander of the Strategic Missile Forces without retouching and makeup. (Source). Karpenko AV Missile systems "Albatross" with intercontinental ballistic missile. 2015 Called to time. From confrontation to international cooperation. SDO "Yuzhnoye", 2003

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:29 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    15P170 Albatross


    15P170 Albatross

    Thx for interesting finding, so maybe also Ajax project will be revived?
    I find this video quite interesting


    and this one



    BTW This shows that Gorbachev and co shall be executed in painful way
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:31 pm

    George1 wrote:
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    what are these? a kind of furniture? lol!

    New fashion with home delivery to oval cabinet Smile
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:32 pm

    Viktor wrote:

    Ajax?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:27 pm

    The "4202": a secret hypersonic

    In mid-summer of this year, with a light hand American journalists the foreign press began to discuss promising Russian project hypersonic aircraft. Foreign journalists managed to find out that this development is designated as "4202" and U-71, and also set some alleged facts about the project. Nevertheless, the bulk of information about the Russian project secret, which is why the discussion of small facts gradually transferred to the statement of assumptions and estimates, as well as a real gamble. It should be noted, the project "4202" really exists and work on it being at least since the beginning of the decade. However, despite the great interest from the public, the basic information about this development still remain classified. However, some anecdotal evidence of promising projects have already been announced in a variety of public sources. They do not allow a complete picture, but provide an opportunity to get an overview of the latest project. The first known mention of the topic "4202" refers to the report on the activities of the corporation "NPO Machine Building" in 2009. The document mentioned certain works, which are commissioned by corporations performed Khrunichev. Khrunichev. This project was mentioned in the context of the trial: NGO Engineering en Organization owed ​​over half a million rubles. The report stated that as of 1 January 2010, the Court issued a decision on partial satisfaction of the claim Khrunichev. Khrunichev, but details of the project for obvious reasons, were absent.



    The newspaper "Tribuna MIC" (corporate edition of Machine-Building NPO) in the 13th issue for the year 2010 mentioned in passing a promising project. In the article "First class low zones" mentioned that the organization of production "complex obvodoobrazuyuschey housing compartment of the frame F1 4202 on" enterprise specialists had to use several innovative solutions for the production of parts of complex shape on CNC milling machines. In the end, all the tasks have been successfully resolved, resulting in the most complicated contour detail of the frame. The next time the project "4202" is mentioned in the article "Shop of non-metals. Today and tomorrow "in the 21 th edition of the newspaper in the same year. Under this item, workshop actively involved in the implementation of promising projects and is engaged in manufacturing non-metallic parts for the compartments F1, F2 and F3 of the new products, provided related businesses. Naturally, no details of the product are not mentioned. Later, there were information about another related organizations involved in the project. For example, in 2011-12 the Orenburg department "Arrow" is ready to participate in the project "4202", held some modernization of production facilities. According to reports, after the reconstruction of its workshops organization would take part in the mass production of promising products. We can assume that at the same time modernizing passed and production capacity the parent company of the project - NPO Machine Building. In the 47th edition of the newspaper "Tribuna MIC" for the year 2012 it was published New Year's greetings Director General and Chief Designer of NPO Machine Building Alexander Leonov. In his address to colleagues Manager noted that Russian President defined the tasks for the near future of a promising theme "4202". As before, the representative of the company dispensed with the unnecessary details that can not be published in the press. Confirmed data of the shape of the product "4202" or the U-71 as it is called in some sources, are not yet available. While we can only try to guess what it looks like hypersonic aircraft produced by Russian industry. Some suggestions in this regard can be made ​​on the basis of data on hypersonic other programs, including overseas. The version of a relatively complex external contours of the device to some extent confirmed by the old section of the newspaper "Tribuna MIC." It is known that the composition of a new product is present, at least three separate compartments with different equipment. In addition, there is reason to believe that the design of the apparatus used both metallic and non-metallic aggregates. For obvious reasons, specific materials remain unknown. For information about using the product "4202" as a promising warheads for intercontinental ballistic missiles suggests that it has the possibility of a combat unit, and is equipped with a guidance system, and by some governments. All available data The project "4202" suggests that a promising product reached a hypersonic test no earlier than 2010-12. However, there are other suggestions. For example, in February 2004, the landfill was carried Baikonur launch an ICBM-type UR-100N UTTKh for educational purpose on the Kura testing range. Soon, the deputy chief of the General Staff of the first Yury Baluyevsky said that in the course of this exercise have been tested some of the spacecraft, which is able to fly at hypersonic speed and maneuver the course and altitude. Thus, it can be assumed that the launch in 2004 had any relevance to the present topic "4202". At the end of 2011, news agency "Interfax" referring to a senior source in the General Staff reported that in 2010, the Strategic Missile Forces conducted the first a successful test launch of missiles with advanced combat equipment. At the same time it was reported that December 27 is scheduled test launch UR-100N UTTKh carrying new combat equipment with the possibility of overcoming existing and future missile defense systems. Which warheads tested in 2010 and 2011, was not specified. According to unconfirmed reports, two more test launches ICBM UR-100N UTTKh with advanced combat equipment were held in 2013 and 2014. The Russian Ministry of Defense and defense industry can not comment on this information. Thus, the attention of foreign sources of missile launches with two products, "4202" on the board may not be accurate. The reason for the mass of discussions this summer became the information about tests of a hypersonic vehicle "4202" at the end of February. According to some foreign publications and specialized portals on February 26 held a regular test launch of the product "4202", which has once again become a carrier rocket UR-100N UTTKh. As before, the military did not deny or confirm the version of the tests hypersonic technology. If the available fragmentary information are true, now supports prototype products "4202" / U-71 ballistic missiles are the UR-100N UTTKh. However, these missiles can hardly be regarded as a promising carrier combat equipment used in combat duty. Products of this type have long been removed from production and phased out. Thus, the carrier of the new warheads could be one of the most promising IDB, currently under development. Analytical Center of Jane's Information Group believes that the most likely carrier of combat units such as "4202" is promising missile RS-28, "Sarmat". Also, it has been suggested on the composition of combat equipment such missiles. Known information about the two projects suggest that the missile "Sarmat" can carry up to three products, "4202". The existing information deficit now can confidently speak only about the existence of the "4202" and that the Russian specialists managed to achieve certain successes, making it at least to the stage of the construction of prototypes of advanced equipment. Other details are yet sketchy or not available at all the press, professionals and the general public. According to various estimates, the use of hypersonic aircraft as warheads for ICBMs will significantly increase the impact potential of the Strategic Missile Forces. Due to the ability to maneuver such delivery systems can effectively break through the existing and future missile defense system. Modern warheads flying to the target on a ballistic trajectory at high speed is quite complex for the purpose of the interception. Hypersonic apparatus capable of changing a flight trajectory, in turn, become more complex target. Moreover, it has the right to existence of the view that the interception of these goals at the moment is simply not possible. If the existing assumptions about the purpose of selling "4202" correspond to reality, in the foreseeable future Russian Strategic Rocket Forces will be able to get a unique weapon that can significantly increase their combat potential. This means that the IDB is already leading to a kind of race with missile defense, will have the additional advantage because of which they will be very difficult to catch up.

    http://topwar.ru/83582-proekt-4202-giperzvukovaya-tayna.html

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:45 pm

    Meh. They orriginaly canceled their scramjet program, purchased into Russia's, then dropped that and then attempting again. All the while Russia and China been working continuously on it for years.
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    Got any proof to back your claim ?
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:53 pm

    max steel wrote:Got any proof to back your claim ?

    Wiki may not be best source but kinda works: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet_programs

    Look up under Russia. Talks about the program in 1992 - 1998 and test via SA-5

    http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/tsiam/holod/holod.htm
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:13 pm

    max steel wrote:Got any proof to back your claim ?

    It's pretty well know that after the collapse of the USSR, U.S. aerospace industry's went to Russia, you had Lockheed Martin buy the patent for the VTOL thrust nozzle technology created by Yakolev (as seen on the Yak-141/41, and on the F-35B II Lightning), and you also had NASA cooperate directly with Russian aerospace apparatuses on aerospace related hypersonic research.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:13 pm

    One of Britain’s most promising space plane technology companies has just secured investment for what may mark a turning point for the future of air transportation: a non-expendable unmanned hypersonic aircraft capable of operating in space at 25 times the speed of sound.

    Reaction Engines announced Monday it will partner with defense multinational BAE Systems in a “working collaboration” to develop its supersonic plane Sabre. BAE purchased 20% of Reaction Engines, providing the strategic investment necessary to accelerate the project, a kind of jet-rocket engine hybrid.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151103/1029507281/Hypersonic-Space-Plane-Revolutionize-Move-Cosmos.html#ixzz3qQwUPiAu




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    Moscow Slams Washington Over Development of 'Prompt Global Strike' System

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    US Prompt Global Strike Concept Unviable

    The US concept of a Prompt Global Strike (PGS) envisioning a system capable of destroying the nuclear capability of another country is not realistic, a Russian missile designer responsible the Bulava ballistic missile said Wednesday.

    The US military is developing a hypersonic missile intended to deliver an airstrike anywhere on the globe within an hour, and potentially be used in a nuclear conflict.

    The US philosophy of a global strike is obviously foolish because it aims at dealing irreparable damage within such a huge time span, " Yuri Solomonov, chief designer at the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology (MIIT), told RIA Novosti.

    Solomonov, who designed Russia’s submarine-launched Bulava ballistic missile and Topol-M ballistic missile, said some defense systems could target a missile in flight within five to 10 minutes after its launch.

    "This would mean war, a system like this must not be used," he added, saying the US government was pouring funds into the PGS program.
    The US military has reportedly been testing a PGS prototype for several years. Russia views PGS attack weapons as capable of delivering a disarming strike to its strategic infrastructure.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:01 pm

    One thing I never understood is the concept of this system. To me, it sounds like a cruise missile inside a ballistic missile, and is none nuclear. This is something even Russia could build quite easily. So why is it a major threat? It really doesn't make much sense to me. So if someone can shed some light on this for me, I would be grateful.
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    Post  max steel on Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:07 pm

    sepheronx wrote:One thing I never understood is the concept of this system.  To me, it sounds like a cruise missile inside a ballistic missile, and is none nuclear.  This is something even Russia could build quite easily.  So why is it a major threat?  It really doesn't make much sense to me.  So if someone can shed some light on this for me, I would be grateful.


    Not a cruise missile but rather a glider and it can carry nuclear payload too. russia has been working on it since 80s but they have failed till date with their Project 4202.
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    Still odd of a system. A glider nakes less sense to me than using cruise missiles.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:39 am

    The fundamental problem is that with their network of satellites and electronic listening stations around the world they can see better than they can reach.

    What this system is all about is being able to murder people within an hour of finding their location.

    It needs to be conventional rather than nuclear because they want to be able to actually use it...

    Whistle blowers beware...

    Of course if they ever get even close to the system they want the equivalent Russian and Chinese system will have them scared shitless...

    It is one of those technologies where it is best if the west has it but the end of the world if anyone else had it.

    edit: on a more positive note terrorists might hack the system and use it to kill John McCain and Hilary Clinton... Hahaha.


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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:45 am

    I just don't understand it. Russia currently has maneuverable nuclear warheads which are hypersonic already. None conventional of course, but I just do not see the importance of this system at all. If ever used against a nation with nuclear weapons, that nation would just use its nukes as the initial launch will still be viewed as a nuclear missile launch.

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