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    Russia, France to Jointly Build Armored Vehicle

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:02 pm

    Russia, France to Jointly Build Armored Vehicle

    16:32 29/06/2012
    ZHUKOVSKY, June 29 (RIA Novosti)

    Russia and France will jointly build a new armored infantry vehicle in the next 18 months, the Rosoboronexport arms export monopoly said on Friday.
    Speaking at the Engineering Technologies forum at Zhukovsky near Moscow, Igor Sevastyanov, the company’s deputy chief, said he was heading a working party incorporating new technology from both nations and that a model had been made.

    "We have a project under the aegis of a Russian-French group for land forces, which I head," Sevastyanov said. "Now we are working on development of some vehicles with a French base but with Russian weapons and Russian turrets.”

    “The vehicle should appear in the near future, around 18 months. We have a draft design and a model has been made," he added.

    He said France is also interested in co-production, with Russia, of an armored personnel carrier to be sold to third countries.

    It may also be used by the French or Russian armed forces, he said, adding that the new vehicle would have to meet both Russian and NATO standards.

    Previous media reports have suggested that talks have taken place between Russia and French military vehicle manufacturer, Panhard, on purchasing Panhard vehicles for Russia’s border guard service. The results of the talks have not been disclosed.

    Sevastyanov also said Russia and the United States could cooperate in joint development of arms and military equipment. He did not mention any specific projects, only saying a “joint product” might be around in five to 10 years.

    In addition, he said, all arms contracts previously signed with Egypt will be carried out.

    “Egypt’s Defense Ministry confirmed that all contracts concluded with Russia will be implemented, possibly with some adjustments,” he said.
    “Egypt is an excellent paying client.”

    On Libya, Sevastyanov said the country’s authorities were interested in continuing military-technical cooperation with Russia and unfreeze the contracts that were put on hold after the revolution.

    Last August, Rosoboronexport chief Anatoly Isaikin put Russia’s “foregone profits” from the frozen contracts at $4 billion.

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120629/174304789.html


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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:01 am

    This sounds pretty positive, though I do find it interesting that they want to jointly produce armoured vehicles now with three new vehicle families with 5 different versions are about to be revealed...

    The front and rear engined Armata and the kurganets-25 and Boomerang-25 and 10 should result in a range of vehicle platforms suitable for a range of tasks with vehicles like Vystrel and Tigr-M to fill in the gaps.

    Very good news about the continuation of military sales to Egypt and Libya too.


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    ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:57 pm



    MOSCOW, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Uralvagonzavod and France’s Renault are jointly developing a new infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) with an increased firing range of up to 16 kilometers, the Russian company said Wednesday.
    “We [Uralvagonzavod and Renault Trucks Defense] unveiled today a prototype of a future IFV,” Uralvagonzavod general director Oleg Sienko said at Russian Arms Expo-2013, which opened Wednesday in the Urals city of Nizhny Tagil.
    “The French side provided us with the transmission, the engine, the concept and the fire control system,” he said.
    According to Sienko, the new IFV will be highly competitive on global markets because it is equipped with a powerful 57-mm gun, instead of the 30-mm variant that is standard for current IFVs.
    “With its maneuverability and fire power, we are certain that this product will be in high demand on the market,” Sienko said, adding that a joint Russian-French venture could be formed to set up localized production of the new IFV in Russia.
    Renault, France’s second-biggest carmaker, has made the Russian market one of its priorities for international development. Russia is already Renault’s fourth-largest automobile market.
    In 2014, the Renault-Nissan Alliance will get a majority stake in a joint venture with the Russian Technologies State Corporation, called Alliance Rostec Auto BV, which will control AvtoVAZ, leader of the Russian car market.

    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20130925/183718541.html


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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:03 pm

    Ugly vehicle. And probably will end up the way of Iveco, not end up in service after a while. No point in this when Boomerang will be about, will be similar, and will be compatible with spare parts from Kurganets and Armata, which will make it significantly more economical.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:55 am

    sepheronx wrote:Ugly vehicle.  And probably will end up the way of Iveco, not end up in service after a while.  No point in this when Boomerang will be about, will be similar, and will be compatible with spare parts from Kurganets and Armata, which will make it significantly more economical.
    Don't be daft sepheronx, I think everyone is pretty much in agreement that this is a vehicle made for export. It's even hinted at in this very article if you read it carefully.

    There was even a post over at Gurkhan's mentioning what must be this vehicle a few months back.
    When Rogozin visited France there were a bunch of agreements over joint-production and weapon sales.
    One of the things mentioned was a French APC with a Russian turret; made as a joint-venture for export and with a customer currently in negotiations.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:25 am

    Yeah, well tell that to regular than when I mentioned the same thing in the other thread. Dont see how I state obvious is daft unless you dont know the word.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Russian Patriot on Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:33 am

    Easy gentlemen FlammingPython and Sepheronx , we don't need a pissing member war over French equipment


    That being said, I think both of you have valid points. Something tells me the customer may be a former French North African colony- maybe Algeria , maybe Mali.

    but other than that it mostly likely will not get implemented at home- Shogui is not dumb.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  TR1 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:40 am

    Yeah its obviously not mean for Russia.

    However a modern Russian 57mm turret is very interesting indeed, especially with sub-caliber rounds.

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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  a89 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:06 am

    However a modern Russian 57mm turret is very interesting indeed, especially with sub-caliber rounds.


    I was hoping to see this caliber in BMPT.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  TR1 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:16 pm

    a89 wrote:
    However a modern Russian 57mm turret is very interesting indeed, especially with sub-caliber rounds.
    I was hoping to see this caliber in BMPT.
    Same, I think it makes more sense than 30mm. Plenty of space in hull for 57mm rounds, and the shell is far more potent.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Cpt Caz on Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:24 am

    This photo gives you a pretty good idea of just how big this thing really is:



    It's certainly no BTR. Shocked
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:55 am

    Cpt Caz wrote:This photo gives you a pretty good idea of just how big this thing really is:



    It's certainly no BTR. Shocked

    Sure as hell ain't!! Shocked
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:15 am

    I was hoping to see this caliber in BMPT.



    Same, I think it makes more sense than 30mm. Plenty of space in hull for 57mm rounds, and the shell is far more potent.
    The new 57mm gun for Russia will likely be an IFV weapon for use against 30-40 ton enemy IFVs.

    For a smaller country such a weapon could be used as a substitute for a light tank gun as the APFSDS rounds will likely penetrate most old generation tanks from the sides and possibly even from the front (ie old T-54s or T-34s and Shermans).

    For the BMPT the threat is mostly from infantry and light ground and air targets so it would be harder to justify the enormous 57mm rounds... personally I think the BMPT model shown based on the armata with what appears to be a 23mm 6 barrel gatling, a 40mm automatic grenade launcher and a 120mm rifled gun/mortar would actually be the best all round compromise... even better than the best current anti infantry weapon load out on the BMP-3M. The 23mm gun is actually lighter than the 2A72 30mm cannon and the ammo is more compact so more can be carried. The high rate of fire would make it useful against targets that appear without warning and aerial targets that are close. the 40mm grenade launcher allows the vehicle to engage targets behind heavy frontal cover and out to 2.5km range with automatic fire allowing compensation for the small relative size of the individual grenades.... and of course the 120mm gun/mortar has a wider range of ammo than the 100mm rifled gun of the BMP-3, which only has HE Frag and missile ammo. The 120mm can fire the full range of Russian (and French) 120mm mortar ammo including laser guided rounds, and can also fire 120mm shells including HE Frag and HEAT previously used on the NONA which have a bigger and more effective payload than the 100mm rounds fired by the BMP-3M and a longer effective and maximum range.


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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Cpt Caz on Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:47 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Sure as hell ain't!! Shocked
    On the bright side, with a vehicle so large you definitely don't have to worry about soldiers riding on top. Wink 
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:01 am

    Cpt Caz wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Sure as hell ain't!! Shocked
    On the bright side, with a vehicle so large you definitely don't have to worry about soldiers riding on top. Wink 
    How, the Turret takes up almost all of the flipping space. Rolling Eyes  Suspect 
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:35 am

    http://warspot.ru/ru/articles/1253-oboronekspo-2014-demonstratsiya-noveyshih-dostizheniy-otechestvennogo-opk



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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:42 am

    What vehicle is that? - Is it the French/Russian one? Nevermind, it is that French Russian one....

    Anyway, thanks for that great link P.I.!
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:12 am

    Mike E wrote:What vehicle is that? - Is it the French/Russian one? Nevermind, it is that French Russian one....

    Anyway, thanks for that great link P.I.!

    Yes it's the ATOM IFV, and due to sanctions it will be completely domestically built on the Russian side, with UVZ willingness to produce the vehicle is an indication that they see potential in it:

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/08/blog-post_14.html

    Though I think some changes should be involved, such as changing the engine, gears and parts to be similar in spares/parts commonality to that of the Boomerang wheeled platform. Some people where complaining that the ATOM IFV sits to high giving it a larger profile, and while it's true it also has superior mine protection due to the higher profile, and APS (Active Protection System) plus PPS (Passive Protection System) should be able to make up for the higher profile. Personally I think ATOM IFV does have a place in Russia with some modifications to make the internal running parts to have commonality with the Boomerang platform, the MVD (The Ministry of Internal Affairs) could make good use of it in Dagestan.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:21 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:What vehicle is that? - Is it the French/Russian one? Nevermind, it is that French Russian one....

    Anyway, thanks for that great link P.I.!

    Yes it's the ATOM IFV, and due to sanctions it will be completely domestically built on the Russian side, with UVZ willingness to produce the vehicle is an indication that they see potential in it:

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/08/blog-post_14.html

    Though I think some changes should be involved, such as changing the engine, gears and parts to be similar in spares/parts commonality to that of the Boomerang wheeled platform. Some people where complaining that the ATOM IFV sits to high giving it a larger profile, and while it's true it also has superior mine protection due to the higher profile, and APS (Active Protection System) plus PPS (Passive Protection System) should be able to make up for the higher profile. Personally I think ATOM IFV does have a place in Russia with some modifications to make the internal running parts to have commonality with the Boomerang platform, the MVD (The Ministry of Internal Affairs) could make good use of it in Dagestan.

    That is great to hear! I think most people were bummed that it was half French, but now that it will be indigenous it has potential. Even more so if it shares the Boomerang platform, or at least one related to it.

    I completely agree... The more commonality the better, as long as the parts themselves are good, and I know they won't!

    That is my only gripe about, the higher stance. However, as you said, protection systems should make up for it.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:26 am

    I didn't even know a new APC system was being worked on... Embarassed

    Hopefully it will be properly utilized, because I feel like Arena wasn't utilized at all.

    This new system, plus Armata's new armor, plus the "relict" ERA are going to make a heck of a combo! - This is somewhat unrelated, but do any of you know if the EMT-7 system or similar are going to be on future vehicles? It seems like a good asset, but I haven't found much on it...

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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Asf on Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:36 am

     Personally I think ATOM IFV does have a place in Russia

    With Boomerang platform - I think no.
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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:51 am

    It is good to not have all your eggs in one basket, and the ATOM is "another basket"... - Yes, I know that saying is overused.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:37 am

    ATOM is a single vehicle... Boomerang is a family of vehicle types.

    I rather suspect ATOM might compliment BTR-80s in the export market where the ATOM will be the top of the line vehicle while BTR-80s and BTR-82s will be the budget models.


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    Re: ATOM Infantry Fighting Vehicle

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:01 am

    The Atom's turret looks nice and small, the 57 mm gun looks huge in comparison...

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