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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:18 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:What kind of countermeasures in Scandinavia r going to stop Russian AShMs fired from land, sea &/ air? Finland isn't going to do much for the US unless she wants to become another target.

    what counter-measures? scratch scratch scratch And why?

    they physically wont be able to get even close to Russian territories.
    Finland, Sweden has no access to Arctic , neither Denmark does (Greenland is danish colony not "metropolis").



    TS wrote: New Russian B/CMs can avoid the Arctic all together. SS/GNs escorting SSBNs in the Arctic can sink those ships too.
    IMO, they want to sail there to spy & prevent Russia & China from  exploiting resources/NSR/high Arctic all by themselves.  
    It's all part of economic war against both.

    US rear-admirals can say any hoggo-foggo but if US navy tries to enter Russian territorial waters we have WW3. Simply any CSG is going to be a fraternal-bed-of-honor in 20mins.

    Otherwise US wont be let even close. No Russian Arctic nobody enters unless allowed by Russia. vide China or India)
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:22 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia's extended shelf claims outside of the EEZ r suspected to have a lot of resources & in any case those planning to navigate there will also need Russia's permission.

    that must hurt a "exceptional" pirates, but life-is-life lol1 lol1 lol1 it is soo esy to set sanctions on US or British companies there
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:29 pm

    kvs wrote:The reason NATO is making so much noise about the Arctic is that Uncle Scumbag has plans to deploy his ship based ABM systems
     

    me thinks not only. So many deposits without owner? I mean without US/UK ownership.Smed s with SIberi - it mus go under international control lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  Hole on Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:51 pm

    The russian claims (backed by scientific research) will extend the EEZ.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:38 am

    Hole wrote:The russian claims (backed by scientific research) will extend the EEZ.

    Russian military only help to secure extension so no stupid things like UK presence will be even seriously considered russia russia russia
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:21 pm

    Update on US strategy in the Arctic:
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2583549.html

    http://sudostroenie.info/novosti/20583.html
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:55 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Update on US strategy in the Arctic:
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2583549.html

    http://sudostroenie.info/novosti/20583.html

    Yeah, sure. Russia's coastal waters "don't belong to anyone".

    Time for Russia to start setting precedents. Military ships engaged in force projection are not merely engaged in innocent passage.
    So they have no right to enter Russian territorial waters. Russia must also claim 30+ nautical miles of territorial waters. The US
    routinely declares itself the right to extend its maritime territory.

    It is important to recall that the only reason that merchant ships can traverse the Arctic Ocean is because Russia is providing
    support in the form of ice breakers and search and rescue services. In addition, "belongs to nobody" clearly does not apply
    to Russia's EEZ.

    So Washington and its minions can sod off.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:13 am

    Russia's coastal waters "don't belong to anyone".
    What he means is the area beyond the 12 mile coastal waters & the 200 mile undisputed EEZ; but huge areas r disputed. Btw, the US didn't ratify UNCLOS & isn't a party to it; it sees itself as the special nation above the law.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:44 am

    Borisov said that Russia "will not lose her" in the Arctic

    Russia will not cede its influence in the Arctic, since this region is in the zone of interests of Moscow. The corresponding statement was made by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov.

    “This territory is the sphere of interests of Russia. We will not miss ours and will not give up, ”said Borisov in the program“ Moscow. Kremlin. Putin. "

    Earlier, the commander of the US Navy in Europe and Africa, Admiral James Foggo, frankly stated that the United States would apply all possible forces and resources to prevent the leadership of the Russian Federation in the Arctic region. According to him, Moscow is allegedly expanding its military presence in the Arctic, and in this regard, Washington does not exclude the possibility of a Russian-American conflict in the future.

    The Russian side, in turn, rejected the allegations of increasing its military presence in other regions and of any other actions aimed at violating the international order.

    In late February, the head of the Ministry of Natural Resources, Dmitry Kobylkin, said that Russia has every chance to expand the zone of the Arctic shelf zone in the Arctic Ocean.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201903031757-allp.htm


    now lest look @ Williamson's face = priceless! lol1 lol1 lol1


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    What he means is the area beyond the 12 mile coastal waters & the 200 mile undisputed EEZ; but huge areas r disputed. Btw, the US didn't ratify UNCLOS & isn't a party to it; it sees itself as the special nation above the law.

    so now US warmongers will wake up in brand new world russia russia russia

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    Engineers in the Chelyabinsk region have developed a data center for arctic conditions


    Scientists noted that the "Arctic data center" can be used in the petrochemical and gas industry, mechanical engineering
    CHELYABINSK, February 28. / Corr. TASS Alexander Chirkov. Engineers of the All-Russian Research Institute of Technical Physics named after Academician Zababakhin in Snezhinsk, Chelyabinsk Region, have developed a data processing center (DPC) that will allow forecasting changes in climate and the world’s ocean and solving technical problems in arctic conditions. Much of the engineering and computing equipment developed by the data center is produced in Russia, TASS reported on Thursday at the Research Institute.

    "The Russian Federal Nuclear Center has developed unique technical solutions that allow creating a data center of a complete architecture for regions of the country with relatively low air temperatures. Such a data center is able to work in arctic conditions. Our original engineering solutions effectively use low outdoor temperatures and allow using natural heat transfer processes for assimilation of heat surpluses of the main equipment of the data center without the use of vapor compression refrigeration machines, or not nachitelnogo their use under extreme loads and high ambient temperatures, "- a spokesman said.

    The Research Institute added that the "Arctic data center" can be used in industries such as the petrochemical and gas industry, engineering. It is suitable for solving problems of aerohydrothermodynamics, complex processes in the atmosphere and hydrosphere, the study of climate change in the Arctic region, for operational high-resolution forecasting of the state of the World Ocean, the study of the Earth's inner core, etc.

    "A significant component of the engineering and computing equipment for the" Arctic data center "is the equipment of domestic production," said the institute.

    The Russian Federal Nuclear Center - All-Russian Research Institute named after Academician E. I. Zababakhin is one of two world-class nuclear weapons centers operating in Russia.

    https://tass.ru/nauka/6169007



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    Post  medo on Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:48 am

    https://vpk.name/news/258835_arkticheskie_aerodromyi_smogut_prinimat_raketonoscyi_v_lyubuyu_pogodu.html

    В ближайшее время многие российские аэродромы в Арктике станут всесезонными. Они будут в состоянии принимать самолеты всех типов, в том числе и ракетоносцы.

    Об этом рассказал начальник морской авиации ВМФ РФ генерал-майор Игорь Кожин газете "Красная звезда". Как заметил Герой России, это актуально именно сегодня, потому что активно расширяется иностранное военное присутствие в Арктике, наращиваются его масштабы и активизируется разведывательная и учебно-боевая деятельность НАТО.

    Поэтому морская авиация ВМФ России не только увеличила группировку в Арктике, она отрабатывает тактические приемы. Успешно действует как на открытых водных пространствах, так и подо льдом. Все делается для того, чтобы летчик, находясь в воздухе, имел возможность полностью владеть ситуацией.

    Что касается самих аэродромов, то продолжается развитие их инфраструктуры и реконструкция на островах архипелагов Новая Земля, Новосибирские острова и Земля Франца-Иосифа. Последний - самый северный аэродром России.

    - Мы отработали практически все аэродромы, находящиеся в арктической зоне, совершаем полеты туда и обратно. Подготовили везде авиационные комендатуры. Стоит отметить, что в ближайшие годы большинство российских аэродромов в Арктике смогут принимать самолеты всех типов и во все сезоны, - отметил генерал-майор Игорь Кожин.

    In the near future, many Russian airfields in the Arctic will become all-season. They will be able to receive all types of aircraft, including missile carriers.

    This was told by the head of the naval aviation of the Russian Navy, Major General Igor Kozhin, to the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper. As the Hero of Russia noted, this is relevant today, because the foreign military presence in the Arctic is actively expanding, its scale is increasing, and NATO reconnaissance and combat training activities are becoming more active.

    Therefore, naval aviation of the Russian Navy has not only increased its grouping in the Arctic, it is working out tactical techniques. Successfully acts both on open water spaces, and under ice. Everything is done to ensure that the pilot, being in the air, had the opportunity to fully control the situation.

    As for the airfields themselves, the development of their infrastructure and reconstruction on the islands of the Novaya Zemlya archipelagoes, the Novosibirsk islands and Franz Josef Land continues. The latter is the most northern airfield of Russia.

    - We have worked almost all the airfields located in the Arctic zone, fly back and forth. Prepared everywhere aviation commandant's offices. It is worth noting that in the coming years, the majority of Russian airfields in the Arctic will be able to receive aircraft of all types and in all seasons, - said Major General Igor Kozhin.

    Russian NAVY will soon received rebuilded Arctic air bases on Arctic islands, which will be whole year operational. They are becoming more and more important, because of increased NATO activities in region. MiG-31BM is high speed, high altitude interceptor, so NAVY will need deeply modernized Su-33 for other tasks to do from those islands, like over the sea patrols, intercepting and ID of intruding planes and ships, supporting of arctic brigades operating there, etc.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:49 am

    Russia Claims Total Military Superiority in the Arctic

    Turkey has the Bosporus, Egypt has the Suez Canal, Panama has its Canal, Nicaragua & Thailand may get theirs, with tolls charged in all of them, & Russia has the NSR. Fair & square!
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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:02 pm

    Russia’s 45 scientists to study Arctic seas on board Mikhail Somov research vessel


    The scientists will conduct complex studies of the Russian Arctic’s seas

    ARKHANGELSK, March 22. /TASS/. About 45 experts on board the Mikhail Somov vessel will study conditions of the Arctic seas and will analyze climate changes in the Arctic at the second stage of the Trans Arctic 2019 expedition between May 15 and June 10, Head of the Northern Hydrometeorology and Environment Department Roman Yershov told TASS.

    One of the tasks under the Science National Project is to build up steadily the number of sea expeditions to 250 by 2024. The Trans Arctic expedition will have four stages. It will finish in autumn, 2019. The scientists will conduct complex studies of the Russian Arctic’s seas. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev inked an order to allocate almost 870 million rubles ($13 million) for the studies.

    "The expedition on board the Mikhail Somov will feature 45 scientists and 40 crew members," the expert said. "The expedition is organized jointly by the Department, the Arctic and Antarctic Studies Institute, the Northern Arctic Federal University, the Typhoon Scientific and Production Association (in Obninsk), the Marine Heritage Association, the Central Aerology Observatory, the Severtsov Institute of Ecology and Evolution Studies, the Laverov Federal Research Center for the Arctic Complex Studies, and others."

    The main task is to monitor the marine and coastal ecosystems in the changing climate and to receive up-to-date information on the marine ecosystem’s conditions. The ship will depart from Arkhangelsk, to take the expedition to the White, Barents and Kara Seas.

    "The Mikhail Somov is ready for the set tasks, all necessary conditions are offered onboard: there will be labs and necessary equipment," he said, adding "the crew, of course, is ready."

    According to objectives of the Science National Project, by 2024 Russia should be among five leading countries in scientific research and works. The country should offer attractive conditions for work in Russia both for foreign experts and for young promising researchers. The country will build up financing for scientific research.


    More:
    http://tass.com/economy/1050039
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:16 pm

    pity is not final decision but still a good beginning russia russia russia


    UN Sub-Commission recognized part of the Arctic as a continuation of Russia

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201904031221-ljb8.htm
    https://www.interfax.ru/world/656886



    The UN Sub-Commission recognized the geological affiliation of part of the Arctic to the continuation of the continental shelf of Russia. This was stated by the head of Rosnedra Yevgeny Kiselev.

    According to Interfax, at sessions of the UN Subcommittee, materials were prepared as part of the work carried out by Rosnedra and the Ministry of Environment, which will make it possible at the 49th session of the subcommission to make "an important decision for Russia."

    “The sub-commission declared the geological affiliation of the territories, which we include in the extended borders of the continental shelf, to the structures of the continuation of the shelf and the continent of the Russian Federation. This is the most important statement, which to some extent determines the success of our application, ”Kiselev said.

    In 2015, Russia submitted an application to the UN to expand the boundaries of the continental shelf in the Arctic, which will increase its area by 1.2 million km.

    According to him, there were technical issues related to the substantiation of morphology on specific elements of the Russian application. Kiselelev added that within the next 2-3 sessions these issues will be resolved. ■
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:07 am

    https://iz.ru/838095/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko/polchasa-do-poliusa-skorostnye-istrebiteli-vziali-arktiku-pod-kontrol

    Now it should be called "Arctic Fox"!
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:40 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Construction of platform "North Pole" started

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/115409/

    Scientific platform, moves into position and stays there while water freezes around it. Operates independently for 2 years.

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    I spoke too soon back then (or translator fudged up, can't remember) but now it's officially laid down:

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/118958/


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:15 am

    Interesting idea.

    In the computer game STALKER there are concrete structures designed for science labs that are carried by helo and dropped at locations with fences built around them and crates with supplies left nearby to support scientific operations.

    I also remember seeing barge like structures of similar purpose to this ship that is sent to various locations and left to operate for long periods in inhospitable places that acts as a base of operations and to contain equipment and vehicles and personel that can be used for the survey/operation.

    Looks rather cool to me and should make longer term ops more comfortable and more efficient and self sufficient.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:17 am

    Below the water line they could have equipment for divers and underwater vehicles for experiments beneath the ice as well as surface transport that could be lowered and recovered by those big cranes, and of course airborne UAVs and balloons for testing the air and sample collection etc etc
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    Post  Austin on Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:06 am

    Putin says Arctic has 13 Billion Tons of Oil and 95 Trillion Cubic Meters of Natural Gas , Look at the reaction of Swedish PM sitting besides him when Putin quotes this figures

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:17 pm

    Austin wrote:Putin says Arctic has 13 Billion Tons of Oil and 95 Trillion Cubic Meters of Natural Gas , Look at the reaction of Swedish PM sitting besides him when Putin quotes this figures

    It's the Finnish PM
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:09 am

    Arctic - to cooperate or confront?

    NATO is the North Atlantic, not Arctic, Treaty Organisation; they should & better respect Russia's concerns for their own good!
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:11 am

    NATO is a military organisation created to confront the Soviet Union and now confronting Russia.... regarding the northern sea route it is through Russian territorial waters and NATO is not really in any position to do anything about it...

    Much like Russia when it came to Serbia and Kosovo and the US when it came to South Ossetia and Abkhazia and Georgia.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:02 am

    GarryB wrote:..regarding the northern sea route it is through Russian territorial waters and NATO is not really in any position to do anything about it...
    Part of it is in the international waters, but as the article said, Russia claims it as a historical route, + they claim a big continental shelf area the UN is set to approve, so it'll be within their EEZ.

    When Moscow should wait for provocations from Washington on the Northern Sea Route
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed May 01, 2019 2:44 am

    Arctic - to cooperate or confront?
    The region is gradually turning into an arena of collision of geopolitical interests of different countries of the world.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 01, 2019 7:53 am

    America does not recognise any EEZ except their own... it does not matter if part of the north sea route is in international waters or not... a direct flight across the continent of the United States of America is partly in international air space... at the start and at the end... do you think anyone trying to fly over the US could do so without a reaction?
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Wed May 01, 2019 12:55 pm

    Arctic - to cooperate or confront?
    The region is gradually turning into an arena of collision of geopolitical interests of different countries of the world.

    The US will employ submarines in the Arctic. I like this idea. Better than surface ships that need to rely on icebreakers and have a limited range.

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