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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:37 pm

    Always found it curious China never purchased the S-300V.
    A system truly massively ahead of its time.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:28 am

    TR1 wrote:Always found it curious China never purchased the S-300V.
    A system truly massively ahead of its time.

    Maybe we didn't want to sell them ABM technology? They try to impress the world shooting down transmitting LEO sats but can they hit real ballistic missiles?


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    Post  Hachimoto on Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:09 am

    Is there any approximation of the S-400 export price?
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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:19 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:Is there any approximation of the S-400 export price?

    Approximately US$ 200 million for a division .

    9M96 - US$850K - US$ 900K
    48N6DM - US$ 2.5 mill - US$ 3 mill ( but this missile will not be exported as it's range is above MTCR stipulation )
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    Is there any approximation of the S-400 export price?

    Post  Viktor on Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:38 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Hachimoto wrote:Is there any approximation of the S-400 export price?

    Approximately US$ 200 million for a division .

    9M96 - US$850K - US$ 900K
    48N6DM - US$ 2.5 mill - US$ 3 mill ( but this missile will not be exported as it's range is above MTCR stipulation )

    Nope.

    S-300V4 division 800-950 million $ (But Army S-300V division is equivalent of PVO S-300P regiment)

    Army S-300V battery unit is a non existent unit and within Russian Army can be found only as a regimental set/(Russian Army calls it

    divisional) consisting of 3 or 4 batteries.

    S-400 division/battery is 400 million $.

    S-300PMU2 division/battery is about 200-250 million $.

    S-300PMU/1 about 150 million $.

    But such prices are only a start. You need to invest a lot more money in other stuff too.
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    Post  Sujoy on Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:54 pm

    Viktor wrote:

    S-300V4 division 800-950 million $ (But Army S-300V division is equivalent of PVO S-300P regiment)

    Army S-300V battery unit is a non existent unit and within Russian Army can be found only as a regimental set/(Russian Army calls it

    divisional) consisting of 3 or 4 batteries.

    S-400 division/battery is 400 million $.

    S-300PMU2 division/battery is about 200-250 million $.

    S-300PMU/1 about 150 million $.

    Are you sure these are export prices ? Export divisions will be highly downgraded & long range missiles will NOT be included. Missiles account for the maximum cost for any SAM system . The longer the range of the missile the more it's cost . Details of SAMs sold ( including cost ) by Russia from 2006 - 2013 are reflected in the pic below :




    Your prices are correct but these appear as procurement prices in Russia as opposed to export prices . The S 400 price that you have pegged at $400 million is in all likelihood per 8 launchers ,112 missiles, command and support vehicles (and includes the 40N6 missile which will be missing from the export package ).

    Even PRAVDA puts the price for 1 division at $200 million

    Despite the fact that in creation of comparable SAMs many new technologies were used, it is absolutely clear that the S-400 was the winner. There is no doubt that at the moment, this system is the best ground-based air defense system in the world. This complex has bright future and great potential due to a combination of excellent performance characteristics and relatively low cost - about $200 million for a division .

    http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/05-03-2013/123967-s_400_meads-0/
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:33 am

    Sujoy wrote:Are you sure these are export prices ?

    Who can be sure at anything Very Happy

    We are here discussing military secrets after all Very Happy

    Sujoy wrote: Export divisions will be highly downgraded & long range missiles will NOT be included. Missiles account for the maximum cost for any SAM system . The longer the range of the missile the more it's cost .

    I agree, but you must take in the consideration that export arms tend to cost more money than domestic one. There is one more thing.

    Basic S-300Pxx battery consists of shooting radar and up to 8 TEL. And that cost x amount of money.

    As in aviation where its price can be altered with different options and different equipment much more of the same can be said about air-

    defense, especially Russian one. So lets get back to S-300Pxx. Options may include:

    - 20 and 40 m mast perhaps with shooting radar on it
    - crocodile radar for low altitude detection (one or more depending of the threat assessment)
    - all altitude radar like 96L6 per battery making it more independent
    - wireless and cable communication equipment
    - infrastructural works
    - extra missiles
    - pneumatic decoy
    - other protective equipment like Gazetchik
    - camouflage nets
    - other protective equipment like radar decoys and others

    And all those options are nothing compared to the complexity, size and cost of those options for higher air defense echelon.

    So I think that:

    1. Export equipment does not necessarily mean cheaper but just the contrary (its a high tech high value added product)
    2. Its price may vary highly depending on the equipment that goes with it and its amount.
    3. Missiles do not make most of the price of the air defense systems

    So If you look at your link.

    1. Algeria: deal for 8 divisions (Im sure 2 divisions are fielded but doubt any more - so we dont know the price)
    2. Belarus/Kazahstan: fall under Russian protective integrated air-defense shield and are therefore not relevant for the sake of argument
    3. China: definitely falls under your price range and even much less according to what I have seen but still we have no relevant data
    4. Iran: Five S-300PMU1 divisions for total cost of 800 million $ making each division cost 160 million $
    5. Libya: Two S-300PMU2 division for total cost of 500 million $ making each division cost 250 million $
    6. Vietnam: Two S-300PMU1 division for total cost of 300 million $ making each division cost 150 million $
    7. Croatia: Well it was war and all but still one S-300PMU division for total cost of 200 million $



    Sujoy wrote:Your prices are correct but these appear as procurement prices in Russia as opposed to export prices . The S 400 price that you have pegged at $400 million is in all likelihood per 8 launchers ,112 missiles, command and support vehicles (and includes the 40N6 missile which will be missing from the export package ).

    Even PRAVDA puts the price for 1 division at $200 million

    PRAVDA is not some sorce, we might wait for a better one. But I dont think we will see anything close to even 300 million $ when

    talking about S-400.

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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:39 am

    There is also a political aspect to many of the deals... a deal for Vietnam IMHO would be on good terms because they are a good customer and a friend. A purchase for another country will be on different terms.

    Also keep in mind that there is a lot of support equipment and of course spares that will be included in some contracts, though not needed in others.

    A brand new system will need integration into the command structure and communications network. An add on system might include upgrades of previously bought systems.

    One country might buy a huge number of missiles so they are ready for conflict, another country might only buy missiles as they need them.

    Generally exported material gives the Russian maker a higher profit margin than a domestic purchase...


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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  Sujoy on Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:13 am

    Approximate cost of S -400

    http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/whats-it-cost/
    What’s It Cost?

    A reader recently asked:

    What’s the cost of one division of the S-400 for Russia and for foreign customers?

    Let’s call it a battalion (дивизион). We’ll start with exports (for which there is actually data). And we proceed from what was paid for the S-300.

    Russia’s planned sale of the S-300PMU1 to Iran reportedly involved the transfer of five “battalion sets” for $800 million. Some sources said as much as $1-1.2 billion.

    Let’s guess the “battalion set” has three firing batteries, with two launchers per, for a total of 30 TELs, 120+ missiles, and all associated radars, fire control systems, and vehicles.

    If $800 million is accurate, the price for one battalion was $160 million. The price for one S-400 system, four missiles on a TEL, was roughly $27 million.

    This isn’t unlike what the Chinese paid for the S-300 in the 1990s and 2000s. According to Sinodefence.com, they bought battalions for between $25 and $60 million at different times under different contracts.

    That done, we make the leap from the S-300 price to the S-400 price.

    A couple years ago, Vedomosti drew the scarcely precise conclusion that the price of the S-400 will double the S-300′s price (and the S-500 double the S-400′s).

    So perhaps a “battalion set” or a battalion of the S-400 will go for $320 million. That would be one full-up launch vehicle for $40-50 million.

    The only other shred of information is the widely-reported Financial Times story saying, if the Russians added the S-400 to a $2 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia, the price of the sale would climb to $7 billion. But lots of Russian reports say Moscow won’t be selling the S-400 abroad soon. The military obviously hopes that’s true, so it can get first.

    But not every customer is Iranian, not every one will have to pay a premium price, and not every customer is foreign.

    Which brings the trickier question of what Russia’s Defense Ministry has to pay. It’s simply impossible to guess.

    Certainly a lot less than buyers abroad. The military’s bought some S-400 systems so there is a going price. OAO Concern PVO Almaz-Antey’s costs are a big question as is the level of profit the government is willing to tolerate.

    The government owns Almaz-Antey, so one part of government is selling to another. It’s a prime example of angst over GOZ ”price formation” in recent years. There was a similar big-ticket dustup over submarine prices with Sevmash. It’s something of a Mexican standoff. The buyer doesn’t have other supplier alternatives. And the seller may not be allowed to sell elsewhere.

    The Defense Ministry, the government don’t want to pay a lot and have the power to refuse and yet still receive goods. The question is how many. That’s ECON 101, friends.

    If those buyers set their price below equilibrium, Almaz-Antey will provide a lower than desired quantity more slowly than the buyers want. And Almaz might have other buyers as an option, an advantage Sevmash lacks. So “price formation” for the S-400 is all about agreement on Almaz’s costs and an acceptable level of profit. That agreement is apparently not smoothly worked out yet.
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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:59 pm

    Sujoy wrote:What’s It Cost?

    A reader recently asked:

    What’s the cost of one division of the S-400 for Russia and for foreign customers?

    Let’s call it a battalion (дивизион). We’ll start with exports (for which there is actually data). And we proceed from what was paid for the S-300.

    Russia’s planned sale of the S-300PMU1 to Iran reportedly involved the transfer of five “battalion sets” for $800 million. Some sources said as much as $1-1.2 billion.

    Let’s guess the “battalion set” has three firing batteries, with two launchers per, for a total of 30 TELs, 120+ missiles, and all associated radars, fire control systems, and vehicles.


    This is completely wrong.

    1. Iran bought 5 batteries of S-300PMU1 (also called in that case divisions/battalions)(NOT 15 batteries Very Happy )
    2. When talking about battalion set consisting of 3 batteries than you are talking only of S-300V system and no other. It is the way army
    nomenclatures its systems.
    3. Each battery/division/battalion (same thing when talking about territorial PVO) S-300PMU1 cost 160 million $
    4. Iran bought one almost full regiment (6 max, for S-400Export 8 max. )
    5. Minimum number of launchers per battery of export S-300/400 system is 4 (not 2 as said in the text) - but in that case customers
    always take more loaders
    6. There could be some other options included if Iran wanted to make its regiments more independent or dependant
    perhaps make two regiment out of 5 batteries and some other things but that is just to speculative


    Take Venezuela for example Sujoy, it could very easily be that Venezuela paid close to 1 bin $ for 1 S-300VM battalion (perhaps even

    more than 1 bin $) with simulators and PVO troopers training. Thats because there is no S-300V battery operational unit but only as a

    battalion consisting of 3 batteries and 4 batteries for newer versions.


    Sujoy wrote:If $800 million is accurate, the price for one battalion was $160 million

    Thats wrong also. Totally wrong.

    Iran ordered ONE S-300PMU1 regiment and thats all - consisting of five batteries.

    Price of one battery is 160 million $. Those systems are not cheap.


    Sujoy wrote:This isn’t unlike what the Chinese paid for the S-300 in the 1990s and 2000s. According to Sinodefence.com, they bought battalions for between $25 and $60 million at different times under different contracts.

    That done, we make the leap from the S-300 price to the S-400 price.

    A couple years ago, Vedomosti drew the scarcely precise conclusion that the price of the S-400 will double the S-300′s price (and the S-500 double the S-400′s).

    So perhaps a “battalion set” or a battalion of the S-400 will go for $320 million. That would be one full-up launch vehicle for $40-50 million.



    China contract are not representative because:

    - no one has seen such contract or has confirmed it by either side unlike some others
    - its price is speculative based on some defense analysts estimate cost of one S-300 battery and latter multiplied
    numerous times throughout mass media and latter entered in the SIPRI documets. Basically you have one lie or half-lie information
    floating around and gaining reputation.
    - Still it could be that earlier during the 90ies Russia sold its best at cheaper price, lower quality/capability and you have to take
    in the consideration inflation throughout this time.
    - Russia wanted money to save its industry or perhaps to invest them in new development
    - Never will this happen again if that happened anyway.

    Recent contract with Iran (S-300PMU1) that you wrongly cited where 160 million $ per division/battery/battalion
    Recent contract with Libya that sadly never materialized, included S-300PMU2 battery priced at 250 million $
    Early S-300PMU1 contract with Vietnam costed 150 million $ (min.) per division/battery.


    Sujoy wrote:A couple years ago, Vedomosti drew the scarcely precise conclusion that the price of the S-400 will double the S-300′s price (and the S-500 double the S-400′s).

    So perhaps a “battalion set” or a battalion of the S-400 will go for $320 million. That would be one full-up launch vehicle for $40-50 million.

    When talking about Russian territorial PVO, battery equals battalion. This 320 million $ could very easily be the price of one

    S-400 battery (although I think it will be even higher).

    As of now one battalion of S-300V4 consisting of three batteries cost 800 - 950 million $ (price for Russian army) which would

    give its price range somewhere in between 270 - 320 million $ per S-300V battery



    Sujoy wrote:The only other shred of information is the widely-reported Financial Times story saying, if the Russians added the S-400 to a $2 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia, the price of the sale would climb to $7 billion. But lots of Russian reports say Moscow won’t be selling the S-400 abroad soon. The military obviously hopes that’s true, so it can get first.

    But not every customer is Iranian, not every one will have to pay a premium price, and not every customer is foreign.

    Which brings the trickier question of what Russia’s Defense Ministry has to pay. It’s simply impossible to guess.

    Certainly a lot less than buyers abroad. The military’s bought some S-400 systems so there is a going price. OAO Concern PVO Almaz-Antey’s costs are a big question as is the level of profit the government is willing to tolerate.

    The government owns Almaz-Antey, so one part of government is selling to another. It’s a prime example of angst over GOZ ”price formation” in recent years. There was a similar big-ticket dustup over submarine prices with Sevmash. It’s something of a Mexican standoff. The buyer doesn’t have other supplier alternatives. And the seller may not be allowed to sell elsewhere.

    The Defense Ministry, the government don’t want to pay a lot and have the power to refuse and yet still receive goods. The question is how many. That’s ECON 101, friends.

    If those buyers set their price below equilibrium, Almaz-Antey will provide a lower than desired quantity more slowly than the buyers want. And Almaz might have other buyers as an option, an advantage Sevmash lacks. So “price formation” for the S-400 is all about agreement on Almaz’s costs and an acceptable level of profit. That agreement is apparently not smoothly worked out yet.



    Chit Chat - nothing important there.

    But see Sujoy - having capable air defense cost money (a lot of it) and just buy buying all those systems is not enough

    as there is still more things you need to do, meaning a lot more money to spend further

    and still you will have PVO with the few orders of magnitude less than Russian one Very Happy

    But If you want to design a PVO as Russian do Laughing Laughing Laughing (and Im not here talking about the size of damn thing - thats

    whole new and different subject) with its complexity largely surpassing anything west can imagine

    than we are talking about mind-blowing sums of money but at the same time mind-blowing efficiency being able to take out tromendous

    pounding without losing its efficiency but at the same time completely denying your airspace to the adversary and shooting everything

    that comes in.
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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  gaurav on Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:24 pm

    Chit Chat - nothing important there.
    Absolutely .
    Some of the russian websites try to undermine the Russian state itself.They talk is terms of western propaganda tools of mafia business. They compare russian industry with Boeing , microsoft, Apple. Cool
    Complex thing to explain this but this is the reality of todays Russian media reporting.
    Russia is Russia thats all.
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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  Sujoy on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:17 pm

    Viktor wrote:But see Sujoy - having capable air defense cost money (a lot of it) and just buy buying all those systems is not enough

    Viktor , all good points that you make .

    For China , this is what I know :

    The PLAAF signed a contract in 1994 ( and got delivery around 98-99)to purchase two battalions (eight batteries) of the S-300PMU1 . The US$400 million package included 32 self-propelled 5P85SE/DE TEL vehicles and 196 TVM-guidance 48N6E missiles.

    An additional two battalions (eight batteries) of the S-300PMU1 system was ordered in 2001 in a contract worth US$400 million. The packaged included 32 TEL vehicles and 198 missiles, also in the 48N6E model.

    In 2003, the PRC finalised a contract worth US$980 million with Rosoboronexport to acquire four battalions (16 batteries) of the S-300PMU2 . The package included 64 self-propelled 5P85SE2/DE2 TEL vehicles and 256 improved 48N6E2 missiles.

    In 1999 The commander of Russia’s air defense troops, Alexander Sorokin, said that Kazakhstan would be purchasing ten divisions of S-300PS systems by installments before 2011.The cost of two divisions of S-300 missile systems were evaluated at $250-300 million. This is the price that Vietnam paid Russia when it purchased two divisions of S-300 complexes.
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:02 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Viktor wrote:But see Sujoy - having capable air defense cost money (a lot of it) and just buy buying all those systems is not enough

    Viktor , all good points that you make .

    For China , this is what I know :

    The PLAAF signed a contract in 1994 ( and got delivery around 98-99)to purchase two battalions (eight batteries) of the S-300PMU1 . The US$400 million package included 32 self-propelled 5P85SE/DE TEL vehicles and 196 TVM-guidance 48N6E missiles.

    An additional two battalions (eight batteries) of the S-300PMU1 system was ordered in 2001 in a contract worth US$400 million. The packaged included 32 TEL vehicles and 198 missiles, also in the 48N6E model.

    In 2003, the PRC finalised a contract worth US$980 million with Rosoboronexport to acquire four battalions (16 batteries) of the S-300PMU2 . The package included 64 self-propelled 5P85SE2/DE2 TEL vehicles and 256 improved 48N6E2 missiles.



    Do you know whats the problem Sujoy. Unreliability of information.

    You see

    - according to sinodefence China acquired 40 batteries of S-300 (each with 4 launchers making 160 launchers in total)

    - according to you China acquired 32 batteries of S-300 (each with 4 launchers making 128 launchers in total)

    - according to SIPRI China acquired 24-26 batteries of S-300 (each with 4 launchers making 96-104 launchers in total)

    So you see the problem. There is not exact known amount of the purchased systems so there is no point of discussing the price.

    Price of S-300 is even larger mystery that the number of S-300 launchers.


    Sujoy wrote:In 1999 The commander of Russia’s air defense troops, Alexander Sorokin, said that Kazakhstan would be purchasing ten divisions of S-300PS systems by installments before 2011.The cost of two divisions of S-300 missile systems were evaluated at $250-300 million. This is the price that Vietnam paid Russia when it purchased two divisions of S-300 complexes.

    Take a look.

    Nothing is settled jet. But things are unfolding. It is obvious that combined and integrated air-defense will be established but still

    it is not clear whether Kazahstan will pay for missiles or will be granted for free.

    My guess is that Kazahstan will pay for it in either case:

    1. Buying 10 divisions (1.5 bin $ aprox)
    2. Getting 10 divisions for free (Russia is getting rid of S-300PS) but binding them to buy S-400 later on.


    Russia, Kazakhstan to merge missile defences



    Russia and Kazakhstan will merge their missile defence systems, with the agreement to this effect due to be signed in 2013, the Commander of the Kazakh aerial defence, Colonel Nourzhan Moukanov, has told a news conference held in the town of Cholpon-Ata, on the shores of Lake Issyk-Kul.

    According to him, the terms of the proposed agreement are currently in the process of being finalised. The Commander also expects Russia to settle the issue of the delivery of Russian-made S-300 surface-to-air missiles to Kazakhstan in 2013.

    The Secretariat of the Council of CIS Defence Ministers told the Interfax news agency earlier that Russia would supply up to ten S-300 air defence systems to Kazakhstan free of charge.

    LINK



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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  medo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:19 pm

    China got different versions of S-300, so they don't have the same price. Maybe we should look on Azerbaidjan for price.
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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:56 pm

    medo wrote:China got different versions of S-300, so they don't have the same price.

    Of course, but as even the exact number of S-300 system remains a mystery so does the price no matter the version.


    medo wrote:Maybe we should look on Azerbaidjan for price.

    We have no price for Azerbaijan either. It is cited at 300 million $ for two S-300PMU2 divisionsat least Very Happy .

    Libya (before the war) signed for two S-300PMU2 divisions with the estimated worth 500 million $.

    Iran signed for 5 batteries worth 800 million $, meaning 160 million per division of S-300PMU1.

    Syria signed for 8 batteries of BUK-M2, meaning 120 million $ per battery.

    I think we can safely assume S-300PMU2 battery at around 200 million $ several million more or less

    depending on the amount and type of extra equipment or missiles.
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    Russian SM systems exports

    Post  medo on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:23 pm

    Even Dollar didn't have the same value through years.
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    S-300VM for Turkey

    Post  Viktor on Fri May 10, 2013 12:58 am

    Russia is offering Turkey a contract that would include potentially thousands of missiles developed on the basis of S-300VM and in part

    locally produced in Turkey while being implemented as a integrated air defense system throughout the country.

    Interesting that S-300VM first received its first customer in Venezuela and is now being actively promoted in India and Turkey.


    "Rosoboronexport" is ready to cooperate with Turkey in the joint production of anti-aircraft missile systems

    ISTANBUL, May 8. (ARMS-TASS). Russia is ready to instruct the Turkish defense industry production of a number of components anti-aircraft missile system (ADMS) "Antey-2500" (S-300VM). This was announced today in an interview with Trend. ITAR-TASS General Director of "Rosoboronexport" Anatoly Isaykin taking part in the international exhibition of defense industry "AYDEF 2013" in Istanbul.

    He recalled that "Rosoboronexport" is involved in the Ministry of National Defense announced the tender for the supply of long-range air defense missile systems. "We offer a modern and efficient system. If the Russian proposal is selected, then the signing of the contract, we will take a commitment to the participation of industry and of" Rosoboronexport "in the joint development and production of a new generation air defense missile systems to the needs of the Turkish Armed Forces," - said Isaykin. Elements of the system "Antey-2500" in this case, will be integrated into the new complex air defense missile systems. Isaykin noted that during the negotiations with the Turkish side it was reported that Russia is ready to cooperate.

    Meanwhile, at the moment the Secretariat of the defense industry in Turkey, which is in charge of matters of procurement of weapons, has not made a decision on the tender. "Our hopes of winning the bid based on the real superiority of Russian air defense and missile defense systems over foreign producers," - said Isaykin. The main competitor of the Russian proposal is an American set of "Patriot", however, as local observers, the conditions offered by the United States, is not so profitable as Russian.

    On the issue of the transfer of technology for the production of Turkey "Anthea-2500", Isaykin said that such a condition is written in the Turkish legislation. "The Contractor shall provide the necessary and sufficient domestic industrial participation. It should be remembered that as a result of joint activity should not hurt the quality of the delivered property," - he said.


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    Post  SOC on Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:57 pm

    Question: do we know about when the Venezuelan (S-300V, Buk-M2E, Pechora-2M), Azeri (S-300PMU-2, Buk-M2E), and Syrian (Buk-M2E, Pechora-2M) SAMs were delivered recently? I'm looking for as accurate a date as possible so I can work backwards for that and figure a few things out angel
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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  Viktor on Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:48 am

    Regarding Venezuela.

    You can track here LINK when where deliveries first noted. Russians said that by the end of this year all deliveries will be honored. So I guess that covers Venezuela. 

    I think that Pechora is the only exception and that its deliveries started earlier. When, I dont know but 

    Cant help you with others.
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    If i may switch the discussion in another direction for a minute gentlemen. I found this on bmpd:

    Post  mack8 on Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:47 pm

    If i may switch the discussion in another direction for a minute gentlemen. I found this on bmpd:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1780411.html#comments

    Now, as you can see in the comments peoples think the S-300V tubes are for Egypt or Venezuela. However Egypt's SAMs are as far as i know all sand colour, and in fact we did saw  a sand coloured S-300VM last year (but i guess it is possible they might have changed their minds about what cammo they want). Venezuela's S-300VM are dark green. The cammo in these pics though looks  iranian style! See for instance their parades, various vehicles have very similar cammo, including their Raad/Tabas SAM. Could these  9M83s be iranian?! On the other hand, just read couple more pieces in the never ending iranian S-300 saga, either allenging that actually there is no contract yet (this from an iranian source apparently), just an MOU, or alternatively, while there is a contract, there is still a dispute about payment.

    So, who are those S-300Vs for ? Are the pictures indeed from February 2016?


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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:05 am

    That colour scheme could be for anyone. Could be Syria, Iraq, Iran Algeria or even Egypt if they intend to deploy in the Nile delta area. It does remind me of Iraqi pantsir colours though.
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    Re: Russian SAM Systems Exports Thread

    Post  mack8 on Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:10 am

    Hi Sheytan,

    Now that you mention it, indeed the cammo resembles the iraqi Pantsir one. Guess we have to wait and see.

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