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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:56 am

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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Austin on Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:29 pm

    Any orders for export or Russian customers signed so far ?
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:51 pm

    Austin wrote:Any orders for export or Russian customers signed so far ?
    This is not an aviation show. Don't expect a string of order announcements.
    Most customers are from third world countries and they don't like to have their orders publicized.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Cpt Caz on Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:05 pm

    More pics of the BMPT-72 I saw posted on the otvaga2004 forums:





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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:12 pm

    The BMPT-72 screams awesome..

    But I noticed that the BMPT-1 is also on display at this year's Nizhny Tagil.
    Which makes sense because it's a custom-built new model rather than a T-72 upgrade like the BMPT-72 is.
    It has a couple inherent advantages such as the two grenade-launchers on the corners.

    So what I'm wondering is that seeing as it's still for sale; why didn't they give it an upgrade too? With the Arena-E system and new reactive armour?

    Perhaps such a makeover would turn out too expensive to justify for the old chassis that it's based on?
    Which leads to the strange situation where you can either get a nice turret through the BMPT-72 upgrade; or buy a BMPT-1 and get a nice hull - but not both.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:36 pm

    French General stunned by the quality of Russian arms (in the good way)
    http://vpk-news.ru/news/17610
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Zivo on Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:31 pm

    flamming_python wrote:French General stunned by the quality of Russian arms (in the good way)
    http://vpk-news.ru/news/17610
    There is nothing here that should have stunned him. These weapons have been discussed for quite some time now. He should register on this forum, he might learn something. Very Happy

    I wonder what he will think when Armata is revealed?
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Regular on Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:13 am

    Well most likely he only had experience with Soviet systems and perhaps early Russian ones. If You look at systems that were presented recently You notice trend of quality and sophistication going up. Compare BMPT-72 with it's predecessor and You see that they refined design and actually did solid work. R/D is alive and kicking like never before.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:52 am

    But I noticed that the BMPT-1 is also on display at this year's Nizhny Tagil.
    Which makes sense because it's a custom-built new model rather than a T-72 upgrade like the BMPT-72 is.
    The thing is that a country like India might be interested in a T-90 based fleet so the original BMPT makes sense.

    Of course the T-72 is far more widely used so a version that can be adapted from that vehicle makes a lot of sense too... even India might use this upgrade to apply to old T-72s with damaged turrets or that they don't need as tanks but want a fire support vehicle.

    It has a couple inherent advantages such as the two grenade-launchers on the corners.
    The hull grenade launchers are actually expensive additions... I am not surprised they dropped them from the T-72 upgrade... they also have a fairly limited field of fire too so I can understand why they deleted them.

    So what I'm wondering is that seeing as it's still for sale; why didn't they give it an upgrade too? With the Arena-E system and new reactive armour?
    I suspect they could have if India or Algeria or another country with lots of T-90s in service is interested.

    However even for countries like Algeria and India a T-72 upgrade model would be far cheaper and only slightly less well protected and they could keep their T-90s for the purpose they were designed.

    Which leads to the strange situation where you can either get a nice turret through the BMPT-72 upgrade; or buy a BMPT-1 and get a nice hull - but not both.
    I am sure if a country had the money they could get exactly what they wanted.

    These two vehicles are most likely to appeal to the existing market and are low risk designs.

    There is nothing here that should have stunned him. These weapons have been discussed for quite some time now. He should register on this forum, he might learn something. Very Happy

    I wonder what he will think when Armata is revealed?
    A lot of people in the west believe the western propaganda and when you don't make an effort to find out more you rarely stumble upon any information to the contrary... certainly in the west.

    Compare BMPT-72 with it's predecessor and You see that they refined design and actually did solid work. R/D is alive and kicking like never before.
    More importantly a lot of this stuff is serial production stuff as opposed to two decades of hand made non functional prototypes that are presented year after year hoping for investment...


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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:22 am

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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Austin on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:41 am

    Any news of Export Contracts signed so far Euro 1.5 Billion will be too big to be kept secret

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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  a89 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:20 pm

    There is nothing here that should have stunned him. These weapons have been discussed for quite some time now. He should register on this forum, he might learn something.
    Also, you are not going to say you are unimpressed when you are a guest in the country. This type of comments are typical: "outstanding", "second to none"....

    Any news of Export Contracts signed so far Euro 1.5 Billion will be too big to be kept secret
    I don't think you will find -detailed- information on this. Iraq is negotiating for BTR-82. If these are replacing BTR-4, it will be a large batch. Other countries like Algeria have tested BMP-T in the past. Something could be signed, but it's all behind closed doors.

    By the way, some Russian websites claimed that a version of MSTA-S mounted on wheels was going to be introduced, but no updates yet.

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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Austin on Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:24 pm

    BMPT72 Unveiled at RAE-2013

    New Arena-3 APS Debut At RAE-2013
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  zg18 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:33 pm

    a89 wrote:I don't think you will find -detailed- information on this. Iraq is negotiating for BTR-82. If these are replacing BTR-4, it will be a large batch. Other countries like Algeria have tested BMP-T in the past. Something could be signed, but it's all behind closed doors.
    Is it just me or that is weird? BTR-4s have been ordered from Ukraine in 2009 by Iraqis.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:02 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    a89 wrote:I don't think you will find -detailed- information on this. Iraq is negotiating for BTR-82. If these are replacing BTR-4, it will be a large batch. Other countries like Algeria have tested BMP-T in the past. Something could be signed, but it's all behind closed doors.
    Is it just me or that is weird? BTR-4s have been ordered from Ukraine in 2009 by Iraqis.
    The deal fell through when quality was low and Ukraine cannot meet production quantities/speed.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:10 pm

    Its so sad that the venas showed in the expo are cancelled prototypes:cry:  They could've been such a useful asset. Now the VDV has to tediously wait another half decade to full decade to replace its 80s nonas with a kurganets chassis gun/mortar.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  TR1 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:23 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Its so sad that the venas showed in the expo are cancelled prototypes:cry:  They could've been such a useful asset. Now the VDV has to tediously wait another half decade to full decade to replace its 80s nonas with a kurganets chassis gun/mortar.
    Why cancelled? There are Venas being built right now, just slowly and few.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  zg18 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:24 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Its so sad that the venas showed in the expo are cancelled prototypes:cry:  They could've been such a useful asset. Now the VDV has to tediously wait another half decade to full decade to replace its 80s nonas with a kurganets chassis gun/mortar.
    2S31 "Vena" couldn`t possibly be used by VDV since it`s on chassis of BMP-3.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Cpt Caz on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:10 pm

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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:28 pm

    Gur Khan was very impressed with RAE-2013: http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/09/rae-2013_29.html

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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Zivo on Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:21 am



    French 20mm RWS?
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  Cpt Caz on Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:10 am

    Zivo wrote:French 20mm RWS?
    It is indeed.



    It's a French system called the ARX-20. Here's some information on it for those interested:
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    Just out of curiosity, how do you guys feel about the increasing Russian-French cooperation in military technologies?
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  TR1 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:29 am

    If it produces results, why not? Programs are ever more expensive, cooperation only makes both more competitive. Arms manufacturers are often international in nature.

    Russian MOD will keep the predominantly domestic requirement for strategic systems, so no worries.
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    Re: Russia Arms Expo 2013

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:51 am

    Clearly an attempt to appeal to markets that already use the weapons of other countries.

    The Soviets didn't tend to use a 20mm cannon in the post WWII period, they tended to use either the 14.5mm KPV, which had higher velocity and better penetration than most 20mm weapons, or 23mm cannon with a heavier projectile.


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