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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  flamming_python on Mon May 11, 2015 1:03 am

    Well, the Saudis will probably order components from the Ukraine, so there's that.

    But really, it's small potatoes. Best the Ukrainians can hope for at the moment though - technology sales of Soviet-era designs with parts sales and the hope of some future orders or defense ties.

    Surprised the Saudis chose the An-32 for their needs though. The An-26/32/72/148 all share a common lineage and the An-148 is the latest iteration.
    The US probably wanted to throw the Ukrainians a bone and ordered the Saudis to pick up the bill. The Saudis complied but naturally wanted to get away without using much money - hence they picked the aircraft that's older but cheaper to operate than the jet-powered An-148, and simpler to manufacture, while still being reliable and a capable enough aircraft for their needs.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 11, 2015 12:06 pm

    The An-32 was optimised for hot and high operations with something like twice the engine power of the An-24/26... I rather suspect they wanted that aircraft to ensure they could sell some to Pakistan and possibly Afghanistan, and to use them themselves in very hot areas and high areas too.


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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Book. on Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:50 am

    Paris Air Show 2015: Antonov reveals An-188 strategic transport aircraft
    Nicholas de Larrinaga, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
    Antonov is developing a jet-engined version of the An-70 strategic transport aircraft, the An-188, company officials announced on 15 June at the Paris Air Show 2015.

    Dmytro Kiva, Antonov's president and general designer, said that following the acceptance of the turboprop powered An-70 into Ukrainian service in January, "this aircraft has become the basis of the new An-188 with jets."

    The company is positioning the An-188 in a similar niche to the An-70 or the Airbus A400M, with its maximum take-off weight of 140 tonnes and maximum payload of 40 tonnes, sitting in between that of the Lockheed Martin C-130 (79/20 tonnes) and the Boeing C-17 (255/75 tonnes).

    Kiva said that the "aircraft [will be] able to operate from unpaved airfields [and] short airfields" of 915 m in length. As the aircraft used turbofan engines it "would provide "high economic efficiency and small fuel consumption", he added. Antonov specifications state the aircraft will have a fuel consumption of 4,600 kg per flight hour.

    With the Ukrainian firm keen to move away from its previous relationship with Russia, and to try to increase the export potential of the aircraft, the An-188 is intended to be fitted with "western avionics and equipment, including engines".

    Asked by IHS Jane's if and when the company would begin building a prototype An-188, or when it might even be ready to fly, Kiva said the company was now working and negotiating, but "we are not ready to say exactly when it will be ready to produce. But it's fair to say we have changed the An-70 considerably, because it's not only another engine, it will be another construction of the aircraft including in particular an enlarged wing."

    The An-188 will be powered by four turbofan engines and although Kiva mentioned possibly using a western engine on the An-188, current plans are to use a Ukrainian engine from Motor Sich. Kiva said, "As far as the An-188 [is concerned], we are at the negotiation stage and in particular we are considering the possibility to equip it with Ukrainian engines made in Zaporizhia", that is, Motor Sich. He added that "there are two possible variants of engine, the D-436-FM, the new one, or I-28". It is unclear what engine he referred to as the I-28, but the D-436-FM is a new version of the Ivchenko-Progress D-436 turbofan that powers the An-158 civil airliner. According to Kiva this new version "will be ready next year".

    http://www.janes.com/article/52287/paris-air-show-2015-antonov-reveals-an-188-strategic-transport-aircraft



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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:07 pm

    Antonov Company is holding an international contest to pick a name for its new transport aircraft AN-178.



    Here is how you can participate: https://www.facebook.com/antonov.company.en

    I already sent my suggestion, since they already had Colt, Cock, Condor and Cossak i guess Crack now would be appropriate.

    Source: http://www.cavok.com.br/blog/antonov-realiza-concurso-internacional-para-escolher-um-nome-para-o-an-178/
    Translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavok.com.br%2Fblog%2Fantonov-realiza-concurso-internacional-para-escolher-um-nome-para-o-an-178%2F
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:24 am

    No Russ bear. how the money ?

    It is an An-70 with turbofan engines... how much would it cost to make the drawing and then wave it around in the west as being a new plane?

    Of course considering the competition is the C-17 and the C-130 they might actually get some real sales with a 40 ton payload transport that doesn't cost more than a B-2.


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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:00 am

    Watch it not receive a NATO designation.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:34 pm

    Ahah militarov mate, Crack was perfect.




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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:38 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Ahah militarov mate, Crack was perfect.


    Was that or Crap Razz
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:03 pm



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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:34 pm

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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:15 pm

    Militarov wrote:Antonov Company is holding an international contest to pick a name for its new transport aircraft AN-178.

    Here is how you can participate: https://www.facebook.com/antonov.company.en

    I already sent my suggestion, since they already had Colt, Cock, Condor and Cossak i guess Crack now would be appropriate.

    Source: http://www.cavok.com.br/blog/antonov-realiza-concurso-internacional-para-escolher-um-nome-para-o-an-178/

    Antonov might can name a new aircraft An-178 "Bandera" after Stepan Bandera (enjos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera). According to them 2.5 million users of social networks voted for that name, some other names offered were "Amet-khan Sultan" (sounds good actually guy was famous fighter and test pilot), "Cyborg" (after...Cyborgs in Novorossia),  "Nadia," "Conan" (?????), "Chumak", "Sapsan", "Maidan" and others....

    Meanwhile banera in serbian means:



    Source: http://ria.ru/world/20151209/1339205094.html
    Translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fworld%2F20151209%2F1339205094.html&edit-text=
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:24 am

    RIP Antonov, you came off life support, and unsurprisingly, you died: http://tass.ru/en/economy/852564
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:37 pm

    i vote for "jew bankrupt us", the most fitting for the entire 404.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:46 pm

    I won't miss it. It nevr produced fighters. Twisted Evil Laughing

    I feel sorry for the Kharkov Tank Plant that went from a world class R&D centre into a shadow of it's former self... one that can't design a single tank in 25 years. Geez, that's the factory that designed T-34, T-54 and T-64, tanks that were a generation ahead of constructions deployed around the world at the time when the Kharkov designs entered production.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:11 pm

    Although Antonov might have gone bust it still seems to be going (opportunity for a side deal no doubt) with the first flight of the An-178 with an upgraded engine fitted.



    Since the first flight on 7 may 2015, the An-178 has made almost 40 flights and total hours flown exceeded 107 hours. On the plane, in the absence of a regular engine D-436-148ФМ were equipped with classic engines D-436-148, used in the passenger aircraft An-148/158.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Although Antonov might have gone bust it still seems to be going (opportunity for a side deal no doubt) with the first flight of the An-178 with an upgraded engine fitted.



    Since the first flight on 7 may 2015, the An-178 has made almost 40 flights and total hours flown exceeded 107 hours. On the plane, in the absence of a regular engine D-436-148ФМ were equipped with classic engines D-436-148, used in the passenger aircraft An-148/158.

    Apparently Wikipedia stated "Antonovs for Silk Way". Airliner World (July 2015) as source for claim that SilkWay airlines ordered 10 of them in early 2015. So if anyone has this publication id like to see it.

    What we for sure know about tho is that Saudi Arabia has high interest in it: "On December 17, 2015, ANTONOV Company and «ТAQNIA AERONAUTICS», Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, signed the «Memorandum of Understanding». This document confirms the parties’ intension to deliver 30 multipurpose AN−178 aircraft to Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF).

    According to Retired Major General Ali Mohammed Al−Ghamdi, President of «ТAQNIA AERONAUTICS», «Signing of this Memorandum is the next significant step in development of our cooperation. We have signed the documents on interaction within the programme of the AN−132 new transport and further promotion of the AN−148 special−purpose versions. We choose the AN−178 taking into account good characteristics of this aircraft. Its price and low operational costs are important advantages of this aircraft in comparison with other airplanes of this class. Besides, we will realize joint marketing policy on promotion of the AN−178 into the markets of other countries of Middle East. In the future we plan cooperative production of this aircraft». Oleksandr Kotsiuba, First Vice President of ANTONOV Company, said: «This event became one more confirmation of mutual aspiration of Ukraine and Saudi Arabia in development of strategic partnership in the field of aircraft industry. Signing of this Memorandum verifies that the AN−178 is a modern, reliable and effective airplane, which is requested by customers. We are obliged to our partners and ready to fulfill our obligations in accordance with the signed agreements»."
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  max steel on Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:40 pm

    Ukraine's Biggest Plane Maker Shuts Down -- and Boeing and Lockheed Breathe a Sigh of Relief

    It's the end of an era in Ukraine .


    Russia should buy the trademark and reopen the design bureau back in Novosibirsk after offering asylum and employment to all the Antonov engineers.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:56 pm

    max steel wrote:Ukraine's Biggest Plane Maker Shuts Down -- and Boeing and Lockheed Breathe a Sigh of Relief

    It's the end of an era in Ukraine .


    Russia should buy the trademark and reopen the design bureau back in Novosibirsk after offering asylum and employment to all the Antonov engineers.
    Thanks, now I understand, from your link

    In June 2015, three subsidiaries of the state-owned Antonov Aviation Concern were transferred to the ownership of similarly state-owned UkrOboronProm. These subsidiaries included the Kharkiv State Aircraft Manufacturing Company, State Civil Aviation Enterprise Plant 410, and the Antonov Company itself -- which builds Ukraine's "An-" aircraft and operates "Antonov Airlines."

    Antonov, the parent company, was an empty shell with all the functioning bits transferred so it made sense to shut it. Aircraft design and construction continues. Wonder who benefited/lost out of this? Bet someone did.

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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:37 pm

    "Ukrainian Antonov company announced that it has finalized the works related to the assembly process pertaining the An-132D fuselage which is being created in collaboration with the Saudi KACST (King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology) facility.The prototype is scheduled to make its maiden flight until the end of 2016. Series production is planned to begin in 2 years.

    According to the agreement made between KACST and Antonov, the aircraft is going to be manufactured at the Saudi facility, however, the prototype is to be designed and manufactured by the Kiev-based Antonov plant. The works related to the fuselage, which is made, in its majority, out of composites, were finalized on time, according to the schedule – on 8th February.

    Soon, cables and key components are going to be installed. These elements come mostly from the reputable Western manufacturers. Thanks to the above, Antonov would enter some new markets, targeting its effort to reach the customers who are likely to acquire “branded” products. The An-132D demonstrator is going to be propelled by Pratt & Whitney Canada PW150 engines, with six-bladed Dowty Propellers Company R408 propellers. The fully digital avionics system is going to be delivered by Honeywell, while the life support system is to be provided by the Liebherr company.

    The An-132, which is a modernized variant of the An-32 cargo plane, is to have a doubled range. It is also going to have better capabilities when it comes to the carried payload, while the airframe is designed in a way which provides the aircraft with STOL capabilities, so important when the missions require to carry out unprepared runway operations. Not only did the customers from the Middle East express their interest in the Antonov’s design, since those from Far East and South America also submitted their inquiries about the new airlifter.

    The An-132D demonstrator is going to be used both for technological tests, as well as for the certification purposes. It is also to be used to present and display the capabilities of the design to the potential buyers. The above, primarily, concerns the clients from Saudi Arabia."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/new-ukrainian-an-132d-transport-aircraft-to-make-its-maiden-flight-until-the-end-of-2016.html







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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:03 pm

    Mmmm, manufactured in that major manufacturing country, Saudi. Oh wait.....

    Can anyone think of anything else complex that is made there?

    Pretty competitive market its aimed for, would be better priced in cheap Ukrainian currency than expensive, dollar linked, Saudi.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Mmmm, manufactured in that major manufacturing country, Saudi. Oh wait.....

    Can anyone think of anything else complex that is made there?

    Pretty competitive market its aimed for, would be better priced in cheap Ukrainian currency than expensive, dollar linked, Saudi.

    Saudis are simply paying (guess on behalf of whom) for Antonov to be completely disintegrated, denying a potential, future re-opening of their plants (if regime change happens in Ukraine). Building an An-32neo in KSA is a non-starter.
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:40 pm

    https://twitter.com/Antonov_GP

    Antonov made Twitter account Very Happy
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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:47 am

    Croatian Air Force is in disarray, a MIG 21 aircrafts that were purchased in Ukraine have false documentation. The deal worth 130 million croatian kunas. Out of 12 MiGs that Ukraine refubrished for Croatia at this moment only 3 are flying, as it appears that Ukraine falsified documentation regarding overhaul and modernisation performed. 7 MiGs were ferubrished in Ukraine and 5 were assembled from used parts, however appears that parts used by Ukrainians were 4 or 5 years older than documentation claims. Also some parts installed in refubrished ones seem to appear as already used. Its belived that this was the case of major bribery. Serial numbers on original 7 Croatian borts were also tempered with, as they were removed and again applied (they replaced borts?). Croatian Military Police is atm starting investigation.



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    Re: Ukrainian Aviation Industry: Discussion

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:06 pm

    State enterprise Antonov (Kyiv) has completed the large scale assembly of a new multipurpose An-132D aircraft with a load capacity of 9.2 tonnes being built in the framework of a contract with Saudi Arabia signed in April 2015, the press service of the enterprise has said.

    "A tail unit has been installed on the aircraft. Thus, a fuselage, a wing and a tail unit have been assembled. We expect the supply of PW150A engines for the airplane by Pratt & Whitney Canada in April. A cooperation agreement with the Canadian company under the An-132 program was signed in October 2015," the plant said.

    The prototype of a new AN-132 is to be completed by the end of 2016. After performing a series of test flights, the aircraft will be presented to potential customers in Saudi Arabia.

    In parallel with the building of a demonstration copy of the aircraft, an agreement was achieved and a contract was signed with Taqnia Aeronautics at the AFED-2016 international aviation exhibition in Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) in February, which is determined by the Saudi side as a manufacturing and marketing partner for the organization of a cooperative serial production of new transport An-132 aircraft.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/334944.html


    Meanwhile, no doubt this will be causing some twitching in Moscow.

    Ukraine has launched an aggressive effort to manage multiple overloaded armaments and weaponry that New Delhi acquired during the Soviet era and which have become a liability for the Indian defense forces, military news portal Defense News reported on Thursday. A Ukrainian governmental delegation and over a dozen defense companies showcasing new programs are now at Defexpo, Defense News wrote.

    "We are here now [in] India for the long term to manage Soviet-era headaches, which India cannot manage alone," said Perto Fedoruk, chief adviser to Ukraine's largest defense industry consortium, Ukroboronprom. "For nearly a decade Russia has forcefully blocked our entry," Fedoruk said. "We have offered multiple solutions to give new life to Soviet-era weaponry [with Indian defense forces], as we are the original equipment manufacturer," he said.

    According to a Ukrainian diplomat, "India cannot resolve the headaches of overloaded Soviet-era platforms without Ukraine." "India has now permitted us to participate in defense programs independently, and we are offering a new solution to manage and refit the Soviet-era aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov [renamed as INS Vikramaditya], which is 50% cheaper than the Russian offer," said Mykola Gordienko, head of Ukroboronprom naval projects.

    The Indian Navy is evaluating a proposal by Ukraine for overhaul and maintenance of gas turbines used in Delhi-class warships and the carrier Admiral Gorshkov.

    The Ukroboronprom deputy director general of strategy, Artur Kheruvymov, said India plans to organize a "joint military technical commission for providing service support for Soviet-era weaponry." "In addition, the two countries are also planning to form joint ventures in India for upgrading and overhaul and manufacture of spares for Soviet-built air defense systems, including the Kvadrat, OSA-AKM Strela-1, Tunguska, Shilka, portable IGLA and Strela-2 systems," Kheruvymov said.

    Ukraine is doing more than $100 million in annual defense business with India, and aims to increase it to $500 million in the next three years, he said.

    Over 700 defense contracts related to the delivery of spares, repair and upgrade valued at over $2 billion were signed and completed in the last 10 years. "We have now managed to make a breakthrough," according to the Ukrainian diplomat, who added: “India has now decided to buy [the] electronic support measure system used to detect and track stealth aircraft and Vympel R-27 medium-range air-to-air missiles from us instead of from Russia."

    Ukraine has also offered to collaborate with India's Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) to jointly develop multiple rocket launcher systems with a range of 100 kilometers — similar to Russian Grad systems. "In addition, we will also be developing a variety of new electronic warfare systems with DRDO and a partnership has been sealed recently," Fedoruk said.

    Ukroboronprom is also sealing a partnership with state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) to indigenize Russian T-90 main battle tanks and set up a facility to manufacture spares in India.

    Ukraine has also entered into a partnership with state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics for supply of crucial spares for Russian Sukhoi aircraft.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/334873.html

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