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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:50 pm

    Patrol ships for the first time in Russian Black Sea Fleet will be equipped with modular weapon

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:44 pm

    Why the freakin hell is the smetlivy still in use? They should've thrown away that hrushchov era hulk 20 years ago. Instead they scrapped half of the udaloys and sovremennys in the 90s but let this 50s ship stay in service. But I disgress...

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:09 am

    Not all the Sovs were scrapped... about 4 were sold to the Chinese from memory.

    A few had some problems with their propulsion, so scrapping them early would make sense.

    Other than that even an old boat is better than nothing, and if it still runs and doesn't cost too much to keep operational... why not?


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  runaway on Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:22 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why the freakin hell is the smetlivy still in use? They should've thrown away that hrushchov era hulk 20 years ago. Instead they scrapped half of the udaloys and sovremennys in the 90s but  let this 50s ship stay in service. But I disgress...

    The Smetlivy will for sure be decommisioned when the first Grigorovich frigates comes in service, which is soon. But to keep sailors and commanders up to date in skills its essential to do it on a boat.
    Also she is not harmless with 8 Uran missiles.

    I would guess 2015-2016 the Smetlivy will lower her flag after 46 years in service and the last Kashin, which says something about the succes of the series.


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:44 pm

    Fire in large antisubmarine ship "Kerch"

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:23 pm

    The fate of "Kerch" will be solved within three weeks.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  runaway on Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:26 pm

    George1 wrote:The fate of "Kerch" will be solved within three weeks.

    Kerch will for sure be taken out of service, now that the Grigorovich frigates comes into service.
    But i would expect several corvettes would be needed in BSF, 21631 Buyan-M perhaps. Then its time to think about a new flagship, the Slavas cant hold forever.


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:39 pm

    runaway wrote:
    George1 wrote:The fate of "Kerch" will be solved within three weeks.

    Kerch will for sure be taken out of service, now that the Grigorovich frigates comes into service.
    But i would expect several corvettes would be needed in BSF, 21631 Buyan-M perhaps. Then its time to think about a new flagship, the Slavas cant hold forever.


    There shouldn't be any Slavas in the Black Sea fleet anymore IMO. I'm surprised the Moskva is still there, figured it was fingered for the Northern/Pacific fleet - I suspect it still is in fact.
    A couple of the perspective destroyers would do nicely for the Black Sea/Mediterranean flotilla - ones with gas-turbine propulsion rather than the nuclear variants.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  runaway on Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:56 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    There shouldn't be any Slavas in the Black Sea fleet anymore IMO. I'm surprised the Moskva is still there, figured it was fingered for the Northern/Pacific fleet - I suspect it still is in fact.
    A couple of the perspective destroyers would do nicely for the Black Sea/Mediterranean flotilla - ones with gas-turbine propulsion rather than the nuclear variants.

    A Slava in the mediterranean fleet can and is valuable, but its starting to get old and by 2020 the new destroyer could take over, but as you i also think it should be gas-turbine.


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:37 pm

    Kerch is done.

    Moskva can't be taken out of the BSF because without it they have essentially no useful major surface combatants.
    After 11356s start arriving, Moskva will be up for modernization/repair @ Zvedochka like Ustinov is right now- maybe when it emerges it can go to another fleet.

    No new destroyer will be ready for service by 2020, come on guys. Reality!

    One thing I am interested in is the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea-potentially one of the biggest catches that Russia jacked from Ukraine.

    They built the Sevmorput back in the day (the huge icebreaker/cargo ship), and have a very large dock and crane....they got an order for 4 military ships of an unidentified type recently.
    Probably something small like Byans, but if they do well, perhaps they could get a frigate or even destroyer order eventually.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:Kerch is done.

    Moskva can't be taken out of the BSF because without it they have essentially no useful major surface combatants.
    After 11356s start arriving, Moskva will be up for modernization/repair @ Zvedochka like Ustinov is right now- maybe when it emerges it can go to another fleet.

    No new destroyer will be ready for service by 2020, come on guys. Reality!

    One thing I am interested in is the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea-potentially one of the biggest catches that Russia jacked from Ukraine.

    They built the Sevmorput back in the day (the huge icebreaker/cargo ship), and have a very large dock and crane....they got an order for 4 military ships of an unidentified type recently.
    Probably something small like Byans, but if they do well, perhaps they could get a frigate or even destroyer order eventually.
    Leader maybe?? Twisted Evil

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  runaway on Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:59 am

    TR1 wrote:No new destroyer will be ready for service by 2020, come on guys. Reality!

    One thing I am interested in is the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea-potentially one of the biggest catches that Russia jacked from Ukraine.

    They built the Sevmorput back in the day (the huge icebreaker/cargo ship), and have a very large dock and crane....they got an order for 4 military ships of an unidentified type recently.
    Probably something small like Byans, but if they do well, perhaps they could get a frigate or even destroyer order eventually.

    Dont be so sure, the new Destroyer wouldnt be so different from a larger Gorshkov, much of new tech and weapons standard has already been done.
    About the Zaliv, it can build large tankers, but hasnt recently been building warships , so it would be some major investments before they can build modern Frigates or destroyers.


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    Russia has plans to build nuclear powered and gas turbine versions of Leader class destroyer; a high-ranking source from the Russian Defense Ministry was cited as saying by Tass Today.

    “The technical design specification prepared by the Navy command has been signed by the Defense Ministry leadership that approved the engineering design for two versions of the destroyer — nuclear-powered and gas turbine. There are no specifics regarding the weapons, but the new ship will be most likely equipped with high precision cruise missile system and S-500 anti-aircraft defense system,” the source was quoted as saying.

    According to him, the Russian Navy is expected to place orders for 12 Leader class destroyers, 6 each for Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet.


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:26 am

    Slavas are carrier-busters and are designed to work under the protection of an air wing so they should all be in the Northern and Pacific fleets; I reckon they have a couple decades service yet so they might just still be around the form the early cores of the future carrier battle groups. Certainly, a Slava would go nicely with the Kuzya once the later finishes overhaul (now would be a good time to send it in for such BTW)

    Mediterranean and Black Sea probably doesn't need any ABM protection - but certainly a few S-300/S-400 class air-defense umbrellas for the Russian naval assets there.

    IMO the Shtil-1s of the Admiral Grigorovichs just don't quite cut it; even if compatible with the latest Buk-M3 missiles; that would still leave them with only 70km ranges. Not really enough for a naval group.

    The Redut VLSs of the Admiral Gorshkovs might though, they can carry the 9M96 ('small' S-400) missiles - the latest iterations of which have ranges of +120km. Of course it would be nice though if the Reduts would be compatible with some of the longer range S-400 missiles; but no doubt the 9M96s would be further developed anyway with increases in range and max. altitude.
    With that I'd be content - if Gorshkovs end up as the largest vessels serving in the BSF & Meditteranean fleets.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:27 am

    Division of Surface Ships Recreated at Black Sea Fleet

    The division of surface ships (the former 30th Division) was recreated at the Black Sea Fleet on the basis of a single brigade – of anti-submarine ships, a source in the power structures of the Crimea told RIA Novosti on Monday.

    The thirtieth Division of surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet was scaled down to one anti-submarine crew in the time of Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov .

    He recalled that during the 2015-2016 years, the combat strength of the Black Sea Fleet will include the latest six frigates of Project 11356.3. On Monday

    Deputy Commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice-Admiral Valery Kulikov visited the revived division of surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet and presented its new commander – Captain 1st Rank Oleg Krivorog.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:37 pm

    Rescue ship project 22870 for the Black Sea Fleet is being tested in the Caspian Sea.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:55 am

    Good news. Kerch will be scrapped. Its time for modern vessels.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  Kyo on Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:00 pm

    BSF takes into service second Varshavyanka class submarine, the Rostov-on Don. It will take northern deepwater trials and will sail internally to the Black Sea in the first half of 2015. The six Project 636.3 submarines should be brought into service by 2016 and will be based in Novorossiisk, where the RN is finalizing the construction of a complex basing system.

    http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/770018.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:56 pm

    Russian Black Sea Fleet to get 3 surface ships, two submarines in 2015 — Сaptain

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:13 pm

    Russia Ramps Up Black Sea Fleet With Modernized War Aircraft

    The aviation units of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet Air Force, Air Defense and Naval aviation have received modernized attack aircraft and fighter jets, including Sukhoi Su-34 and Su-30M2 fighters, Mil Mi-28 attack helicopters and Mi-8MTPR electronic warfare helicopters.

    Russia’s Black Sea Fleet Air Force, Air Defense and Naval aviation units have received 10 new and modernized aircraft and helicopters, the press service of Russia’s Southern Military District reported on Friday.

    Among the new military hardware are Sukhoi Su-34 (NATO reporting name Fullback) twin-engine, two-seat strike fighters. Based on Sukhoi Su-27 'Flanker', the two-seat Su-34 is designed primarily for tactical deployment against ground and naval targets.

    Modernized, multipurpose Su-30M2 fighters are designed to gain air superiority by destroying manned and unmanned aircraft with medium- and short-range air-to-air guided missiles, engaging surface and ground targets with all kinds of weapons, primarily precision ones.

    The main features of Su-30M2 include a modified weapon control system cwith advanced capabilities of destroying ground and sea targets; a new cockpit display system with multifunctional color liquid crystal displays; improved navigation and radio communication systems; a modern onboard defense system; a wide range of “air-to-air” and “air-to-surface” weapons hosted on 12 hardpoints and an in-flight refueling system.

    The jet's strengthened airframe and landing gear ensure that it can operate with full fuel tanks and maximum combat load at take-off weigh up to 38 tons. The Su-30M2 weapon control system provides for the detection, tracking and destruction of air, ground and sea targets with aircraft weapons in all weather conditions, day and night.

    The Mil Mi-28 (NATO reporting name "Havoc") is an all-weather, day-night, military tandem, two-seat anti-armor attack helicopter.

    And Mi-8MTPR electronic warfare helicopters are designed to be able to detect and suppress electronic command-and-control systems as well as the radars of surface-to air and air-to-air missiles.

    All the hardware has been tested by the engineering and technical services of the manufacturers, the press services said. The units are now holding exercises, to improve the skills of handling and operating the new combat equipment.

    Over 50 more new and modernized aircraft and helicopters will be transferred to the aviation units of the military district in the near future.



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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:38 am

    George1 wrote:[b]The aviation units of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet Air Force, Air Defense and Naval aviation have received modernized attack aircraft and fighter jets, including Sukhoi Su-34 and Su-30M2 fighters, Mil Mi-28 attack helicopters and Mi-8MTPR electronic warfare helicopters

    Navy Su-34's Question ....it would be nice but I think they probably mean Su-30SM's

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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:43 pm

    Russia to Upgrade Submarine Forces of Black Sea Fleet in 2016


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:55 pm

    Russia to reinforce Crimean naval grouping by yearend — fleet commander

    The Project 11356 lead frigate Admiral Grigorovich is completing a cycle of trials and preparing for its passage to the Black Sea

    MOSCOW, July 23. /TASS/. The Project 11356 lead frigate Admiral Grigorovich is scheduled to join the Russian Black Sea Fleet and reach Sevastopol on the Crimean peninsula by the end of this year, Fleet Commander, Admiral Alexander Vitko said on Thursday.

    "This year, we expect the lead frigate Admiral Grigorovich to reach Sevastopol and the submarines Novorossiysk and Rostov-on-Don to arrive in Novorossiysk, the Black Sea Fleet commander said.

    The Project 11356 lead frigate Admiral Grigorovich is completing a cycle of trials and preparing for its passage to the Black Sea, the admiral said.

    The Russian Black Sea Fleet has completed forming crews for the Project 11356 frigates Admiral Grigorovich, Admiral Essen and Admiral Makarov, he added.

    "All the ships will be manned solely with contract personnel. All the above-mentioned warships will enter service in the squadron of surface ships that has been re-established in Sevastopol," the Black Sea Fleet commander said.

    The crews of the small missile-carrying ships Serpukhov and Zeleny Dol built for the Black Sea Fleet in the Volga Republic of Tatarstan have also been formed and started training.

    The Russian Black Sea Fleet has also completed the process of forming crews for the newest diesel-powered submarines Novorossiysk, Rostov-on-Don, Stary Oskol and Krasnodar, the admiral said.

    It was earlier reported that the first pair of the Project 11356 warships would be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet by the end of the year.

    "The Admiral Grigorovich and the Admiral Essen will be commissioned this year or at least this is what we expect. The former is undergoing trials and the latter is preparing for them. Meanwhile, the third admiral-series frigate will enter service next year," Igor Ponomaryov, head of the Yantar shipyard, which is building the frigates, said in June.

    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on the Single Day of Military Products’ Acceptance on July 16 that the Yantar shipyard had disrupted the deadlines in 2014 for delivering the first Project 11356 frigate Admiral Grigorovich. The warship is expected to be commissioned in November 2015.


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  Maximmmm on Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:51 pm

    George1 wrote:Good news. Kerch will be scrapped. Its time for modern vessels.

    Would have loved to see it preserved as a museum though.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:06 am

    Νew navy base in Novorossiysk. Very soon in Novorossiysk will go the first submarine.

















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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  medo on Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:22 pm

    There is still a lot of work to do to build all needed infrastructure. Anyway, Black sea fleet will have two big bases and have a space to grow. I don't think they will have cruisers and destroyers, so they could well grow in the numbers of frigates and corvettes.

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