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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:24 pm

    Novorossiysk Naval Base Construction: First Phase to Finish Late in 2013

    Construction of first-order objects of Novorossiysk Naval Base will finish by the end of 2013, reports Izvestiya referring to Russian defense ministry.

    According to the newspaper, "those objects are meant for large-size warships having deep draft. That will make possible to start redeployment of Black Sea Fleet from Crimea to Novorossiysk. The fleet's flagship, Guards missile cruiser Moskva will arrive in the new base first".

    According to the source in Russian Navy Main HQ, "now they're dipping seabed to accommodate larger ships, lengthening quayside, constructing windbreak and a breakwater. To operate normally, the base needs underground storages for armaments, materials and fuel, covered underground communication centers and command posts".

    The source stressed that "we're tight down by the Black Sea Fleet Treaty signed in 1992. Its annex specifies hull numbers and types of ships allowed to be stationed in Sevastopol, Ukraine. It is problematic to transfer a new ship there. Ukrainian party hinders new amendments to the treaty. The agreement also prohibits rearming and upgrading of ships currently stationed in Sevastopol".

    At the same time, "some Black Sea Fleet officers say Sevastopol should remain the fleet's main naval base", reports Izvestiya.

    In particular, ex-commander of Black Sea Fleet considers that shape and geographic position of Novorossiysk would unlikely allow it to become the fleet's main naval base", writes Izvestiya.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=16492

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:18 pm

    Black Sea Fleet to Form Crews for New Ships in 2013

    In the new training year, Black Sea Fleet (BSF) will prepare for acceptance of two new warships and two submarines being built by Yantar (Kaliningrad) and Admiralteyskie Verfi (St. Petersburg) shipyards respectively.

    Crews for new ships will be formed on a competitive basis amid graduates of higher naval educational institutions and most qualified BSF servicemen.

    The newly formed crews will traditionally begin studying theoretical issues prior to commissioning of the ships. They will participate in sea trials together with shipyard experts and learn how to operate new equipment.

    Forming and preparing crews for new ships is one of the fleet's priority tasks in the new training year.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=16508

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  runaway on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:30 pm

    George1 wrote:Black Sea Fleet to Form Crews for New Ships in 2013

    In the new training year, Black Sea Fleet (BSF) will prepare for acceptance of two new warships and two submarines being built by Yantar (Kaliningrad) and Admiralteyskie Verfi (St. Petersburg) shipyards respectively.

    Guess that will be two 636.3,Novorossiysk and Rostov-on-Don, and two frigates ,Project 11356 Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen. Most certainly based in byNovorossiysk the end of the year 2013.
    For the Admiral Gorshkov class frigate will only enter Northern and Pacific fleets.

    Hm, in that case they have speed up production, as one of each was scheduled for 2014.


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:47 pm

    Project 11356 are for black sea fleet exclusively i think

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    Post  TR1 on Mon May 20, 2013 2:38 am

    http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/643679.html

    Recent interview with Admiral Chirkov about Black Sea Fleet; always have to be careful reading these, but it confirms some info that was floating around.

    Specifically- the BSF is undergoing a HUGE leap in surface and underwater combatant strength- via the 6 1135.6 frigates and 6 636 submarines (plus existing Alrosa, recently repaired).
    He makes no mention of rumors that a 20380 and a 22350 would enter the fleet- I am hopeful that it means the ships will not find their way to the BSF.
    The Grigorovich ships are more than enough, not to even talk about the huge increase in underwater strength - 7-fold increase!

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon May 20, 2013 10:39 am

    Even after the induction of the six project 11356 (Grigorovich) frigates, I would like to see the old veterans like the Smetlivy, Ladny and Pitlyvy stay in service as long as possible. They are doing a good job in the Mediteranean.

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    Post  Notio on Tue May 21, 2013 3:07 am

    TR1 wrote:http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/643679.html

    Recent interview with Admiral Chirkov about Black Sea Fleet; always have to be careful reading these, but it confirms some info that was floating around.

    Specifically- the BSF is undergoing a HUGE leap in surface and underwater combatant strength- via the 6 1135.6 frigates and 6 636 submarines (plus existing Alrosa, recently repaired).
    He makes no mention of rumors that a 20380 and a 22350 would enter the fleet- I am hopeful that it means the ships will not find their way to the BSF.
    The Grigorovich ships are more than enough, not to even talk about the huge increase in underwater strength - 7-fold increase!

    Let's be real, if a conflict happens requiring participation by the VMF, the closest fleet will be either Black Sea Fleet or the Caspian flotilla. Of course it is possible to send reinforcements from the other fleets, if there is an adequete warning, but it makes more sense to just strengthen the fleet that is most relevant. The Northern and the Baltic fleets enjoy strong positions thanks to history and the needs of nuclear deterrence, but one must be able to adapt. The Boreis allow a less rigid version of the bastion strategy and thus more resources can be directed elsewhere. It makes sense to really boost the BSF as it is also the most natural source of power for the Mediterranean Squadron or the 5th Operational Squadron, whatever will it be called.

    The role and the strength of the BSF will increase at the expense of the Northern and Baltic fleets, to me that is very natural and the right way to go. There isn't much to do at the Baltic sea, it is mostly pride and symbolism that forces to invest there anything more than a flotillas worth. The Northern fleet carries less burden as there is no longer a threat of big war in Europe and the relevant confrontation with the US navy. And as I already stated the new generation of SSBN is lessening the need for protective asseets. So in the Western side of Russia the Black Sea Fleet is gaining on importance, in a big way. In the Eastern side there is only one fleet and it is facing the rising China and many other significant powers in a region that holds a number of potential hot spots, so it makes sense to boost the Pasific fleet as well. Indeed, it seems to be happening.

    The Project 11356 frigates are pretty decent ships, but it is also clear that the Project 22350 is way superior. The Poliment-Redut, new sensors and new air defence missiles allow the Admiral Gorshkov-class to protect both itself and a group of ships in a much more convincing style, it also carries twice the offensive firepower and exhibits finer RCS reduction measures. At least one or two Project 22350 frigates, by 2020, for the BSF would also enhance the survivability and effectiveness of the six Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates, so I absolutely hope that the BSF gets them. The current sorry shape of the BSF is no argument against the Project 22350 frigates, as the 6 new frigates and 6 new Kilos alone won't make the fleet exactly a world-beater. One has to remember that there are at the moment only 2 combat ships(Moskva and Alrosa), that have any business being in service beyond 2015. The Project 11356 and the improved improved Kilos exists pretty much just as a last-ditch effort to save the BSF from an imminent disappearance.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 21, 2013 11:23 am

    I agree on many points but think the Russians plan a rather large expansion of their arctic resources, which means the Northern Fleet will need to remain a focus. I think they will be able to set up small coastal settlements using new floating nuclear reactor ships to provide electricity and fresh water and of course heat to a small isolate community...


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  TheRealist on Tue May 21, 2013 2:32 pm

    My friends, I hope you can clarify this but it would seem that the Ukrainian government is playing hard ball with the modernization of the Black Sea Fleet and given that the Ukrainian leadership has moved to orient themselves towards the EU which can possibly pose a threat to Russian interest in the Crimean and possible NATO and EU expansion. I am very worried about these development.

    Another thing is that Russia is focus now in the Novorossiysk naval base, which seems to me is a possible alternate basing site for BSF assets, even if Admiral Chirkov said that Sevastopol will still be the main HQ for the BSF.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Thu May 29, 2014 8:47 pm

    The first of 6 Kilo class submarines built for Black sea fleet went to sea factory trials

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:08 pm

    Rostov-on-Don submarine launched for Russian Black Sea Fleet

    A launching ceremony for the Rostov-on-Don (Project 636) diesel electric submarine built for the Russian Black Sea Fleet took place at Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg on June 26, a Russian Defense Ministry source told Interfax-AVN. "Six submarines of this project will be built for the Black Sea Fleet within the next two years.

    Russian Navy main command expects that the revival of the combat potential of the Black Sea Fleet's submarine forces should enable it to fully perform its duties in its area of responsibility," he said. Russian Navy Deputy Commander Vice Adm. Alexander Fedotenkov took part in the ceremony.

    30 new warships to be delivered to Russia's Black Sea Fleet in next 6 years

    Russia's Black Sea Fleet will get about 30 new warships in the next six years, Navy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Chirkov said on Saturday, June 21. "The Black Sea Fleet will receive six Project 636 submarines by 2016 and the first of the six Project 1135.6 escort ships in 2015. The Fleet will also get six Project 22160 patrol boats for patrolling territorial waters and the 200-mile exclusive economic zone, escorting ships at sea and protecting naval bases and water areas to warn about enemy attacks," he said.

    On June 27, the Russian Navy will be joined by a new-generation mine countermeasures vessel (Project 12700) designed by the Almaz Design Bureau and built by the Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard. The vessel is intended for finding and destroying mines near naval bases at safe distances. "Three more such ships will be built shortly," Chirkov said.

    The Navy will also acquire four fast-speed Raptor patrol boats complete with the most up-to-date control systems and intended for landing and assault missions. "The Navy expects to receive more than 50 ships and support vessels before the end of the year," he said.

    Chirkov said earlier this week that the Black Sea Fleet was "obsolete beyond reason and we now have the opportunity to stop its aging and upgrade underground and surface forces in order to be able to carry out our missions effectively in the Black and Mediterranean Seas".

    The leading ship of the series, Admiral Grigorovich, was launched on March 14 and will be handed over to the Navy by the end of the year. The shipyard is also building four other frigates. The ships have been designed by the Northern Design Bureau.

    The Black Sea Fleet is carrying out an ambitious rearmament programme to upgrade its capabilities in Crimea. However, the United Shipbuilding Corporation said that the construction of six Project 11356 escort ships for the Russian Black Sea Fleet would be completed in 2017, a year later than was initially scheduled.

    Up to date, five of the six ships have been laid down at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad. Its spokesperson Sergei Mikhailov said to ITAR-TASS that the delay happened to be due to the fact that the construction of the sixth frigate would begin later than was planned. He did not mention when exactly this would happen.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_26/Rostov-on-Don-submarine-launched-for-Russian-Black-Sea-Fleet-9685/

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:51 pm

    Black Sea Fleet’s Proficiency Quintuples in 2014 – Russian Ministry of Defense

    MOSCOW, July 31 (RIA Novosti) - The combat proficiency of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Flotilla has increased fivefold since the beginning of the year, the press service of the Southern Military District said Thursday.

    “Since the beginning of the year the Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Flotilla have held 12 exercises. Last year the same period of time saw nine such exercises. The combat training rate has increased five times. The number of battle exercises, including missile and gun firing, has increased and been carried out together with air and ground forces,” the press service said.

    The number of military exercises increased 1.5 times, which included 15 missile firing exercises, about 180 gun practices, and more than 15 shelling exercises.

    In March 2014, Crimea and Sevastopol, as a result of a referendum, became part of the Russian Federation. NATO has condemned Russia’s actions and said it would respond with counter-measures.

    In July, NATO brought nine ships to the Black Sea, which is the largest number of NATO ships in the region for the past decade.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:23 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry places first order for helicopter repairs in Sevastopol

    SEVASTOPOL, August 06. /ITAR-TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry on Wednesday placed the first order for helicopter repairs in Sevastopol.

    “This is not a large order but it will be followed by another two... the government is considering placing more contracts at the plant,” Sevastopol’s acting Governor Sergei Menyailo said, adding that the first order was estimated at 35 million roubles.

    The Sevastopol plant will repair Black Sea Fleet helicopters which previously were repaired in other Russian regions.

    “We will have to develop new forms of cooperation. In the past we worked with Ukrainian enterprises, directly with the manufacturers. But government defence contracts will require stricter regulation,” Alexei Tolmachev, director of the Sevastopol aviation plant, said.

    The plant used to fulfill mainly foreign orders through a Ukrainian defence export agency. Now it will repair two Croatian helicopters and a Vietnamese one under direct contracts.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:07 pm

    Russia Navy to receive new submarine for Black Sea Fleet

    MOSCOW, August 08. /ITAR-TASS/. Project 636.5 Varshavyanka head diesel-electric submarine Novorossiysk produced for Russian Black Sea Fleet will be handed over to the country’s Navy on August 28, a high-ranking source in the military and industrial sector told ITAR-TASS on Friday.

    “A festive St. Andrew naval flag-hoisting ceremony will be held abroad Novorossiysk at the Admiralty Wharfs in the city of St. Petersburg on August 28,” the high-placed military source said.

    He recalled that this submarine would be put on trials at Northern Fleet’s deep-water ranges after it is taken into naval service, before being sent to a naval base on the Black Sea coast.

    Novorossiysk was laid in August 2010. Submarines of this project belong to the third generation developed by St. Petersburg-based Design Bureau of Marine Engineering Rubin and considered to be noise lowest in the world and have a higher combat capability than submarines of previous projects. Varshavyanka project submarines are upgraded fundamentally especially for Russian Navy provided with missile and torpedo weaponry, radioelectronic and hydroacoustic equipment.

    Submarines of this project has a surface speed of 20 knots (37 kph), maximum submersion of around 300 metres, can go on autonomous sailing of 45 days, has a crew of 52 and underwater displacement of around four thousand tonnes.

    The fifth and sixth submarines are to be laid down in October - November this year, for the 310th anniversary of Admiralty Shipyard. The submarines will be named Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino.

    Admiralty Shipyard Director General Aleksandr Buzakov said previously that this year the enterprise should deliver to the Russian Navy three submarines of Project 636.3 - Novorossiysk, Rostov-on-Don and Stary Oskol.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:52 am

    Russian Navy Launches First Varshavyanka-Class Sub for Black Sea Fleet

    MOSCOW, August 12 (RIA Novosti) – The first in the series of six Varshavyanka-class diesel-electric submarines, built for Crimea-based Black Sea Fleet, will be put in service with the Russian Navy on August 22, a Navy spokesman said on Tuesday.

    “On August 22, St. Andrew's flag of the Russian Navy will be raised on diesel-electric submarine Novorossiisk at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg,” Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo said.

    According to the spokesman, the submarine is currently undergoing the second testing phase in the Baltic Sea and will soon arrive at the Admiralty Shipyards.

    Construction of the Novorossiisk submarine started in August 2010, followed by the Rostov-on-Don sub in November 2011, the Stary Oskol in August 2012, and the Krasnodar in February 2014.

    The much-anticipated delivery of these submarines, dubbed by the US Navy as “black holes in the ocean” because they are nearly undetectable when submerged, is a key part of Russia’s naval strategy in the Mediterranean, where Moscow has recently deployed a permanent task force consisting of some 10 surface ships.

    The Varshavyanka-class (Project 636.3) is an improved version of the Kilo-class submarines and features advanced stealth technology, extended combat range and the ability to strike land, surface and underwater targets.

    These submarines are mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine missions in relatively shallow waters.

    The vessels, crewed by 52 submariners, have an underwater speed of 20 knots, a cruising range of 400 miles (electric propulsion) with the ability to patrol for 45 days. They are armed with 18 torpedoes and eight surface-to-air missiles.

    The Russian Black Sea Fleet has not received new submarines for decades and currently operates only one boat – the Kilo-class Alrosa, which joined the Navy in 1990.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:51 am

    Sevastopol, where Russia's Black Sea Fleet is based, is situated on the Crimean Peninsula, a former Ukrainian region that recently joined Russia

    MOSCOW, September 09. /ITAR-TASS/. During drills to train to carry out combat tasks, the Russian Black Sea Fleet’s coastal missile units and naval aircraft on Tuesday practiced firing on sea targets simulating a vessel strike group of a hypothetical aggressor, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    “Missile fire on surface targets located at the sea range to the southwest of Sevastopol was delivered by the Bastion cutting-edge mobile coastal defense missile system,” the ministry said.

    “Simultaneously with the missile men, the training targets… came under a missile and bombing raid by four Su-24 [NATO reporting name: Fencer] aircraft of the Black Sea Fleet’s naval aviation,” it said.

    According to objective control data, all missile and bomb strikes hit the targets, the ministry said, adding that the military exercises involved 15 vessels, over 10 aircraft and helicopters and coastal missile units.

    Violent anti-government protests, which started in Ukraine in November 2013 when the country’s then-president suspended the signing of an association agreement with the European Union to study the deal more thoroughly, resulted in a coup in February 2014.

    Crimea refused to recognize the coup-imposed authorities in Kiev and seceded from Ukraine to reunify with Russia in mid-March 2014 after some 60 years as part of Ukraine.

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    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:08 am

    September 8, 2014. Channel TVC. Russia, Republic of Crimea, Novofedorivka AFB. Return to NITKA complex.


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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:46 pm

    George1 wrote:September 8, 2014. Channel TVC. Russia, Republic of Crimea, Novofedorivka AFB. Return to NITKA complex.


    SU-33s in Crimea?

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  zg18 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:19 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:SU-33s in Crimea?

    Yeah , Soviet Union built NITKA complex near Saki that simulates landing and take off on aircraft carriers. It was a source of dispute between Kyiv and Moscow , so Russian Federation built an analogue near Yeysk. Now they have two such complexes , in Saki are Su-33s and in Yeysk MiG-29Ks.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:04 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:SU-33s in Crimea?

    Yeah , Soviet Union built NITKA complex near Saki that simulates landing and take off on aircraft carriers. It was a source of dispute between Kyiv and Moscow , so Russian Federation built an analogue near Yeysk. Now they have two such complexes , in Saki are Su-33s and in Yeysk MiG-29Ks.

    Then how many Sukhois are there because most of them are stationed near Murmansk or am i wrong?

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  zg18 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:36 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Then how many Sukhois are there because most of them are stationed near Murmansk or am i wrong?

    This are Su-33s from Murmansk , they are flown from their standard base to Crimea NITKA to practice carrier borne operations. After practices they go back home.

    Naval aviation Su-30SM in new Yeysk NITKA complex (Kuban Black sea region , close to original base at Crimean Saki)

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/991868.html

    If you`re interested just type "Ейск НИТКА" or "Cаки НИТКА" on Google , you`ll get plenty of results.

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:10 am

    zg18 wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:Then how many Sukhois are there because most of them are stationed near Murmansk or am i wrong?

    This are Su-33s from Murmansk , they are flown from their standard base to Crimea NITKA to practice carrier borne operations. After practices they go back home.

    Naval aviation Su-30SM in new Yeysk NITKA complex (Kuban Black sea region , close to original base at Crimean Saki)

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/991868.html

    If you`re interested just type "Ейск НИТКА" or "Cаки НИТКА" on Google , you`ll get plenty of results.

    Thanks for the info thumbsup

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    Re: Future of the Black Sea Fleet

    Post  Viktor on Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:07 pm

    Damn good article thumbsup

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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:54 am

    Russia's Black Sea Fleet to Receive New Frigate, Two Subs by 2015: Navy Commander

    MOSCOW, October 6 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Black Sea Fleet will commission an Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate and two Varshavyanka-class diesel electric submarines by the end of 2014, Navy Commander-in-Chief, Adm. Viktor Chirkov, said Monday.

    "The Black Sea Fleet will receive two out of six Varshavyanka-class boats by the end of the year...In addition, we are planning to raise the flag on the first out of six Project 1135.6 frigates by the same time," Chirkov said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

    Crimea-based Black Sea Fleet is expected to commission all six frigates and six submarines by 2018, according to the Defense Ministry.

    Chirkov said the new vessels would be able to undertake both solo and group missions. He added that the warships could be deployed in and outside the Black Sea, for instance as part of a large navy unit deployed permanently in the Mediterranean Sea. There are also plans to use them for anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden.

    A further six support vessels are to be commissioned by the year’s end to enable the stable maintenance of the Navy’s new fleet of frigates and submarines.

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    Post  partizan on Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:09 pm

    Viktor wrote:Damn good article  thumbsup

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