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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:09 am

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:59 pm

    WoW ..... great  thumbsup 

    Russia to supply $2 bln worth of armaments to Egypt - newspaper


    And already in motion.

    The source told the newspaper "the deliveries and payments will be done in two stages, the first of which will be completed before the middle of 2014."
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:01 pm

    MiG may have found its lifeline.
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  mack8 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:15 pm

    What could it be, MiG-35 or Su-30/35, S-300, Buk-M2E, Tor-M2E, Kornet-E/EM, Mi-17 and/or maybe even attack helos (Mi-28/Ka-52)? Very Happy Too good to be true, $2 billion is not enough money to buy all that, the question is, if this is true, what will they get from that list?
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:10 am

    Post No. 91 - air defense deals are reported to be signed.

    This could be the follow on deal they said are being discussed. Anyway, we have to wait.
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:15 pm

    Gen.Sisi has left for Moscow .... I guess we might soon find out whats the deal about

    Egyptian defence minister leaves for first foreign trip after June 30 Revolution
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:11 pm

    This contract has huuuge potential.

    As reported after a trip to the Russian ministers in Cairo Egyptian military expert, retired Gen. Hussam Swale, programming arms deal between Moscow and Cairo will be about two billion dollars. According to the expert, Russia plans to supply Egypt analogues of the technology, which refused to provide in Washington. In particular, Swale said that Moscow promised to Cairo to deliver twenty-four MiG-29 fighters, air defense systems, anti-missile system'''' Cornet, combat helicopters Ka-25, Mi-28 and Mi-25.

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    - Mig-29
    - air defense
    - Kornet
    - Ka-xx
    - Mi-28
    - Mi-xx

    alone is to general to to costly. This could be way over reported 2 bin $.

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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:22 am

    Viktor wrote:This contract has huuuge potential.

    As reported after a trip to the Russian ministers in Cairo Egyptian military expert, retired Gen. Hussam Swale, programming arms deal between Moscow and Cairo will be about two billion dollars. According to the expert, Russia plans to supply Egypt analogues of the technology, which refused to provide in Washington. In particular, Swale said that Moscow promised to Cairo to deliver twenty-four MiG-29 fighters, air defense systems, anti-missile system'''' Cornet, combat helicopters Ka-25, Mi-28 and Mi-25.

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    - Mig-29
    - air defense
    - Kornet
    - Ka-xx
    - Mi-28
    - Mi-xx

    alone is to general to to costly. This could be way over reported 2 bin $.


    Egypt seems a little tight on money, so they could be getting surplus, 2nd hand gear.
    As for the $2 billion; this might be the amount that Egypt is ready to pay in cash, but the actual deal can be larger still, just with other payback options for the rest of the hardware.

    The MiG-29 types aren't specified. They could be new builds as Egypt has previously indicated interest in the MiG-29M/M2s, or they could be upgrades of older airframes like the MiG-29SMT. I heavily doubt that they would be something as expensive as the MiG-35s though; even the Saudis tighten their purse strings when it comes to funding the military modernisation of a foreign country.

    The Ka-25s and Mi-25s are confusing too. Why would they want Ka-25s? Doesn't sound like much a modernisation; this is an old helicopter. Where will they get them from? There is a company in Moscow that deals with rebuilding/refurbishing old Soviet helicopter models, quite successful from the sound of things - but Egypt will be better off going for the more modern Ka-27 series, if it's a naval helicopter they're after. Maybe this is a priority for them, who knows.
    The other possibility is that the Ka-52 has been confused with the Ka-25; but then this doesn't sound much more likely either - like I said; Egypt's not swimming in cash, and this article mentions 2 attack helicopters already as part of the deal.

    Now the Mi-25; this is an old helicopter too; it's heyday was in the 80s. I doubt there would be any new builds of them available. Why not go straight for the Mi-35s?
    Either the article mixed things up, or the Egyptians might be angling for a good deal by buying up Russian Mi-24Ds being withdrawn/in storage.
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:39 am

    2 bin $ is a speculation. How much money we dont know but what we know is that Saudi Arabia is giving its money and they have a lot. They already have 3 bin $ for Israel army, they

    are financing Morocco arms contracts and they already gave 15 bin $ to Egypt not to go bankrupt. They placed up to 50 bin $ in arms contracts to USA so who knows how much are we

    talking about. We will soon see but what is certain is that Egypt is not giving its own money so the contract is limited in value only with Saudi Arabia willingless to pay and that can be a lot.

    On the other hand no one knows what exactly Egypt plans to buy but those arms mentioned could be some guidelines.
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:40 am

    Actually these systems are not the most expensive systems... they might be selling them standard weapons to start off with....

    - Mig-29
    - air defense
    - Kornet
    - Ka-xx
    - Mi-28
    - Mi-xx

    The Mi-25 is a modest version of the Hind and the Mi-28 might be the Mi-28E rather than the night and all weather capable Mi-28NE, while the Ka-25 mentioned AFAIK is no longer in production... these might be purchases from Russian Military stocks rather than new production models... the Mig-29s could be Mig-29SMT, air defence could be old model systems like OSA and Strela-10M or even Tunguska-M1... and Kornet is not hugely expensive either.

    Either the article mixed things up, or the Egyptians might be angling for a good deal by buying up Russian Mi-24Ds being withdrawn/in storage.

    I agree and suspect the latter to be the case... Russia is in the process of replacing a lot of gear that is a little obsolete for them right now but would represent excellent value for money for Egypt now and form the basis for more purchases in the future... and perhaps even joint development for upgrades etc.


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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  TR1 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:29 am

    Mi-25 is export Mi-24D, long out of production, and completely outdated. Mi-24D airframes are also ancient, and Russia retired them long ago, so forget about them. No way Egypt is getting Falanga in 2014 in any case.
    Mi-35 baseline is the export Mi-24V while the Mi-35P is the export Mi-24P.

    Now they could very well be getting Mi-35Ps, some new ones were delivered to Peru so it is in production, but in all likeliness they are talking about all-weather Mi-35Ms.

    Mi-28E doesn't exist, the baseline Mi-28 never entered serial production.

    Ka-25 makes no sense either as you guys noted.
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:40 am

    Mi-28E doesn't exist, the baseline Mi-28 never entered serial production.

    Doesn't exist because there were no customers for it.

    In many ways it is a simple but better armoured and protected Mi-24 with the fire power of the upgraded models and a bigger gun.

    if they didn't want to spend a lot of money it would have more growth potential than an Mi-24 because with a bigger budget you could put all the night and all weather bits and bobs on it that make the Mi-28N.

    I rather suspect this is a first engagement... we turned to the US nipple so we can't just jump straight from theirs back to yours... first of all we don't have that much of a budget and second we have to earn your trust again, but we are prepared to travel that road and so we will take your cast offs and early model stuff to begin with but later we will want to buy more... perhaps with a loan.


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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  mack8 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:06 pm

    Come on guys, it's pretty clear it's just journalistic mistakes, probably the journo meant Ka-52, Mi-28 and Mi-35 (or perhaps he just meant Mi-24- wouldn't expect non-aviation folks to differentiate between different versions and designations of this helo).
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:40 pm

    Buying old wornout Mi-24D's that does sound very desperate to safe money just to have an armored attack helicopter.
    The D models all of them were never considered to have a future so they were never upgraded after the 80's only successor version the V had that privilege.
    They are not totally worthless but not good for todays battlefields either and Mi-35's aren't that expensive unless their budget is not more than 5 mln per bird.
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  mack8 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:56 am

    This article talks about a possible contract worth $3 billion for MiG-35, several types of SAMs, Mi-35 helos, anti-ship systems and lighter weapons.
    http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2014/0214/101022644/detail.shtml
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:56 pm

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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:54 pm

    Russia, Egypt Reach Initial $3 Bln Arms Deal – Report

    Egypt has reached an initial agreement on how to implement a new Russian arms delivery deal worth over $3 billion, Vedomosti newspaper reported Friday

    So the talk is in progres and nothing is signed yet as reported from interfax

    No arms deal with Egypt yet; work underway - source
    http://www.militarynews.ru/EMAIN.ASP

    but what is indicative is that contract is worth OVER 3 bin $

    @ahmedfire - what does Egypt newspapers say about the deal?
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:07 pm

    Viktor wrote:Russia, Egypt Reach Initial $3 Bln Arms Deal – Report

    Egypt has reached an initial agreement on how to implement a new Russian arms delivery deal worth over $3 billion, Vedomosti newspaper reported Friday

    So the talk is in progres and nothing is signed yet as reported from interfax

    No arms deal with Egypt yet; work underway - source
    http://www.militarynews.ru/EMAIN.ASP

    but what is indicative is that contract is worth OVER 3 bin $

    @ahmedfire - what does Egypt newspapers say about the deal?

    Here in Egypt the public opinion is comfortable for strengthening the relations (both military and economic relations ) with Russia , some newspapers are talking about Mig-29M2 ,kornet and SAM systems ,but i look to the biggest picture ,bringing Russia to the region again , a new ME is being reconstructed right now . Twisted Evil
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:28 pm

    Time for a change in avatar, ahmedfire  Twisted Evil 
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Time for a change in avatar, ahmedfire  Twisted Evil 

    Yeah  Twisted Evil 
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Anas Ali on Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:05 pm

    According to director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov, Egypt seeks to buy Russia’s air defense systems, including the Top-M2, Buk-M1 and Buk-M2, the Pantsir-S1 anti-air missile systems, the Khrizantema-S anti-tank vehicles and helicopters.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/719022

     Cool Cool  good deal but it seems there is no mig29m after all , maybe in the future  thumbsup 
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:50 am

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Russia, Egypt Reach Initial $3 Bln Arms Deal – Report

    Egypt has reached an initial agreement on how to implement a new Russian arms delivery deal worth over $3 billion, Vedomosti newspaper reported Friday

    So the talk is in progres and nothing is signed yet as reported from interfax

    No arms deal with Egypt yet; work underway - source
    http://www.militarynews.ru/EMAIN.ASP

    but what is indicative is that contract is worth OVER 3 bin $

    @ahmedfire - what does Egypt newspapers say about the deal?

    Here in Egypt the public opinion is comfortable for strengthening the relations (both military and economic relations ) with Russia , some newspapers are talking about Mig-29M2 ,kornet and SAM systems ,but i look to the biggest picture ,bringing Russia to the region again , a new ME is being reconstructed right now . Twisted Evil

    Back to the good old days when Egypt and Syria were the same country, and Pan-Arabism was being led by General Nasser. Sisi has to step up, keeping Egypt's govt. secular and putting the Qatar proxy Moslem Brotherhood in their place. We need a new Middle Eastern power alliance consisting of Egypt, Syria, Algeria, Tunisia and Iran with the help of Russia and China providing weapons, logistics, and intelligence. Sisi has to be the man to uphold the much needed bread subsidies and reject the IMF, he has to be a patriot like Nasser and not a sell out like Sadat.
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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:24 am

    I do share your views that ME needs a power to keep anglo-zionistic imperialism and decadence abroad and to reinforce multi-polarism rather than monopolarism in the world the US and Israel with its leashed dog seek for.
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    Su Pak-Fa to Egypt ?

    Post  nemrod on Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:30 pm


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/13/russia-egypt-arms-deal/5459563/


    Russia has offered to sell Egypt stealth aircraft, advanced fighters and special operations equipment, according to Defense News, ...

    Does it mean Su-Pak T-50 ? Advanced fighters mean Su-35 ? Moreover it is said the amount of the transaction could be about 10 billions $.
    I think, Su-35 could be the goal of this transaction, because since a long date Egypt tried to buy F-15, but the jewish lobby in USA opposed it, leaving Egypt with more of 200 F-16.

    If someone among you have more informations.




    Russia offers Egypt no-strings-attached arms deal

    Russia's proposed arms deal with Egypt and its endorsement of Egypt's military ruler's run for president are a signal to Arab rulers that, unlike the United States, Russia will back anti-terrorist strongmen who trample human rights, analysts say.

    "Our assistance comes with lectures on human rights and civil-military relations," says Jeffrey White, an analyst at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "With Russian assistance, you don't get those lectures."

    Egypt's army chief, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, was in Moscow to negotiate a $2 billion arms deal Thursday. During the visit, Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed his support for al-Sisi's political ambitions.

    "I know that you, Mr. defense minister, have decided to run for president of Egypt," Putin said, according to the BBC. "I wish you luck both from myself personally and from the Russian people."

    Al-Sisi said his visit "offers a new start" to the development of military and technological co-operation between the two countries, and that he hopes the relationship accelerates.

    The United States, Egypt's primary supplier of military goods since a 1979 peace agreement between Egypt and Israel, scaled back some of its aid last year in response to al-Sisi's ousting of Egypt's first democratically elected president. Egypt's military says it sided with millions of Egyptians who accused the Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Morsi of trying to implement a theocratic dictatorship.

    The military crackdown that followed has resulted in 2,500 deaths and more than 20,000 arrests since July, says Michele Dunne, an analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

    Yet the U.S. response angered Egypt's Arab allies in the Persian Gulf, who see the Brotherhood and its Islamist followers across the Middle East as a threat to their own regimes, and the rift has created an opening for Putin, Dunne said.

    "We're seeing Putin trying to step up Russia's game in foreign affairs, almost reviving a Cold War-type rivalry between Russia and the United States," always trying to step in where the United States seems wavering or ineffective," Dunne said.

    Russian policy has been similar in Syria, where Russia backs the regime of Bashar Assad in its slaughter of more than 130,000 of its rebellious citizens, Dunne said.

    Last summer, as President Obama wavered on his pledge to launch military strikes if Assad used chemical weapons, Putin stepped in with a diplomatic venture to round up and expel Bashar Assad's chemical stockpile.

    Obama abandoned his plan to hit Syria, agreed to work with Assad and angered his Sunni allies in the Gulf who back the mostly Sunni Syrian rebellion.

    Those soured relations with the Gulf monarchies also play a role in the Russia-Egypt arms deal, Dunne said.

    "Russia is not going to do what the United States does, which is give these weapons to Egypt" for free, Dunne said. "The only way there could be a new Russia-Egypt defense relationship is by Saudi and Gulf financing."

    The arms purchase is a Saudi "finger in the eye" of the United States, she said.

    While few details about the arms deal are available, the $2 billion price tag suggests "a significant arrangement" for major systems like aircraft or major air defenses, White said.

    Russia has offered to sell Egypt stealth aircraft, advanced fighters and special operations equipment, according to Defense News, which cited Theodore Karasik, director of research at the Institute of Near East and Gulf Military Analysis, a think tank in United Arab Emirates.

    Such arms sales typically include training packages, meaning Egyptian officers will travel to Moscow, "which could help (Russia) re-establish a solid connection with the Egyptian military," White said. "This is very significant I think," he said.

    Aaron David Miller, a former U.S. adviser to Republican and Democratic secretaries of State, says the importance of the $2 billion deal should not be overblown.

    The United States last year inked a $60 billion military package with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. And the U.S. has been reluctant to back reformist elements in Sunni-led Bahrain, home to the Navy's 5th fleet, where Saudi and Emirati forces helped quell a popular Shiite-majority protest movement in 2012. That shows the U.S. acquiescing to Gulf monarchy security concerns, Miller said.

    Despite Obama's stated goal to pivot to Asia, "the Middle East will be the center of U.S. focus for years to come because that's where the threat is," Miller said.

    Although Russia may gain a toehold, it won't replace the United States, he said. "We're still the most viable power in the region other than Iran."


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    Re: Russia - Egypt military contracts

    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:53 am

    The stealth aircraft might be UAVs like Skat or something similar... I doubt Russia would let Egypt have PAK FAs even for the whole 2 billion suggested.

    I rather suspect they will ease their way back with Mig-29Ms and lots of air defence vehicles and other bits and pieces.

    Perhaps AK12SNs might be on offer... that would be cool!


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