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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:08 am

    One question, how does it fare against Rafale as a swing-role fighter? Can you compare all attributes(BVR, WVR, strike: CAS, SEAD, DEAD, bombing etc) of both these planes?

    Hard to say... in terms of WVR and BVr air to air combat Rafale has Meteor but then the new AAMs being developed for the PAK FA will likely negate any advantage that might have bestowed on the Rafale... for instance the RVV-BD is a bog heavy missile but exceeds the practical range performance envelope of Meteor by a very large margin.

    the same can be said for air to ground weapons with the full range of air to ground weapons available to the Mig-35 with the exception of the FOABs... and the Kh-32.

    The Rafale seems to have a very good radar but the radar in the Mig isn't junk either, and the EO suite of the Mig-35 seems to be very impressive too.

    the avionics in the Mig-35 is likely to be the first stage 5th gen systems they will be working on for the new light 5th gen fighter which means future growth potential for the Mig onto a stealthy platform in the near future.

    Both could form the basis of a carrier based aircraft... though the rafale seems to require cats.
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    Post  Indian Flanker Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:49 am

    Thanks Garry for the detailed reply.

    BTW, the general elections in India will be held next month, and there are some rumours here that the next government may very well cancel the Rafale deal.

    That would be perfect time for Mig to cash in Very Happy
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    Post  Sujoy Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:38 pm

    CYBER ATTACK ON RUSSIA REVELS DETAILS ABOUT DEFENSE DEALS WITH INDIA


    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hackers-attack-russian-communication-systems-india-s-defence-dealings-compromised/article1-1192610.aspx


    A cyber attack on Russian communication systems by anonymous hackers on early Saturday morning has compromised India's defence dealings with Russia and raised serious concerns about a possible major security breach.

    Believed to have been carried out by an international group of anonymous hackers in retaliation to the last week's Russian invasion of Ukraine, the attack was detected by Indian technical intelligence agencies at about 4am on Saturday.

    Most of the leaked documents relate to India's dealings with Russia for the purchase, overhaul and repair of front-line fighter aircraft like the Sukhoi-30 MKI and the MiG-29.

    They include correspondence between Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), which makes the SU-30 and MiG-29 among other aircraft, and the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) which manufactures the aircraft under license in India.

    The offices of the defence ministry and national security advisor were alerted after the breach was detected, said an official familiar with the development.



    However, Bangalore-based HAL spokesperson Gopal Sutar told HT he couldn't comment because they had not been informed till Saturday evening. Sutar, however, confirmed that some of the documents mentioned by HT to him seemed authentic.

    Several letters written by UAC president M Pogosyan to HAL chairman RK Tyagi refer to a host of issues discussed during the 31st session of Indo-Russian Subgroup on Aviation (IRSA) held in New Delhi on February 20 this year. The IRSA is a sub-group of the Indo-Russian Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation.

    Some of these letters discuss the delays in finalising a contract between UAC and HAL for the RD-33 MK engines, which power the MiG-29 fighter aircraft.

    In one of the leaked communications, Pogosyan writes to Tyagi that the "reason for the delay in delivery documentation" is due to "too much time" being spent on discussing "the formula escalation."

    Obviously, this indicates that there are delays in the MiG-29 up gradation programme that is being negotiated between Russia and India. There is also a discussion on the AL-31 FP engines which power the SU-30 MKI and are particularly made for the Indian variant of the fighter aircraft.

    Pogosyan writes that he "agree(s) this project causes great concern."

    There is also a great deal of discussion in setting up Repair and Over Haul (ROH) facilities for the SU-30 MKI, which has been delayed due to indecision on the deputation of Russian specialists. Pogosyan admits that the delays are due to the disagreements between Russia and India on the "financial aspect of reimbursement rates for 2014".

    However, he assures Tyagi that he is ready to continue with their commitments for the continuous overhaul of the SU-30 MKIs until the problem is resolved.


    The other documents that have been leaked are details of visa applications for Russian specialists to India and Indian engineers from HAL travelling to Moscow. One of the documents has also been signed by Group Captain Ashutosh Lal, air attaché with the embassy of India in Ukraine on December 12, 2013.

    Most of the other documents are Letters of Credit (LoC) that have been issued by the Avionics Division of HAL to their Russian counterparts so that critical orders can be processed. Some of these LoCs are to the tune of $ 1.6 million. Indian security experts are examining the leaked data to gauge the extent of the breach since most of this communication is considered secret.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:29 am

    Hardly damaging... it is not like both were conspiring to spy on the whole world or whatever...

    nor is it exposing any illegal activity.
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    Post  Indian Flanker Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:58 am

    Indian Air Force is really adament on procuring Rafale. So, now I don't think IAF is going to order Mig-35 under any condition(even if a new regime comes to power).

    On the contrary the Mig-29K of the navy absolutely look gorgeous and fabulous. And apparently Indian Navy is happy with this aircraft. Who knows they may order Mig-35 in future instead of naval Rafale version that is planned!
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    Post  Sujoy Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:05 am

    India, Russia to ink deal for anti-tank ammunition

    FirstPost wrote:India is expected to sign a deal with Russia to procure 66,000 Mango anti-tank shells to meet the shortfall of critical ammunition faced by its armoured fleet including the latest T-90 tanks. The Cabinet Committee on Security headed by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh recently cleared the proposal to acquire 66,000 tank shells from Russia and the deal in this regard is expected to be inked in next few days, defence ministry sources told PTI.

    Under the deal, Russia will also do transfer of technology on the production techniques of the specialised tank ammunition to the Ordnance Factory Board, which will produce it indigenously, they said. Faced with shortage of weapon systems, the defence ministry has decided to form JVs with the Russian manufacturers to produce them in India like the rockets for the Smerch multi-barrel rocket launcher systems. The severe shortage of tank ammunition was first highlighted by former Army Chief General VK Singh in a top secret letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in March this year which later found its way to the media. Gen Singh had pointed out in his letter that only three to four days of this particular ammunition was left in the inventory of the armoured regiments.

    Later on, the Army had also informed the Standing Committee on Defence about the shortage and how the situation had worsened by the recent blacklisting of its supplier Israeli Military Industry (IMI).

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/india-russia-to-ink-deal-for-anti-tank-ammunition-1448467.html?utm_source=hp-footer
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    Post  Indian Flanker Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:18 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    SOC wrote:Are they buying the FLANKERs outright, or is this an addition to the license contract for Nasik?

    The technology to manufacture Super Sukhois ( nose-mounted AESA-based MMR & wing-mounted L-band AWESA T/R modules, plus an uprated AL-31FP turbofan with 20% more thrust than what is available now , underbelly-launched BrahMos-1 among others )do not exist in Nashik so they will have to come from Russia. This is the first order for Super Sukhois . A 100 more Super Sukhois will be purchased in tranches . As of now it is expected that the remaining 100 will be manufactured in Nashik.
    What I've read is that out of the 42 flankers, 18 are to be made in Irkut and other remaining at Nasik.

    And these are not Super Sukhois, they are just normally upgraded Flankers (with better NO11M Bars performance etc.).


    I don't think we'll see any Super Sukhoi until the AESA technolgy on T-50 completely matures.(don't think HAL will go for Mig-35's AESA version).
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    Post  Indian Flanker Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:08 am


    India, Russia sign `2,600 crore deal for anti-tank ammunition - Livemint

    India, Russia sign 2,600 crore deal for anti-tank ammunition

    New Delhi: India has signed a deal worth over 2,600 crore with Russia to procure 66,000 anti-tank shells to meet the shortfall of critical ammunition faced by its armoured fleet including the latest T-90 tanks.
    The two sides signed the deal on 27 March for the supply of anti-tank shells to the Army and agreement in this regard was inked by defence ministry officials from India and Rosoboronexport officials from the Russia side, defence ministry officials said.
    The cabinet committee on security headed by the Prime Minister had recently cleared the proposal to acquire Mango 66,000 tank shells from Russia, they said.

    Under the deal, Russia will also undertake transfer of technology on the production techniques of the specialized tank ammunition to the Ordnance Factory Board, which will produce it indigenously, they said.

    Faced with shortage of weapon systems, the defence ministry has decided to form JVs with the Russian manufacturers to produce them in India like the rockets for the Smerch multi-barrel rocket launcher systems.
    The severe shortage of tank ammunition was first highlighted by former Army chief Gen V.K. Singh in a top secret letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in March this year which later found its way to the media.
    Gen Singh had noted in his letter that only three to four days of this particular ammunition was left in the inventory of the armoured regiments. Later on, the Army had also informed the standing committee on defence about the shortage and how the situation had worsened by the recent blacklisting of its supplier Israeli Military Industry (IMI).

    http://www.livemint.com/Politics/fGIoQljH29VUH2DklpTl0I/India-Russia-sign-2600-crore-deal-for-antitank-ammunitio.html
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    Post  collegeboy16 Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:01 am

    hmm, against most of the enemy armor mango will do just fine tho maybe not against t-80.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:10 pm

    Now this is a mighty firepower  thumbsup 


    FGFA will carry 2 x Brahmos-M missiles

    MiG-29K will carry 2 x Brahmos-M missiles

    Su-30MKI will carry 3 x Brahmos-M missiles


    Brahmos-M

    - 6m long
    - 0.5m diameter
    - Mach 3.5
    - 290km range



    India’s Air Force to get 40 strike fighters with BrahMos missiles


    KUALA LUMPUR, April 16, /ITAR-TASS/. India’s Air Force will get 40 SU-30MKI strike fighters armed with a smaller version of BrahMos missiles, Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace President Sivathanu Pillai told ARMS-TASS at the international arms exhibition DSA-2014 in Kuala Lumpur on Wednesday, April 16.

    The company is working to reduce the weight of the missile so that it could be integrated with different platforms, including the fifth-generation fighter India is creating together with Russia, he said.

    Pillai noted that the commissioning of the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier complete with deck-based MiG-29K/KUB jet fighters required accelerated work to arm them with a smaller version of the BrahMos missile so that the aircraft could take off from the carrier with two missiles under their wings.

    While the fifth-generation jet fighter and MiG-29K/KUB aircraft can be armed with two BrahMos-M missiles, the Su-30MKI strike fighters can carry three such missiles. The latter aircraft will be modernised to take and fire the missiles. The Indian Air Force has already made the relevant decision.

    Pillai hopes that the first ship-based version of the BrahMos missile will be fired in the fourth quarter of this year from a SU-30MKI jet fighter.

    The missile will be 6 metres long and have a diameter of 0.5 metres. It will be able to travel at a speed 3.5 times the sound velocity and carry a charge of 200 to 300 kg over a maximum distance of up to 290 km. The BrahMos missiles that have been tested up to date are two-stage cruise missiles 10 meters long and 0.7 metres in diameter.

    The BrahMos supersonic cruise missile was successfully test fired from the Indian Navy's newest guided missile frigate INS Tarkash off the coast of Goa in late May 2013.
    The missile performed high-level “C” manoeuvre at pre-determined flight path and successfully hit the target. The surface-to-surface missile, having a range of 290-km, was test launched from the Russian-built Project 1135.6 class warship.

    BrahMos cruise missiles have been adopted by India’s Army and the Navy's surface ships. The Indian Air Force has also ordered a batch of land-based missiles. Work is also underway to adapt the missile to Su-30MKI planes used by the Indian Air Force.

    BrahMos is an acronym of the two rivers: Brahmaputra in India and Moskva in Russia.
    When visiting the headquarters of the Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace Limited that makes supersonic cruise missiles, the chief of the Russian Army General Staff said that the joint venture made reliable missiles that have few matches in the world.

    The joint venture has designed a new version of the supersonic cruise missile of the same name that can be launched from submarines.
    The missiles are intended for use aboard the Scorpion-type submarine, for which the Indian Navy has placed orders in France.

    The Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos has designed a new version of the supersonic cruise missile of the same name that can be launched from submarines.
    The BrahMos missile has a flight range of up to 290 kilometres and is capable of carrying a conventional warhead of 300 kilograms. The missile can cruise at a maximum speed of 2.8 Mach.


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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:10 pm

    Brahmos-2 that is now under development is a very major product. If the specifications are correct it will be a hell of a weapon.
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    Post  Viktor Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:26 pm

    Whats going on here ? Anyone knew about this?

    India will pay for Russian arms to be supplied to Afghanistan


    The Indian financing for Afghanistan will largely focus on artillery guns, air support in the form of choppers and even armoured vehicles, including tanks, the Indian Express added
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:37 am

    I don't know but suspect they are Russian produced weapon types so they will be useful to the Afghan forces, but will be paid for by India so that when they receive the weapons perhaps India will have some say in who gets what.

    Perhaps it is to give India a way of showing Afghanistan that they don't have to rely on Pakistan, or as a counter to Pakistani influence...
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    Post  Austin Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:12 am

    Reason is Indian Leadership are shit scared of Arming the Afghans that would be viewed in Pakistan as hostile act and in turn they make life difficult for India by arming terrorist.

    Russia has good relationship with India and Pakistan so Russian arms with Indian money to Afghanis wont be considered as hostile act by Pakistanis.
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    Post  Sujoy Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:30 am

    Viktor wrote:Whats going on here ? Anyone knew about this?

    India will pay for Russian arms to be supplied to Afghanistan


    The Indian financing for Afghanistan will largely focus on artillery guns, air support in the form of choppers and even armoured vehicles, including tanks, the Indian Express added

    Afghanistan had asked India to supply some weapons immediately .

    So what the leadership in New Delhi did is they contacted the Rosoboronexport Delhi office and asked them to supply the weapons that the Afghans need and bill it to New Delhi .

    This will help in two ways . First , the Afghans have already been using Soviet military hardware for over 35 years , so they will need little or no training in using them . Moscow & New Delhi are building an MRO facility in Afghanistan . So whenever needed the hardware exported by Rosoboronexport can always be overhauled at this facility .

    http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/india-russia-to-revive-arms-maintenance-factory-in-afghanistan/1205584/

    Second , the defense industry in India is still in it's infancy . They cannot even meet the requirements of the Indian armed forces so to expect them to export to Afghanistan is a bridge too far . Private defense contractors in India are not allowed to export weapons . Also , Afghan soldiers would have to be trained to use military hardware designed in India like the HAL Rudra for example . Maybe in the long run India will export to Afghanistan but as of now purchasing weapons from Rosoboronexport on behalf of Afghanistan is the best possible thing that New Delhi can do .
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    Post  Austin Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:12 pm

    I doubt the Indian leadership will ever show courage to stand up to Pakistan by actively supporting Afghanistan in Military matter which can be termed by Pakistan as unfriendly.

    After all Pakistan responded in kind by bombing Indian Embassy as a warning to stop military air to Afghanistan and we know later that it was done by ISI.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:12 pm

    Austin wrote:I doubt the Indian leadership will ever show courage to stand up to Pakistan by actively supporting Afghanistan in Military matter which can be termed by Pakistan as unfriendly.

    After all Pakistan responded in kind by bombing Indian Embassy as a warning to stop military air to Afghanistan and we know later that it was done by ISI.


    What's the point of doing this? By creating conflict you maintain the passions preserving the break up.
    India made a huge step by resolve Pakistan from Bangladesh. Now should give everything to prosper and be a row model in the region and slowly but surely patronize Bangladesh.
    Then Pakistan will follow. Pakistan will never develop alone. Basically India already has hundreds of millions of Muslim Hindus. Only the stupidity of the Pakistani's broke the unity and this shall be restored.  India should not keep approaching Pakistan as an enemy, India is a superpower on the making, she has only to lose by messing  with a backward country like Pakistan.
    Indians should understand that they don't play in the same league with. You should not conquer them but civilize them. This is the right attitude.
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:33 pm

    MiG-29 service centre to open in India in 2015


    A service centre for MiG-29 aircraft will be operational in India from next year, Sergei Korotkov, chief executive officer of Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) MiG told reporters.

    “This year we have already provided equipment for this onsite service centre, which was built as part of the agreement, and, starting next year, this service centre should operate in accordance with the contractual obligations that were taken by both sides,” Korotkov said.

    Itar-Tass had reported during the MAKS-2013 air show that MiG signed two additional agreements worth $55 million with India’s Basant Aerospace Private Limited as part of a general offset contract with Air India.

    The first contract (worth $43 million) provides for the establishment of a service centre in India for the restoration and repair of the Zhuk-ME airborne radar produced by Fazotron-NIIP. The second contract (of $12 million) involves the creation of a service centre for the repair of equipment for the upgraded aircraft MiG-29 in India.

    The centres will conduct refurbishment of airborne radar systems and aircrafts such as the MiG-29UPG and MiG-29K/KUB and will provide advisory services for the Air India technical staff. A MiG representative said the next step calls for the creation of a consignment warehouse for aircraft spare parts in India.


    http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1135352
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    Post  George1 Wed May 14, 2014 9:13 am

    Russia Ready to Continue Helicopter Supplies to India

    MOSCOW, May 13 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Helicopters company is ready to supply additional helicopters to India, Russia’s largest partner on military and technical cooperation, CEO Alexander Mikheyev told reporters Wednesday.

    “The Russian Helicopters joint stock company will be ready to continue the program on the supply of Russian helicopters to India under contracts with the state-controlled arms trader Rosoboronexport,” Mikheyev said.

    Responding to a question on Kamov Ka-52 helicopters being deployed on Mistral-class helicopter carriers currently being built for Russia by France, Mikheyev said that “the company is ready for this program.”

    About 250 Russian-made helicopters are now operating in India, according to the company. Russia has fulfilled its obligations under the contract for the supply of 80 military Mi-17V-5 transport helicopters, concluded between Rosoboronexport and India in 2008. Additional agreements for the supply of 71 more of the helicopters were made in 2012-2013.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:13 pm

    This is huge for both nations

    IAF’s Su-30 MKI may get radar upgrade
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:11 pm

    Croatian link but use google translator.

    It says that India govrenment is considering acquisition of only 80 Rafale because of price hike LINK
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    Post  Viktor Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:00 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    India asks Russia to upgrade two submarines
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    Post  Viktor Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:53 pm

    Hopefully  thumbsup 

    The second contract for Russian-Indian fighter can be signed in the near future
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    Post  Viktor Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:53 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    most probably related to huge problems regarding construction of French subs

    Indian Navy wants to buy Russia's two submarines of Project 677
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:41 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup 

    most probably related to huge problems regarding construction of French subs

    Indian Navy wants to buy Russia's two submarines of Project 677


    If that's true, and considering the Rafale deal souring, and considering the Mistral deal souring...could this be the death nail for the French arms industry?

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