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    Post  TR1 Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:45 pm

    Inviting India to check out Armata/Boomerang/Kurganets is what they should have done from the start, not go halfway with BMP-3.

    These armored vehicles are designed from the start to be modular, and considering how much easier it is to modify an IFV than a plane to the user's needs (no aerodynamics to worry about for one Wink ) India could very well ask and receive whatever changes it wants within a modest cost/time frame.

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    Post  Viktor Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:18 pm

    Interesting. After India canceled deals with AgustaWestland because of corruption

    India terminates AgustaWestland helicopter deal

    Indian delegation is in visit to Russia to buy some ViP helicopters  Very Happy 


    LINK  thumbsup attack 
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:14 pm

    And its official  Very Happy 

    India buys 12 ViP helicopters from Russia

    India chooses Russian helicopters for VVIPs

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    Post  TR1 Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:49 pm

    They are not buying anymore it looks like, just taking some of the Mi-17s ordered and using them for VIP purposes.
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    Post  Viktor Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:28 pm

    TR1 wrote:They are not buying anymore it looks like, just taking some of the Mi-17s ordered and using them for VIP purposes.

    You are right. But nevertheless its a nice steep forward instead of Italians.

    India is preparing huge modernization of T-72 taks

    "Uralvagonzavod" India will offer two versions of modernization of T-72
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    Post  Austin Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:52 am

    Russia Retains Dominance in India

    Russia Retains Dominance in India
    By Dr Nikolai Novichkov
    Issue:  Vol. 29.1 Jan-Mar 2014    | Date : 07 Feb , 2014



    Today, some 70% of India’s weapons and arsenals are manufactured in Russia. However, in recent years Russia’s military complex faces the stiffening competition on the part of foreign rivals, the US and Israel in the first place.

    India is our strategic partner with whom we have cooperated for over 50 years. Ours are very deep and confidential relations, materialized, among other things, in the transfer of high technologies.

    According to Alexander Fomin, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC), in 2013 India still remained Russia’s largest partner in military collaboration with foreign countries. “India is the principal consumer of our defense materiel both in general terms and in individual types of weapons. Last year, India was still our number one customer for defense products. By rough estimate, this makes up 30% of all of our military exports in terms of cost,” said A.Fomin.

    Assuring, in 2013, US$ 13 billion worth of arms sales, Rosoboronexport brought up the total of defense order portfolio to US$ 38.5 billion. Under the current contracts, each year it ships defense products to India worth around US$ 3 billion.

    “India is our strategic partner with whom we have cooperated for over 50 years. Ours are very deep and confidential relations, materialized, among other things, in the transfer of high technologies. We have been doing this for several decades now. With our assistance India has built many defense enterprises. Some technologies have been made available to our Indian partners literally 100% complete,” said the head of FSMTC. In his words, “it’s hard to find another instance of such partnership.”

    During Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to India in October 2013 and his talks with India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Russia and India agreed to expand cooperation in rocket engineering, naval technologies and weapon systems. Specifically, the parties pointed out the achievements in joint design, development and production of high-tech weapons and implementation of such projects as creation of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), multi-role transport aircraft (MTA) and BrahMos supersonic missile. Participants of the talks also welcomed the transfer to India in 2013 of the Russian-built Trigand frigate, the course of licensed production in India of the Su-30MKI aircraft and T-90S tanks, and the successful completion of trials of the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya.

    Putin and Singh pointed out that “the two countries’ traditionally close cooperation in defense matters is a key factor in the Russo-Indian partnership, showing the high level of trust between the two states.”

    On the eve of his visit to Russia, in an interview to the Russian journalists Mr. Singh revealed that India plans to finish as soon as possible the comprehensive engineering work on the joint projects to create the FGFA and MTA and start their series production. According to him, India regards those projects as milestones in the Indo-Russian military and technical cooperation. “They symbolize the transformation of our defense relations from the former “buyer-and-seller” status to the one that includes joint design, development and production of defense products,” said the Prime Minister.

    Some of the Russian exhibits are expressly designed for the Indian market and will be demonstrated in New Delhi for the first time.

    That is why the Russian defense enterprises actively participate in the DEFEXPO-2014 exhibition of land, naval and internal security systems. Some of the Russian exhibits are expressly designed for the Indian market and will be demonstrated in New Delhi for the first time.

    In particular, the most interesting Russian exhibits will include an upgrade package for the T-72 main battle tank (MBT). This will be presented by the Uralvagonzavod Corporation (UVZ). The T-72 tank is currently the most widely used tank in service with 40 odd countries across the globe. The T-72 tank modernization projects are a particularly pressing issue in the light of latest military conflicts taking place mainly in urban conditions.

    The UVZ offers two T-72 tank modernization projects which, following the implementation, make the machine into one of world’s best modern tanks. The first project envisions fitting the T-72 with a set of protection gear to ensure the crew’s survival in an urban warfare where anti-tank weapon systems, including radio-controlled mine obstacles, are employed.

    The upgraded T-72 MBT may be fitted with dedicated devices, including roadblocks and debris removing systems, for operation in a city. This enables the tank commander to fire from a protected machinegun mount. The auxiliary gear includes a modular set of ERA on the tank sides and turret, protection of the cabin type of the anti-aircraft machinegun mount (commander’s cabin), RP-377UVM1L remotely controlled explosives neutralization system, and TBS-86 bulldozer.

    The tank provides high firepower, superior agility and excellent protection. Installed on the tank are the 2A46M5 cannon and automatic loader that enable firing missiles to a range of up to 5 km. The gun-layer sight with an optical thermal imaging channel ensures a day-and-night operation of the machine in all weathers. The rangefinder measures the distance out to 7 km.
    The second project is the upgraded T-72 tank fitted with the Arena-E hard-kill active protection system (APS) giving the tank a 360 degree protection against anti-tank weapon systems, anti-tank grenade launchers, artillery shaped charge projectiles and anti-tank guided missiles, including those attacking the tank in an over-flight.

    Over recent years Russia and India ought to have realized that they must set up more joint ventures to develop and subsequently produce defense products.

    The DEFEXPO-2014 exhibition presents a new configuration of hard-kill APS enabling placement of the Arena-E on virtually all types of vehicles. This differs from the previous version of APS in that the onboard radar station is divided into several units placed so that it does not hamper the tank in performance of other duties. The new version of the Arena-E can be fitted on the T-72, T-72B, T-90 and other types of tanks.

    The UVZ makes the first presentation in India of its Terminator-2 BMPT-72 tank support vehicle. This is one of the T-72 upgrade versions. The machine is built using the undercarriages of the T-72 tanks now being withdrawn from service. The BMPT-72 machine can be built at the customers’ repair facilities with the use of upgrade packages supplied by the UVZ.

    The development of the BMPT-72 took into account the experience of creating and using the basic Terminator BMPT version. The Terminator-2, like its basic prototype, provides a high level of firepower, protection, and controllability by the commander. It can effectively perform the functions of fire support for tanks and infantry in all types of hostilities, in various climates and at all times of day and night. However, the BMPT-72 differs from the previous model in a number of aspects such as an improved fire control and orientation system; the first, on such tanks, protection of guided missile launchers against fragments and small arms; a provision for installation of a more powerful propulsion unit; as per customer request, the machine can be fitted with a 840 to 1,000 hp powerplant and communications systems of Russian or other country’s manufacture; the tank crew can be reduced to 3 men.

    The chief advantage of the BMPT-72 is that as a T-72 platform-based system it extends the machine’s service life and raises the land force’s operational capability at a minimum cost.

    The BMPT-72 combat weight is 44 tons. Mounted on the machine is a powerful automatic weapon system including two 2A42 30mm automatic cannons and the PKTM 7.62mm machine gun, twinned with them and enabling neutralization of lightly armored targets and manpower. Two twin launchers contain supersonic missiles capable of destroying highly protected targets in the entire firing range with a kill probability close to 100%.

    The automatic weapons are amply supplied with ammunition, up to 850 rounds for the cannons and 21,000 for the twin machinegun. All the remotely controlled weapons (automatic cannons, machinegun, and guided missiles) are placed on the superstructure outside the manned compartment. The automatic fire control system operates round the clock using a multi-channel sighting device ensuring a reliable detection, identification and destruction of targets.

    The UVZ makes the first presentation in India of its Terminator-2 BMPT-72 tank support vehicle. This is one of the T-72 upgrade versions.

    The Tula-based KBP Instrument Design Bureau from JSC NPO “High-Precision Weapons” presents for the first time in India its ADS automatic rifle capable of operating in two media. At present it has no analogues on the small arms market. The automatic rifle is designed on the bullpup principle. The key feature of this specimen of weapon is the ammunition it uses. The specialists of the Central Design and Research Bureau of Sporting and Hunting Weapons, a branch of the KBP, created a special underwater cartridge based on the standard 5.45×39 case denoted as PSP-UD. This is contained in the Kalashnikov rifle’s (as designed in 1974) standard 30-round magazine. The rifle can simultaneously fire all types of 5.45 mm munitions. Thus the KBP specialists resolved the problem of using the rifle in two media. For switching between the above- and underwater fire the weapon barrel has a special fire mode selector. The used cartridges are ejected forward through a short pipe on the right side of the barrel. Such a design decision is resorted to for the first time. This has reduced the gas accumulation in front of the rifleman’s face.
    The automatic rifle is fitted with the Picatinny rail for mounting various sights. Instead of the under-barrel grenade launcher it is possible to fit the Skat hydro-acoustic search and track system. The rifle has a set of on-barrel devices, including a general purpose noise reducer, blank cartridge firing device, and compensating flash-hider. In the future, it may be fitted with a laser target designator and tactical target searcher. Also, the ADS rifle has a 40 mm under-barrel grenade launcher capable of firing VOG-25 and VOG-25P grenades.

    The trigger has an automatic safety catch reliably protecting from a shot during the weapon fall. The under-barrel grenade launcher is fitted with a pendulum safety. The developers claim such safeties do not hamper effective firing with a diver’s gloves on. Thanks to a special weight distribution, whose centre is in the ADS handgrip area, the weapon can be fired one-handed.
    The underwater cartridge firing range is 40 m at a depth of 5 m, in above water conditions it is 500-600 m. PSD-UD rounds can be fired on land.

    Russia has made a great deal of progress in cooperation with India on developing and producing the BRAHMOS family of supersonic cruise missiles. Dr. A.Sivathanu Pillai, head of BrahMos Aerospace Company, believes Russia will outstrip its competitors in India by establishing joint enterprises here. “From the 1960s through the 1980 India fully depended on contracts with the USSR and on the transfer of Soviet technologies,” he said. “After the breakup of the Soviet Union, new rivals emerged here for Russia. Supplying their weapons and equipment, they will reduce the scope of the Russo-Indian defense cooperation.”
    According to him, “Over recent years Russia and India ought to have realized that they must set up more joint ventures to develop and subsequently produce defense products. The development of BRAHMOS cruise missiles successfully shows it could be done,” explained Pillai. “India and Russia are great friends. I’d rather say that Russia is a sole true friend of India. If we wish to maintain the former scale of defense cooperation, we must increase the number of joint ventures, especially those engaged in the development of high-technology products. This will enable Russia to outperform and leave behind its rivals in India.”
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    Post  Viktor Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:32 pm

    Russia helping India in carrier construction - it is really nice to see such advanced lvl of cooperation.


    Neva Design Bureau participates in the construction of the new Indian aircraft carrier project 71
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    Post  Sujoy Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:32 pm

    Viktor wrote:Russia helping India in carrier construction - it is really nice to see such advanced lvl of cooperation.


    Neva Design Bureau participates in the construction of the new Indian aircraft carrier project 71

    Yes, this is true . Yesterday I was speaking with individuals from Cochin Shipyard at Defense Expo in Delhi and they said exactly the same thing .

    BTW - Cochin also has a sizeable Russian population .
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    Post  Austin Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:51 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Russia helping India in carrier construction - it is really nice to see such advanced lvl of cooperation.


    Neva Design Bureau participates in the construction of the new Indian aircraft carrier project 71

    Yes, this is true . Yesterday I was speaking with individuals from Cochin Shipyard at Defense Expo in Delhi and they said exactly the same thing .

    BTW - Cochin also has a sizeable Russian population .
    what did you gather from defexpo can you share ?
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    Post  Sujoy Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:50 pm

    Austin wrote:what did you gather from defexpo can you share ?

    A ton of Press Releases and Brochures .

    Mostly spend time with Indian companies . Heard that Naval DPSUs have got some impressive contracts in Thailand and Mauritius .

    One interesting thing I noticed at the Rosoboronexport Pavilion was the presence of Gazprombank . This is probably an indication that given the liquidity crunch in India Russian banks can make easy availability of funds if India chooses Russian hardware .

    Gazprombank had no presence during DefExpo 2010 & 2012.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:54 am

    Nice  thumbsup 


    "Star" wants to take to repair two Indian submarine until June

    2 subs will be repaired and modernized in Russia and 2 more in India shipyard
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    Post  Viktor Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:28 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Russia has delivered 28 fighters to India modernized Sukhoi Su-30MKI under a contract in 2012, announced Wednesday in Singapore the President of the Russian Irkut Oleg Demchenko group.
    "We carry out the contract on the delivery of 42 fighter aircraft for the Indian Air Force. We have already delivered 28 fighters, it remains to provide the other 14 aircraft," said M.Demtchenko at the Singapore Airshow.

    Angola will be delivered 12 of the 18 Su-30K returned from India. The remaining six aircraft will be delivered to hunt another country.

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    What is the current number of Su-30 in Indian AF?
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    Post  Viktor Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:43 pm

    Almaz-Antey and one Indian company are modernizing Indian SA-8


    One of the promising areas of such cooperation is the execution of works to restore and extend the life of equipment, previously delivered in more than 50 countries. In particular, concern is now a project services to extend the life of the SAM missiles "AKM" , consisting on the Indian Air Force, which is carried out with the participation of one of the Indian companies.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:51 am

    Viktor wrote:What is the current number of Su-30 in Indian AF?

    170 SU 30 MKI in operation with Indian Air force .

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    Post  Viktor Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:56 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Viktor wrote:What is the current number of Su-30 in Indian AF?

    170 SU 30 MKI  in operation with Indian Air force .  



    Tnx Sujoy and thats how many Su-30MKI per year?
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:26 pm

    Viktor wrote:Tnx Sujoy and thats how many Su-30MKI per year?

    HAL is supposed to roll out 12 SU 30 MKI every year . However , till date they have fallen short of that target primarily because they were unable to fully absorb the technology till recently .
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:29 pm

    Looks like the head of Dassault group is in deep shit:

    French tycoon Dassault in custody for 'vote-buying'

    French industrialist and senator Serge Dassault, the billionaire manufacturer of fighter jets, was in custody Wednesday for alleged vote-buying in his former fiefdom south of Paris.

    The 88-year-old is suspected of buying votes in Corbeil-Essonnes, where he was mayor from 1995 to 2009.

    Dassault is ranked by Forbes magazine as the fourth richest man in France and the 69th richest in the world, with an estimated fortune of 13 billion euros ($18 billion).

    French judges suspect him of operating an extensive system of vote-buying which influenced the outcome of three mayoral elections in the Paris-area suburb of Corbeil in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

    Those votes were won either by Dassault or his successor and associate Jean-Pierre Bechter.

    Formal charges against Dassault now look inevitable, experts say.

    Allegations of bribing immigrants

    Bechter has already been charged, as has Cristela de Oliveira, a former official in the mayor’s office suspected of giving council flats to families in exchange for supporting Dassault or Bechter.

    Dassault heads the Dassault Group, which owns the country’s main conservative daily newspaper, Le Figaro, and holds a majority stake in Dassault Aviation, which makes business and military aircraft (including the Rafale fighter jet).

    A member of former president Nicolas Sarkozy’s UMP party, Dassault admits using his vast personal wealth to help residents of Corbeil, but denies any payouts were made in return for votes.

    But at least two men who claim to have been paid by Dassault to help organise the alleged vote buying have described an efficient electoral machine which targeted poorer families from immigrant backgrounds.

    In return for casting their ballots for Dassault or Bechter, residents were promised help with paying for driving lessons and finding subsidised housing.

    In addition to vote-buying, Dassault could be charged with money laundering and misuse of public assets. Those charges are serious enough to warrant prison time.

    In 1998, Dassault received a two-year suspended prison sentence in Belgium for bribing members of the country’s Socialist Party in order to secure an army helicopter contract in what became known as the “Agusta scandal”.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20140219-french-senator-tycoon-serge-dassault-custody-vote-buying-france/


    I wonder if Mr. Dassault bribed Indian generals in to buying the overpriced Rafale?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:09 am

    Almaz-Antey and one Indian company are modernizing Indian SA-8

    Would be interesting to see them design an ARH seeker in MMW radar frequencies for older missiles to create fire and forget weapons as a surprise from older equipped armed forces.

    AFAIK the Russians still have a lot of OSA systems in service and a few missiles with ARH seekers would greatly increase performance without hugely increasing the cost. Brimstone and radar Hellfire already use small active radar MMW radar seekers in a mass produced relatively cheap form so it would not be that expensive and would raise the performance of some old systems by adding a few fire and forget models to each vehicle.

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    Post  Indian Flanker Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:21 am

    I still think, India should cancel Rafale deal and order around 200+ Mig-35s. My only concern is how good of an Strike-fighter Mig-35 would be. Looking at its designation (35), it looks to be more of a dogfighter than an aircraft fit for CAS role.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:26 pm

    The model of the Mig-35 shown last year at the Indian air show had a Mig-35 with 2,000 litre fuel tanks on its inner wings, which suggests payloads heavier than KAB-1500s could be carried.

    That suggests to me that all the Club missiles (land attack, anti ship subsonic and supersonic and the anti sub torpedo delivery missiles) should be compatible.

    All the brand new weapons developed for the PAK FA will also likely be compatible except the really heavy stuff.

    With modern precision weapons big heavy weapons are now needed for only very specific roles, so fuel tanks, a couple of guided missiles or bombs and 4-6 AAMs should be enough for any strike aircraft.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:05 am

    Indian Flanker wrote:I still think, India should cancel Rafale deal and order around 200+ Mig-35s. My only concern is how good of an Strike-fighter Mig-35 would be. Looking at its designation (35), it looks to be more of a dogfighter than an aircraft fit for CAS role.

    I feel differently.

    I think India needs to order neither, bite the economic pill and accept falling fighter numbers, put anything saved (and allowed for by budget) into getting Tejas Mk2 out faster, as well as FGFA.

    That or increase % of GDP spent on the mil, but it doesn't look like that will be a popular option.
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    Post  collegeboy16 Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:06 am

    Indian Flanker wrote:I still think, India should cancel Rafale deal and order around 200+ Mig-35s. My only concern is how good of an Strike-fighter Mig-35 would be. Looking at its designation (35), it looks to be more of a dogfighter than an aircraft fit for CAS role.
    Not to mention it doesnt cost like a large fighter while at it. Also, Brahmos and other goodies are already in mind when Mig-35 is made while you still have to negotiate with Rafale.
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    Post  Indian Flanker Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:47 am

    GarryB wrote:The model of the Mig-35 shown last year at the Indian air show had a Mig-35 with 2,000 litre fuel tanks on its inner wings, which suggests payloads heavier than KAB-1500s could be carried.

    That suggests to me that all the Club missiles (land attack, anti ship subsonic and supersonic and the anti sub torpedo delivery missiles) should be compatible.

    All the brand new weapons developed for the PAK FA will also likely be compatible except the really heavy stuff.

    With modern precision weapons big heavy weapons are now needed for only very specific roles, so fuel tanks, a couple of guided missiles or bombs and 4-6 AAMs should be enough for any strike aircraft.
     respekt  Thanks Garry for this informative reply thumbsup 

    So, it means that Mig-35 can be used properly as a strike aircraft when the time demands.

    One question, how does it fare against Rafale as a swing-role fighter? Can you compare all attributes(BVR, WVR, strike: CAS, SEAD, DEAD, bombing etc) of both these planes?

    Of course Mig-35 is much cheaper than the uber expensive Rafale. So that's an advantage. But does being cheaper makes it better than the much hyped Dassault Rafale(weighing them based upon IAF's criteria), is the real question?
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    Post  Indian Flanker Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:51 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    Indian Flanker wrote:I still think, India should cancel Rafale deal and order around 200+ Mig-35s. My only concern is how good of an Strike-fighter Mig-35 would be. Looking at its designation (35), it looks to be more of a dogfighter than an aircraft fit for CAS role.
    Not to mention it doesnt cost like a large fighter while at it. Also, Brahmos and other goodies are already in mind when Mig-35 is made while you still have to negotiate with Rafale.
    But a lot of our people think that Rafale has got the ultimate weapon aka Meteor, so who cares about home made weapon compatibility Twisted Evil 
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    Post  Indian Flanker Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:59 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Indian Flanker wrote:I still think, India should cancel Rafale deal and order around 200+ Mig-35s. My only concern is how good of an Strike-fighter Mig-35 would be. Looking at its designation (35), it looks to be more of a dogfighter than an aircraft fit for CAS role.

    I feel differently.

    I think India needs to order neither, bite the economic pill and accept falling fighter numbers, put anything saved (and allowed for by budget) into getting Tejas Mk2 out faster, as well as FGFA.

    That or increase % of GDP spent on the mil, but it doesn't look like that will be a popular option.
    I like your blatant honesty respekt 

    And finally after all the delays, our Tejas project is now well on its track. Even Indian government has said that they will make 14 squadrons of Tejas in due  course(your line of thought). But the only issue is we still have to import engines from the all-mighty USA, no Kaveri yet angry 

    FGFA project is also on track. Only sticking point at the moment is price negotiation with Russia. That is causing the delay in signing of the final R&D contract.


    But anyway, Tejas is LCA, FGFA(Su-50??) will be HCA. We would need some MCAs as well. That's where an aircraft like Rafale/Mig-35 perfectly fits in and fills the gap.

    You ought to have some varity in your fleet at any cost Cool

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