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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:07 pm

    NationalRus wrote:he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness
    Not sure if I understood you correct, BUT, ARE YOU SAYING that my friend who is a white Macedonian Orthodox Christian shouldn't live in Africa because it's not his indigenous land, that of his ancestors?!
    Cause he feels at home there, he says.


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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:How can blacks NOT become Orthodox Christians if Oriental Orthodox Christianity is in fact the most wide-spread religion in Ethiopia?


    D'oh!
    Duh...Perhaps they can be a part of the one third (1/3) of Muslims there?
    Duh?!

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:10 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness
    Not sure if I understood you correct, BUT, ARE YOU SAYING that my friend who is a white Macedonian Orthodox Christian shouldn't live in Africa because it's not his indigenous land, that of his ancestors?!
    Cause he feels at home there, he says.
    well wich part of africa, i would consider sout africa as historicly partly white, and yes if they dont want him ther then then he should go to his country, he is a guest and if they are ok with it then he is welcome


    they have nothing productive to offer other then personal technical knowledge (if they have any, case by case like with everybody) in the mather of ther profession, and overall ther worldview is destructive in its roots, or they are nonecaring selfcentred (in the good case) like the typical i dont give a shit about anthing i just want my beer after work, and in in the bad case they are actevly destructive and aggresevly offensive in ther liberalistic view, i live in germany sourounded by a great amount off emotionaly-reactionary liberals, if somene on TV would only even say that he doesnt support gay marriege and belives in traditionaly family values he would be called out like in the next 3 hours by 25 diffrent liberal groups across the country who would accuse him of being a fascist and maybe even supporting hitler and that he should be never on air agan and politcal parties would need go and denounce him in the open saying they dont want to have anything to do with him

    liberalism is a fascist totalitarian and self-destructive ideology, i cant support it and i cant welcome it in my country

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:28 am

    NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?

    We are talking about high skilled specialists here. Be they gay, liberal, black. Ethnic background, political views or butt pirating will not matter much when this person will generate revenue. Russian colleges and universities are not in the best shape at the moment and brain influx wouldn't hurt

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  BTRfan on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:51 am

    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?

    We are talking about high skilled specialists here. Be they gay, liberal, black. Ethnic background, political views or butt pirating will not matter much when this person will generate revenue. Russian colleges and universities are not in the best shape at the moment and brain influx wouldn't hurt


    I'm not interested in helping prop up corporations by allowing them to import "highly skilled specialists" from foreign countries.

    There are several hundred thousand under-employed and unemployed engineers and engineering technicians in the USA, we don't need to import any new ones from China or India.


    For that matter, I would rather America revert to a largely agricultural based economy than be an economy focused on heavy industry if being focused on heavy industry came at the price of having to accept 15 million Indians and 20 million Chinese into the nation.


    There are things more important than the profit margins of the major global corporations.


    With that said, keep in mind that there are millions of people in the USA who have training, some even have varying amounts of experience, yet they are out of work.

    Companies would prefer to hire an Indian or Chinese engineer who barely speaks English and doesn't really qualify as an engineer by American/Western standards, instead of giving the job to a young White American man who just graduated college.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:02 am

    What's the reason for that then? Can they do their job right? I know that immigrant from non-EU country would be kicked out with flying colours if he would not do his job. No income = permission to stay is terminated.

    I know that immigrants set the wages back, but still local work force should be able to compete. You see chinese immigrant in Lithuania has to obtain permission to stay in the country - if he bucks it up - he hits the road. He becomes like a serf to company where he is employed as it's the only link that keeps him here. But believe it or not Chinese workers proved to be happy with this position and are responsible, well mannered, quick learners - not like other immigrants we get from Caucasus mountains.  There are hardly social support for our own citizen so it's not even remotely attractive to fortune seekers to bring their families here so work is 1 thing in their head. I can only show respect to them

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:05 pm

    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?
    Yea but he don't count. He white.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  NationalRus on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:58 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?
    Yea but he don't count. He white.
    first if you want to go deep ethnical i am 25% baltic blood wise, second i always respected the countrys were i live and actaully integrated myself well like nearly al russians, in comparison to turks and muslims who cant even speak the language right in the 3rd generation livin here and all over europe, and i explained quite extensive why i fucking PERSONALY wouldent welcome them, but yeah its easyer just give give back some fucking stupid 1 sentence just live a liberal who would cal you fascist if his brain had to much, bunsh of trash Rolling Eyes and yeah python, maybe becouse im a white well intergrated christian that the basicaly all germans with who you speak dont see you ass a immigrant anymore but part of them and are actaully surprised when you say you a a foreigner

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  vK_man on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:26 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?
    Yea but he don't count. He white.
    first if you want to go deep ethnical i am 25% baltic blood wise, second i always respected the countrys were i live and actaully integrated myself well like nearly al russians, in comparison to turks and muslims who cant even speak the language right in the 3rd generation livin here and all over europe, and i explained quite extensive why i fucking PERSONALY wouldent welcome them, but yeah its easyer just give give back some fucking stupid 1 sentence just live a liberal who would cal you fascist if his brain had to much, bunsh of trash :roll:and yeah python, maybe becouse im a white well intergrated christian that the basicaly all germans with who you speak dont see you ass a immigrant anymore but part of them and are actaully surprised when you say you a a foreigner
    You are baltic ?? Thats why you are bit xenophobic .But then I agree that turks and muslims are a bunch of big provocateurs themselves.

    What do you feel about the people from sub continent ?I means hindus,sikhs or indian christians or buddhists.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  vK_man on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:31 pm

    NationalRus wrote:he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness
    This white christian nation won't help Russia .It will take you back in the kievan rus era . And muslim population is decreasing in Russia due to proselytizing by Orthodox Church

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    Post  vK_man on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:33 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?
    Yea but he don't count. He white.
    Maybe he should study about hitler's thoughts were about slavs .

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    Post  vK_man on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:39 pm

    NickM wrote:
    macedonian wrote:


    Orthodox Christianity is NOTHING like Anglican or Catholic.
    Bear that in mind.
    That's an exception , not the rule . Blacks cannot become Orthodox Christians .You know , I know .
    Ethopian people are orthodox christians. Good lord ,whats happening to people.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  Firebird on Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:13 pm

    I think if its ultra skilled people ( I mean like scientific geniuses etc) in very small numbers it doesn't matter that much where they are from... to some extent - in terms of working with them.

    The problem comes when they have 16kids who become radical islamist maniacs etc...

    But I think CIS countries like Belarus, the Eastern part of the Ukraine etc are the natural alliance. Then Slavic countries like Poland, Bulgaria, Cz Rep -some of which used to be part of Russia anyway (I'm thinking bits of Poland etc). Then Central Asian CIS (which has an affinity, but also a potential problem with some Islamics etc). Some western Europeans could potentially emigrate and integrate.
    But integration is vital.

    But its all dependent on numbers. I mean some Russians in the F East have some Chinese/Mongol blood,and are true Russians. But I dont think anyone would want 20m Chinese emigrating to Russia...

    Putin makes sense in making it easier for people of Imperial Russian descent to emigrate to Russia.
    These people will have blood ties, affinity and hopefully patriotism/pride in Russia.

    I hope Russia doesn't fall into the idiotic trap that W Europe has fallen into. Britain, France and places are building up massive problems. Russia still has a national unity in many ways, and long may it continue.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:30 pm

    I could apply for it, but what good would that do me? I'll visit Russia to see family that still lives there, but I have no reason to live there as my skills are not needed. They need specific skills, and there is a lack of them in many countries. Indians go to Russia to study, but many do not stay. If they are getting it paid for by tax payers, they are steeling from Russia. If they are paying for it, then good on them. If Russia pays more for engineers and scientists, then they may not find an issue when in need.

    People from slavic and germanic countries will have it easier in Russia. People from latin America may also find it pretty decent due to some historical ties. But thats about it. I wouldnt really bring in lots of Muslims.

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    Post  vK_man on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:24 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I could apply for it, but what good would that do me? I'll visit Russia to see family that still lives there, but I have no reason to live there as my skills are not needed. They need specific skills, and there is a lack of them in many countries. Indians go to Russia to study, but many do not stay. If they are getting it paid for by tax payers, they are steeling from Russia. If they are paying for it, then good on them. If Russia pays more for engineers and scientists, then they may not find an issue when in need.

    People from slavic and germanic countries will have it easier in Russia. People from latin America may also find it pretty decent due to some historical ties. But thats about it. I wouldnt really bring in lots of Muslims.
    Indians pay for it.Plus there are racial and neo-nazi lynching dangers strong in Moscow. Many Indians have considered Russia for business opportunities ,but are fearful because of the neo-nazi presence in some of metropolitans.

    And on muslim point ,I agree.Muslims when in majority tend to start listening to mullahs too much and big trouble starts then.

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    Post  vK_man on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:28 pm

    Firebird wrote:I think if its ultra skilled people ( I mean like scientific geniuses etc) in very small numbers it doesn't matter that much where they are from... to some extent - in terms of working with them.

    The problem comes when they have 16kids who become radical islamist maniacs etc...

    But I think CIS countries like Belarus, the Eastern part of the Ukraine etc are the natural alliance. Then Slavic countries like Poland, Bulgaria, Cz Rep -some of which used to be part of Russia anyway (I'm thinking bits of Poland etc). Then Central Asian CIS (which has an affinity, but also a potential problem with some Islamics etc). Some western Europeans could potentially emigrate and integrate.
    But integration is vital.

    But its all dependent on numbers. I mean some Russians in the F East have some Chinese/Mongol blood,and are true Russians. But I dont think anyone would want 20m Chinese emigrating to Russia...

    Putin makes sense in making it easier for people of Imperial Russian descent to emigrate to Russia.
    These people will have blood ties, affinity and hopefully patriotism/pride in Russia.

    I hope Russia doesn't fall into the idiotic trap that W Europe has fallen into. Britain, France and places are building up massive problems. Russia still has a national unity in many ways, and long may it continue.
    Britain ,France,Sweden brought in too many wahabbi muslims. Russia on the other hand has banned quran recently,till extremist quotes against kafirs are removed.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:32 pm

    I hear crossmix info regarding skinhead issues. Just stay out of areas where they thrive. You'll never be able to stay away from them forever, not even in Canada (I hate it when skinheads call me brother and what not, and thank god they dont know im married to a punjabi or I would be dead). I hear places like irkutsk, tomsk, omsk are great places to live and work, as pay rates are pretty high (in some things), people are decent and living conditions are good. Problem is with big big cities like st pete and moscow is that it attracts everyone of all types, including the bad.

    If I had a choice, it would be irkutsk. High tech jobs seem to be popping up there as well, so some real good money can made. And I met some of the nicest Russians here, that are from Irkutsk.

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    Post  vK_man on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I hear crossmix info regarding skinhead issues. Just stay out of areas where they thrive. You'll never be able to stay away from them forever, not even in Canada (I hate it when skinheads call me brother and what not, and thank god they dont know im married to a punjabi or I would be dead). I hear places like irkutsk, tomsk, omsk are great places to live and work, as pay rates are pretty high (in some things), people are decent and living conditions are good. Problem is with big big cities like st pete and moscow is that it attracts everyone of all types, including the bad.

    If I had a choice, it would be irkutsk. High tech jobs seem to be popping up there as well, so some real good money can made. And I met some of the nicest Russians here, that are from Irkutsk.
    You are married to punjabi woman?

    I am punjabi.Clean shaven sikh ,though I am very fair complexioned and mistaken for iranian or kashmiri by many.

    Congrats .welcome 

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    Post  vK_man on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:44 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I hear crossmix info regarding skinhead issues. Just stay out of areas where they thrive. You'll never be able to stay away from them forever, not even in Canada (I hate it when skinheads call me brother and what not, and thank god they dont know im married to a punjabi or I would be dead). I hear places like irkutsk, tomsk, omsk are great places to live and work, as pay rates are pretty high (in some things), people are decent and living conditions are good. Problem is with big big cities like st pete and moscow is that it attracts everyone of all types, including the bad.

    If I had a choice, it would be irkutsk. High tech jobs seem to be popping up there as well, so some real good money can made. And I met some of the nicest Russians here, that are from Irkutsk.
    I heard Volgograd is good and has significant old communist/stalinist types.Is that true?

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:24 am

    You can find all communist types everywhere--- they are the old geezers left over from Soviet times.

    Not so popular with anyone else.

    Funny thing happened, during USSR, my late grandfather, May Allah/Jesus/Moses/Uncle Stalin/Obama bless his soul, listened to radio America all that jazz. Overnight, USSR collapses, he becomes a communist hahaha!

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:30 am

    vK_man wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I hear crossmix info regarding skinhead issues. Just stay out of areas where they thrive. You'll never be able to stay away from them forever, not even in Canada (I hate it when skinheads call me brother and what not, and thank god they dont know im married to a punjabi or I would be dead). I hear places like irkutsk, tomsk, omsk are great places to live and work, as pay rates are pretty high (in some things), people are decent and living conditions are good. Problem is with big big cities like st pete and moscow is that it attracts everyone of all types, including the bad.

    If I had a choice, it would be irkutsk. High tech jobs seem to be popping up there as well, so some real good money can made. And I met some of the nicest Russians here, that are from Irkutsk.
    I heard Volgograd is good and has significant old communist/stalinist types.Is that true?
    If you want to find communists all you need to do is take a trip to Brussels.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  Hachimoto on Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:20 pm

    The first thing to ask is what opportunities in Russia for those immigrants?

    High skilled immigrant you don't allow them to come, you should attract them.

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    Post  BTRfan on Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:50 am

    Hachimoto wrote:The first thing to ask is what opportunities in Russia for those immigrants?

    High skilled immigrant you don't allow them to come, you should attract them.

    If I could be in lawful possession of my guns, my truck, and have my cats, and finally my books, I'd move to Russia tomorrow.


    If Russia wants to attract professionals from the USA, they should modify their self-defense laws and ease up on the gun restrictions, that would appeal to a lot of conservative type Americans. Leftist type Americans probably won't move to Russia because they see Putin as some sort of slur, "fascist," "nationalist," "nazi," "hater," "homophobe," etc.

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