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    Deep Throat
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    Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  Deep Throat on Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:55 pm

    I was reading this article - A Country For People (below) on RIA Novosti (written by  Fyodor Lukyanov) that Russia needs high skilled immigrants to plug the skills deficit in crucial sectors .

    From which countries do you think Russia can or should import high skilled labor ?

    http://en.rian.ru/search/?query=+Fyodor+Lukyanov

    I remember there was a huge poster outside my window when I was a child, it read: “All in the name of man, all for the benefit of man.” This omnipresent Soviet slogan remained just words. The decline of the USSR began when its people – for whose benefit everything was ostensibly being done – started to feel increasingly alienated from their own state. When that state was on the verge of vanishing in 1991, nobody rose to its defense. The uniform Soviet identity that seemed to have been created just collapsed, like a house of cards, the moment the bonds of ideology and national security weakened.

    True, the old ideology lingered for a while. Russia lived with its aftertaste for over 20 years – the Soviet Union’s disintegration remained the main topic of political debate. The Soviet legacy was coming to an end in ideological, economic and technological terms. Its potential has now been exhausted and the priorities associated with the Soviet and post-Soviet eras engender little more than idle chatter. So, what now? How will the new Russia build its future?


    This is a daunting challenge. Russia has to formulate a new national and state identity, build foundations for its development that can respond to different, sometimes contradictory, criteria. Each country has its own historical myth or political interpretation of its history. And Russia’s future identity should reflect its thousand-odd years of incredibly rich, tragic and, crucially, highly diverse history.

    It is possible to use Russia’s history as the foundations for a narrative that offers the nation signposts for the future without being too loose with the truth. That said, this desire to anchor Russia in its past should not become an obsession. We should not look to the past for inspiration in everything. Russia’s new mindset should primarily meet the future demands that are just starting to take shape on the horizon.

    This brings me back to that old Soviet slogan. Strange as it may seem, that old slogan captures the challenge Russia will have to rise to meet in the second decade of the 21st century quite well.

    Russia’s seemingly eternal dilemma lies in the contradictory goals of the state (be it a monarch, the ruling party’s central committee or a group of reformers) and its people. In Russian history, the interests of what the government defines as national development almost always take precedence over the wishes and needs of the individual.
    This formula worked in some eras, and even helped bring about social and technological breakthroughs, geopolitical expansion and global status. But projects carried out for the sake of the nation will no longer produce the desired result.

    At issue here is not even the morality of treating people as if they are expendable – that does not work in the 21st century. Globalization and openness have put an end to the era of iron curtain and iron fists. It is no longer possible to force people to serve the state or even society. People can only be encouraged to be active and realize their potential in different fields. Victory in this global competition will go to the countries that create the conditions in which people can thrive. These are the countries that attract the best workers.

    Let us not forget that Russia will have to make a breakthrough and become a new kind of country despite an unprecedented population shortage. Russia will no longer be a country of unlimited demographic potential. In order to make this leap the country will have to operate a much more efficient social policy, it will have to take better care of its available human capital and increase it by attracting, if possible, the kind of talent it needs to develop.
    Why is human capital so important? Competition for talent is becoming the most important form of competition between countries. National security and state interests rely on the ability to offer people the best opportunities for self-realization and the most comfortable environment for living and working.

    Russia’s inherited dilemma between the state and the individual is now being obliterated by global realities.
    In the past, wars determined the hierarchy of nations. Now, massive armed conflicts between great powers are no longer possible, primarily because nuclear weapons have made the potential price to be paid for using force completely unacceptable. Wars are becoming the domain of less-powerful countries involved in local conflicts that have the potential to influence, but not determine, global policy. Second, economic interdependence makes severing ties too costly and dangerous. Only a real emergency could justify this, and even that could prove counterproductive.
    Economic competition is moving into the fore, with intellectual and technological leadership playing a key role. The emergence of a new world order has coincided with the transition to the sixth technological mode. Here, it is those people who are capable of delivering intellectual breakthroughs and developing next-generation approaches to production that become the most valuable “commodity.” The battle for brains and talent is intensifying just as the fight for mineral resources once did (this latter is still important, though it is a lower priority).

    The appeal that the United States and European countries have for being the most comfortable places to live and work is their competitive advantage, and this is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. One might even anticipate that the immigration policies of leading Western countries will adapt to create even more incentives to attract the talent needed.

    The quality of life and opportunities for creative self-realization available in these countries turn into a tool to extract human capital from countries where conditions are worse, whether through political conflict, economic instability, environmental issues or inconsistent rules of the game.

    Although the West has an advantage, it cannot to rest on its laurels. Developing Asian countries with large resource bases are creating conditions that will allow them to attract and retain human capital. China and Singapore have made strides in this direction.

    The ability to produce ideas or images and offer them to (impose them on) the rest of the world is also becoming an element in this intensifying global competition. The role of the active segment of society – those who can produce and disseminate these images – is growing. If a state fails to find a common language with the most advanced segment of its own society, this is tantamount to laying delayed-action (or maybe even regular) mines on the path to the future. If a country fails to tap into its own citizens’ potential, other countries will – potentially in a hostile manner.

    Opportunistic measures will not accomplish much. Public spending priorities must be reoriented toward science, education and healthcare, although this won’t result in fundamental changes. It is essential to adopt an entirely different approach to achieving development goals and to fundamentally change the approach Russia takes to people.
    Russia’s position in this new international context has its advantages and disadvantages. It will be difficult to overcome a tradition that is ill-suited to the demands of the day. However, Russia is used to recovering from disasters, and the country is clearly entering a new phase in its history – one in which it will have to formulate everything in a new way, whether it wants to or not.

    Concern for people as the country’s main asset must become a foundation of Russian identity, not for moral or ethical reasons, but for purely pragmatic considerations.

    The interests and needs of the state and the people may be aligning for the first time in Russian history, as both now need a strong, confident and comfortable country.

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    Re: Ηigh-skilled immigrants from foreign countries to Russia

    Post  NickM on Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:17 pm

    Preferably the US or the EU . Not only do people of these countries have the skills that Russia needs but they will also be able to integrate better into the Russian society unlike people from Asia & Africa.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:47 am

    If they're highly skilled then why not from anywhere?

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    Post  Pyrrus on Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:31 am

    If the integration is concerned I'd rely on CIS first. Why? To keep in touch and build positive partnership on the level of personal links of common people, not only international agreements. I recon Russia is able to build the new economic zone gathering those CIS which have intention to integrate

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:08 am

    Pyrrus wrote:If the integration is concerned I'd rely on CIS first. Why? To keep in touch and build positive partnership on the level of personal links of common people, not only international agreements. I recon Russia is able to build the new economic zone gathering those CIS which have intention to integrate
    DING DING DING!  We have a genius here.

    Seriously, the CIS countries for Russia are very important on various levels.

    1) they are either or potential allies to Russia and many of them can speak Russian, so integrating them may not be as hard.
    2) More cooperation with the CIS Countries in all fields is very important, as a strong neighbour that is friendly to you, means strong borders.
    3) Kazakhstan, Belarus and Russia are doing a joint economic technopark between each other.  Already specialists from each country will work together.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:08 am

    Sure Russian-speakers would be the preffered candidates for ordinary immigrants.

    But if we're talking about people with special skills and various proffessionals then Russia needs as many as it can get, and if it wants to get as many as possible then it has to open its doors to such people from anywhere in the globe.

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    Post  Sujoy on Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:13 pm

    Serbia has got the talents . But so does Belarus and Ukraine .

    They can be ideal countries for sending high skilled immigrants to Russia because there are not too many high tech jobs that are being created in these countries .

    Regarding other CIS countries like Tajikistan and Uzbekistan , no offense to them but they really do not have people who have skills sought by the hi tech industries . A cursory visit to these countries will tell you that the most hi tech job here is Oil & Gas exploration . And here too the engineers are all Chinese .

    As far as the Russian language is concerned it should not be very difficult to pick it up . If you use English as a Benchmark many European languages like Finnish are as difficult or easy .

    http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty

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    Post  Regular on Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:17 pm

    Priority should be Russo phone countries, neighbours of course. But does it matter where they come from? Some Russian companies hire people who speak English and AFAIK there are some companies in Moscow that have English speaking working environment.

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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:21 pm

    Poland ^^'

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    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:10 am

    come for time, nearly anyone, come for ever? nearly none

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    Post  Pyrrus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:02 pm

    NationalRus wrote:come for time, nearly anyone, come for ever? nearly none
    This occurs in every country where emigrants come to. Actually, it should be taken for granted like a kind of the contract only

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    Post  NickM on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:18 pm

    NationalRus wrote:come for time, nearly anyone, come for ever? nearly none
    Pyrrus wrote:This occurs in every country where emigrants come to. Actually, it should be taken for granted like a kind of the contract only
    That's why it is essential that only Europeans or Americans are allowed to come in as immigrants .

    From my own experience in the UK it's the blacks , hindoos ,other asians who come in as immigrants and thereafter create problems . Then there is the problem of 2nd gen immigrants . What do you do with the kids of these immigrants who are born in your country ? Deport them . Impossible .

    Immigration is good BUT only if you allow people from your own race and NOT some wretched third world race.

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    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:50 pm

    Sorry guys, but can anyone tell me how come Macedonia is not on the above list?
    I guess Russians don't really care about people of Slavic origin who also happen to be Orthodox Christians, coming from a land where the Cyrillic alphabet was invented...

    Just havin' a laugh really Laughing ...not interested in a serious debate today...

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    Post  BTRfan on Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:If they're highly skilled then why not from anywhere?

    Keep in mind that in China they do a lot of skills padding, they need an engineer so they give a high school graduate with two classes in electronics or electrical theory the title of "electrical engineer" where to EARN such a title in the USA takes about 40 college level classes over a 4 year period.


    My father has encountered Chinese "electrical engineers" who knew less than American electronic technicians.


    With that in mind, just realize that job titles can be misleading.

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    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:55 pm

    NickM wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:come for time, nearly anyone, come for ever? nearly none
    Pyrrus wrote:This occurs in every country where emigrants come to. Actually, it should be taken for granted like a kind of the contract only
    That's why it is essential that only Europeans or Americans are allowed to come in as immigrants .

    From my own experience in the UK it's the blacks , hindoos ,other asians who come in as immigrants and thereafter create problems . Then there is the problem of 2nd gen immigrants . What do you do with the kids of these immigrants who are born in your country ? Deport them . Impossible .

    Immigration is good BUT only if you allow people from your own race and NOT some wretched third world race.
    somthing like that, come for time, yes nearly anyone i stand by that but who wants to stay longer or for ever should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland

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    Post  NickM on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    NationalRus wrote: should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    But then the blacks , hindoos , muslims will come convert to Russian Orthodox and start living . What happens then .

    I know a number of hindoos who converted to Anglican or Catholic in the UK & US .

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    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:21 pm

    NickM wrote:
    NationalRus wrote: should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    But then the blacks , hindoos , muslims will come convert to Russian Orthodox and start living . What happens then .

    I know a number of hindoos who converted to Anglican or Catholic in the UK & US .
    muslims converting to christianity well if that happens maybe they can stay, some arab partly caucasian christians like in syria etc, hve nothing against them comming and if adopting to our country staying in smal nummbers

    everybody else has a contract, a work visa after that he goes home, sombody to diffrent shouldnt stay in our countr notonly for some "racial issues" but for harmony and peace all together, they have ther countrys we have ours, we should have adopted a proper immigrant work structure long ago like a lot of countrys like the UAE, the come have ther own "worker citys" were they stay with eachother, get drived to work, get driven back, have proper rigistration, acces to healthcare and work contracts with on time pay and no possibility of scam, after ther are done, all ther money is on ther accounts overseas, no ripping off and they get a free plane ticket right back home to ther familiys wifes and kids good for them good for us and everybody is happy

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    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:28 pm

    NationalRus wrote:somthing like that, come for time, yes nearly anyone i stand by that but who wants to stay longer or for ever should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    Oh, cheers Laughing Good to know you like Slavic Orthodox Christians who write Cyrillic Very Happy 

    NickM wrote:But then the blacks , hindoos , muslims will come convert to Russian Orthodox and start living . What happens then .
    I know a number of hindoos who converted to Anglican or Catholic in the UK & US .
    Well, I said I'm not up to a serious conversation today (we're celebrating The Transfiguration today - old calendar style...), but, mate:


    Orthodox Christianity is NOTHING like Anglican or Catholic.
    Bear that in mind.

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    Post  NickM on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:34 pm

    macedonian wrote:


    Orthodox Christianity is NOTHING like Anglican or Catholic.
    Bear that in mind.
    That's an exception , not the rule . Blacks cannot become Orthodox Christians .You know , I know .

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    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:40 pm

    NickM wrote:That's an exception , not the rule . Blacks cannot become Orthodox Christians .You know , I know .
    Tell that to my mate...he's an Orthodox monk in a Convent in Africa. Couldn't agree less with that. (though, I agree - if one lives in a western country it DOES seem quite impossible...)
    But, matter of fact is - many of the Saints we celebrate today are of Arabic origin.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:56 pm

    Somebody too different shouldn't stay in Russia?
    SO what about all the Muslim Russians? All the Tartars? All the various ethnicities? They also shouldn't stay?


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    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:59 pm

    he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:01 pm

    NickM wrote:
    macedonian wrote:


    Orthodox Christianity is NOTHING like Anglican or Catholic.
    Bear that in mind.
    That's an exception , not the rule . Blacks cannot become Orthodox Christians .You know , I know .
    How can blacks NOT become Orthodox Christians if Oriental Orthodox Christianity is in fact the most wide-spread religion in Ethiopia?


    D'oh!

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:04 pm

    NationalRus wrote:somthing like that, come for time, yes nearly anyone i stand by that but who wants to stay longer or for ever should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    lol!

    What'ya got against liberals son?

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:06 pm

    Some Russians have a "Teh liberals destroying Christian mother-Russia!" complex going on.

    Cause Putin and his band of thieves, or old commie farts are better.

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