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    Re: How PAK-FA would counter F-22 in future aerial warfare

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:15 am

    ok thinking of that ive have a idea upon you could detect the f22. as we know there is signal noise from the sun. this noise get under the f22. or better said in the back under the f22. then theyre reflect by air exacly into the f22 from wich theyre reflect to the far front of f22 where a passive radar waits and upon the angle they enter they create a specific phase shift signal in the circuit now all you have to do is to corelate continuous phases shift with the continous angles at wich the f22 reflect the waves as he approach target so here we are f22 is visible

    The noise from the sun is just that... noise.

    To detect redirected noise signals you would need to be able to tell the difference between direct noise and redirected noise... good luck with that.

    It would be rather easier just to detect the IR signature of the F-22.


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    Post  zenmonk on Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:49 pm

    Everything about the PAK-FA suggests that it is similar in concept to the Raptor—being optimized as a fast, high flying and stealthy air superiority fighter. One good example is stealth. The T-50’s design places far less emphasis on all-aspect low observables. Instead, it focuses on frontal aspect stealth—thus it has a so-called “Pac-Man” signature where as the F-22’s signature looks more like a spider if one were to look at it from a God’s eye view. Stealth is where the F-22 holds a huge advantage over the Russian jet.

    In terms of sheer kinematics, the T-50 and the F-22 are probably comparable—especially once the PAK-FA receives new engines. The Russian jet’s current Izdeliye 117 engines are decent, but ultimately the plane will need to reequipped with the developmental Izdeliye 30 motors to fully exploit the capabilities of its airframe.

    In terms of avionics, the Raptor probably has the edge in terms of sensor fusion and pilot-vehicle interface. The Russian don’t have the best track record for developing user-friendly cockpits—one look at the cockpit of a MiG-29 tells the story. But they are getting better. Overall sensor performance might be comparable, Russians make decent radars and they have excellent electronic warfare systems.

    What are chances of F 22 against Pak Fa? And what are the Chances of F 22 against Pak Fa SU 35S?
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    Re: How PAK-FA would counter F-22 in future aerial warfare

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:29 am

    Very simply the F-22 is supposed to be the only stealth fighter in the air and is designed to allow the USAF to cope with thousands of 3rd and 4th gen fighters like MiG-23s and MiG-29s at stand off distances.

    The F-22 flys high and fast so it can attack its 6 targets and then fly home and rearm and refuel.

    the obvious problem is that its main armament is the AMRAAM missile which wont lock on to a stealth target at anything like BVR range so it becomes a WVR fight where stealth is not longer much use and manouver capability will win because he who shoots with cannons will kill. (He who shoots with WVR AAMs will find DIRCMS a problem for kills).

    at the end of the day the F-22 is a long range sniper designed to fight from an unseen distance from the high ground.

    The PAK FA has long range sensors that will allow targets like F-22 snipers to be detected at reasonable ranges and its ability to get close to an F-22 means it will be a knife fight... the sort of fight a PAK FA will likely win due to its better flight characteristics... not to mention eventually better numbers and range of sensors... and supporting IAD.


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