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    Post  MiamiMachineShop on Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/07/us-ambassador-ukraine-is-recalled-after-becoming-political-target/?utm_term=.94c2c7ed87a3

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/joe-biden-ukraine-controversy.html

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/what-does-the-early-dismissal-of-the-us-ambassador-to-ukraine-mean/

    I said we wanted Russia to have Ukraine and to have better USA-Russia relations, I meant it. We are restoring relations with Russia, we will give the heads of Poroshenko and nazis to Russia, we will leave Ukraine, and we will have the democrats all arrested, in exchange for Russian cooperation with China and others. Russia will make an overture to us for this, They want nothing more than to punish Ukraine and return it to its fold, not be a pawn of China in some SCO silk road project. Putin also desires this, you think he wanted to be junior partner with China? He said Vladivostok to Lisbon, not Beijing-Lisbon. Putin thought he could deal with Europeans but the spineless slaves only obeyed our democrats and spited Russia.

    Putin dreams of EAEU, not SCO. EAEU is Russian led, not Chinese. We offer him the way out. This is real-politik. Not fanciful wishes of some leftists or Chinese businessmen, and European nationalists that dream of regaining power. Putin accepted junior status because he had no choice. Now we offer him a way to be #1. USA-Russia

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    Post  kvs on Wed May 08, 2019 6:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:He ordered the bombing of Iraq, but not the invasion of Iraq.

    He ordered the isolation and sanctions on Iraq that probably killed a lot of kids, and he called on the Shia majority in Iraq to rise up against the Sunni minority in control, but didn't support them and they got hammered by Saddam... but that was because he realised that if Saddam is gone in Iraq then Iran would gain a lot of influence in the region... something later US presidents forgot... with the result that now Iran is in a much better position in the ME than ever before... which is what has Saudi Arabia so scared and doing stupid things too.

    Funny that the west is very selective about who it forgives... seems to have totally forgiven Germany and Japan, but not Russia... yet it has forgiven other components of the Soviet Union.

    The US got support from Russian at various times through Americas history, yet during the Russian revolution the US and its western allies chose to interfere... I don't remember Russian forces fighting in the US civil war, but there were US forces camped in Siberia for quite a few years.

    The only thing I can say is that in public it was all about peace keeping and the commander in charge of the forces there took that role literally and so did not interfere as much as western politicians secretly wanted him to.

    You make it sound like Russia was allied with Germany and Japan. It was the USSR and it was not at war with the precious hyena pack
    called the NATO west. The cold war was instigated by NATO, i.e. its master the USA, can hardly be compared to Germany and Japan
    aggression when it comes to the USSR. So NATO is in no position to demand any apologies from Russia or to "forgive" it. In fact,
    NATO is the pack of dogs that need to beg Russia for mercy. These vermin actually use the victimhood of Russians at the hands
    of the commies (the Gulags were filled with ethnic Russians and not just minorities as claimed by the BBC) to beat Russians over the
    head. I guess they should apply that tactic to Jews. Perhaps Jews need to ask forgiveness for the Holocaust. NATO propaganda and
    the retards that lap it up are a total freak show.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 09, 2019 2:35 am

    You make it sound like Russia was allied with Germany and Japan.

    Westerners would claim Russia (meaning the Soviets) were allied to Germany with their non aggression pact... but of course any examination of such a claim shows that to be bunk... why would allies need a non aggression pact?

    What I am saying is that the west treats the Russians like everything was their fault... that they were responsible for everything the Soviets did or didn't do... they have forgiven Germany and Japan, but not the Russians.

    It was the USSR and it was not at war with the precious hyena pack
    called the NATO west.

    I know.

    They made the same mistake with the Soviet Union after WWII that they made with Germany after WWI, but the Soviets actually fought on the allied side which makes it even more strange.

    The cold war was instigated by NATO, i.e. its master the USA, can hardly be compared to Germany and Japan
    aggression when it comes to the USSR. So NATO is in no position to demand any apologies from Russia or to "forgive" it. In fact,
    NATO is the pack of dogs that need to beg Russia for mercy. These vermin actually use the victimhood of Russians at the hands
    of the commies (the Gulags were filled with ethnic Russians and not just minorities as claimed by the BBC) to beat Russians over the
    head. I guess they should apply that tactic to Jews. Perhaps Jews need to ask forgiveness for the Holocaust. NATO propaganda and
    the retards that lap it up are a total freak show.

    You are not wrong.

    Blaming just the Russians for everything that was done by the Soviets is like blaming the Scottish for everything their former colony the US has done... but then the British have their own long list of crimes anyway.

    Equating the Russians to the Soviets is calling a Scotsman English... it is after all one country anyway isn't it... Twisted Evil

    Of calling someone from Peru American... I mean both continents and the central big joining them are all called America.

    Venezuela and Cuba and Nicaragua should form an alliance and call themselves the United States of America... but who wants that albatross on their shoulders...


    Putin dreams of EAEU, not SCO. EAEU is Russian led, not Chinese. We offer him the way out. This is real-politik. Not fanciful wishes of some leftists or Chinese businessmen, and European nationalists that dream of regaining power. Putin accepted junior status because he had no choice. Now we offer him a way to be #1. USA-Russia

    Interesting idea, Kissenger has been saying something similar for the last few years... flip the relationship... they used China to deal with the Soviets during the cold war and they should now use Russia to deal with China today... the problem is that Russia is not stupid and recognising when it is being used.

    Why would Russia want to help the US remain a hyper power, they are the enemy... both sides of US politics have identified Russia as the bad guy... you can't say anything bad about blacks or gays or jews, but you can say pretty much anything nasty you like about Russians and nobody gives a damn.

    The US is on a decline, why would Russia try to help them in their mad crusade against China?

    More specifically, China and Russia are neighbours... why would Russia want to change its relationship with China for the worse just to please the US... China and Russia have something like 100 billion dollars in trade and it is growing... the US is nothing compared with this and the EU used to be this but has reduced trade not increased it.

    Russia has invested a lot of money and time on the silk road initiatives, which are basically trade routes from Asia to the EU.

    Russia has everything to gain to be part of that, and nothing at all from being another stupid American stooge that does things for the US economy but not their own like Poland or now the Ukraine.

    The Northern Sea Route is going to be good for business for Russia... a lot of northern Russian ports will get a lot of trade and commercial activity because of this.

    Bad relations with China wont help Russia or China... it will only help the US... so why would the Russians be interested in that?
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    Post  Hole on Thu May 09, 2019 9:46 am

    In the civil war russian ships were based at San Francisco and New York (Boston?) and prevented an interference by british and french Forces on the side of the south.
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    Post  jhelb on Thu May 09, 2019 10:44 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Interesting idea, Kissenger has been saying something similar for the last few years... flip the relationship... they used China to deal with the Soviets during the cold war and they should now use Russia to deal with China today... the problem is that Russia is not stupid and recognising when it is being used.

    But now the US State Department is saying that China is the first major threat the US is facing that is not Caucasian.

    https://warontherocks.com/2019/05/problematic-thinking-on-china-from-the-state-departments-head-of-policy-planning/

    So clearly the US is more focused on the rise of these non Caucasian powers - China, India, Iran etc.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 09, 2019 11:07 am

    The difference is that the Russians helped the American side that won, while the Americans supported the side that lost the Russian Civil war.
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    Post  kvs on Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm

    https://russia-insider.com/en/russian-extradited-us-buying-unclassified-f-16-manual/ri27072

    The USA is an Orwellian toilet.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 22, 2019 5:11 am

    Says in the title, if the manual is unclassified then what is the problem?

    Another Russian about to learn to love the US.... making the world hate it one person at a time... it has a lot of propaganda to undo... but it is working on it.

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