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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  TR1 on Fri 26 Jul 2013, 08:37

    Lindsey Graham is an idiot.


    We knew this for a while though.

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  GarryB on Fri 26 Jul 2013, 08:49

    If the US is going to try to punish Russia for actively acting against them... perhaps if they have to do the time they might as well do the crime.

    Russian money could be actively used to foment unrest in the US and Mexico and Canada and elsewhere the way US money has been used to undermine legitimate governments in Eastern europe, the former soviet republics and the Arab world that don't fit in with Americas plan of me! me! me!

    If Russia felt like it it could easily supply lots of countries and organisations with powerful anti aircraft weapons and anti armour weapons an indeed chemical and biological and indeed nuclear weapons... I am sure the IRA would love a nuke...

    The irony is that since the new leader of North Korea said some very very strange things we suddenly hear almost nothing from him any more in the western press. For years we were told the leader of NK was mad, but now that he really is there is nothing to report.

    Perhaps that is the solution... the west is so keen to paint everyone else as a dyed in the wool bad guy to perhaps stop any of their own actions reflecting badly on them... the US only killed 4 million Vietnamese... but the commies killed way more in our estimates of course... perhaps the solution is a real enemy that will actively do everything it can to destroy the west rather than just react to its aggressive moves the way the Soviets and now the Russians have...

    The thing about cornering a fierce and powerful creature is you really don't know whether it will attack or curl up into a little ball and surrender... well actually you do but that doesn't stop you from poking it with a stick.


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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Austin on Fri 26 Jul 2013, 09:07

    Well not too recently US invaded Iraq and far more people died due to direct intervention and the effects are still being felt with many more people dying every day then they used to do under Saddams rule.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_04_08/10th-anniversary-of-US-invasion-to-Iraq-cost-of-war-tremendous-violence-remains-206/

    10th anniversary of US invasion to Iraq: cost of war tremendous, violence remains


    189,000 people were killed during the conflict, including soldiers, militants, police, contractors, journalists, humanitarian workers and Iraqi civilians, according to the report “The Cost of War” drawn up by a team of 30 economists, anthropologists, political scientists, legal experts and physicians and released in March 2013.

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Austin on Fri 26 Jul 2013, 09:13

    IF US Applies Economic Sanction then the two way trade value in 2012 at $40 billion will be impacted

    http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4621.html

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Firebird on Fri 26 Jul 2013, 09:29

    Austin wrote:Well not too recently US invaded Iraq and far more people died due to direct intervention and the effects are still being felt with many more people dying every day then they used to do under Saddams rule.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_04_08/10th-anniversary-of-US-invasion-to-Iraq-cost-of-war-tremendous-violence-remains-206/

    10th anniversary of US invasion to Iraq: cost of war tremendous, violence remains


    189,000 people were killed during the conflict, including soldiers, militants, police, contractors, journalists, humanitarian workers and Iraqi civilians, according to the report “The Cost of War” drawn up by a team of 30 economists, anthropologists, political scientists, legal experts and physicians and released in March 2013.

    Plus the ones killed v Afghanistan. It really is a genocide. Europe's electorate wouldn't have a problem passing sanctions against Uncle Scam. And these American monsters have the neck to lecture Russia and ban Russia's processors...

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Austin on Sun 28 Jul 2013, 11:47

    Justice Ministry explains why Russia cannot "return" Snowden to U.S.
    http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?pg=2&id=433281

    MOSCOW. July 27 (Interfax) - Russia cannot turn in former CIA employee Edward Snowden because the term 'forced return' does not exist in international law, the Justice Ministry said in a statement on Saturday.

    "As a rule, the term 'return' in Russian law and practice is applied to voluntary entry of individuals from abroad into the country whose citizens they are," the ministry said in reply to an inquiry from Interfax.

    This term is not used in international law in the context of forced repatriation of individuals to the country of their citizenship, it said.

    U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul said earlier the U.S. was not seeking Snowden's extradition but was asking for his return. "The U.S. is not asking for 'extradition', but simply the return of Mr. Snowden. We have sent many people back to Russia," McFaul said on Twitter on Wednesday.
    va

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  GarryB on Mon 29 Jul 2013, 12:09

    We have sent many people back to Russia," McFaul said on Twitter on Wednesday.

    Like Bout? Like all those thieves in the UK that live well on stolen Russian money? Like all those Chechen "freedom fighters". No you didn't.

    They only sent back people who broke US laws... by being spies mostly... and usually in trade for their own spies.


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    U.S. Puts Sanctions On Russia

    Post  Palestinian on Sat 22 Mar 2014, 01:30

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-20/obama-orders-new-sanctions-on-russian-officials-to-press-putin.html

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  GarryB on Sat 22 Mar 2014, 09:09

    So the US, which has bugg@r all trade with Russia anyway is going to target specific people and a bank, while Germany will wait till Russia invades the Ukraine before considering any sanctions.

    Yep... pretty clear there.

    So the key will be to ignore Ukrainian provocations and integrate the Crimea into Russia and in a 6-12 month period it will all blow over...


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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  SSDD on Mon 24 Mar 2014, 10:37

    This sanction has been imposed because Russia captured Crimea and going to annex it.

    May be Eastern Ukraine will be next.

    Can any tell here what is the impact of this sanction on Russian economy?

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon 24 Mar 2014, 13:33

    SSDD wrote:This sanction has been imposed because Russia captured Crimea and going to annex it.

    May be Eastern Ukraine will be next.

    Can any tell here what is the impact of this sanction on Russian economy?

    Captured Crimea? More like the Crimeans left on their own free will, to escape racial persecution.

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  GarryB on Tue 25 Mar 2014, 10:04

    They held a referendum... you know... that democratic voting thing.... sort of the complete opposite to what the current illegal regime in Kiev did, which was use violence and seized power.

    Words seem to change meaning when western media and western governments use them to spin stories...



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    Steinmeier in favor for sanctions against Russia

    Post  nemrod on Tue 06 May 2014, 23:00


    http://euobserver.com/foreign/123809



    Steinmeier disagrees with German business chiefs on Russia

    German politicians are divided into two broad categories: 'Russia understanders' and 'Russia critics'.

    The doveish Social-Democrats (SPD), including two former chancellors - Gerhard Schroeder and Helmut Schmidt, who voiced understanding for Putin's annexation of Crimea - are broadly considered to be 'Russia understanders'.

    But SPD foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier on Wednesday (9 April) surprised an audience of businessmen, diplomats and politicians from Russia and former Soviet countries in Berlin by disagreeing with speakers from the German business community.

    The event called "East Forum Berlin - opportunities for an economic area from Lisbon to Vladivostok" - was sponsored by Italian bank UniCredit, whose boss, Giuseppe Vita, cited Lenin in his opening speech and received scattered applause when he said no economic sanctions should be imposed on Russia.

    Eckhard Cortes, former CEO of Metro, the German retailer, now in charge of an association of German firms doing business in eastern Europe, also said the blame for the Ukraine conflict is shared by all parties - Russia, Ukraine and the EU.

    Steinmeier disagreed. "There cannot be a parallel economic world doing business as usual with Russia," he said.

    "With all self-criticism that we can accept, it was illegal for Russia to redraw borders seven decades after the end of World War II. This not something we can accept and the vote in the UN Security Council proved that Russia alienated many friends," he added.

    He said he could understand the business community's desire not to impose economic sanctions on Russia, but said the German government was determined to take that path if Russia continued to stir up trouble in eastern Ukraine.

    "The news from eastern Ukraine indicate that the situation is about to escalate, there are massive Russian troops on the border. Risk of open violence is very high," Steinmeier said.

    He pointed to the "superhuman task" of stabilising Ukraine's political and economic systems, given the years of corruption and mismanagement.

    "There are no economic or political reasons for Russia to want the collapse of Ukraine," he noted.

    German efforts are now focusing on the creation of a contact group so that Ukraine and Russia can find a diplomatic solution.

    "This is not about Germany being there in the room - it makes no difference who is the third party. The most important thing is to get this contact group, we are not there yet," Steinmeier said.

    Meanwhile, Moldovan Prime Minister Iurie Leanca noted that he was grateful to the EU commission and Romania for having started work on a multi-million euro interconnector which will allow Romania to export gas to Moldova. Currently, Moldova is 100 percent dependent on Russian gas imports.

    In another positive development, Moldovans will be able to travel visa-free to Europe just three weeks' time.

    "Few thought this would be possible so quickly, but it is Moldova's reward for implementing all the requirements," Leanca said.

    He said Moldova's EU integration "is a modernisation project, not something directed against someone," even though the country has no EU membership perspective at the moment.

    The eastern Moldovan region of Transniestria, where Russia still has at least 10,000 soldiers, has submitted a request to be annexed by Russia. But Moscow has not yet replied.



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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Airbornewolf on Wed 21 May 2014, 20:16

    Steinmeier should shut up and go home, he's starting to sound like the Nazi party in the 30 -40's.

    http://rt.com/news/160428-steinmeier-loses-temper-video/

    ...or propably this group of protestors just gave him some more of the shit he deserves after Steinmeier received harsh critisicm of the German Business Sector that publicly stated "these sanctions against russia are going to cost Germany thousands of jobs".



    another one of those politicians that clearly is as misguided as the EU officials concerning Ukraine.

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  nemrod on Wed 21 May 2014, 22:35

    Airbornewolf wrote:...these sanctions against russia are going to cost Germany thousands of jobs....
    Indeed, Germany has much to loose. In fact the problem is more complex than we believe, and than media try to show us. In fact, Germany is really reluctant to implement some sanctions against Russia. Russia is reluctant to give up Germany and Europe, and to turn towards China. You have a superpower that is in bankrurpcy, and is still occupying Germany in 2014. Do not forget this parameter, Germany is still an invaded country-as Japan-.
    Nevertheless, noone could escape the reality and german's economy needs China and Russia's market more than anyone. America is fed up with that, and try to pull Germany, and with them all Europ into stalemate, America does not want to sink itself, they need all their western partners.
    But the solution could come from Germany, because german capitalism does not agree with the sanctions ideas. In Germany, you have politicians that follow US and israelis interrests, and in other hand, you have german policians who stand on germans, and Germany's interrests.

    As East Germany triggered the collapse of the USSR, Germany reluctance to follow US could trigger the collapse of this monster as NATO, and finally USA.
    Let's repeat again, noone among us hate US people, on contrary, however, we love America, and amercans without Goldman Sachs, as we love France and frencheese people without Rothschild Banksters.

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Behrooz on Fri 20 Jun 2014, 23:03

    You have to read between the lines. What he really means. "Put sanctions on Russia because Jews are not in control of it".

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat 23 Aug 2014, 00:27

    The recent events in Ferguson made me wonder. Where the fck was Lavrov giving pancakes ?

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  George1 on Tue 27 Jan 2015, 08:33

    Russian Embassy in US Examining Info on Charges Against Alleged Spies

    The Embassy of the Russian Federation in Washington DC is currently studying the case of three Russians who face criminal charges in the United States for their alleged involvement in an intelligence-gathering.

    WASHINGTON, January 27 (Sputnik) – The Embassy of the Russian Federation in Washington DC is studying information on three Russians who face criminal charges in the United States for their alleged involvement in an intelligence-gathering scheme, an embassy representative has told RIA Novosti.

    "The information appeared recently. We are studying it. So, it is too early to give any comments," Nikolay Lyashchenko said Monday.

    Federal prosecutors in New York levelled criminal charges against Evgeny Buryakov, Igor Sporyshev and Victor Podobnyy earlier in the day, accusing them of gathering intelligence and recruiting covert agents in the United States for Russia's foreign intelligence service.

    According to US attorneys and the FBI, the alleged spies' scheme ran from 2012 to the present time.
    Federal Bureau of Investigation(FBI) inside the J. Edgar Hoover FBI Building in Washington, DC.

    The US Department of Justice said in a statement Monday that during the period of the alleged plot, Buryakov posed as an employee of a Russian bank, Sporyshev was a Russian trade representative, and Podobnyy was an attaché to Moscow's mission to the United Nations.

    The prosecutor's office for the Southern District of New York announced in a statement Monday that the three men could get up to 15 years in prison.

    Buryakov was placed under arrest on Monday in Bronx, New York. Sporyshev and Podobnyy no longer reside in the United States – they had left the country before criminal charges were brought against them.

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  George1 on Tue 27 Jan 2015, 08:34

    Russian Telecoms Watchdog to Meet With CNN Tuesday

    CNN stopped cable broadcasting in Russia on December 31, 2014, due to the changes in Russian media legislation. The broadcaster hopes to return to the Russian market.

    MOSCOW, January 27 (Sputnik) – The Russian telecoms watchdog Roskomnadzor will meet with representatives from CNN International that stopped broadcasting in Russia at the end of last year, on Tuesday.

    "The meeting is scheduled for January 27. Its contents are not being revealed by mutual agreement between the two sides," the Roskomnadzor press service informed RIA Novosti Monday.

    Earlier in the day, a representative from Turner Broadcasting System, Inc., a division of Time Warner Company, which owns CNN, told Sputnik that CNN hopes to resume its broadcasting in Russia as soon as possible.

    CNN stopped cable broadcasting in Russia on December 31, 2014, due to the recent changes in Russian media legislation. The Turner Broadcasting then stated that they hoped to return to the Russian market as soon as the distribution options are assessed.

    Founded in 1980, CNN opened its Russian division in 1983. Currently, CNN news reaches over 200 million households across 212 countries and territories.

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  George1 on Fri 30 Jan 2015, 13:48

    Russian analyst warns against stepping over red line in Russia-US relations

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  kvs on Sat 31 Jan 2015, 00:31

    George1 wrote:Russian analyst warns against stepping over red line in Russia-US relations

    The only ones stepping over any lines are the Americans. The self-anointed global empire and actual police state.

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    Putin Threatens to Release Satellite Evidence of 9/11

    Post  ahmedfire on Mon 16 Feb 2015, 19:30

    Putin Threatens to Release Satellite Evidence of 9/11

    Moscow (Pravda):  American experts believe that despite the fact that relations between the US and Russia reached the worst point since the Cold War, Putin delivered until Obama only minor troubles. Analysts believe that this is the “calm before the storm.” Putin is going to hit once, but he’s going to hit hard. Russia is preparing the release of evidence of the involvement of the US government and intelligence services in the September 11 attacks.

    The list of evidence includes satellite images.

    Published material can prove the US government complicity in the 9/11 attacks and the successful manipulation of public opinion. The attack was planned by the US government, but exercised using  her proxy, so that an attack on America and the people of the United States looked like an act of aggression by international terrorist organizations.

    The motive for deception and murder its own citizens served  US oil interests and the Middle East state corporations.

    The evidence will be so convincing that it utterly debunks the official 9/11 cover story supported by the US government.

    Russia proves that America is no stranger to using false flag terrorism against its citizens in order to achieve a pretext for military intervention in a foreign country. In the case of “the September 11 attacks,” the evidence will be conclusive satellite imagery.

    If successful, the consequences of Putin’s tactics would expose the US government’s secret terrorist policies. The government’s credibility will be undermined and should bring about mass protests in the cities leading to an uprising, according to American analysts..

    And as the United States will look on the world political arena? The validity of America’s position as a leader in the fight against international terrorism will be totally undermined  giving immediately advantage to rogue states and Islamic terrorists.

    The actual development of the situation could be much worse, experts warn.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/10/pravda-putin-threatens-to-release-satellite-evidence-of-911/

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon 16 Feb 2015, 20:01

    ahmedfire wrote: Putin Threatens to Release Satellite Evidence of 9/11

    Moscow (Pravda):  American experts believe that despite the fact that relations between the US and Russia reached the worst point since the Cold War, Putin delivered until Obama only minor troubles. Analysts believe that this is the “calm before the storm.” Putin is going to hit once, but he’s going to hit hard. Russia is preparing the release of evidence of the involvement of the US government and intelligence services in the September 11 attacks.

    The list of evidence includes satellite images.

    Published material can prove the US government complicity in the 9/11 attacks and the successful manipulation of public opinion. The attack was planned by the US government, but exercised using  her proxy, so that an attack on America and the people of the United States looked like an act of aggression by international terrorist organizations.

    The motive for deception and murder its own citizens served  US oil interests and the Middle East state corporations.

    The evidence will be so convincing that it utterly debunks the official 9/11 cover story supported by the US government.

    Russia proves that America is no stranger to using false flag terrorism against its citizens in order to achieve a pretext for military intervention in a foreign country. In the case of “the September 11 attacks,” the evidence will be conclusive satellite imagery.

    If successful, the consequences of Putin’s tactics would expose the US government’s secret terrorist policies. The government’s credibility will be undermined and should bring about mass protests in the cities leading to an uprising, according to American analysts..

    And as the United States will look on the world political arena? The validity of America’s position as a leader in the fight against international terrorism will be totally undermined  giving immediately advantage to rogue states and Islamic terrorists.

    The actual development of the situation could be much worse, experts warn.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/10/pravda-putin-threatens-to-release-satellite-evidence-of-911/

    Veteranstoday is not a reliable website just saying...

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  ahmedfire on Tue 17 Feb 2015, 00:10

    Sorry .

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    Re: Russia - USA Relations

    Post  Kyo on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 19:34

    Washington Has Resurrected The Threat Of Nuclear War

    Paul Craig Roberts

    Foreign Affairs is the publication of the elitist Council on Foreign Relations, a collection of former and current government officials, academics, and corporate and financial executives who regard themselves as the custodian and formulator of US foreign policy. The publication of the council carries the heavy weight of authority. One doesn’t expect to find humor in it, but I found myself roaring with laughter while reading an article in the February 5 online issue by Alexander J. Motyl, “Goodbye, Putin: Why the President’s Days Are Numbered.”

    I assumed I was reading a clever parody of Washington’s anti-Putin propaganda. Absurd statement followed absurd statement. It was better than Colbert. I couldn’t stop laughing.

    To my dismay I discovered that the absolute gibberish wasn’t a parody of Washington’s propaganda. Motyl, an ardent Ukrainian nationalist, is a professor at Rugers University and was not joking when he wrote that Putin had stolen $45 billion, that Putin was resurrecting the Soviet Empire, that Putin had troops and tanks in Ukraine and had started the war in Ukraine, that Putin is an authoritarian whose regime is “exceedingly brittle” and subject to being overthrown at any time by the people Putin has bought off with revenues from the former high oil price, or by “an Orange Revolution in Moscow” in which Putin is overthrown by Washington orchestrated demonstrations by US financed NGOs as in Ukraine, or by a coup d’etat by Putin’s Praetorial guards. And if none of this sends Putin goodbye, the North Caucasus, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan, and the Crimean Tarters are spinning out of control and will do Washington’s will by unseating Putin. Only the West’s friendly relationship with Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakstan can shield “the rest of the world from Putin’s disastrous legacy of ruin.”

    When confronted with this level of ignorant nonsense in what is alleged to be a respectable publication, we experience the degradation of the Western political and media elite. To argue with nonsense is pointless.

    What we see here with Motyl is the purest expression of the blatant propagandistic lies that flow continually from the likes of Fox “News,” Sean Hannity, the neocon warmongers, the White House, and executive branch and congressional personnel beholden to the military/security complex.

    The lies are too much even for Henry Kissinger.

    As Stephen Lendman, who documents the ever growing anti-Russian propaganda, honestly states: “America’s war on the world rages. Humanity’s greatest challenge is stopping this monster before it destroys everyone.”

    The absurdity of it all! Even a moron knows that if Russia is going to put tanks and troops into Ukraine, Russia will put in enough to do the job. The war would be over in a few days if not in a few hours. As Putin himself said some months ago, if the Russian military enters Ukraine, the news will not be the fate of Donetsk or Mauriupol, but the fall of Kiev and Lviv.

    Former US Ambassador to the Soviet Union (1987-91) Jack Matlock cautioned against the crazed propagandistic attack against Russia in his speech at the National Press Club on February 11. Matlock is astonished by the dismissal of Russia as merely “a regional power” of little consequence to the powerful US military. No country, Matlock says, armed with numerous, accurate, and mobile ICBMs is limited to regional power. This is the kind of hubristic miscalculation that ends in world destruction.

    Matlock also notes that the entirely of Ukraine, like Crimea, has been part of Russia for centuries and that Washington and NATO have no business being in Ukraine.

    He also points out the violations of promises made to Russia not to expand NATO eastward and how this and other acts of US aggression toward Russia have recreated the lack of trust between the two powers that Reagan worked successfully to overcome.

    Reagan’s politeness toward the Soviet leadership and refusal to personalize differences created an era of cooperation that the morons who are Reagan’s successors have thrown away, thus renewing the threat of nuclear war that Reagan and Gorbachev had ended.

    Washington’s foreign policy, Matlock says, is autistic, which he defines as impaired social interaction, failed communication, and restricted and repetitive behavior.

    Read Matlock: http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2015/2015_1-9/2015-08/pdf/10-14_4208.pdf

    Don’t bother with the utter fool Motyl: http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/142840/alexander-j-motyl/goodbye-putin

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