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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri May 13, 2016 2:25 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Truck looks good.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri May 13, 2016 9:24 am

    sepheronx wrote:LADA increases sales
    In April 2016 in Russia sold 24 648 cars LADA, which is by 7.8% more than in April last year, and 10.7% more than in March 2016. According to preliminary estimates, the share of LADA in the Russian market has reached 20%.

    At the same time UAZ sales increase too (by 2%). GAZ sales increased as well.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Mon May 23, 2016 12:08 am

    The new engine KAMAZ P6

    First of all, it is worth noting the high percentage of localization of new KAMAZ P6. Currently, only 25% of the total number of parts and components are foreign purchase. Chief Engineer KAMAZ Fedor Nazarov said that among the foreign products are fuel equipment, which is unique in Russia do not produce, the turbocharger and the camshafts. Negotiations on these names with China, "a sanctions to ensure the stability of the product." KAMAZ also is working with local companies: for camshaft - with the Saratov enterprise "Hammer and Sickle", and is currently a partner Chelny plant.

    When the project started in 2013, according to Fedor Nazarov, it was planned that production will be carried out with use of nearly 100% of components from abroad. Who has made significant strides in this direction: the share of foreign products parts account for 25%. The pool of suppliers for the new engine is 90% of the companies with which KAMAZ works now. In KAMAZ has localized about 100 positions (for example, timing gears and the oil pan, work is underway for the production of pallet made of plastic), 290 - manufactured and will be manufactured at specialized Russian companies.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 27, 2016 7:20 pm

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat May 28, 2016 11:34 am

    sepheronx wrote:The new engine KAMAZ P6

    First of all, it is worth noting the high percentage of localization of new KAMAZ P6. Currently, only 25% of the total number of parts and components are foreign purchase. Chief Engineer KAMAZ Fedor Nazarov said that among the foreign products are fuel equipment, which is unique in Russia do not produce, the turbocharger and the camshafts. Negotiations on these names with China, "a sanctions to ensure the stability of the product." KAMAZ also is working with local companies: for camshaft - with the Saratov enterprise "Hammer and Sickle", and is currently a partner Chelny plant.

    When the project started in 2013, according to Fedor Nazarov, it was planned that production will be carried out with use of nearly 100% of components from abroad. Who has made significant strides in this direction: the share of foreign products parts account for 25%. The pool of suppliers for the new engine is 90% of the companies with which KAMAZ works now. In KAMAZ has localized about 100 positions (for example, timing gears and the oil pan, work is underway for the production of pallet made of plastic), 290 - manufactured and will be manufactured at specialized Russian companies.

    Fuel system= injectors and high pressure fuel pumps.

    Without them it is not possible to compete on the US/Japanese/EU market , because that is required to satisfy the emission standards.
    Developőment of the fuel system require two-five years and 60-200 million $


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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat May 28, 2016 11:38 am

    Singular_trafo wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The new engine KAMAZ P6

    First of all, it is worth noting the high percentage of localization of new KAMAZ P6. Currently, only 25% of the total number of parts and components are foreign purchase. Chief Engineer KAMAZ Fedor Nazarov said that among the foreign products are fuel equipment, which is unique in Russia do not produce, the turbocharger and the camshafts. Negotiations on these names with China, "a sanctions to ensure the stability of the product." KAMAZ also is working with local companies: for camshaft - with the Saratov enterprise "Hammer and Sickle", and is currently a partner Chelny plant.

    When the project started in 2013, according to Fedor Nazarov, it was planned that production will be carried out with use of nearly 100% of components from abroad. Who has made significant strides in this direction: the share of foreign products parts account for 25%. The pool of suppliers for the new engine is 90% of the companies with which KAMAZ works now. In KAMAZ has localized about 100 positions (for example, timing gears and the oil pan, work is underway for the production of pallet made of plastic), 290 - manufactured and will be manufactured at specialized Russian companies.

    Fuel system= injectors and high pressure fuel pumps.

    Without them it is not possible to compete on the US/Japanese/EU market , because that is required to satisfy the emission standards.

    +1.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 28, 2016 5:06 pm

    Singular_trafo wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The new engine KAMAZ P6

    First of all, it is worth noting the high percentage of localization of new KAMAZ P6. Currently, only 25% of the total number of parts and components are foreign purchase. Chief Engineer KAMAZ Fedor Nazarov said that among the foreign products are fuel equipment, which is unique in Russia do not produce, the turbocharger and the camshafts. Negotiations on these names with China, "a sanctions to ensure the stability of the product." KAMAZ also is working with local companies: for camshaft - with the Saratov enterprise "Hammer and Sickle", and is currently a partner Chelny plant.

    When the project started in 2013, according to Fedor Nazarov, it was planned that production will be carried out with use of nearly 100% of components from abroad. Who has made significant strides in this direction: the share of foreign products parts account for 25%. The pool of suppliers for the new engine is 90% of the companies with which KAMAZ works now. In KAMAZ has localized about 100 positions (for example, timing gears and the oil pan, work is underway for the production of pallet made of plastic), 290 - manufactured and will be manufactured at specialized Russian companies.

    Fuel system= injectors and high pressure fuel pumps.

    Without them it is not possible to compete on the US/Japanese/EU market , because that is required to satisfy the emission standards.
    Developőment of the fuel system require two-five years and 60-200 million $

    Then it is possibly good that they purchase it from abroad. I wonder if they may seek a foreign company to eventually open up production locally of those components?
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  kvs on Sat May 28, 2016 6:48 pm

    Russia should stop dicking around. If anything, it can build world class turbochargers. Recall that Russia makes jet engines that
    the Chinese have been unable to reverse engineer since the 1990s. Russian metallurgy is world leading. A freaking turbocharger
    should be a weekend project.

    We see in this case the sort of mess that is afflicting Russian industry. Thanks to comprador drunk Yeltsin and his regime Russian
    manufacturing was nearly destroyed. The Russian banking sector is still distorted thanks to Yeltsin era hives of monetarists who
    sabotage the Russian economy. In the case of turbocharger production what is needed is venture capital and collaboration with
    Russian research institutes. But such startup activity is extremely painful since the banks do not properly serve their roles.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Sat May 28, 2016 7:00 pm

    Well, I imagine that they import certain things in order to be able to export it as well. Russian cars are gaining traction in international sales.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  kvs on Sat May 28, 2016 7:12 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Well, I imagine that they import certain things in order to be able to export it as well.  Russian cars are gaining traction in international sales.

    There is nothing wrong with using imports when it is advantageous. But having the capacity for domestic manufacturing
    of turbochargers is essential since it is a critical component of diesel engines. If Russia wants to be autonomous in
    diesel engine production then it cannot rely on imported turbochargers. And as I said, this is not an engineering challenge
    for Russia. It is a venture startup challenge.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Militarov on Sat May 28, 2016 8:05 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Singular_trafo wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The new engine KAMAZ P6

    First of all, it is worth noting the high percentage of localization of new KAMAZ P6. Currently, only 25% of the total number of parts and components are foreign purchase. Chief Engineer KAMAZ Fedor Nazarov said that among the foreign products are fuel equipment, which is unique in Russia do not produce, the turbocharger and the camshafts. Negotiations on these names with China, "a sanctions to ensure the stability of the product." KAMAZ also is working with local companies: for camshaft - with the Saratov enterprise "Hammer and Sickle", and is currently a partner Chelny plant.

    When the project started in 2013, according to Fedor Nazarov, it was planned that production will be carried out with use of nearly 100% of components from abroad. Who has made significant strides in this direction: the share of foreign products parts account for 25%. The pool of suppliers for the new engine is 90% of the companies with which KAMAZ works now. In KAMAZ has localized about 100 positions (for example, timing gears and the oil pan, work is underway for the production of pallet made of plastic), 290 - manufactured and will be manufactured at specialized Russian companies.

    Fuel system= injectors and high pressure fuel pumps.

    Without them it is not possible to compete on the US/Japanese/EU market , because that is required to satisfy the emission standards.
    Developőment of the fuel system require two-five years and 60-200 million $

    Then it is  possibly good that they purchase it from abroad.  I wonder if they may seek a foreign company to eventually open up production locally of those components?

    Developing high pressure fuel pumps and fuel injection systems truly is expencive and quite technologicaly demanding despite what one might thing, however 200 million is kinda way too much. Maybe if you include R&D plus all possible auxilary expenditures that would anyways happen.

    When its about diesel injection and distribution pumps Bosch is the world leader no question about it, half of the world actually does not have other word for high pressure fuel pumps than "Bosh pump", here everyone calls them that way.

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    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat May 28, 2016 9:33 pm

    Militarov wrote:


    Then it is  possibly good that they purchase it from abroad.  I wonder if they may seek a foreign company to eventually open up production locally of those components?

    Developing high pressure fuel pumps and fuel injection systems truly is expencive and quite technologicaly demanding despite what one might thing, however 200 million is kinda way too much. Maybe if you include R&D plus all possible auxilary expenditures that would anyways happen.

    When its about diesel injection and distribution pumps Bosch is the world leader no question about it, half of the world actually does not have other word for high pressure fuel pumps than "Bosh pump", here everyone calls them that way.

    It is not just the pump, Euro six require more than five independent injection, same of them cubic mm size, so actualy the pump itself is not the most complicated/expensive, but the controling valves for the injector.
    Same company using pieso electric material to control the injection timing and volume.

    But the E6 is not magic, in the of road/marine applications every company happy to use twenty years old, or older technology (there is no emission standard for these).
    Cheaper, emission is not as good, but economy is OK.

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    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat May 28, 2016 10:08 pm

    However to invest into automotive industry makes sense currently if the country willing to use cusotoms to protect the market.


    China has same serious overcapacity in the heavy duty truck business ,ahs enought overcapacity to manufacture turbo chargers and injectors to cover the demand of US & EU & Japan.

    It is Euro 2 standard mainly.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:02 pm


    Serial production of Vektor NEXT has started.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/78578/


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    May car productio in Russia.

    Post  Singular_trafo on Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:26 pm

    Seems like the may of 2016 had the same volume like 2015,so there is no big fall at least, but the 2015 number was low as well.
    Interestingly the heavy duty truck numbers droped by less than the passanger cars.
    Seems like the drying up of the consumer loans due to the high intrest rate killing the car industry in russia.
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:32 pm

    There are incentive programs for buying cars in Russia that mitigate the high interest rates. Actually, luxury car sales grew in 2016 but barely, and Avtovaz seen growth as well (so specific brands) but ultimately, a new interest payment system will be needed for auto like it was for home buyers.

    As I posted earlier, commercial vehicles like Kamaz seen growth. Logistics is expanding thus need for such vehicles will grow.

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    Post  Singular_trafo on Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:11 pm

    sepheronx wrote:There are incentive programs for buying cars in Russia that mitigate the high interest rates. Actually, luxury car sales grew in 2016 but barely, and Avtovaz seen growth as well (so specific brands) but ultimately, a new interest payment system will be needed for auto like it was for home buyers.

    As I posted earlier, commercial vehicles like Kamaz seen growth. Logistics is expanding thus need for such vehicles will grow.

    The class 8 users can get goerment loans, means there is higher demand.
    The market needs low intrest rate, any goverment backed loans simply makes subotimal economic outcome.

    By high chance the goverment will subsidize car buyers who anyway would buy a car.

    There is better way to spend that money.
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:47 pm


    Nissan Murano production started in Russia

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/79371/
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    Re: Russian Car Industry

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    You jerk, you beat me to it.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:17 am


    Mercedes-Benz signs agreement on plant in Moscow environs, officials expect its launch in 2019

    The authorities of the Moscow region expect that production at the Mercedes-Benz plant in the Solnechnogorsky district will begin in 2019, deputy chairman of the Moscow regional government, German Yelyanyushkin said on Wednesday.

    "At the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) an agreement was signed with Mercedes on the placement of production in the environs of Moscow. In 2019, when, we hope, production will be launched, this will create a new living environment in the Solnechnogorsky district," he said during the forum, "Moscow Environs - a Comfortable Environment."

    He said that under the current conditions this agreement is important from a political point of view.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/351888.html
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:30 am

    sepheronx wrote:You jerk, you beat me to it.

    I have studied ninjitsu under sensei JohninMK. Cool

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