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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:38 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Perhaps the biggest news of this year:

    http://top.rbc.ru/business/03/09/2015/55e792339a794758617cbaa2

    Ford will start building car engines (3 different variants of 1.6 liter) in Russia:

    -First car company to start produce car engines domestically
    -Investment of 275 million dollars
    -95% automated
    -Creation of 200 jobs
    -Expected to produce 105,000 engines annually

    And perhaps the best news of all is that the components for the engines will be 100% Russian. Yes, that means all the engine's details.

    russia

    Basically that means, in essential, another U.S. company place an order for engines to Russian manufacturers.

    Another meaning is that, well, sanction my **s.

    BTW, same news, in English.

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150903/1026529756.html

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Neutrality on Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:51 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Perhaps the biggest news of this year:

    http://top.rbc.ru/business/03/09/2015/55e792339a794758617cbaa2

    Ford will start building car engines (3 different variants of 1.6 liter) in Russia:

    -First car company to start produce car engines domestically
    -Investment of 275 million dollars
    -95% automated
    -Creation of 200 jobs
    -Expected to produce 105,000 engines annually

    And perhaps the best news of all is that the components for the engines will be 100% Russian. Yes, that means all the engine's details.

    russia

    Basically that means, in essential, another U.S. company place an order for engines to Russian manufacturers.

    Another meaning is that, well, sanction my **s.

    BTW, same news, in English.

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150903/1026529756.html

    On the same subject: http://autodni.ru/news/284159/

    Volkswagen will also start producing car engines in Russia. No idea about the level of localization though.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:32 pm

    They are going to try to achieve higher localization due to costs reasons.

    Also, the ford plant making the engines wont be first of a foreign brand making engines in Russia. Nissan's H4 engine (I believe it is) is made in Russia for Avtovaz vehicles.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:58 am

    sepheronx wrote:They are going to try to achieve higher localization due to costs reasons.

    Also, the ford plant making the engines wont be first of a foreign brand making engines in Russia. Nissan's H4 engine (I believe it is) is made in Russia for Avtovaz vehicles.

    You mean this ? Question Question Idea

    http://a1perform.com/2015/02/25/avtovaz-will-start-new-engine-production-in-march/

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:11 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:They are going to try to achieve higher localization due to costs reasons.

    Also, the ford plant making the engines wont be first of a foreign brand making engines in Russia. Nissan's H4 engine (I believe it is) is made in Russia for Avtovaz vehicles.

    You mean this ? Question Question Idea

    http://a1perform.com/2015/02/25/avtovaz-will-start-new-engine-production-in-march/

    That is it.

    Although we do not know if it gone through or not. I can only assume due to current economic climate as well as sanctions.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:48 pm


    And now Volkswagen is starting engine production in Russia.

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67254/

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Regular on Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    And now Volkswagen is starting engine production in Russia.

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67254/
    Good, put them in any Russian car and i'll buy it Very Happy

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:35 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:You guys are so sweet sunny

    But yes, KVS, do you happen to know our import laws for automobiles?

    http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html

    Looks like you are out of luck for new vehicles not manufactured in the USA.   Of course, this regulation
    is total BS and designed to secure the market (aka racket) from unwanted competition.    At one stage
    the USSR was exporting Ladas to Canada, so Avtovaz possibly could export again, but it likely has to face all sorts
    of hurdles that don't make it worthwhile.

    This is 100% correct.. Americans Free Market propaganda is completely Bullshit.. that doesn't
    exist. They only promote "Free market" in weak countries ,when they have no competition..
    But when there is competition ,they create "regulations" so they don't experience competition.
    They go to latin america and talk about how they should be free market..and not put obstacles
    to their business..  Laughing    But if anyone wants to Export something to US ,that they feel is strong and damage its own American business ,then they start to regulate.. or asking for special fees and taxes. or simply blockade it.

    American "Capitalism" and the "Free market" is a complete lie.. In a real free market with real capitalism..the Government does NOT interfere with private business ,they are free.In United States operates more like a Communist North Korea .  Where the Government interfere a lot in private business and tell them which nations they can invest or not..  and they use sanctions to gain unfair economical advantage. etc. A government that takes away money from people and give it to 100% private companies ? as was 2008? a Government that blockade its own private Business for doing business with Russia under the pretext of sanctions for a conflict they created in Ukraine?  that is not capitalism that is COmmunism ,heavily rigged business economy. .  United States is a communist fascist two party dictatorship nation.  China is a one party dictatorship communist nation with more freedoms than America on its private business. you never heard of China Economic sanctions on any nation. Russia today is much more capitalist
    nation than United States. with a more free market.

    In positive news.. a new assembly building plant of German cars engines in Russia..

    Volkswagen launches $250 mln euro auto engine factory in central Russia



    http://tass.ru/en/economy/818947

    This is really good news , a really high tech engine factory highly automated with Robots in Russia with all the ins and out.. and hows to do it.. will definitively help Russia expand its knowledge in European Automobile Industry.


    In more news.. which one looks better , the car or the blond model? Laughing


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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  medo on Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:59 am

    Vann7 wrote:In more news.. which one looks better , the car or the blond model? Laughing

    Is there a car? lol!

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:45 am

    Russian Truck Makers Boom Thanks to Sanctions, Cheap Ruble

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:48 am

    What will happened to the neighbor Belaya Rus ? Since according to the article her automotive company is the one who suffers the most.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:19 am

    higurashihougi wrote:What will happened to the neighbor Belaya Rus ? Since according to the article her automotive company is the one who suffers the most.

    Well they've been stubborn on the issue of allowing Russia to have controlling shares in MZKT, and the reality is Russia can't allow itself to be strategically dependent on any company in a foreign country that may be in the future a target of a successful color revolution, so the controlling shares means the patents as well as the production facilities can also be locally produced in Russia. The Kamaz heavy-truck alternatives that are equally as good or even better in quality terms, are even more advantageous with the falling value of the Rouble,.

    While I love the MZKT brand of trucks, Russia can't risk strategic dependency on MZKT and their increasingly expensive trucks unless they're willing to guarantee consistent deliveries via a controlling share owned by Russia. Let's hope Belarus govt. and MZKT executives are smart enough to realize that keeping the majority share isn't worth losing the Russian market. They'll end up losing more money in the long run.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:23 pm

    There is of course the Chinese and Kazakhstan markets. I imagine they will try to obtain new contracts with other countries (If Russia signs a deal woth Saudi Arabia for Iskanders, then Belarus could produce the launch vehies). They are (Russia and Belarus) are working jointly on a new short range mobile sam system, so my bet is it will be a belarussian made vehicle. There will always be a market in Russia for it of course, and I agree, sell shares of it to Russia and have equal shares.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:33 pm

    GAZ group shows off 6 new Gazell Next models
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67381/

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:45 pm

    sepheronx wrote:There is of course the Chinese and Kazakhstan markets.  I imagine they will try to obtain new contracts with other countries (If Russia signs a deal woth Saudi Arabia for Iskanders, then Belarus could produce the launch vehies).  They are (Russia and Belarus) are working jointly on a new short range mobile sam system, so my bet is it will be a belarussian made vehicle.  There will always be a market in Russia for it of course, and I agree, sell shares of it to Russia and have equal shares.

    You can't have a equal share, someone has to have a controlling share, otherwise you'll have problems down the road. The closest thing to a equal share is a 51-49% split.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:47 pm

    That is true now days.

    I guess 50% + 1 share through either side. Belarus should have control share as it is their company. But I agree, let Kamaz or GAZ buy 49% shares.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:02 pm

    sepheronx wrote:GAZ group shows off 6 new Gazell Next models
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67381/

    Nice find, +1 sepheronx!!! thumbsup

    I took the liberty of posting some of the pics from your link, hope you don't mind:




























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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:07 am

    The new Ural­™ trucks looks as tough and rugged as the Ural mountains... lol1

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:47 am

    Thanks for posting the photos. I +1 back for the effort.

    Hopefully these Gazelle Next vehicles will revive GAZ group and their civil products, as Kamaz usually dominates the market. This could be good competition.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:51 am

    This should also fall under automotive (and economy):
    Sino-Russian plant in Kaluga started exporting components for cars in Europe

    So China/Russia co-investments are already paying off.

    Sino-Russian plant for the production of automotive glass "Fuyao Glass Rus" in Kaluga began to export products to Europe. This was announced on 8 September CEO Shi Jun, the international forum "Autoevolution" in Kaluga.

    "We plan to export its products to other countries, have already begun to do so in Belgium, Germany, France, Spain, so now started to implement the second phase of investment," said CEO of the company.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Firebird on Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:07 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The new Ural­™ trucks looks as tough and rugged as the Ural mountains... lol1

    A lot of countries suffer from their automotive offerings being bland.
    American trucks are fairly distinctive, Japanese less often. European tend to be more composite material looking. What I like about Russian is that they look super tough and muscular.

    On a side pt, I think one of the best brands for Russia potentially is Kamaz. Just look at their Dhakar rally performances. If people knew more about that, they could be a terrific export to the West. Maybe they could eextend to sell 4x4s etc or Humvee type vehicles at some pt?

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:15 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:The new Ural­™ trucks looks as tough and rugged as the Ural mountains... lol1

    A lot of countries suffer from their automotive offerings being bland.
    American trucks are fairly distinctive, Japanese less often. European tend to be more composite material looking. What I like about Russian is that they look super tough and muscular.

    On a side pt, I think one of the best brands for Russia potentially is Kamaz. Just look at their Dhakar rally performances. If people knew more about that, they could be a terrific export to the West. Maybe they could eextend to sell 4x4s etc or Humvee type vehicles at some pt?

    There is a western media blackout on the truck part of the Rally. I have only seen reports about the car and motorbike parts.
    Russia will never get fair coverage in the lie factory media.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:54 am

    While the Russian automobile market is down for the year....UAZ has increased sales by 7% throughout 2015

    http://www.autostat.ru/news/view/22852/

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:12 am

    Two bigger news that seems to not be getting attention when it should (Since it will be a big thing for Russias economy and automotive market):

    A new production building of JSC "Magna automotive Rus" was opened in Nizhny Novgorod

    and

    In Ulyanovsk opened a plant for production of automotive parts

    Opening of sites for the production of automotive components is becoming a real thing. A big thing. Localization of parts will help reduce overall costs of the vehicles, while boosting economy due to new jobs and increasing amount of money staying in the country through automotive sales (domestic sales and exports).

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:52 am


    Moscow Times can barely contain their frustration and disappointment.  Razz  Razz  Razz  


    More Bullish News from Russian Auto Industry Thanks to Cheap Ruble


    Global manufacturers have started exporting from Russia due to cost advantages


    http://russia-insider.com/en/business/more-bullish-news-russian-auto-industry-thanks-cheap-ruble/ri9676

    Check several pages back. Everything is happening as I have foretold!!!  angel

    Hour of my vindication has come!!! (although for the record, everyone here agreed with me back then but still... let's just roll with it...lol1)

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