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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:55 am

    Southern military district received mobile Poljana-D4M1 automated command and control. ACS controls all versions of S-300V/BUK/TOR/Pancir/Tunguska

    The newest control system GLONASS entered JUVO

    ACS is designed for automatic control of combat operations mixed air defense group, within which can be system-300V and "Thor" complexes "Beech", "Tunguska" and "Carapace".
    According Gorbulya, the product is placed on the four cars and includes an item battle management, command and staff car, standalone workstations and mobile plant.











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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:07 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    "Rosteh" created holding Army to transfer to the new communication system

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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  Viktor on Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:The idea behind the integrated air defence network is to share data and have a layered missile defence arrangement that also includes interceptor aircraft too.
    If you have an object detected on radar entering your airspace most of the time you will send aircraft to investigate.

    During 1966s Vietnam war three situations became critical in understanding of Russian PVO thought - up to that point S-75 batteries where working independently:

    1 case scenario: 6 Russian S-75 batteries spend 12 missiles to shoot down 2 PQM-34 UAV
    2 case scenario: 2 Russian S-75 batteries spend 7 missiles to shoot down 1 PQM-34 UAV
    3 case scenario: 11 missiles spend to shoot down ECM version of Ryan Model 147 UAV

    In both cases investigation revealed that the drones where shoot down by the missile battery who fired the first. The rest where than shooting on UAV wreckage but the really bad thing
    was that all of the demasked their positions risking USAF retaliation.

    So Russian command draw some conclusions from it:


    -  S-75 batteries are not able to effectively engage areal targets whose numbers are higher than 3 (due to the problems with target distribution and communications) without command  
      from the higher echelon so problems of S-75 battery managment where subjected to mathematical modeling and operational testing and when those solutions where implemented the
    ASURK-1M command post emerged. Army PVO got Krab command post.
       

    Now, Russian mobile command posts are the essence and the basic building blocks of Russian AD concept. They are more powerful than ever before and can simultaneously
    integrate, command, distribute targets between SAMs and PVO aviation,analyze data from different and numerous radar system,manage ECM/ECCM systems,manage ELINT system, decoys etc providing target distribution, ECM/ECCM PVO fighter protection and enemy ECM suppression,provide firing solutions,manage ELINT and communication between subordinate and higher echelon command post of same and different command post classes in every situation.




    Automated control system "Baikal-1 ME"

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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:33 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The idea behind the integrated air defence network is to share data and have a layered missile defence arrangement that also includes interceptor aircraft too.
    If you have an object detected on radar entering your airspace most of the time you will send aircraft to investigate.

    During 1966s Vietnam war three situations became critical in understanding of Russian PVO thought - up to that point S-75 batteries where working independently:

    1 case scenario: 6 Russian S-75 batteries spend 12 missiles to shoot down 2 PQM-34 UAV
    2 case scenario: 2 Russian S-75 batteries spend 7 missiles to shoot down 1 PQM-34 UAV
    3 case scenario: 11 missiles spend to shoot down ECM version of Ryan Model 147 UAV

    In both cases investigation revealed that the drones where shoot down by the missile battery who fired the first. The rest where than shooting on UAV wreckage but the really bad thing
    was that all of the demasked their positions risking USAF retaliation.

    So Russian command draw some conclusions from it:


    -  S-75 batteries are not able to effectively engage areal targets whose numbers are higher than 3 (due to the problems with target distribution and communications) without command  
       from the higher echelon so problems of S-75 battery managment where subjected to mathematical modeling and operational testing and when those solutions where implemented the
      ASURK-1M command post emerged. Army PVO got Krab command post.
       

    Now, Russian mobile command posts are the essence and the basic building blocks of Russian AD concept. They are more powerful than ever before and can simultaneously
    integrate, command, distribute targets between SAMs and PVO aviation,analyze data from different and numerous radar system,manage ECM/ECCM systems,manage ELINT system, decoys etc providing target distribution, ECM/ECCM PVO fighter protection and enemy ECM suppression,provide firing solutions,manage ELINT and communication between subordinate and higher echelon command post of same and different command post classes in every situation.




    Automated control system "Baikal-1 ME"

    Integration of first SAMs like S-75, S-125 and S-200 in IADS with higher level command posts were quite soon possible as those systems were stationary and their coordinates were fixed for longer time and positions were connected by cables. They could put another working console with a scope in battery command post or in additional van to coordinate work with higher level command and to give radar picture to them and to receive radar picture from other sources and target delivery from higher command. Maybe at beginning they got only target delivery, but even these improve capabilities of old SAMs. I don't know, if such export old SAMs have such capabilities to integrate in higher level of command chain. Iran made their own modifications in their S-200 complexes with additional working consoles to integrate their S-200 batteries in their IADS.

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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  Viktor on Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:36 pm

    Well this settles all ... the vehicle in question is highly modernized PU12M7  build specialy with UAV/UCAV in mind



    Due to the wide spread of the UAV task was to deal with them. Therefore, serial battery command post control group PU12M7 combat vehicles "Strela-10", ZSU-23, "Tunguska", "Thor", MANPADS was decided to adapt to deal with the UAV and its work in this new capacity

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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:49 pm

    Viktor wrote:Well this settles all ... the vehicle in question is highly modernized PU12M7  build specialy with UAV/UCAV in mind



    Due to the wide spread of the UAV task was to deal with them. Therefore, serial battery command post control group PU12M7 combat vehicles "Strela-10", ZSU-23, "Tunguska", "Thor", MANPADS was decided to adapt to deal with the UAV and its work in this new capacity

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    Looks interesting, but in all likeness that version of the complex probably won't be built, however the version of the complex built on the Boomerang, Kurganets, Typhoon, and Armata vehicle platforms will probably be built in serious numbers!  Very Happy

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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:43 pm

    Actually the old BTR design should stay in production for some time and it will likely be lighter than boomerang (12-14 tons vs 25+ for boomerang).

    This would likely make it cheaper to operate and heavier armour might not be that much use for such a vehicle.

    If it is operated as separate units attached to brigades and divisions when needed then vehicle chassis commonality might not be so critical.

    Interesting looking vehicle.


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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  Viktor on Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:25 pm

    Acacia being offered for export is a powerful weapon to any army in the world as we are talking about mighty command post.

    CMO introduced a system of command and control "Acacia-E" at Airshow China 2014 exhibition

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    Distributed AD network...?

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:24 am

    This thread is not really about Russia, I really did not know where to post it, there are no subforums for general military discussion.

    I am not an AD expert and I wonder - is it possible to create an air defence network that is decentralized so much that it is not possible to render it useless by destroying just a few key assets? During the Gulf War the entire Iraqi AD system was virtually decapitated during the 1st day of the operation and the critical part was a raid of a handful of AH-64s .

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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  Viktor on Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:58 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:This thread is not really about Russia, I really did not know where to post it, there are no subforums for general military discussion.

    I am not an AD expert and I wonder - is it possible to create an air defence network that is decentralized so much that it is not possible to render it useless by destroying just a few key assets? During the Gulf War the entire Iraqi AD system was virtually decapitated during the 1st day of the operation and the critical part was a raid of a handful of AH-64s .

    Yes it is possible. Problem with Iraq was that its AD netwoork was to oriented towards Iran and not the planned vectors of US invasion. Furthermore it was centralized with

    5 fixed command posts with known locations and once you bombard those the whole netwoork ceased to exist. That was a French Kari AD netwoork with higly limited capability.

    Russian made AD netwoorks are organized in a manner that even if some of the key AD aspects are destroyed the netwoork itself recalibrates to a next most optimum solution

    momentarely and keeps on firing Very Happy

    Here is an example of Russian Army PVO command post integration (all mobile).


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    Re: Integrated Air Defence Systems - Command Posts

    Post  Viktor on Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:30 pm

    Foundation-1M/2M/3M begin to replace the previous command structure Field/Base/Nivaof the Russian Radar troops.


    Radio engineering troops TSB received complex "foundation-M"

    Complex "The foundation-M" is designed to automate the process of collecting and processing information from different radars, it can effectively control the sources of information about the traffic situation and provide data to the control points.

    Here are some pics of the mobile version taken by Vitaly



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