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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:09 am

    Be patient Austin. I am sure we will see some.
    In the meanwhile, here is 20382 variant of the 20380. It is slightly different.


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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Mindstorm on Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:39 am

    Viktor wrote:
    Austin wrote:Future Carrier for RuN with PAK-FA ......80 K T displacement

    http://flotprom.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=147796


    WoW Very Happy Very Happy  Looks great and PAK-FA on it looks intimidating


    Yes ,it look intimidating with PAKFA and......with Wink 

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:03 am

    Looks like PAK-FA and Mig-29 Wink

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:33 am

    More info about the model aircraft carrier (concept design)

    - 2.5 bin $ carrier itself
    - 12.1 bin $ (development and construction ?? does not make sense)
    - 80 000 ton displacement
    - 2 ski jumps and four catapults
    - 40 fighters (PAK-FA and MIG-29)
    - non nuclear



    The Russian aircraft carrier was estimated at 400 billion rubles

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:36 am

    After Nicaragua bought 6 Russian ships, Kazahstan buys 2 project 10750E.

    Kazakhstan will buy two Russian trawlers

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:06 pm

    I think what it means is 80 billion is the cost of plan jane carrier (Hull ) and 400 billion roubles is the cost of the Aircraft , Weapons ,Sensorsand other related stuff ..... its expensive considering its not even nuclear but then I think you wont get such things cheap any ways.

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:59 am

    Antisubmarine/Patrol version of the Buyan Corvette.
    Lighter main gun (probably 57mm), torpedos (probably Paket) and Gibka SAM. Plus a UAV.


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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:00 am

    Ka-52K (Naval)


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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:05 am



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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Austin on Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:30 pm

    Nice Graphic presentation of Klub Missile at IMDS 2013 , Its interesting to see how the supersonic missile just drops from subsonic cover and how the torpedo falls from missile ....very nice concept .......Klub I feel has a lot of ingenuity and few firsts to its credits.



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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Viktor on Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:43 pm

    Few more pictures

    LINK

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:09 pm

    Nice Graphic presentation of Klub Missile at IMDS 2013 , Its interesting to see how the supersonic missile just drops from subsonic cover and how the torpedo falls from missile ....very nice concept .......Klub I feel has a lot of ingenuity and few firsts to its credits.

    All the missiles are based on the Granat... known in the west as SS-N-21 Sampson, which was a 2,500km range cruise missile with a nuclear warhead only.

    They have taken that design and pretty much expanded the family to include something that could have replaced Moskit (ie supersonic anti ship), Styx (subsonic anti ship) and SS-N-15 ( ballistic rocket to deliver torpedo to area of detected enemy submarine) or SS-N-14 which also delivered torpedos to submerged targets or surface targets with a subsonic winged missile.

    The UKSK unified launcher means one ship with one UKSK launcher can be a Sovremmeny (ie 8 Moskits), or a Udaloy (ie 8 SS-N-14), but they took it a step further and added Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos capability for supersonic anti ship and land attack capability but they also have Kalibr which is a modern equivalent of Granat and is a 2,500km range missile with new guidance to allow conventional and nuclear warheads to be used.

    For all we know the granat subsonic cruise missile might have had the same improvements made to it that the Kh-101 and Kh-102 have had which means they might actually be the 5,000km range cruise missiles they are talking about in some articles on new Russian ships.

    Of course it is also possible they might be unifying the Kh-101/102 design at sea and in the air.

    Note the UKSK launcher can be fitted to ships and Subs and the two different ballistic anti sub missiles that deliver torpedoes are for the two different types of launcher (Sub and Ship).

    Very clever system and as the ships get larger the armament combinations become more flexible... a Corvette might have some anti ship missiles and some anti sub missiles, while much larger vessels might carry a few long range cruise missiles on a longer voyage...


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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:17 pm

    From Viktors link... Grad-M:



    As the name suggests... Grad-M an artillery MRLS.



    In this shot you can see the hatches under the launch tubes... with the launch tubes vertical the hatches can open... the question is... does a fully loaded pallet of rockets in their tubes get raised up onto the launcher so they can be turned to aim at the target and be fired, or do the rockets get raised up into the tubes of the launcher to reload?

    Equally if it uses pallets can it carry the same range of types as the land based equivalent (ie 122mm, 220mm, and 300mm... Grad, Uragan, Smerch), or is it just 122mm?


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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:32 am

    Naval Tor-M2KM




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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:36 am

    Latest proposal on the unfinished Taman frigate (project 11541)



    Other proposal (model)








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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:40 pm

    Is nobody curious about the diffrent wingtip jamming pod on Ka-52K model?

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Viktor on Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:44 pm

    New pics

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  xeno on Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:11 pm

    Interesting two proposals of 11356


    Redout system with 32 units


    VLS Stl with 36 units

    Which one will Indians choose for their next order?

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:32 pm

    Hopefully something more interesting.

    A-190 same as 20380s.
    Paket-NK.
    Palash.

    To get more wild: Integrated Mast, and Redut.
    A man can dream right?

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:48 am

    So what exactly is Redoubt SAM any information ? is it 9M96 or something new

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:30 am

    Austin wrote:So what exactly is Redoubt SAM any information ? is it 9M96 or something new

    Redut is based on 9M96 missile family. Redut-Poliment is the AESA radar suit + 9M96 missiles.

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:25 am

    Thanks , If India opts for 3-4 more Krivak frigate then it would most certainly be VLS Shtil-1 as for next gen of Naval SAM , IN has invested in Barak-8 JV along with Israel

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:33 am

    xeno wrote:Interesting two proposals of 11356


    Redout system with 32 units

    Which one will Indians choose for their next order?

    Like I said it would most likely be Shtil-1 VLS

    I wonder what guides the Redut in this new configuration as 11356 dont have AESA ( Poliment ) , I assume its Orekh FCS same as Shtil-1 ?

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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:29 am

    Redoubt is to S-400 what Rif-M is to S-300...

    More importantly see the model of the UKSK:



    Note 8 tubes of which the far away four are open with the missiles sticking up... from the left the pointed nose of the anti sub rocket propelled torpedo for surface launch 91RTE2 missile, the next missile with its nose mounted ramjet inlet is Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos, with the third missile clearly the subsonic/supersonic 3M-54E Club missile, and last but not least the Kalibr subsonic long range missile with land attack or anti ship capabilities.


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    Re: 2013 Naval Show - St. Petersburg

    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:41 am

    Nice find Garry , Looks modular to accept all Russian Missiles

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