NickM wrote: Ok . So what do you think is the peak velocity of the S-300, S-400, and S-350 missiles because it can't be more than the Patriot ?
I think you are just another victim of US propaganda . Remember that US sells weapons.. and they need to advertise
everything being better than any other technology in the world or any time in future. It was the same with the F-117..
Most Americans believed it was 'undetectable' and movies were made to showcase its invincibility . Until it was shot down in serbia by a very old soviet sam..and that was the last time it flew it was canceled after that.
So americans have been mislead by its own government ,to think that no other cultures can do anything better than them.
But reality is that we are all humans.. and (IF education is the same) there is nothing that stop anyone in a foreign nation to have an engineer or scientist as capable is not better than in the west. The only advantage that US had over other countries (at least in the past).. was MONEY.. that they could hire the best international scientist to make technology for them. Just like the atomic Bombs. that was created by a group of the best international scientist money could buy.. but the project leader an american(Robert Oppenheimer) took credit for it. when in reality it was an italian Enrico Fermi ,the soul of the project and the real father of the atomic bomb..who created the first nuclear reactor in the world . Tesla and Newton none of them were americans either. one serbian the other german jew but they migrated to US for its economy .There are more than 1,000 Russians working for INTEL.. in case you didnt knew. There is also lots of Indians too. The discovery of 'stealth technology' the way to reduce radar signature was the work of a russian scientist who worked for US after collpase of Soviet Union.. And its discoveries allowed americans to create stealth planes first before of anyone . That said.. a scientist is a scientist and its nationality is irrelevant. What matters is its education and the funding and support he receive for its investigation. Cost a lot of money to design things.. specially for defense industry.
Here is american secret weapon in technology..
Since Russia lacks the economy to produce/maintain a huge navy and airforce like US have for many decades . Russia have been focused instead ,in improving their defensive weapons and its nuclear deterrence . This is the reason why Russia is far ahead of NATO in rocket propulsion and tactical missiles. While US was throwing away their money in irrelevant space flights to plant a flag in the moon ,space stations ,building a huge navy and airforce ,middle east wars..and Foreign Aid.. ie.. busy creating an Empire..Russia was quietly working in the research of defensive weapons and modernizing their military technology
and to answer your question.. lol
When it comes to Sam defenses..but also cruise missiles and ballistic missiles IMO.. US and NATO are at least
2 or even 3 decades behind Russia. Since they have supersonic missiles since the soviet union times in early 80's and NATO have none ..Now Russia is testing with India *Hypersonic* cruise missiles with mach 5.0 speeds
and NATO have yet to release a single supersonic mach 1.0 cruise missile.
Some numbers for you..
Sams defenses missiles speed and others
Air defense systems
Patriots pac-3/Sm-2... mach 4-5.0. (main NATO defense system) range 160-190km
RIM-162 ESSM mach 4.0 50km
US aegis SM-3 ~mach 8.0 (limited only to ballistic Non maneuverable missiles in space)
S-300s .... mach 7.0. range 200km
S-400s...... mach 12.0. range 400km
S-500s .... mach 20.0 range 600km (still in test)
Russian A-135 mach --- super classified.. main Russian defense system against nuclear ICBM.
rare videos on internet ,they appear to be at least 5x faster than Iskanders in
acceleration. an like 2-3x times of topol.. so their speed should be around mach 30 or more.
Russian Iskanders-m mach 9.0 ~500km-800km range
Russian topol M.. mach 24.0 11,000 km range
Cruise missiles speed..
US Tomahawks /harpoon ... mach 0.8 (NATO main land attack and anti-ship missiles) ~2500km / 120km
Russia Kalibr/Oniks ... ~mach 3.0 ~2600km/ 300km/700km
Russia kh-31 .... ~mach 4.0 (launched from airplanes anti-ship) ~200km range
Russia/India brahmos2 ...~ mach 5.0 (first world hypersonic cruise missiles) 300km
If you want to know what US Navy thinks of Russian Kalibr antiship cruise missiles.. read here.
In comparison notice how slow subsonic missiles are..
here is the latest NATO cruise missile..[NSM] made by norway..
better than US harpoon with 300km range but still subsonic speed.
Russian pilots part of their training is defeat cruise missiles by chasing them and using IR missiles.
In the other hand you can't chase a super sonic mach 3 cruise missile... with a combat jet
To your original question..As you can see..' it can be more than Patriots'..of course it can.
US or NATO don't have the technology exclusive. Is available for all. What USA is for Computers and electronics..
Russia is for rocket propulsion and missiles. But contrary to US that have the help of all NATO countries
and Israel to develop their hardware.. Russia almost have to do it all alone.
here is a video that shows an F-22 being defeated by a light and much cheaper combat jet..
Modern Russian Sukhois will have a much easier time than a french Rafale planes since they have
3d vector engines..and are much more maneuverable than any other modern plane.
Moral of the story ,Each country have their own advantages
in their own things. And in military hardware Russia is not only competitive with NATO in most things but at times even surpassing them. Which is good ,competition is what drives innovation.
a good report that illustrate Russian progress with military technology for missiles
but also combat planes .