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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    except km-sam is already operational and in mass production...
    while viutaz is not even in testing...it lags allot.
    there is a reason new assembly buildings for A-A are under construction.

    No big surprise that KM-SAM is in production and operational... the UAE got Pantsir-S1 first too... for the same reason... they paid for it.
    they were introduced at about the same time. Vytaz is not even tested -yet.It was announced in late 90s .... This is too slow and too much money is wasted is slow programs.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  medo on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:40 pm

    South Korean money? Missiles were first developed for S-300 and later S-400 use. Later were used for KM-SAM, where AA cooperate in its development and than Russian MoD start with Vityaz project with many things already developed. Anyway any development take its time to build and test components and a complex as a whole.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:40 pm

    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    except km-sam is already operational and in mass production...
    while viutaz is not even in testing...it lags allot.
    there is a reason new assembly buildings for A-A are under construction.

    No big surprise that KM-SAM is in production and operational... the UAE got Pantsir-S1 first too... for the same reason... they paid for it.
    they were introduced at about the same time. Vytaz is not even tested -yet.It was announced in late 90s .... This is too slow and too much money is  wasted is slow programs.

    Just because it was announced, does not mean serious work started.

    What do you know about the money spent on the program? Talking out of your ass again?

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:17 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:21 pm

    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

    Or maybe that hall is not for final assembly?

    Are you really this thick?

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

    Or maybe that hall is not for final assembly?

    Are you really this thick?

    Such a BIG and large hall not used for anything much??? affraid ...yeah talk avout wasting resourses....Rolling Eyes 

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:44 am

    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

    Or maybe that hall is not for final assembly?

    Are you really this thick?

    Such a BIG and large hall not used for anything much???  affraid ...yeah talk avout wasting resourses....Rolling Eyes 

    You are daft.

    If you noticed, it was a showcasing of the Vityaz system. It really wasn't that large looking, at least nowhere near as to the facility I work at.

    What I find amazing is how you can put 2+2 together by looking at 1 picture of a few angles.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

    Or maybe that hall is not for final assembly?

    Are you really this thick?

    Such a BIG and large hall not used for anything much???  affraid ...yeah talk avout wasting resourses....Rolling Eyes 

    You are daft.

    If you noticed, it was a showcasing of the Vityaz system.  It really wasn't that large looking, at least nowhere near as to the facility I work at.

    What I find amazing is how you can put 2+2 together by looking at 1 picture of a few angles.  
    actually i looked at the whole video of it ,but thanks for your "constructive" criticism.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:38 am

    Designation of Vityaz system: S-350E

    http://www.raspletin.ru/press-centre/newspaper/archive/2013/06/06-13.pdf

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  gaurav on Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:37 pm

    Designation of Vityaz system: S-350E

    I converted your pdf to English by google translation..

    There is no word on the missiles used in S-350E.
    So nothing can be said about the missiles/weapons as such.Cool

    There is no official interview/comment from the manufacturer about the missiles.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:47 am

    gaurav wrote:
    Designation of Vityaz system: S-350E

    I converted your pdf to English by google translation..

    There is no word on the missiles used in S-350E.
    So nothing can be said about the missiles/weapons as such.Cool

    There is no official interview/comment from the manufacturer about the missiles.

    It is mentioned several times in the article. probably your google translation sucks.

    Все эти аспекты учтены ОАО «ГСКБ
    «Алмаз-Антей» при разработке перспективной
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    дальности С-350Е, которая.....

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:09 pm

    Russia to Unveil New Air Defense System at MAKS-2013

    MOSCOW, August 24 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Almaz-Antei corporation will showcase for the first time its newest S-350E Vityaz mid-range air defense system at the upcoming MAKS-2013 air show near Moscow, the company said.

    The Vityaz, which is expected to replace the outdated S-300 systems, is superior to similar foreign models, according to Almaz-Antei statement released on Friday.

    The new Russian system was reportedly shown to President Vladimir Putin during his June 19 visit to a St. Petersburg plant where it is being manufactured by the Almaz-Antei corporation.

    The system has been in the works since 2007 and features advanced all-aspect phased array radar, a new mobile command post and a launcher carrying 12 vertical-launch missiles, which will use a variant of the 9M96 active radar homing missile, according to the company.

    Almaz-Antey plans to hand over the system to the Russian Defense Ministry for testing before the end of 2013 and start deliveries to the Russian military next year.

    The Vityaz will complement the Morfey, the S-400 and the S-500 air defense systems in the future aerospace defense network to engage targets at ranges from five to 400 kilometers, and at altitudes from five meters to near space.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Viktor on Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:41 pm

    2 Radar per battery?! for achieving ultimate

    - 16 aerodynamical targets with 32 missiles per battery

    - 12 ballistic (tactical) targets with 24 missiles per battery





    The structure AAMS include:

    - command and control point (FDR) 50K6E

    - multifunction radar (MFR) 50N6E (up to 2 units)Shocked Shocked Shocked 

    - launchers (PU) 50P6E (up to 8 units) with twelve anti-aircraft guided missiles, medium-range 9M96E2 (developer - of "ICD" Torch "to them. PD Grushin").


    The main highlight of the AAMS is a multi-function radar detection of air targets of a new type has no analogues in Russia. This station is the main communication tool of S-350E, running in a circular and sectoral modes and provides support for up to 100 targets. Management of MPR and PU are remotely controlled from the point of command and control, which can be removed from them at a distance of 2 km. All components of the unified air defense missile systems placed on the chassis BAZ-69092-012, manufactured by JSC "Bryansk Wheeled Tractor Plant." The launcher is designed for the transportation, storage, automatic prelaunch and launch anti-aircraft missiles. Missile launches are possible at intervals of 2 seconds System C-350E is capable of hitting up to 16 wind or up to 12 ballistic targets, the maximum number of simultaneously induced SAM - 32. This provides aerodynamic loss targets at ranges from 1.5 to 60 km and altitude - from 0.01 to 30 km, and ballistic - from 1.5 to 30 km, and from 2 to 25 km, respectively. Time to bring funds AAMS on alert after a march of only five minutes, a crew - 3 people. The system has high mobility and survivability, can operate autonomously, conducting independent military operations, as well as in the air-defense groups in the management of higher command posts. Combat operation of S-350E is fully automatic, and provides only a crew trained to work AAMS and controls the subsequent course of the fighting.


    LINK








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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:03 am

    Viktor wrote:2 Radar per battery?! for achieving ultimate
    'Ultimate' would be something like the Buk series, with a radar each per launcher

    The main highlight of the AAMS is a multi-function radar detection of air targets of a new type has no analogues in Russia. This station is the main communication tool of S-350E, running in a circular and sectoral modes and provides support for up to 100 targets. Management of MPR and PU are remotely controlled from the point of command and control, which can be removed from them at a distance of 2 km. All components of the unified air defense missile systems placed on the chassis BAZ-69092-012, manufactured by JSC "Bryansk Wheeled Tractor Plant." The launcher is designed for the transportation, storage, automatic prelaunch and launch anti-aircraft missiles. Missile launches are possible at intervals of 2 seconds System C-350E is capable of hitting up to 16 wind or up to 12 ballistic targets, the maximum number of simultaneously induced SAM - 32. This provides aerodynamic loss targets at ranges from 1.5 to 60 km and altitude - from 0.01 to 30 km, and ballistic - from 1.5 to 30 km, and from 2 to 25 km, respectively. Time to bring funds AAMS on alert after a march of only five minutes, a crew - 3 people. The system has high mobility and survivability, can operate autonomously, conducting independent military operations, as well as in the air-defense groups in the management of higher command posts. Combat operation of S-350E is fully automatic, and provides only a crew trained to work AAMS and controls the subsequent course of the fighting.
    What is the S-350 supposed to replace exactly? Anyone have an answer?
    Because by these specifications it looks like a sort of medium-range SAM system similar to the Buk-M2/M3 or S-125 Pechora; rather than a follow on for the S-300 system.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:33 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    What is the S-350 supposed to replace exactly? Anyone have an answer?
    Because by these specifications it looks like a sort of medium-range SAM system similar to the Buk-M2/M3 or S-125 Pechora; rather than a follow on for the S-300 system.
    This thing supposedly used to replace the old S-300PS that still using shorter range 5V55 family with range of only 75-92 Km.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Viktor on Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:10 pm

    Few points:

    - I believe AAMS in Russia vocabulary referes to regimental setup of air defense systems (in that case minimum 2 batteries make one regiment (AAMS)

    - It seems that per battery S-350E will be able to shoot down 16 aerodynamical targets with 32 missiles and 12 ballistic with 24 missiles

    - 8 launchers per battery for a 12 missile launcher makes 96 missiles which is enough for 3 shootings (36 missile salvo) and 48 targets

    - Vityaz is said to be ready by 2015 (and thats 2.5 years away). I believe we will see 60 and 120-150km range missile integrated

    - Radar is apparently something to brag about so I dont doubt 150km range missiles we will see.

    - Perhaps MAKS-2013 will reveal some more info about it.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  medo on Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:06 pm

    Considering it is about S-350E (export), I think export version will use only shorter range 9M96 missile, while domestic will for sure use 100+ km range missiles.

    I wonder if those export S-350E missiles are same as for Buk-M3? Buk-M3 should have around 70 km range.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Sujoy on Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:37 pm

    flamming_python wrote:What is the S-350 supposed to replace exactly? Anyone have an answer?
    Apart from the S 300PS , S 350 could replace older SAMs like the S-125 adding multiple-target and anti-missile capabilities at the same time . Also , there should be 2 configurations of the S 350 :

    1.A configuration optimized for protecting against high-precision weapons & UAVs ( Simultaneous engagement of 8 targets). 4 launchers with 32 small missiles.

    2. A multi role version . 2 radars and 8 launchers .

    9M96 missile - 40km range with passive IR homing
    9M100 - IR guided approx 10km range .

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Viktor on Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:40 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:What is the S-350 supposed to replace exactly? Anyone have an answer?
    Apart from the S 300PS , S 350  could replace older SAMs like the S-125 adding multiple-target and anti-missile capabilities at the same time . Also , there should be 2 configurations of the S 350 :

    1.A  configuration optimized for protecting against high-precision weapons & UAVs ( Simultaneous engagement of 8 targets). 4 launchers with 32 small missiles.

    2. A multi role version . 2 radars and 8 launchers .

    9M96 missile - 40km range with passive IR homing
    9M100 - IR guided approx 10km range .
    1. Even Pancir-S1 is excellent replacement of S-125 Very Happy 

    2. Every Vityaz is a multirole version on its own and can shoot down UAV, ballistic missiles, winged missiles, fighters etc

    3. I believe there will be no setups other than one. One shooting radar per one battery. 16 targets per shooting radar for aerodynamic targets and 12 for ballistic ones (double the missiles)

    4. It could be that 9M96 missiles will be the only type of missiles that we will see with Vityaz in Russian service because there will be no need for mixed missile combo as there will always be Morfei somewhere around. Thats how Russian air defense work. However that setup can be interesting for export to countries that have limited amount of money.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  mack8 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:44 am

    At least for what we think it's the export version, the missiles seems to be 9M96E2, max. range 60 km according to the specs.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:15 am

    More Vityaz pictures

    http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/203840.html

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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:16 am

    At least for what we think it's the export version, the missiles seems to be 9M96E2, max. range 60 km according to the specs.
    Keep in mind that the domestic model will certainly have much greater range missiles, with the S-400 9M96 missiles being used in two versions with a 40km range and a 120km range.

    If they follow tradition then for export they might have models with half that range with a 20km and a 60km range model, which might mean they could perhaps just have the heavier missile for export and use full range versions for domestic use.

    Keep in mind that for export the Vityaz might be the primary long range SAM, but within the Russian Air Force it will be the system that fits between Pantsir-S1 and the S-400... it is a numbers missile that will replace pretty much all medium range missiles like the SA-3 and SA-2 and old model SA-10.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Viktor on Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:57 pm

    Bastion Karpenko about Vityaz with specification and ton of pictures

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/s-350%D0%B5_vityaz_maks_2013/




    Next, give the information to the prospectus, "The anti-aircraft missile system S-350E" Knight "presented GSKB" Almaz-Antey "at the MAKS-2013.

    Anti-aircraft missile system S-350E "Knight"

    PURPOSE
    ► Anti-aircraft missile system of medium-range S-350E is designed for the defense of administrative, industrial and military facilities from the massive strikes of current and future air threats.
    ► S-350E is able to simultaneously reflect the impacts of different types of air attack from any direction (round) at all altitudes of their flight - from extremely low to high altitudes.
    ► S-350E can operate autonomously, conducting independent military operations, as well as in the air-defense groups in the management of higher command posts.
    ► combat operation of S-350E is fully automatically. Combat crew prepares the AAMS to work and monitors the progress of hostilities.

    COMPOSITION
    ► Item command and control 50K6E
    ► Multifunction radar 50N6E (up to 2)
    ► Launchers 50P6E (up to 8 )with 12 anti-aircraft guided missiles, medium-range 9M96E2

    SPECIFICATIONS

    ► The maximum number of simultaneously targeted objectives:
    -aerodynamic-16
    - Ballistic -12
    ► The maximum number of simultaneously induced by anti-aircraft guided missiles 32
    ► Area defeat aerodynamic purposes:
    - the minimum / maximum range of 1.5 / 60 km
    - the minimum / maximum height of 10m- / 30 km
    zone ► defeat ballistic purposes:
    - the minimum / maximum range of -1.5 / s0 km
    - the minimum / maximum height -2/25 km
    ► Time to bring funds into the embattled from the march - 5 minutes
    ► combat crew-3 people

    MULTI RADAR 50N6E

    Multi-function radar is the primary communication tool of S-350E and working in circular and sectoral modes. Combat operation multifunction radar is completely indifferent operator automatically by remote control from the point of command and control.
    ► The maximum number of targets tracked in the mode of piste maintenance -100,
    ► Maximum number of tracked targets in a precise auto-tracking mode - 8.
    ► Max ¬ Mykh is accompanied by anti-aircraft missiles - 16
    ► Speed ​​azimuth - 40 rev / min
    ► The maximum distance to the command and control -2 km

    ITEM command and control 50K6E

    Item command and control is designed to manage multi-function radars and launchers. Item command and control provides the interface with the adjacent S-350E and the higher command post.
    ► The total number of tracked trails - 200.
    ► The maximum distance to the next command and control of S-350E - 15 km
    ► Maximum distance to a higher command post - 30 km

    LAUNCHER 50P6E

    The launcher is designed for the transportation, storage, automatic prelaunch and launch anti-aircraft guided missiles
    ► The number of anti-aircraft missiles on the launcher -12.
    ► The minimum interval between launches anti-aircraft missiles - 2
    ► Time of loading / unloading - 30 min.
    ► The maximum distance to the point of command and control - 2 km

    Anti-aircraft guided missile of 9M96E2

    ► Starting weight - 420 kg
    ► Average speed-900-1000 m / s
    ► Type of guidance - inertial with radio.
    ► Type-homing active radar
    ► type of warhead-high-explosive
    ► Warhead weight - 24 kg





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    Re: Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  Austin on Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:27 pm

    ^^ Great Pictures Smile

    What is the idea of developing S-350E from a SAM that is part of S-400 system and using the same PESA type radar , duplicating what already exists ?

    What does Vityaz bring to the table that S-400 doesnt and the purpose of Vityaz system ?

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    Post  Viktor on Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:49 am

    Austin wrote:^^ Great Pictures Smile

    What is the idea of developing S-350E from a SAM that is part of S-400 system
    I think that Russia will use S-400 with 400km and 250km range missiles only because where ever S-400 goes there will be  Vityaz to provide two more protective layers with 9M96 class

    missiles. Countries that can not afford to spend much money on airdefense but still want to have credible air defense network might find interesting solution where S-400 combines

    48N6 class with 250km range with 9M96 (40 and 120) km range versions all in one package.

    Austin wrote:and using the same PESA type radar , duplicating what already exists ?
    Other than its not AESA we know nothing about Vityaz radar. Russians praise it very highly and are extremely satisfied with it so there is no reason why we should not be either.

    On the other hand US ships use PESA as well as Europeans when construction their air defense network and I dont see anyone complaining that for instance radar systems of the USN

    AEGIS system are not AESA but PESA.



    Austin wrote:What does Vityaz bring to the table that S-400 doesnt and the purpose of Vityaz system ?
    Vityaz has few more years of testing before we see its final configuration and its final specifications.

    It is said to enter service in 2015 and that 30 batteries will be made by 2020. Do you know what that means given specification we now know for the export version of this system.

    1. 30 batteries can guide

    - on aerodynamic targets 960 missiles on 480 targets and still have missiles for two more shooting
    - on ballistic targets 720 missiles on 360 targets and still have missiles for three more shooting

    For instance Syria has aprox. 150 different air defense batteries. All those batteries (5 times more than 30 Vityaz batteries Russia will buy up to 2020) do not have as nearly target guidance channels as 30 Vityaz batteries. Imagine ability to repel close to 500 targets with 1000 missiles with 30 batteries Very Happy Shocked Very Happy . Talk about saturation. Twisted Evil 

    2. Deployment time 5 min (Russian standard - best in the world)
    3. Automatization (three man crew)
    4. Reloading (half an hour) - much better than with S-300
    5. 3 times more missiles than S-300
    6. I believe range of 9M96 missiles are at least double the range of missiles that 9M96 class is set to replace
    7. System is build with low design risk and low production cost but has great modernization potential and as we saw what happened to S-300 system during years we can only scrab
       our hands and observe with satisfaction. That also means Vityaz will be produced on time and on budget and after 2020 we can expect to see its first modernizations.
       Still in its capabilities it represents quantum leap in comparison with the systems it is set to replace (older S-300 systems, S-125 and S-75)
    8. Excellent low level coverage
    9. Excellent capability to integrate in forming independant air defense network (all S-350Es), integration with lower and higher tier command posts significantly increasing its efficiency in  
       the process.
    10. ...

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