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    Ukraine adopts new anti-tank missile system

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:24 pm

    Ukraine adopts new anti-tank missile system


    The Ukrainian military has adopted a new indigenous anti-tank missile system also capable of destroying low-altitude, slow-moving aerial targets, the Defense Ministry said on Wednesday.

    Stugna-P has been developed by Kiev-based Luch design bureau to compete with foreign models of the same class.

    The laser-guided system has a range of 4,000 meters and can penetrate armor up to 800 millimeters thickness.

    The system is capable of destroying armored vehicles, small fortifications and even helicopters hovering at low altitudes, the ministry said.

    The Ukrainian military has ordered at least ten Stugna-P systems so far, according to other sources.

    KIEV, April 20 (RIA Novosti)

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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:06 am

    So in performance terms it is Konkurs regarding range, Kornet regarding guidance system, and ATAKA in terms of armour penetration.

    Quite a mix.
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  IronsightSniper on Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:40 pm



    Nothing revolutionary.
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 01, 2011 1:50 am

    Looks like a large missile and the boxes seem quite big too... the yellow sticker next to the bottom optic window suggests that is the laser, so I would guess the upper window is the optics for tracking the target... the shiny lens suggests it might be a thermal sight but its narrow aperture suggests it isn't.
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    Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:03 am

    Ukraine developing new tactical missiles “Thunder-2″
    http://www.defence-blog.com/?p=179

    Said to be in the Iskander class and being developed for a foreign customer....China:?: 

    BTW, it's based on the recently abandoned domestic Sapsan (Falcon) missile

    Ukraine stop work on Sapsan tactical ballistic missile
    http://alert5.com/2013/06/25/ukraine-stop-work-on-sapsan-tactical-ballistic-missile/


    Drawing of Sapsan
    http://military-informer.narod.ru/English-Sapsan.html
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:17 pm

    Which raises another aspect of the INF treaty issue neither the Ukraine nor China are bound by it, so the Ukraine could make China some 2,000km range cruise missile or ballistic missiles... based on a small truck.


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:38 pm

    lol! 
    This topic's title proved to be very funny finally.
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:41 am

    Ukrainian army will receive more than 50 modernized BMP-1

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    Russian military experts named Ukrainian Oplot tank the best in the world

    Post  Book. on Fri May 15, 2015 6:27 am

    Ukrainian Oplot tank was named the best among major armored vehicles of the world.
    As reported by Censor.NET, Russian military experts modeled a virtual tank range and placed 12 major tank models of the world on it. The computer system ranked a Pakistani tank the worst, and named the Ukrainian Oplot tank made in Kharkiv the safest for a crew and most dangerous in a headlong collision.

    http://en.censor.net.ua....



    Oplot good mbt. but the no1? Surprised
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:29 am

    Ukraine to Produce New Tanks as Hostilities in Donbass Intensify

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150612/1023286304.html#ixzz3ctD95esu


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:Which raises another aspect of the INF treaty issue neither the Ukraine nor China are bound by it, so the Ukraine could make China some 2,000km range cruise missile or ballistic missiles... based on a small truck.

    Not with the MCTR still in play. Neutral
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:27 am

    The MCTR is to prevent the spread of sophisticated modern missile technology from spreading... China already has missile technology that exceeds 300km in range and 500kgs in payload so it would not apply.


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:11 am

    Can anyone confirm that the junta is rolling more Bulats off the line?

    I find this very interesting. Do they even have the finance to aquire more indigenous tanks?
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:The MCTR is to prevent the spread of sophisticated modern missile technology from spreading... China already has missile technology that exceeds 300km in range and 500kgs in payload so it would not apply.

    Your comment above was about Ukraine sending 2,000km range missiles to China, which cannot be done with MTCR in play.
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:06 pm

    Two main aspects to consider.... first it could be claimed that China already has missiles capable of 2,000km range and over 500kgs payload so the MCTR provisions don't make much sense in this case.... and second the Ukraine is now Americas bitch so it can do no wrong...

    Russia could complain but the sale of missiles from the Ukraine to China is a wonderful development that will improve the security and stability in the region. If it was a Russia system of course it would be a worrisome development that would threaten stability and security in the region...

    You know the BS...  Rolling Eyes


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:38 am

    GarryB wrote:Two main aspects to consider.... first it could be claimed that China already has missiles capable of 2,000km range and over 500kgs payload so the MCTR provisions don't make much sense in this case.... and second the Ukraine is now Americas bitch so it can do no wrong...
    Whether China has 2000km+ range missiles or not doesn't matter, you purposed above that Ukraine could export such missiles to China since they’re not bound to INF, i simply stated that MTCR is still in play, so that isn't gonna happen.

    Second, it is also because they're Uncle Sams b#tch tha that wont happen.
    Russia could complain but the sale of missiles from the Ukraine to China is a wonderful development that will improve the security and stability in the region. If it was a Russia system of course it would be a worrisome development that would threaten stability and security in the region...

    You know the BS...  Rolling Eyes
    Yea, i know, but if that happened Russia wouldn't interfere.
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:56 am

    Whether China has 2000km+ range missiles or not doesn't matter, you purposed above that Ukraine could export such missiles to China since they’re not bound to INF, i simply stated that MTCR is still in play, so that isn't gonna happen.

    And what I am saying is that the MTCR is about limiting the spread of missile technology to countries that don't already possess it... the horse has already bolted in this case so MTCR does not apply.

    For the same reason the US can sell pretty much anything to the UK.


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:42 pm

    Recovered T-80BV for the Ukrainian army



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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Whether China has 2000km+ range missiles or not doesn't matter, you purposed above that Ukraine could export such missiles to China since they’re not bound to INF, i simply stated that MTCR is still in play, so that isn't gonna happen.

    And what I am saying is that the MTCR is about limiting the spread of missile technology to countries that don't already possess it... the horse has already bolted in this case so MTCR does not apply.

    For the same reason the US can sell pretty much anything to the UK.

    The MTCR Guidelines restrict transfers of "missiles" -- defined as rocket systems (including ballistic missiles, space launch vehicles, and sounding rockets) and unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) systems (including cruise missiles, target drones, and reconnaissance drones) capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction (WMD) -- and their related equipment and technology. The Regime places particular focus on unmanned delivery systems capable of delivering a payload of at least 500 kg to a distance of at least 300 km, so called "Category I" or "MTCR-class" systems.

    The MTCR Annex of controlled items is divided into two sections:

    Category I Annex items include complete rocket and unmanned air vehicle (i.e., "missile") systems, capable of delivering a payload of at least 500 kg to a range of at least 300 km, and their major complete subsystems, production facilities, and related technology. Exports of Category I items are subject to a strong presumption of denial, except that transfers of specially designed production facilities for Category I items are expressly prohibited.

    Category II Annex items include propulsion and propellant components, launch and ground support equipment, various other missile-related components, and related technology, as well as certain other missile systems. Exports of Category II items are subject to case-by-case review against specified nonproliferation factors, and are subject to a strong presumption of denial if the system is intended for WMD delivery.

    MTCR export controls are not bans but regulatory efforts by individual Partners to prevent transfers of items that could contribute to delivery systems for WMD. Licensing such exports is consistent with the MTCR’s goal of curbing the flow of missile equipment and technology worldwide.

    The MTCR Guidelines are open to all nations to implement, whether or not they are MTCR Partners. The United States encourages all governments to unilaterally adhere to the Guidelines.

    http://www.state.gov/t/isn/rls/fs/120017.htm

    Where is this written?

    Or is this "the exeptionalist" BS again.
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:40 am

    The MTCR Guidelines are open to all nations to implement, whether or not they are MTCR Partners. The United States encourages all governments to unilaterally adhere to the Guidelines.

    US Government also encourages all governments to impose sanctions on Russia... and to buy US made... and to say no to drugs... except the over priced legal drugs they sell.


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:16 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The MTCR Guidelines are open to all nations to implement, whether or not they are MTCR Partners. The United States encourages all governments to unilaterally adhere to the Guidelines.

    US Government also encourages all governments to impose sanctions on Russia... and to buy US made... and to say no to drugs... except the over priced legal drugs they sell.
    So a side-effect of "the exeptionalist" BS??

    Anyway, i don't see anywhere that clarifies this issue, all i know is that the MTCR forbids the export of missile weaponry of over 300km to a third-party, whether that third-party already having such weaponry annuls the MTCR is a good question?
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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:36 am

    The purpose of the agreement is to prevent the spread of technology that could be used to develop a deployment system for WMDs.

    In other words the big powers don't want the little boys to get handguns because they wont be able to bully them any more. (US perspective). For the Russian perspective, they don't want little boys to have dangerous weapons... they could hurt themselves or others.

    It is all a bit silly really because at the end of the day any country could buy a Boeing 747 and fill it with an enormous amount of HE and then get a dedicated crew that are happy to die for the cause and fly it into an enemies airspace disguised as a cargo flight delivering whatever cargo they might be carrying... plan the flight plan to go past the target and when near the target roll the plane over into a vertical dive onto the target and boom. Not enough warning to get interceptors near and even if you hit it with a SAM the plane might break up a little but it is still going to go boom.


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:23 am

    Problems with the repair of armored vehicles in Ukraine


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    Re: Ukrainian Ground Forces:

    Post  Book. on Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:39 pm

    Ukrane 8 rebuilt T80 Bv into service

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    The military handed tanks T-80, refurbished in Kharkiv

    Post  Book. on Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:59 pm

    The military handed tanks T-80, refurbished in Kharkiv
    Anatoly majeure Published 07/13/2015

    Kharkiv plant modernized 8 armored tanks T-80 fighters for the 95th Mechanized Brigade. Specialists of the company restored buildings and towers and tanks equipped with armor.

    http://www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/27125105.html



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