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    INF Treaty - coming to the end of its life

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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:18 pm

    hoom wrote:
    U.S. Nuclear Bombs Defective
    And thus we have the reason why a few months back I think it was assistant Secretary of State or similar did a press conference claiming that Russia is 'certainly' breaching the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.
    Fortunately there were one or two actual Journos who asked for some evidence -> a couple of steps of prevarication & rolling back the claim via 'probably' and 'maybe' to 'we have no evidence at all but they have the capability'.

    Many years ago I came to the conclusion that whenever the US is publicly accusing some other country of doing something nefarious you will find that infact the US either just started doing that nefarious thing or is about to start.

    Its clear that they've been trying to find an excuse to let off a nuke/restart testing but aside from the general 'we haven't actually tested one for ages' I hadn't seen the 'what they just started doing or about to start' bit & there it is unshaven


    Fascinating though: its my understanding a big series of mega-supercomputers they've been buying over the last couple of decades has been to enable complete simulation of their new design warheads right down to every individual atom.
    How the censored do you spend so many Billion$ to run that level of simulation without noticing you're using components without sufficient shock strength to be carried on a plane??? scratch

    Well, computers are all about GIGO. Garbage in = garbage out. Real physics experiments can never be replaced by models. This is pure
    conservation of information. Every model is some approximation to reality and all models have to be perpetually improved to ingest
    new empirically obtained information. The process is never ending.

    Of course for some simple things, a model will be good enough. But nuclear bombs are just too complex to develop inside existing
    models. That is, every new bomb requires a new model since all the variables are not represented and there are many empirical
    parameters. Simulating nuclear explosions via fluid dynamics equations does not give you bomb device development. You need to
    figure out how your new device actually detonates and what sort of neutron cascade properties it has. No amount of fluid dynamics
    simulations will tell you that. That is why experimentation is non-negotiable in such tech creation.

    I guess we see the sort of detachment from reality that afflicts US decision makers. Some clown committee concluded in the 1970s
    that simulating nuclear bombs based on the existing stock of devices was good enough to replace real world testing. The clowns clearly
    did not understand that new information cannot be extrapolated from old archived information. Especially in complex nonlinear systems
    lacking "convergent" characterization (i.e. all the essential variables are known and processes understood). Building a nuclear bomb
    is not like building a car. You can actually model every component of a car even if you design new parts.

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    Post  dino00 on Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:17 pm

    As several sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia, in the tested version the prototype does not pose a serious threat. Such missiles will be an easy target not only for the S-400 and promising S-350 Vityaz air defense systems, but also for the upgraded Pantsir-SM systems.

    https://iz.ru/954169/anton-lavrov-bogdan-stepovoi/zakon-ne-pisan-kak-ssha-ispytali-ballisticheskuiu-raketu-srednei-dalnosti

    About the american ballistic missile test with more than 500 km range.
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    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 1:52 am

    But more fundamentally that missile is based on the MLRS chassis which is deployed in Europe and from the outside you can't tell what missile or rocket is fitted so you have to assume they could all have them.

    A 500km+ range missile from MLRS based vehicles means the US has not just torn up the INF treaty they are actually openly building missiles that violate it... which is fine... that is likely what they intended to do all along, but Putin said even though the INF treaty no longer applies that Russia will not deploy missiles that violate the treaty while the US does not either.

    Well now they are so Russia can develop new versions of the Iskander with much much better performance and range because the gloves are now off.

    In fact the 4,500km range air launched cruise missiles they have can now be ground launched too...

    This is really big news, but bad news for Europe... they are getting screwed by the US again, but of course it will all be Russias fault...
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    Post  miketheterrible Yesterday at 5:41 am

    GarryB wrote:But more fundamentally that missile is based on the MLRS chassis which is deployed in Europe and from the outside you can't tell what missile or rocket is fitted so you have to assume they could all have them.

    A 500km+ range missile from MLRS based vehicles means the US has not just torn up the INF treaty they are actually openly building missiles that violate it... which is fine... that is likely what they intended to do all along, but Putin said even though the INF treaty no longer applies that Russia will not deploy missiles that violate the treaty while the US does not either.

    Well now they are so Russia can develop new versions of the Iskander with much much better performance and range because the gloves are now off.

    In fact the 4,500km range air launched cruise missiles they have can now be ground launched too...

    This is really big news, but bad news for Europe... they are getting screwed by the US again, but of course it will all be Russias fault...

    They can set up multilaunch Kalibr Cruise missile system, which they have already showcased. Just introduce that and boom, US screwed itself horribly (ground launch should have longer range than sea launch so 2K km).

    These short range BM's are what S-300V were built for during the cold war. S-350 would be ideal.

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