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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:15 am

    Gref called the main problem of Russia the lack of an effective public administration system

    The head of Sberbank believes that after solving it, all other problems will be solved automatically.
    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6217016


    on that level it is hard to disagree, but Id' prefer to her missing part. How he sees improving public administration?
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Gref called the main problem of Russia the lack of an effective public administration system


    The head of Sberbank believes that after solving it, all other problems will be solved automatically.
    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6217016


    on that level it is hard to disagree, but Id' prefer to her missing part. How he sees improving public administration?

    Russia has the disease of too many opinion makers endlessly claiming that it is far behind the "advanced countries". These
    morons and shysters should STFU. If Germany and the USA have superior public administration systems, then why can
    they not control massive corruption. By massive corruption I mean billions of taxpayer dollars wasted on projects that
    are not completed or completed with multi-year delays. Here are some examples:

    1) Berlin airport
    2) California high speed rail (the just need one line running along the coast)
    3) Labrador hydro-electric dam (years delayed and 1000% over budget: $1.5 billion initial cost now over $12 billion).

    "Backwards Russia" has not had a single such project in the last 20 years. I dare anyone to produce an example.
    Don't cite the Sochi Olympics. They cost $9 billion and made a profit. The $45 billion in infrastructure expenditures
    were massive and finished on time. Russia now has a Black Sea tourist paradise that is paying off the investment.
    If there was any corruption that mattered the projects would have been substantially developed. In fact, for $45 billion,
    California could have finished its high speed rail line.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:28 am

    kvs wrote:

    Russia has the disease of too many opinion makers endlessly claiming that it is far behind the "advanced countries".    These
    morons and shysters should STFU.  

    Actually Glazyev was saying similar stuff. I've read recently his column about "Amur Bridge" . Ill try to rind it for you. IMHO it is no about every, especially top tier, project but how daily life. If it worked then why many times Putin had to "manually " reverse stupid decisions or push for solutions? like local authorities dont exist.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:10 am

    Transparency is the key. And secondary is what's to communicate between people and government.

    All projects must have transparency and be easily verified by average person. In doing so, if anything that raises eyebrows is seen, it can be easily reported. Putin isn't the end all be all. It's the people around him and many more. People who are upset at current issues that need to be addressed

    The major issue is that people like Gref, etc is that they are very ambiguous in their statements. They don't specify anything specific. What I specified is very specific and believe it or not, is being pushed right now by non other than Medvedev - creating online portals to each project that makes it easy to verify and watch.

    Must be done.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:33 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    kvs wrote:

    Russia has the disease of too many opinion makers endlessly claiming that it is far behind the "advanced countries".    These
    morons and shysters should STFU.  

    Actually Glazyev was saying similar stuff. I've read recently his column about "Amur Bridge" . Ill try to rind it for you. IMHO it is no about every, especially top tier,  project but how daily life. If it worked then why many times Putin had to "manually " reverse stupid decisions or push for solutions? like local authorities dont exist.

    Putin and his government have the job of being administrators. You make it sound like they do not. Where do people get off assuming that
    every municipal government in the USA and Canada is doing a good job at administrating? A lot of US municipalities are going bankrupt
    because they mismanaged their budgets. It is actually well known that the municipal level is the most corrupt. But bleaters in Russia
    try to hoodwink Russians into believing in some non-existent perfection in the west.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:44 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Transparency is the key. And secondary is what's to communicate between people and government.

    All projects must have transparency and be easily verified by average person.  In doing so, if anything that raises eyebrows is seen, it can be easily reported.  Putin isn't the end all be all. It's the people around him and many more. People who are upset at current issues that need to be addressed

    The major issue is that people like Gref, etc is that they are very ambiguous in their statements. They don't specify anything specific.  What I specified is very specific and believe it or not, is being pushed right now by non other than Medvedev - creating online portals to each project that makes it easy to verify and watch.

    Must be done.

    Before understanding the size of anything, proper metrics need to be used. Gref is pulling the usual con job of avoiding any quantification
    of the problem and going for the emotional jugular. In spite of the stupid post above yours that just ignored the substance of my post,
    nobody, including Gref, has demonstrated any pathology in Russia that makes it inferior to the west. The existence of corruption proves
    diddley squat. Corruption is rampant in the west but the western MSM, pundits and politicians pretend everything smells like roses.
    So there is no "debate" in the west about inferiority and urgent need for "reforms". Instead, there is the assumption of normalcy and
    everything being OK.

    So before starting "reforms" that could destroy the achievements of the last 20 years, a factual and objective evaluation of problems
    needs to be carried out. Only then can we discuss solutions. Gref, Kudrin and the rest of the 5th columnists want to generate noise
    to induce knee-jerk solutions that will ultimately prove destructive to Russia's GDP.

    Also, corruption will never be eliminated. So there is an optimal response problem of sufficient legal enforcement and regulations and
    laws that minimize non-transparent activity. But trying to achieve zero corruption is chasing the asymptote to infinity. A self-defeating
    enterprise. So far Russia's record of large scale projects is substantially better than that of NATO. Instead of acting like the existence
    of corruption and corporate criminality in Russia proves Putin's government is a failure, we should establish the meaning of failure. I will
    not be herded by shyster 5th columnists and internet "authorities" until the demonstrate competence and objectivity, which they never
    will.

    After the layer of propaganda shit is removed, then we can get down to business of improving the current conditions.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:02 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/bombshell-pentagon-mismanaged-21-billion-f-35-stealth-jet-parts

    Bombshell Report: Pentagon Mismanaged $2.1 Billion In F-35 Stealth Jet Parts

    This is business as usual in the USA. Where are all the checks and balances and Congressional oversight? Why are
    corporate lobbyists setting the regulatory climate?

    It should be clear by now that there is nothing special about the west. It is composed of humans and not infallible gods.
    So no magic system will make it squeaky clean.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:40 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Transparency is the key. And secondary is what's to communicate between people and government.

    All projects must have transparency and be easily verified by average person.  In doing so, if anything that raises eyebrows is seen, it can be easily reported.  Putin isn't the end all be all. It's the people around him and many more. People who are upset at current issues that need to be addressed

    The major issue is that people like Gref, etc is that they are very ambiguous in their statements. They don't specify anything specific.  What I specified is very specific and believe it or not, is being pushed right now by non other than Medvedev - creating online portals to each project that makes it easy to verify and watch.

    Must be done.
    hard to disagree, Vth column is trying to hijack discontent or trying to look for false roots cause Yet federal govt cannot and will not fix local roads, village medical practice, local school if needed repairs or recycling waste.





    kvs wrote:
    Putin and his government have the job of being administrators.  You make it sound like they do not.  Where do people get off assuming that
    every municipal government in the USA and Canada is doing a good job at administrating?   A lot of US municipalities are going bankrupt
    because they mismanaged their budgets.   It is actually well known that the municipal level is the most corrupt.   But bleaters in Russia
    try to hoodwink Russians into believing in some non-existent perfection in the west.



    it is not what I was saying. Im afraid we're talking about two different things. Nothing nowhere is perfect, the key here is that local issues cannot be sorted out on Putin's level. How many times German chancellor/French/US president or had to intervene in case of village schools, trash dump or that company w as not paying salary to people?

    Check Khazin, Glazyev, ithey're definitely not western vth column nor liberasts. Well Putin himself is working to improve this.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:59 am

    Good coumn in rifan, about V column NGOs respekt respekt respekt


    https://riafan.ru/category/inostrannye-agenty
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:15 am

    Apparently one of Navalny Open Russia buddies had his office ransacked by the FSB and is facing major charges since Open Russia is on the banned NGO listing. So another foreign operative and a financial arm of Navalny arrested.

    Good.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:52 am

    Wasn't that long ago there was a report that the pentagon couldn't find over 7 billion dollars worth of money that has just disappeared and cannot be accounted for...

    Was it during Bush or Clinton that a law was written that basically means the Pentagons budget does not have to add up or ever be audited... basically it does not have to balance its books and cannot be held to account if it is found to have lost money...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:02 pm

    Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation: the state should have the sovereign right to manage its information space


    - Russia is often accused of computer attacks on information resources of Western countries. Did it affect the results of voting in the UN?

    - There is a paradoxical situation. Russia in its resolution proposed to adopt the rules of responsible behavior of states in the information space, the implementation of which will allow excluding any destructive activity in the virtual sphere. But our opponents, mainly Western countries, without any evidence accusing us of the unlawful use of ICT, opposed the adoption of such rules.

    However, other states have demonstrated an understanding that the world community can no longer live without common rules for all, without mutual respect for sovereignty, without a guaranteed right to protect its own critical information infrastructure from external threats. Ignoring such demands, the technologically developed countries of the West are trying with all their might to push the practically unlimited possibilities that are beneficial for themselves to dictate their conditions to the states lagging behind in “digital” development.

    Understanding of these circumstances and the need to find solutions to these problems predetermined the support of Russian projects by the majority of the states of the world community, despite active opposition from the United States. By the way, it is Washington and its closest allies who are trying to hush up the very fact of the adoption of the mentioned resolutions and the results of voting on them.

    You should be aware that the adoption of resolution 73/27 "Advances in the field of information and telecommunications in the context of international security" was made by 119 countries, of which 32 became its co-authors. 46 states voted against, 14 abstained.

    94 countries supported the other Russian resolution 73/187 "Countering the use of information and communication technologies for criminal purposes", 36 were co-sponsors. 59 states voted against, and 33 abstained.

    These figures speak eloquently about the solidarity of the majority of states with the Russian approaches in the field of international information security and about supporting Russia's initiatives aimed at creating a peaceful, secure and stable information environment.
    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=2&nid=502723&lang=RU




    GarryB wrote:Wasn't that long ago there was a report that the pentagon couldn't find over 7 billion dollars worth of money that has just disappeared and cannot be accounted for...

    Was it during Bush or Clinton that a law was written that basically means the Pentagons budget does not have to add up or ever be audited... basically it does not have to balance its books and cannot be held to account if it is found to have lost money...

    oh they do, only they dont want to show all those "black ops" o  NGO grants
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:26 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Apparently one of Navalny Open Russia buddies had his office ransacked by the FSB and is facing major charges since Open Russia is on the banned NGO listing.  So another foreign operative and a financial arm of Navalny arrested.

    Good.


    Open Russia (soros paid pigs) is banned in Russia so no wonder lol1 lol1 lol1 time to strangle Vth column with their own weapons. Freedom and fake news fight.


    now weekend funnies: Bloombers ( nitty-gritty side-curls media)

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-14/russian-censorship-laws


    Russian President Vladimir Putin is poised to sign four bills into law allowing him to clamp down on the last vestiges of press freedom. The ranks of independent media and bloggers that have tried to work under the country’s ever-tightening web of censorship are nearing the end of the road



    comments below: respekt respekt respekt

    Che Guevara
    The Russian laws against fake news are not any more draconian than Western efforts. The main difference is that in the U.S. the censorship has been privatized. The government may not punish you for speaking your mind, but you may lose your job or business. You'll then be able to continue speaking freely, while you live in a cardboard box under the freeway. It's a kind of fake freedom. Articles below.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/n...
    Twitter removed the account of Paul Craig Roberts.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
    Alex Jones was censored by Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify. On August 6, 2018, Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify removed all content by Alex Jones and Infowars from their platforms for violating their policies. Jones' accounts have also been removed from Pinterest, MailChimp, and LinkedIn. On September 7, 2018, the Infowars app was removed from the Apple App Store.
    https://www.alternet.org/me...
    The independent media outlet AlterNet was hit by the Google campaign against fake news.

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    EmilyEnso Che Guevara • 2 days ago
    https://www.zerohedge.com/n...
    This is rather clever...

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    Saint Jimmy (Russian American) Che Guevara • 2 days ago
    Correct. Also, in the US and I suspect in the EU, alternate points of view are banned from widespread distribution by monopolization of the media, entertainment, and the political system. If your views or version of an event don't fit into a fairly narrow frame dictated by our financial and corporate elites, you will not be heard.

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    Winton • 3 days ago
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    So the same Bershidsky who could EASILY go on Russian federal channels EVERY DAY and criticise (i.e make lies) against Putin and Russia- but refuses to do so (for obvious reasons, in that he would get shownup as a dimwit) - is now falsely claiming that there is censorship in Russia. What a clown.

    You can be assured that tv producers have tried to get this fool Bershidsky on one of the many political debate shows - and that like the intellectually challenged coward he is - he has refused.

    To do that but STILL claim censorship is insanity and gutter journalism

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    Winton • 3 days ago
    YES! Russia has created a time machine.A glorious moment in the history of the nation

    When Bershidsky (Jewish-Russian as opposed to Russian-jew, according to his own profile, WTF?) left Russia 5 years ago to go to Germany , because of some imaginary "persecution" - he informed his readers that media freedom in Russia was "dead" or "killed". Miraculously, Russian government must have created a time-machine, used it successfully - and now we are back at "Russia's new censorship laws spell the end of what’s left of media freedom". How did media freedom in Russia come back from the dead!

    How on earth has Putin worked so slowly in 19 years that media freedom is still going in Russia after all this time - despite various cretins insisting Putin has been trying to destroy the media from the begininng?

    Bershidsky is a sick joke

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    Rock IT! Winton • 3 days ago
    I also do remember when the author announced that 'freedom of speech' was dead in Russia and hence he is leaving. That indeed sounds good and principled. Probably, the actual motives were much more banal: He got a better offered or he was asked to leave.

    As a side note, how does one go from being the editor of a major national newspaper to being a rather obscure columnist in the opinion section of an Internet site?

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    Rock IT! • 3 days ago
    This law either can't be as bad as the author describes or does not change much how things are by looking at the 'public' (and Twitter or complaining from your sofa in Berlin does not count) outrage. According to a report by meduza.io, 15 200 people demonstrated against in Moscow. For a city of more than 12 million that is a drop in the ocean.

    "Over the weekend, Russia’s Libertarian Party staged a public demonstration at Sakharov Prospect in Moscow in support of Internet freedom, as two controversial bills outlawing “fake news” and “insults against state officials” make their way through Parliament. According to monitors from “White Counter,” 15,200 people attended the event. (As usual, the estimate from police was smaller: 6,500 people.) "

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    dav1234 • 3 days ago
    It's wimpish on Putin's part. Stalin would have just shot you.

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    pastor win • 2 days ago
    A member of the yellow vests movement in france was sentenced Thursday by the court for making threats against the president of the republic on a public page of the social network Facebook. France adopted laws against fake news, unsanctioned rallies... You can be detained without explanation only on the suspicion that you intend to exercise your constitutional right to manifest. Unfortunately, the west can't lecture the world anymore.


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    Rosie Deus-von Homeyer • 3 days ago
    I just read plenty of Russian newspapers na-russkom... Vedomosti, "Moskovskii Komsomolez ; Komercant; Rocciiskaya Gazeta and found out , that NOBODY bothers to comment on the articles about Putin. My search on www.Google.ru was about Putin as I wanted to know what did he talked to the Russian businessmen. It seems people are afraid to comment . As I see it more & more Russians will immigrate to Germnay , claiming they were prosecuted in SSSR ( Soyuz Soverskix Sozialisticheskix Respubliks ) for their political ideology.


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    veth • 3 days ago
    On Friday, March 15, the Boris Nemtsov public garden will be opened in Kyiv near the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine.
    "I want to invite everyone to the opening of the Boris Nemtsov public garden tomorrow. Nemtsov was a great friend of Ukraine. The garden will be opened tomorrow at 12:00, near the Russian embassy," Kyiv city mayor Vitali Klitschko said at the meeting of the Kyiv City Council, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

    In 2014, Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov condemned the Crimea annexation and signed a petition requesting the withdrawal of Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine and ceasing propaganda, financial and military support for the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People’s Republic" and "Luhansk People’s Republic". He was shot dead in the center of Moscow on the night of February 28, 2015.


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    veth • 3 days ago
    Censorship is legal in Russia. There is a special commitee for censorship.


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    veth • 3 days ago
    Putin is a Nazzi, Massmurderer and well-known poisoner. Invader, downer of MH17.............killer of politicians, journalists, and children.
    How much I must pay for writing the truth?


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    Winton veth • 3 days ago
    and Poroshenko, the son of a mafioso and with all the might of the US and EU backing him, is losing in polling to a professional comedian exactly how?

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:31 am

    Putin returning to the Soviet Union times..
    Now he signed a decree to censor "fake news"...  
    You can't critisize the government  or will be fined..  Laughing

    Putin is running backwards at the speed of light...
    what is so disgusting is how Russia government have been
    crying about censoring of social media on RT and now they doing
    the Same.. Laughing

    This is it.. the last straw the the midget idiot ..
    A massive giant protest of millions should be done to protest this repressive law..
    and Putin forced to resign .. for this treason..
    Freedom of expression is key for human development and society
    development and understanding..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rKRzO8bGNU

    Now where are those who called Putin a "Genius".
    Putin is very weak President.. the idiot can't handle criticism
    Look how much Trump had to endure , with people openly calling
    him an Idiot.. and a moron.. Putin is not only incompetent
    but now officially a authoritarian moron , this will definitively damage
    the Image of Russia in the world.. among the developed nations..
    and the credibility of Russian media too.. when critisize American media..
    for censoring.. No
    This is exactly what Putin needed.. To run backwards and show how outdated
    is Russia government.. Laughing
    It should suck big time now for every journalist in RT to admit Putin
    is a dictator like President.. hopefully major protest will show up and the authoritarian
    President demanded to resign..
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:01 pm

    Gee, if they are worried of telling the truth, then of course the western press is scared cause it will hit them the hardest. Post fake news, get charged.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:57 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:  Post fake news, get charged.

    all accusations always were "highly likely" not to violate it Very Happy fake news like he has millions on foreign accounts or people died are destructive for state. Every state. That's why western enemies are wailing so hard.



    Police filed a libel case on Rogozin’s claim

    https://ria.ru/20190320/1551972338.html

    MOSCOW, March 20 - RIA News. The head of "Roskosmos" Dmitry Rogozin filed a lawsuit statement with defamation, told RIA Novosti in the press service of the state corporation. In turn, a law enforcement source told the agency that the case had been initiated, they were being handled by the Moscow police.
    “Dmitry Rogozin has really filed an application with the law enforcement agencies for defamation and protection of honor and dignity,” said a representative of Roscosmos.

    According to the newspaper "Kommersant", Rogozin was made to filer complaint because of the publication of the resource" Compromising-Ural "with reference to the Agency"Ruspres". It claimed that the head of "Roscosmos" allegedly gave a bribe to the shareholder "Tape.ru "to Alexander Mamut and the chief editor Vladimir Todorov that those removed from the site lenta.ru material "Flight to nowhere".
    “A criminal case has been opened, a preliminary investigation is in progress, investigators are working,” a law enforcement source told RIA Novosti.


    ok if Rogozinave bribe then they won but otherwise it is just fucking fake. Let them try in US against Clinton Hitlery.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 am


    oh they do, only they dont want to show all those "black ops" o NGO grants

    Ha ha... yeah, you one of these fan boys who thinks America spend three quarters of a trillion dollars a year on "defence" because Aurora is a real mach 6 stealth bomber they have had in operation for 15-20 years, and the US army has laser rifles and body armour like in computer games...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:39 am

    New heads of regions left the same school

    There is not only an update, but also a rejuvenation of the regional leadership. 46-year-old Aleksey Teksler was appointed Acting Governor of the Chelyabinsk Region , the same number - Oleg Khorokhordin , who headed Altai. A 38-year-old Batu Hasikov has been appointed the new leader of Kalmykia with the rank of Acting . "I think that the desire and ability to achieve their goals, despite the difficulties, I come in handy," - said Hasikov in an interview with the newspaper VIEW.

    The three managers have a very diverse background. Khasikov is a famous athlete, six-time world champion in kickboxing and at the same time a public figure, a former senator from Kalmykia. Teksler is a specialist with extensive experience in metallurgy, worked at Norilsk Nickel, was the city manager of Norilsk, and by the time he was appointed acting governor, he was the first deputy head of the Ministry of Energy of Russia. Khorokhordin worked both in business and subsequently in the civil service, including at the federal level - in the administration of the presidential administration on domestic policy, in the government apparatus. Prior to the appointment of the acting head of Gorny Altai, he served as chairman of the non-profit partnership GLONASS and was deputy head of the secretariat, Vice-Premier Maxim Akimov.  

    At the same time, Teksler was a student of the first stream of the personnel management reserve development program on the basis of the Higher School of Public Administration (VSHGU) of the RANEPA, which was already dubbed the “school of governors”. Khorokhordin is a participant in the second stream of the same program. Khasikov studied in graduate school of the Academy of Civil Service.
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    Dmitry Gusev, President of the Bakster-group consulting agency, commenting on the appointment of Alexey Teksler, said : “There is a Kremlin personnel policy, which is that people who have undergone various management practices — senior executives, legislative authorities, large corporations — are appointed to top government positions. . Texler is an example of such a manager. ”

    https://vz.ru/politics/2019/3/21/969296.html



    "There is a staff update of the governor's corps, this is quite a natural process. New leaders are emerging who are able to meet the challenges of a scientific and technological breakthrough. This is the digitization of the regional economy, this is the creation of new sectors of innovative development of regions, this is a social program that the President announced in his message to the Federal Assembly. At the same time, there are twelve national projects in which the whole country participates, and this requires new knowledge, new skills and regional management skills ", said Igor Morozov.
    https://ria.ru/20190320/1551960128.html

    so Putin improves  quality of governance, excellent news thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup  






    GarryB wrote:

    oh they do, only they dont want to show all those "black ops" o  NGO grants

    Ha ha... yeah, you one of these fan boys who thinks America spend three quarters of a trillion dollars a year on "defence" because Aurora is a real mach 6 stealth bomber they have had in operation for 15-20 years, and the US army has laser rifles and body armour like in computer games...

    no, but I dont think like you that all is theft. This is fanboish to me.

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