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    Re: Politics of Russia Thread:

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:04 am

    Russia’s non-systemic opposition to field single list of candidates in 2016 polls

    MOSCOW, April 1. /TASS/. Russia’s opposition has agreed to field candidates on a single list in 2016 elections to the lower house of parliament, the State Duma, former MP Gennady Gudkov said on Wednesday.

    The meeting of the opposition leaders that approved the decision on coordinating actions ended at night.

    "The discussion focused on fielding a single list in the elections to the State Duma in 2016. There is a preliminary agreement," Gudkov said without detailing the particular party. "This is still premature," the politician explained.

    The ex-lawmaker said the meeting was attended by Alexey Navalny of the unregistered Party of Progress, Mikhail Kasyanov of the RPR-Parnas party, lawmaker Dmitry Gudkov, former economy minister in Yegor Gaidar's government Andrey Nechayev, former co-chairman of RPR-Parnas Vladimir Ryzhkov and the leader of the Democratic Choice, Vladimir Milov.

    "We have agreed to coordinate our actions and this meeting will be held on a regular basis and I hope that at least once in a month and also [more often] if needed," Gudkov said.

    "This is not a closed club, and we hope that other opposition forces will join us, including the Yabloko party, and they are still thinking about this," the politician said.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:09 am

    They screech about living in a tyranny but can participate in elections. You will note that in Canada the opposition in
    parliament is called "Her Majesty's loyal opposition". Non-systemic opposition has exactly zero chance in Canada to get
    elected into power of any sort, not even local ridings. Yet Canada is part of the chorus that smears Russia.

    No Canadian or American would vote for candidates that did nothing but bash the country and most importantly accused
    the voters of being cattle and not deserving to vote. But somehow in Russia these idiots are supposed to actually have
    a chance at winning. This proves that NATO's collective brain is diseased with hate against the Russian people.

    Anyone who thinks I am exaggerating should do some research. Yulia Latynina actually writes articles in the Russian
    liberast press that extoll Pinochet's dictatorship and call for the removal of the right to vote from the majority. The
    western media loves to spread tinfoil hat conspiracy theories that Putin is "murdering opponents" by invoking the "proof"
    of Litvinenko's and Politkovskaya's deaths. So how come Latynina is still breathing. Perhaps the average ignorant
    media consumer has no clue, but this NATO propaganda is transparent nonsense. If the "regime" was killing off opponents,
    then there would be thousands of them dead and not some dubious handful. Bot Litvinenko and Politkovskaya were not
    touched when their activity was doing the most damage to Russia. They only died under suspicious circumstances when
    their 15 minutes of fame were over.

    BTW, the Kiev regime and/or its irregular elements are killing off opponents by the dozen. I don't see NATO complaining.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:52 am

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/04/25/kadyrov/

    uh oh. This Dadaev operation has gotten messy.

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    Re: Politics of Russia Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:16 am

    TR1 wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2015/04/25/kadyrov/

    uh oh. This Dadaev operation has gotten messy.

    I highly doubt we will hear of anything regarding this in near future. Kadyrov, in order to keep his tyrannical position, has to pretend to be offended or something just to make his loyal subjects happy. Outside of that, he probably knows why such an event occured. Some are clearly were trying to hide Dadaev (My speculation). Regardless, glad the fool has been dealt with. As for Kadyrov, he will probably be given more special permissions on things to keep him happy.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:31 am

    is this real?  Kadyrov already in Rebelion against Moscow.. ordering shoot to kill
    any FSB security? who enters in Chechenia for any operation without first consulting with him?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/chechen-president-ramzan-kadyrov-gives-shoot-to-kill-order-on-outside-forces-1429812489


    Oh wow.. if this is true.. it means big troubles for The Kremlin..  The Russian Government
    will be now in a very dangerous position that if they just retreat and give super special status
    to Chechenia so much that Russia cannot enter in its own territory without permission ,thats
    ridiculous..  If that happens in USA.. that a governor give order to shoot to kill ,any Federal
    government agent.. he will be in serious trouble with law and be arrested .   Shocked

    All western media are making a field day about this.. They are now claiming Chechenia
    demands Independence. etc etc etc..   albeit no idea what kind of independence a virtually land locked region could have.. if Moscow give it to them..  Contrary to most belief independence
    is not always possible if a nation geographical location have many geographical limitations..
    wondering what now the west will say..  Now independence will be seen as a good thing for them.. if chechenia ask for it.. but if cities in Ukraine ask for independence .. then hell no.. thats an international laws violation.  Rolling Eyes

    I really can't wait to see how Putin manage this.. Kadyrov seems out of control.. and in full
    rebellion.. what he told is a major threat to Russia nation security.. asking his police to kill any Russian Government special police..and if that is not corrected.. it will only get much worse.. ie.. that kadirov betrays the kremlin and start a Third Chechenia war..for its independence.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/chechen-president-ramzan-kadyrov-gives-shoot-to-kill-order-on-outside-forces-1429812489

    The face of Islam always shows ..asking for troubles.. As i said it before.. Islam is a time bomb
    looking to explode at any time.. and very easy to exploit and turn one side against another.
    Kadyrov apparently have told he will be ready to resign.. if asked by Putin.. so what putin will do?  I think that unless Kadyrov retreat his last statements and apologize..at the very least ,his career in politics is over..  You cannot have Governors of region of Russia ordering to shoot
    to kill at anyone who dares to enter in chechenia without his permission.  

    This truly deserve an update.. and how this develop.  Shocked

    Good thing for Russia however is that Chechenia as an independent nation have no chance to ever become a country.. because is encircle by other Russian Federation regions..and in the south have a Giant barrier of mountains with Georgia.. the only way out is by air .. But Any commercial or civilian airline will not be able to land in Chechenia if the kremling declare a no fly zone over there.. Chechenia without access to sea is a lost cause and without Russia help is a lost cause..

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    Re: Politics of Russia Thread:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:58 am

    Vann7 wrote:is this real?  Kadyrov already in Rebelion against Moscow.. ordering shoot to kill
    any FSB security? who enters in Chechenia for any operation without first consulting with him?

    Vann,

    Do you have any source for this story? Not the WSJ.

    Edit: Just noticed RT has it too. Here is the RT story: http://rt.com/politics/252905-kadyrov-interior-ministry-chechnya/

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    Re: Politics of Russia Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:41 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/791771

    So there will be an investigation done on the matter. I imagine nothing will come of it. Kadyrov will get his wee wee slapped for what he said, but as long as they prove that Stravopol police did indeed give info to Chechen interior ministry earlier, then they (chechens) will have to comply. But in the states, a state police officer from another cannot simply go into another state and just arrest or shoot whomever, they actually have to go through the other states police. So in this case, they do have a right to complain about it. I imagine nothing will come of this other than someone saying this is bad and there needs to be more communication and may move towards a more integrated communications system. Kadyrov is talking too much of course, but he is going to try to create damage control for his own folks in Chechnya. Outside of that, he knows that he cannot rebel against Moscow as it will do him no good and he knows that. After he would be left to his own devices, he would probably be thrown out real quick.

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    Re: Politics of Russia Thread:

    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:38 pm

    In a new documentary Putin tells how US secret services were caught redhanded aiding Caucasian hitmen in their terror in Russia in an attempt to break up Russia. This is nothing new for me, it has been clear all the time, just by reading Anglo-Saxon newspapers, and Putin himself told it already after Beslan terrorist attacks. - He also told that various Western leaders came to see him in Moscow before last presidential elections in 2012 to tell him in his face that they will never allow him to be president of Russia again. - Now as those attempts failed, they have proceeded with the ultimate Plan B - war.



    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/putin-accuses-u-s-of-supporting-separatists-in-russia-s-north-caucasus-1.2345309

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    Re: Politics of Russia Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:59 pm

    max steel wrote:In a new documentary Putin tells how US secret services were caught redhanded aiding Caucasian hitmen in their terror in Russia in an attempt to break up Russia. This is nothing new for me, it has been clear all the time, just by reading Anglo-Saxon newspapers, and Putin himself told it already after Beslan terrorist attacks. - He also told that various Western leaders came to see him in Moscow before last presidential elections in 2012 to tell him in his face that they will never allow him to be president of Russia again. - Now as those attempts failed, they have proceeded with the ultimate Plan B - war.



    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/putin-accuses-u-s-of-supporting-separatists-in-russia-s-north-caucasus-1.2345309

    It wont be outright war but attempt to completely isolate Russia with a potential of breaking the NC areas from Russia, so trying to take Chechnya, daegestan and Ingushetia away but thay wont happen as they are pretty entrenched. Add to that, since they didnt get their way, they have tried other methods like supporting foreign losers whom causes more harm than good to their own people. And the west wonders why they are hated and why Putin is popular.... At this point in time, the only other parties with support from domestic population, who even have a shread of a chance, are even more anti west than Putin: Fair Russia party, Just Russia party and Communist Party. The rest, the ones funded by west, have roughly 1% or less popularity. Even if and when Putin cannot rule anymore, it will end up being someone like him or someone even smarter like Lavrov or such.

    From my understandings, the nationalists (no, not the Nazi type) have a lot of power and popularity, and thry have their own large NGO organization of mostly ex army, ex FSB and intelligence. They will make sure whomever they want in power eill get in. This can be real bad of course.

    But mind you, even fools who ran to the west like Yeltsin tried to keep Chechnya by force and sent VDV to Serbia, which really angered west. So I imagine even the 5th coloumnists would end up doing the same if they got into power and are just using the US to try to get their.

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    Post  max steel on Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:27 pm

    Russia's chief investigator stands for canceling supremacy of international law

    . The chief of Russia’s Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, has suggested amending Article 15 of the Russian Constitution to remove from it the supremacy of international law over national legislation . "Back in 1993, when the current Constitution was to be adopted, supremacy of international law was presented to us by advisers from the United States as the fundamental value of a state ruled by law. It may look ridiculous, but in a report on the draft Constitution that was published in Rossiiskaya Gazeta in 1993 it was stated with pride that its provisions had undergone foreign scrutiny," Bastrykin recalled.

    About the ratio of international and national law he said that "the criteria must be determined exclusively by the country’s status in the international scene, and also by its strategic and geopolitical interests."


    This is overdue. The West exempts itself from rules it seeks to impose on others. Russia should consider all international treaties void unless or until the West is prepared to abide by them. Their actions over Libya , Syria and Ukraine are not consistent with claiming moral ascendency.

    Russia cant play by rigged rules of a game that the US Hegemony and its allies don't play by .



    http://tass.ru/en/russia/792004

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:15 am

    My vote Max...  :0

    This should be a significant step for Russia if taken.

    I am sure the west will squeal if Russia does this, because then other countries might start ignoring international law the way the US and the west does and then there will be chaos... they will say... as if their own flouting of international law doesn't already undermine it as a structure for world affairs...

    Perhaps as a positive a threat to selectively abide by international law the way the west does might make them rethink their actions and revise international law and then actually abide by it... sometimes international laws are very useful, but to get a real benefit from them everyone has to recognise them and follow them. Especially the west as it usually has the biggest hand in creating international laws.

    remember the universal declaration of human rights... something the US violates every day despite being a party to the creation of the rules...


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:10 am

    max steel wrote:   Russia's chief investigator stands for canceling supremacy of international law      

    . The chief of Russia’s Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, has suggested amending Article 15 of the Russian Constitution to remove from it the supremacy of international law over national legislation . "Back in 1993, when the current Constitution was to be adopted, supremacy of international law was presented to us by advisers from the United States as the fundamental value of a state ruled by law. It may look ridiculous, but in a report on the draft Constitution that was published in Rossiiskaya Gazeta in 1993 it was stated with pride that its provisions had undergone foreign scrutiny," Bastrykin recalled.

    About the ratio of international and national law he said that "the criteria must be determined exclusively by the country’s status in the international scene, and also by its strategic and geopolitical interests."


    This is overdue. The West exempts itself from rules it seeks to impose on others. Russia should consider all international treaties void unless or until the West is prepared to abide by them. Their actions over Libya , Syria and Ukraine are not consistent with claiming moral ascendency.

    Russia cant play by rigged rules of a game that the US Hegemony and its allies don't play by .



    http://tass.ru/en/russia/792004

    Just like i said the russian constitution under Yeltzin had alot of writing and defenition made by US and CIA and there are two that did not want to believe it but it still remains a fact.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:01 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:   Russia's chief investigator stands for canceling supremacy of international law      

    . The chief of Russia’s Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, has suggested amending Article 15 of the Russian Constitution to remove from it the supremacy of international law over national legislation . "Back in 1993, when the current Constitution was to be adopted, supremacy of international law was presented to us by advisers from the United States as the fundamental value of a state ruled by law. It may look ridiculous, but in a report on the draft Constitution that was published in Rossiiskaya Gazeta in 1993 it was stated with pride that its provisions had undergone foreign scrutiny," Bastrykin recalled.

    About the ratio of international and national law he said that "the criteria must be determined exclusively by the country’s status in the international scene, and also by its strategic and geopolitical interests."


    This is overdue. The West exempts itself from rules it seeks to impose on others. Russia should consider all international treaties void unless or until the West is prepared to abide by them. Their actions over Libya , Syria and Ukraine are not consistent with claiming moral ascendency.

    Russia cant play by rigged rules of a game that the US Hegemony and its allies don't play by .





    Just like i said the russian constitution under Yeltzin had alot of writing and defenition made by US and CIA and there are two that did not want to believe it but it still remains a fact.

    Jesus, there was nothing CIA-like, the Russian Cst of 1993 was based on OECD outlines, Helsinki charter and ultra liberal precepts (AKA Ali Baba). There was almost nothing that related the Russian Cst with the US Constitution, which is a antiquated piece of ... well you know.

    International laws are actually part of treaties Russia has signed, mostly on bilateral basis and then adopted within Russian set of laws. This is blustering by the gentleman, since we all know, abiding or not by the IL isn't something the US can impose on a fellow UNSC member.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:34 pm

    lol @ Werewofl blabbing about his CIA and Yeltsin fantasies.


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:54 pm

    Ohh yes, one non russian troll that pretends to be a russian and another guy that knows little about russian politics and history.

    Here you go, the entire Gorbatshow and Yeltzin traitor era with the meddling of US agents in Soviet Union and Russia and their hands in making laws and influencing russian constitution.

    http://www.nnre.ru/istorija/_izmena_v_kremle_protokoly_tainyh_soglashenii_gorbacheva_c_amerikancami/p1.php

    Just conspiracy theories, because a troll says so, while it is black on white confirmed by officials and by history.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:00 pm


    I skimmed the "document".
    Where is the smoking gun that Yeltsin put CIA recommendations into the constitutions, or to back up your previous claims, allowed them access to secrets?

    Go ahead, deliver in your claims.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:34 am

    This is blustering by the gentleman, since we all know, abiding or not by the IL isn't something the US can impose on a fellow UNSC member.

    The US regularly ignores international law when it suits them... and with their veto in the UNSC there is no practical way for Russia or anyone else to do anything about it.

    This is just a change to Russian law to allow them to ignore international law too and with their veto there wont be much the US and the west can do about that either...

    At best the west might decide to rethink the veto and UNSC system so that international law can be properly enforced for everyone and not just a chosen few and will be willing to renegotiate the current mechanisms which clearly don't actually work.

    At best there might be a change so everyone is subject to international law with no exceptions, and at worst the Russians will be freed up to do as they wish the way the US does... of course only if it suits their interests... they may choose to simply abide by international law anyway, but now they wont actually have to if it does not suit them.

    Go ahead, deliver in your claims.

    He is entitled to his opinion.

    Obviously without hard evidence it would be easy to dismiss claims as just opinion, but I personally think if "civilian contractors" and "weapon inspectors" in all sorts of international bodies are infiltrated by the CIA to subvert their work to Americas interests that when US firms are given advisory roles to the Russian government you could bet your ass quite a few will be on the CIA payroll if not actually agents.

    If the roles were reversed I would expect the same from the Russian secret services...


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:59 am

    GarryB wrote:
    This is blustering by the gentleman, since we all know, abiding or not by the IL isn't something the US can impose on a fellow UNSC member.

    The US regularly ignores international law when it suits them... and with their veto in the UNSC there is no practical way for Russia or anyone else to do anything about it.

    This is just a change to Russian law to allow them to ignore international law too and with their veto there wont be much the US and the west can do about that either...

    Well as I said, it still is blustering, since the IL isn't some monolith, what part of it do you, or don't you follow? Russia has everything to lose here...Furthermore, the sanctions are an illegal on many accounts, but they're also unilateral, there isn't ANYTHING related to the IL regarding these current sanction regime vis à vis Russia.
    This is totally Irrational and a very serious lack of understanding of the different legalities that insterted the primacy of IL within Russian Constitution.

    To put it mildly, it is not because the US can't be condemned for its "adventures" that those "adventures" are legal or that Russia should scrap the playbook all together. It's counterproductive. Plus see how it goes in Ukraine, there's nothing against Russia on the UN, because of the veto issue.

    So you have yet another 'coalition of the willing'.


    At best the west might decide to rethink the veto and UNSC system so that international law can be properly enforced for everyone and not just a chosen few and will be willing to renegotiate the current mechanisms which clearly don't actually work.

    IL is a daydream, having worked in an institution claiming to abide by it, it simply is bullshit. Things never change, you will always have peace and solution through superior fire and will power. Period. The moment the IL becomes a reality, the whole system of privileges goes down and so does the guys that built it.


    At best there might be a change so everyone is subject to international law with no exceptions, and at worst the Russians will be freed up to do as they wish the way the US does... of course only if it suits their interests... they may choose to simply abide by international law anyway, but now they wont actually have to if it does not suit them.

    Go ahead, deliver in your claims.

    He is entitled to his opinion.

    Obviously without hard evidence it would be easy to dismiss claims as just opinion, but I personally think if "civilian contractors" and "weapon inspectors" in all sorts of international bodies are infiltrated by the CIA to subvert their work to Americas interests that when US firms are given advisory roles to the Russian government you could bet your ass quite a few will be on the CIA payroll if not actually agents.

    If the roles were reversed I would expect the same from the Russian secret services...

    But again changing that small comma changes everything regarding the way Russia does business legally. And it also changes nothing. This is just an ill thought bravado that will cause a backlash on international level, not because Russia is Evil, but because Russia will have to deal every aspect of it international obligations with every nation.

    For instance, what's the Russian take on the ICC? What would that change from the current status? What about adoptions? What about different consummer protections provisions within treaties like ICAO etc...

    This is madness on the purest form. Russia can't still disengage on a case by case basis from the references that bother its policy, but rejecting the IL as a whole? What?

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 13, 2015 1:48 pm

    http://rt.com/politics/258113-russian-elections-churov-helsinki/

    So 5th coloumnists who are funded by an NGO, Golos, who refuses to sign up to counter foreign agent law or even to follow Russian laws, is demanding this guys resignation.

    I say, if they are refusing to register, kick them out of the country as they are illegal. I have no, NO idea why Russian gov is so reluctant in punishing these NGO's, especially foreign funded ones, for committing illegal activity. Are they incompetent, lazy? Or they just want to keep an open eye on them while helping them destroy their own image?

    According to this: http://tass.ru/en/russia/794403 They know how much money from US goes to NGO's and who gets what. So they are not oblivious of the activity.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed May 13, 2015 2:05 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://rt.com/politics/258113-russian-elections-churov-helsinki/

    So 5th coloumnists who are funded by an NGO, Golos, who refuses to sign up to counter foreign agent law or even to follow Russian laws, is demanding this guys resignation.

    I say, if they are refusing to register, kick them out of the country as they are illegal. I have no, NO idea why Russian gov is so reluctant in punishing these NGO's, especially foreign funded ones, for committing illegal activity. Are they incompetent, lazy? Or they just want to keep an open eye on them while helping them destroy their own image?

    According to this: http://tass.ru/en/russia/794403 They know how much money from US goes to NGO's and who gets what. So they are not oblivious of the activity.

    Jail time 20 years for treason and foreign agent work aka regime change.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 13, 2015 2:16 pm

    OK, thats fine but they are not even going after them, even the ones not willing to register! So there seems to be a real lack of any enforcement on the authorities side of things. Can anyone commit a crime and get away with it in Russia? The NGO laws should stipulate all organizations need to provide transparency in their fundings and activities through documentations. As well, any NGO caught providing financial support to a political party gets stripped of its NGO status. None registerers should be fined and either jailed or deported (depending if they are a foreigner or local citizen), with a ban (can be lifted by courts if challanged) on the organization.

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    Post  Neutrality on Wed May 13, 2015 4:29 pm

    sepheronx wrote:OK, thats fine but they are not even going after them, even the ones not willing to register! So there seems to be a real lack of any enforcement on the authorities side of things. Can anyone commit a crime and get away with it in Russia? The NGO laws should stipulate all organizations need to provide transparency in their fundings and activities through documentations. As well, any NGO caught providing financial support to a political party gets stripped of its NGO status. None registerers should be fined and either jailed or deported (depending if they are a foreigner or local citizen), with a ban (can be lifted by courts if challanged) on the organization.

    I think the FSB is already sitting on a goldmine of evidence against these idiots. When shit hits the fan and these radicals start disrupting elections, they'll arrest every leader, publish the collected evidence and put them away for several decades. Then this whole cycle of "unhappy" citizens can restart again with the FSB doing its job.

    Remember when the video of Udaltsov got published? The entire opposition movement calmed down. Authorities are fully aware where the money is flowing from, who gets it and what happens with it.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 13, 2015 5:31 pm

    It gets better: http://sputniknews.com/us/20150513/1022104642.html

    Apparently, the head of NED of Russias end, who is funding these NGO's is the daughter of a Ukrainian Nazi. And very critical of Russian gov.

    Russia should constitute this organization as pro nazi supporter and all obtaining funds from it and its affiliates, be put on trial.

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu May 14, 2015 11:53 pm

    Justice Ministry seeks probe into Khodorkovsky’s Open Russia movement - report

    and

    US money destroys civil consciousness, claims United Russia MP

    Since this is now popping up, I forsee in the coming years major change in laws regarding NGO's and how/where they get their funding from. This is good.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:09 pm

    Introduced a bill to ban the governors elected by more than 2 terms

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