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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:18 pm

    How have they showed their concern ? Because in the last 70 + years more than 2,000 nuclear test explosions have taken place already. Accidents and weapons too?
    They r monitoring them as well as BM tests:
    “That, in fact, UFOs have routinely monitored our nuclear weapons dating back decades and that, on occasion, apparently have interfered with the functionality of those weapons,” Hastings said. ..
    The government ended atomic weapons tests years ago, but Nevada incidents continue. Former security officers at Area 2 at Nellis Air Force Base, for years a storage facility for up to 200 nuclear warheads, have reported multiple intrusions by unknown aircraft from the late 1990s through 2004. ..
    Similar incidents have been reported in the UK, India, Pakistan and other nuclear powers. In the 1990s, the I-Team traveled to Russia twice and obtained classified documents about frightening incidents there.
    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-new-film-claims-ufos-monitored-nuclear-weapons/
    http://www.ufohastings.com/articles/triangular-shaped-ufo-sighted-at-the-nellis-afb-nuclear-weapons-storage-area

    http://www.ufohastings.com/documentary
    From 1963 to 1980, all were present at U.S. nuclear missile sites when the flashing lights of alien spacecraft – some disc-shaped, some conical, some spherical – appeared before them or their colleagues.
    ..the major threat that the aliens pose is to the close-minded. "I don't think humankind is in jeopardy from whoever they are or whatever they are, except that we will have our minds expanded," he said. "There will be a paradigm shift. Traditional institutions such as religions, governments, other social institutions may be threatened by what is coming. That is just the logical consequence of what is about to occur." ..Some confessed that they didn't see the ships themselves, but heard reliable accounts from trustworthy comrades. In most cases, though, when the aliens approached, the missiles stopped being responsive to technicians' controls.
    But the aliens didn't actually zap the missiles. They just flew over the bases, worked their advanced-technological magic and disappeared into the night. "They could have done a lot more damage," Salas told Danger Room when asked how he knew the alien counter-missile efforts didn't portend a more hostile purpose, like a forthcoming attack.
    https://www.wired.com/2010/09/tinfoil-tuesdays-ufos-neutered-nukes-air-force-officers-claim/

    In the last 75 years, high-ranking U.S. military and intelligence personnel have also reported UAPs near sites associated with nuclear power, weaponry and technology—from the early atomic-bomb development and test sites to active nuclear naval fleets.
    “All of the nuclear facilities—Los Alamos, Livermore, Sandia, Savannah River—all had dramatic incidents where these unknown craft appeared over the facilities and nobody knew where they were from or what they were doing there,” says investigative journalist George Knapp, who has studied the UAP-nuclear connection for more than 30 years. Knapp has gathered documentation by filing Freedom of Information Act requests to the departments of defense and energy.
    “There seems to be a lot of correlation there,” says Lue Elizondo, who from 2007 to 2012 served as director of a covert team of UAP researchers operating inside the Department of Defense. The program, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), received $22 million of the Pentagon’s $600 billion budget in 2012, The New York Times reported. Elizondo now helps lead To the Stars’ investigations.
    The UFO-nuclear connection began at the dawn of the atomic age.
    Nuclear-adjacent sightings go back decades, says Robert Hastings, a UFO researcher and author of the book UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites. Hastings says he’s interviewed more than 160 veterans who have witnessed strange things in the skies around nuclear sites.
    “You have objects being tracked on radar performing at speeds that no object on earth can perform,” Hastings says. “You have eyewitness [military] personnel. You have jet pilots.” Witnesses to these incidents are often highly trained personnel with top security clearances. In recent years, their reports are being corroborated by sophisticated technology.
    In late 1948, “green fireballs” were reported in the skies near atomic laboratories in Los Alamos and Sandia, New Mexico, where the atomic bomb was first developed and tested. A declassified FBI document from 1950 mentions “flying saucers” measuring almost 50 feet in diameter near the Los Alamos labs. And Knapp has interviewed more than a dozen workers from the Nevada desert atomic test site, where scores of A-bombs were detonated in the post-WWII years. He says they told him UFO activity was so commonplace there, employees were assigned to monitor the activity.
    In the 1960s and ’70s, repeated UFO sightings emerged at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana, a storage site for nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). At one such alleged sighting in 1967, former Air Force Capt. Robert Salas says several of those missiles became inoperative at the same time base security reported seeing a glowing red object, about 30 feet in diameter, hovering over the facility. Salas, who commanded ICBMs as a launch officer and later worked in the aerospace industry and at the Federal Aviation Administration, told CNN the “missiles began going into what's called a ‘no-go condition,’ or unlaunchable.”

    Navy sightings in the Atlantic and the Pacific
    In recent years, sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena have emerged from America’s nuclear navy.
    F-18 fighter pilots from the nuclear-powered USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier strike group saw UAPs almost daily for several months between the summer of 2014 and the spring of 2015 while executing training maneuvers along the Eastern seaboard between Virginia and Florida, witnesses told Elizondo.
    “Wherever we were, they were there,” says Ryan Graves, an active-duty F-18 fighter pilot from the USS Roosevelt, who holds a degree in aerospace engineering.
    The objects appeared in three shapes, Graves says—some were discs, others looked like a cube inside a sphere, while smaller round objects flew together in formation. All lacked visible engines or exhaust systems. Some tilted, mid-flight, like spinning tops, as seen on an infrared video released by the U.S. Department of Defense in 2017. Graves and another F-18 pilot, Danny Accoin, confirm that video, along with one other released by the government, had been shot by their fellow Roosevelt pilots while in the air.
    One UAP, Grave says, almost caused a terrifying collision by zipping dangerously between two planes. An aviation flight-safety report was filed, he says, but never investigated.
    Graves says the unidentified objects reappeared once the Roosevelt had deployed to its mission in the Persian Gulf.
    “It’s hard to find a prosaic explanation for a carrier battle group being shadowed by unidentified aircraft all the way across the Atlantic, to an area of operations overseas in the Middle East,” says Chris Mellon, former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence during the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, who now serves as an integral part of the To The Stars team. “It makes an extremely compelling case for the existence of technologies we didn’t think were possible.”
    Leon Golub, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, told The New York Times there may indeed be several “low-probability” prosaic explanations for the Roosevelt sightings. They include “bugs in the [radar’s] code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections [and] neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight.”
    Still, the Roosevelt reports echo those made by Navy pilots undergoing training exercises on the other side of the country. In November 2004 pilots and radar operators from the USS Nimitz carrier fleet saw a 40-foot long tic-tac shaped object flying just above the ocean while flying 100 miles off the coast of California near San Diego. When F-18 fighter jets were scrambled to approach the object, it accelerated, easily outrunning the supersonic Navy craft.
    Increasing attention to the topic
    Whereas earlier reports were career-killers for military personnel, there is an increasing openness in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill to taking these sightings seriously as potential threats. In April 2019, the U.S. Navy announced that it was updating its guidelines for how pilots and personnel should report unexplained aerial phenomena—making it easier for military members to report sightings to superiors without facing professional stigma and backlash. And Congress, beginning with former Senate majority leader Harry Reid, has taken more interest in being briefed.
    George Knapp says that’s more activity than he has seen in three decades. He, and many others, think it’s overdue.
    “At the facilities where we were first designing and building nuclear weapons…at the places where we were processing the fuel…at the facilities where we were testing the weapons…at the bases where we deployed those weapons, on the ships…the nuclear submarines… All those places, all the people working there have seen these things,” Knapp says.

    https://www.history.com/news/ufos-near-nuclear-facilities-uss-roosevelt-rendlesham

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8026971/Aliens-have-deactivated-British-and-US-nuclear-missiles-say-US-military-pilots.html

    ..at Vandenberg Air Force Base in 1964, ..a test missile was destroyed shortly after launch. Lieutenant Robert Jacobs came forward in 1982 to describe a film he took of a space object approach the missile and shoot a plasma-type beam at the dummy warhead from four different angles. The warhead then fell off into the ocean. https://www.independent.com/2019/08/20/ufos-in-santa-barbara-%E2%80%95-do-you-believe/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXwAUYAIT_w

    https://www.ufohastings.com/articles/ufos-are-stalking-and-intercepting-dummy-nuclear-warheads-during-test-flights

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qffIx2GWDo&feature=youtu.be

    https://www.ufoinsight.com/ufos-chernobyl/
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They r monitoring them as well as BM tests:

    Ok. But then aliens could simply stop research and development undertakings like Manhattan Project even before they took off, if aliens were so concerned about the dangers posed by nuclear weapons. They did not. Instead they allowed the design and development of thousands of nuclear warheads around the world.

    I read somewhere that Hindu scriptures that are more than 5000 years old talk about spaceships that are capable of inter galactic travel. Question is why haven't Hindus been able to figure out how to design such spaceships ?


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:24 pm

    They don't want to disrupt & upset out civilization & progress by imposing their will on us like European colonizers did in Africa, Asia & the Americas. We need to learn from our own experience & mistakes.
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:28 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They don't want to disrupt & upset out civilization & progress by imposing their will on us like European colonizers did in Africa, Asia & the Americas. We need to learn from our own experience & mistakes.

    Are all these aliens who have so far visited Earth coming from just one planet ? It's quite possible that different aliens are coming from different planets. And their agenda vis a vis Earth differs.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:35 pm

    Question is why haven't Hindus been able to figure out how to design such spaceships?
    they didn't possess all the know-how.
    It's quite possible that different aliens are coming from different planets. And their agenda vis a vis Earth differs.
    It very well could be. But they most probably have an intergalactic governing body to coordinate their activities on & around the Earth in the interests of all members.


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    Post  jhelb on Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:44 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote: they didn't possess all the know-how.

    That's weird. Apparently they had written records in Sanskrit of such space ships.


    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    It very well could be. But they most probably have an intergalactic governing body to coordinate their activities on & around the Earth in the interests of all members.

    While it's quite possible that [intelligent] alien life does exist, I'm not sure if they mean well.

    For hundreds of years millions of people have been killed in wars. WW1 & WW2 between themselves wiped out more than 100 million. Many of these people were innocent. Aliens never interfered to stop such frenzied killings.

    I read somewhere that aliens are basically experimenting with us.
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    Post  starman on Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:49 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Most of which are airliners...  

    There have been misidentifications of aircraft or natural phenomena but still many unexplained reports.
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    Post  starman on Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:54 am

    jhelb wrote:
    Are all these aliens who have so far visited Earth coming from just one planet ?

    Even if they aren't, there are certain basic rules they all seem to follow. Either the apparent diversity is illusory or they're acting within the guidelines of some federation.


    It's quite possible that different aliens are coming from different planets. And their agenda vis a vis Earth differs.

    At times it seems that way but the phenomenon is awash with deception. The aforementioned book gets into the reasons for it.
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    Post  starman on Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:57 am

    jhelb wrote:
    If the aliens indeed have some sort of understanding with US/Western governments I'm quite certain it's not for the betterment of humanity, especially those of us who are from Russia, Asia and Africa.

    I think the aliens are ultimately acting in everyone's best interest.


    Can you please share some link about this discovery ?

    Laughing So you never heard of Roswell?
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:38 pm

    starman wrote:
    Laughing So you never heard of Roswell?

    One thing which is quite consistent with UFO sightings the world over is that most observers described the UFO as a Saucer shaped object.

    Not sure why majority of UFOs were sighted in the US compared to other countries.
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:55 pm

    @jhelb

    The shape of reported craft varies. From cigar shaped to triangular to saucer to spheres. As do shape and size of occupants. As starman said, there is a lot of false information out there. Mixed with perhaps few genuine cases. One reason I can give as to why America and Europe are mostly reporting UFO, is that assuming these aliens have a Genetic and biological sampling aim. Then these territories through mass migration, provide a most diverse population for study. But another answer may be that the false reported cases are a social phenomenon. As for example are crop circles. These being reported in USA and Europe. But not in Asia or Middle East. There is a lot of padding and packaging. Difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. At the core of this phenomenon, there does seem to be something weird and perhaps other worldly !

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    Post  jhelb on Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:56 am

    nomadski wrote:The shape of reported craft varies. From cigar shaped to triangular to saucer to spheres.

    The reason why I found the saucer shape intriguing is because those individuals/organizations who are talking about Warp drive are suggesting that such a space ship capable of achieving warp speed should also be saucer shaped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IXS_Enterprise

    So I was thinking if aliens have already mastered Warp drive and hence their space ships are saucer shaped.

    nomadski wrote:As do shape and size of occupants.

    Ok. I don't have much knowledge about the size of these aliens.

    Any alien species coming to Earth will be exposed to a totally different biological environment compared to that prevalent in their own planets. It is all explained here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SViC09xFdLM
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    Post  starman on Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:45 am

    jhelb wrote:
    One thing which is quite consistent with UFO sightings the world over is that most observers described the UFO as a Saucer shaped object.

    Many not necessarily most. Spherical, hat shaped and cylinderical craft have been reported and many observers saw just lights.

    Not sure why majority of UFOs were sighted in the US compared to other countries.

    I doubt the majority of sightings were here. There have been many sightings in Europe, South America etc.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:07 pm

    Here is Russian SETI.  This should be international like ISS. Best chance of contact with ET.  The link for Russia UFO does not seem to work. Can someone post articles original please.

    http://lnfm1.sai.msu.ru/SETI/eng/

    Look at these photo before you die. I look and feel that we can not possibly be alone in universe....


    https://youtu.be/daB_VxxI1vo
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    Post  starman on Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:47 am

    nomadski wrote:Here is Russian SETI........ Best chance of contact with ET.

    I think contact has already been made. It's naive to think alien civilizations, almost certainly much older considering we're beginners, rely on familiar technology for communication.
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    Post  jhelb on Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:59 pm

    starman wrote:I think contact has already been made. It's naive to think alien civilizations, almost certainly much older considering we're beginners, rely on familiar technology for communication.

    Aliens being more advanced than us will be able to decipher our message. Probably they too have replied but organizations like SETI etc have not been able to crack the code yet.
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    Post  starman on Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:20 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Aliens being more advanced than us will be able to decipher our message. Probably they too have replied but organizations like SETI etc have not been able to crack the code yet.

    No I didn't mean contact via SETI but contact with UFO entities. Smile To my knowledge, with the possible exception of the "WOW!" signal of the '70s, SETI never produced any results.
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    Post  jhelb on Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:37 pm

    starman wrote:No I didn't mean contact via SETI but contact with UFO entities.

    Will you elaborate on this ? Also will you please briefly sum up what is your understanding of the current status w.r.t to aliens ? Thanks.
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    Post  nomadski on Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:43 am

    I think starman is correct in some respect. The scientists today are mostly zealots. They are subject to political and peer pressure. You will hardly get truth or science from university professor with vested interest in selling his wares to us. He will sell what he likes. An old story. A complicated story. They will never admit that their story may be wrong. So if you say science changes and old science becomes outdated. Then they will not agree. Newton is now outdated. And therefore one day Einstein will be outdated. Now we have quantum mechanics. Scientists also do not admit they know very little. They do not know for example what 90% of universe is made of. Yet they feel confident that they can say something with confidence . Starman is right to point to this fact. Advanced civilization will probably not care about speed of light or such nonsense.

    But we only have our own theory. We can only use our own lame horse to pull our cart out of mud. If we found a better horse, then we will use that instead. So for civilizations that are close to our level and use radio, then using radio telescope is best way. The only way for us now. Also if civilization far more advanced to us, it is unlikely they will initiate direct contact. Other than an observational or scientific study. For their own agenda. Because we can offer nothing to them. Lower civilizations that do not use radio and do not have a horse, or a cart, well we can not contact. So radio is only way for us now.

    https://youtu.be/P3vOo5L9xqE

    https://youtu.be/xbGd_240ynk

    https://youtu.be/DMIBdUEjudo

    https://youtu.be/hLLTqfoakoY


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    Post  starman on Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:43 am

    jhelb wrote:Will you elaborate on this ? Also will you please briefly sum up what is your understanding of the current status w.r.t to aliens ? Thanks.

    According to accounts I've read, there has been a great deal of communication between UFO entities and various individuals, often called contactees (and communication with abductess--those taken against their will). I doubt the veracity of much of what contactees have been told, however. Several people who claim inside knowledge of Washington's UFO policy say there has been no government-alien communication. I have grave doubts about that as does the author of that aforementioned book.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:12 pm

    https://youtu.be/EVBCLAaflaw

    Can you say what these "aliens" have been saying? And why it is a lie?  Also you say governments lie about the contact they have had. This I am more inclined to believe.  But I can not believe my friend lied about his experience. And I am stuck, in trying to explain it. But apart from an actual alien abduction, two explanations come to mind. The first is to do with our collective unconscious. As explained by Carl jung. That is, we humans like apes have inherited genetic memory. Like a spider that does not learn to make a Web. We are afraid of snakes. We inherit this memory. And we dream about snakes. With fear. But in modern life we substitute different symbols for snakes. Such as trains or planes. And we dream in fear. There are other symbols. Such as old man, the mother and the shadow! So alien abduction could be modern translation of our old fears. But I admit, it is streaching this theory a bit.

    The other explanation is the medical theory. Some doctors suggest that since most people have had invasive examinations, gastroscopy or endoscopy under sedation. As well as gynecological exams and surgical operations under anaesthesia, that some may be awake during operations and some remember these traumatic events in dreams. This does provide a probable explanation. But is not identical to abduction phenomenon. It is only a probability.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/alien-abduction-or-accidental-awareness/

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    Post  starman on Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:36 am

    nomadski wrote:Can you say what these "aliens" have been saying? And why it is a lie?

    According to contactees aliens have claimed to come from Venus, Mars even Mercury. Adamski btw wasn't the only one to claim contact with "Venusians."
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:07 am


    https://youtu.be/pEJ-wXpeH6w

    I see. Who lies and who does not? That is the question. Then in this case or others we can also argue from facts. You know the ancient Persians used to argue a case twice. Once when there drunk on wine. And once when they were sober! So arguing from sober facts, gives us different perspectives. For example the facts in Roswell case :

    ( 1) The papers reported that Army claimed to have recovered a UFO.

    ( 2) The papers reported that army allegedly recovered a weather Balloon.

    The only conclusion we can draw from these two statements that we know to be true is that : The papers reported!

    It is true. But not much fun.

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    Post  starman on Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:37 am

    nomadski wrote:
    Who lies and who does not? That is the question. Then in this case or others we can also argue from facts.

    For obvious reasons, claims that ETs are from Venus are nonsense.


    ( 1)  The papers reported that Army claimed to have recovered a UFO.

    ( 2) The papers reported  that army allegedly recovered a weather Balloon.

    As The Alien Plan for Earth indicates, the initial claim in the press release was true but deliberately misleading while #2 was just part of the coverup.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:33 pm

    For hundreds of years millions of people have been killed in wars. WW1 & WW2 between themselves wiped out more than 100 million. Many of these people were innocent. Aliens never interfered to stop such frenzied killings.
    why should they if it's a natural process of human evolution & doesn't affect them in any way?
    But if since we r now sending probes into, & can start wars from/in space, it got their undivided attention.

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