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    Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  BTRfan on Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:40 pm

    In an earlier thread I posted that I vehemently disagree with how the Soviet POWs were treated in WW2 but I didn't elaborate on how I thought they should have been treated. Some might think to say, "oh he says he doesn't agree with how they were treated, but that is just empty rhetoric so he doesn't offend people by sounding brutal and ruthless..."

    I want to post how I believe they should have been treated to show that I have given a reasonable amount of thought to this matter.

    Upon the capture of a unit, the surrendering unit would be screened and political officers immediately taken aside and segregated away from the rest of the surrendered soldiers.

    Everybody, including political officers, would be fed a warm meal, comparable to what German soldiers would have been getting via their field kitchens. I would assume that by the time units in massive pockets had surrendered they would be fairly hungry and thirsty.

    I would also suggest that everybody be given a lecture on how poorly they will fare if the Red Army wins the war, given Stalin’s thoughts on soldiers who surrender.

    With that in mind, everybody would then be given several options-

    They can go to Germany and live in houses/apartments in the cities, towns, villages, and work in factories/workshops for wages comparable to what German workers in similar positions would earn. This would necessitate a lot of construction and their first major tasks would probably be related to construction.

    They can join the German military after receiving training that would be given to German recruits so that they can operate effectively alongside German units and coordinate with German units. They would then be assigned to a variety of units, security units, infantry units, operating a lot of the captured Soviet equipment.

    They can go to a prison camp which would be an actual POW camp, not a fenced in field. Actual facilities [buildings] would probably have to be built by the prisoners themselves due to the shortage of labor and materials in Germany. Prisoners would be adequately fed with increased rations to accommodate the extra calorie demands given the hard labor of clearing land, chopping down trees, and making barracks. Once the camps were erected the prisoners would also be allowed to grow their own food/gardens to supplement the rations and Red Cross packages that they would be sent.


    Political officers would be interrogated/interviewed one on one by the Gestapo and those who wished to turn their back on Stalin and communism [they would have to have at least some vague idea of what would await them back in the USSR] would be given options similar to the other POWs. Those who refused to turn their back on Stalin would probably be shot or sent to a special POW camp exclusively for political officers, so they would be unable to influence other POWs.


    I believe that almost all of the POWs would have accepted working and living in Germany or serving in the German military, perhaps 20-30% would have declined and would have gone to POW camps.

    I believe that such programs for POWs would cultivate the development of a future middle class for post-war/post-Soviet Russia, so that upon the successful conclusion of the war, a large group of individuals, who would by then possess some knowledge of the German language along with positive experiences with Germans and Germany. The foundation would be laid for an independent post-war Russia that would be against communism and would be a friend with Germany.


    So when I say I don't agree with how the Soviet POWs were treated, I actually mean it, it isn't just some group of empty words, meaningless rhetoric, for the sake of appearances.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:52 pm

    Your desire for Germany to beat the USSR is disgusting.

    Your Nazi sympathies aren't fooling anyone here.

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    Post  Regular on Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:22 pm

    And yet Nazis were treating Soviet POW same as jews. It's history forum not alternative reality place. By this extent why not go that far as imagining what would happen if Nazi Germany would not kill jews and drop racial supremacy thing?

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    Post  BTRfan on Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:42 pm

    TR1 wrote:Your desire for Germany to beat the USSR is disgusting.

    Your Nazi sympathies aren't fooling anyone here.




    What sort of sick individual would I be if I desired my own ancestral homeland to lose in a war against an evil communist regime?


    Several million Russians and Ukrainians ended up siding with Germany, they must have understood how truly evil Stalin was.

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    Post  BTRfan on Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:43 pm

    TR1 wrote:Your desire for Germany to beat the USSR is disgusting.

    Your Nazi sympathies aren't fooling anyone here.



    No offense, but being a Muslim/Turk [you said you're an Avar, which basically means you're a Muslim- right?] you couldn't possibly understand the importance of race and the European/White birth-right.


    People tend to get jealous and resentful of those who have what they cannot have.

    Because you cannot have our birth-right you deny that race exists and you rant that race is meaningless because you know you will never be us.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:44 pm

    Ah, so you OPENLY do wish Germany won the war?
    Yes, the USSR was definitely the bigger of the two evils LOL!

    You know what, I will flat out say it. You are a racist idiot. Have fun living in your Nazi-fetishized racist world, and pretending everyone else doesn't get it.
    My last response to this idiocy.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:46 pm

    BTRfan wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Your desire for Germany to beat the USSR is disgusting.

    Your Nazi sympathies aren't fooling anyone here.



    No offense, but being a Muslim/Turk [you said you're an Avar, which basically means you're a Muslim- right?] you couldn't possibly understand the importance of race and the European/White birth-right.


    People tend to get jealous and resentful of those who have what they cannot have.

    Because you cannot have our birth-right you deny that race exists and you rant that race is meaningless because you know you will never be us.

    Yeah, you are an idiot.

    Good day.

    Muslim/Turk, jesus christ....

    You are right about one thing.
    I NEVER want to be you, that's for sure.

    ANd I am reporting this thread to Vlad, because I have no interest in posting on the same board where scum like you posts.

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    Post  BTRfan on Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:50 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Your desire for Germany to beat the USSR is disgusting.

    Your Nazi sympathies aren't fooling anyone here.



    No offense, but being a Muslim/Turk [you said you're an Avar, which basically means you're a Muslim- right?] you couldn't possibly understand the importance of race and the European/White birth-right.


    People tend to get jealous and resentful of those who have what they cannot have.

    Because you cannot have our birth-right you deny that race exists and you rant that race is meaningless because you know you will never be us.

    Yeah, you are an idiot.

    Good day.

    Muslim/Turk, jesus christ....

    You are right about one thing.
    I NEVER want to be you, that's for sure.

    ANd I am reporting this thread to Vlad, because I have no interest in posting on the same board where scum like you posts.



    I think Al-Jazeera and Al-Qaeda might have forums where Muslims can post without having to risk being offended by White Christians in the West/USA.


    I have refrained from personal attacks against you yet you have repeatedly called me an idiot and now you threaten to report my posts and threaten the forum owner with a cry of "ban this man or I leave the forum, I won't post on the same board with this man!"

    You're as intolerant as the most hardline Gauleiter.


    What you do not understand and cannot understand [race] you claim does not exist. What you do not agree with you denounce as idioicy and you denounce thoes who articulate such views as idiots.


    You have shown an inability to disagree in a civil fashion. You are not able to carry on a rational and logical discussion or debate, all you can do is shout insults.

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    Post  BTRfan on Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:55 pm

    Having just read the rules over again to make sure I am in full compliance with them, I fail to see which rules I have violated, although I believe you have violated at least one or two.


    http://www.russiadefence.net/t269-rmf-rules-and-regulations


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    You have repeatedly called me an idiot which has prompted me to direct attention to your Islamic background/heritage. It might be a borderline violation on my part to call attention to your Islamic roots, but it is certainly a violation on your part to repeatedly call me an idiot.


    If there was a rule pertaining to, "Do not advocate or discuss anything about NSDAP/Third Reich" then I would adhere to the rule. It does not appear there is any such rule.

    It also does not appear that there is a rule along the lines of "do not offend TR1 or say anything against Islam."

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    Post  BTRfan on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:37 am

    You may not wish to address me, speak to me, or post in my threads, TR1, but I would like to say...


    While we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, indeed there are many things where we have vastly differing views, I value your input on the modern military threads, threads related to Russian weaponry, and discussions about the hypotheticals of a NATO/Soviet Bloc fight.

    I believe you've been reasonably decent with me, I don't fault you for getting upset about racial issues, we're not of the same race, we don't share the same blood, we don't have a common heritage, and you see White racial unity, especially Germanic racial unity, as a potential threat to your way of life. I understand your concerns, but our race has a right to survive, prosper, and thrive. The German volk community has lost about 40% of the lands it had in 1913. For instance, much of Poland is actually land that was historically German for over one thousand years. Never before have so many Germans been squeezed into such little space.

    I've never advocated a German homeland in Ukraine or Russia or any aspect of General plan Ost. However, many Germans were invited into the Volga region in the old Russian Empire and I believe they were productive citizens who contributed greatly to their adopted homeland.

    Hundreds of thousands of non-whites, be they Indian POWs, Arabs, Albanians, Georgians, and others, served in the German military, even the Waffen SS. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem declared his support for Germany and Hitler. Simply supporting the basic principles of the NSDAP does not mean one seeks to eliminate or rule over other races or denigrate them in any fashion.


    If you'd like, we can continue to discuss things that are less controversial and where we share some common ground [interest in military history, NATO, Warsaw Pact, Russian/Soviet weapons], but perhaps the two of us should avoid discussions that deal with issues such as race, the NSDAP, Third Reich, etc.


    I don't hold it against you that you are glad that your nation was not defeated in the Second World War.


    A lot of things that should have happened did not happen and a lot of things that never should have happened [such as atrocities] sadly did happen.


    In an ideal world WW2 would never have happened. In a world less than ideal but better than how it was, Japan never would have been pushed into attacking the USA, Britain would have sought honorable terms with Germany in 1940 [or they would have done right by Germany in mid-1939 and allowed Germany to come to an understanding with Poland], and the Soviet Union/Russia would have formed a wider anti-capitalist alliance with Germany and Italy to provide a check on British/French ambitions in Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and Central Asia.

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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:50 am

    What sort of sick individual would I be if I desired my own ancestral homeland to lose in a war against an evil communist regime?

    Evil? The west felt the communists were the lessor of two evils that confronted them in a difficult time. The Soviet system was flawed but was not genocidal like the nazi regime in Germany.

    Several million Russians and Ukrainians ended up siding with Germany, they must have understood how truly evil Stalin was.

    And what real choices did they have?

    Half the people in the US voted for the current president... does that mean the other half would actively support an outside force to come in and overthrow them by force? No doubt millions might, but that says more about them than it does about "democracy" in the US.

    No offense, but being a Muslim/Turk [you said you're an Avar, which basically means you're a Muslim- right?] you couldn't possibly understand the importance of race and the European/White birth-right.

    No offence but I am as white as you are and I totally agree with him. Smile

    People tend to get jealous and resentful of those who have what they cannot have.

    No they don't. The world is not jealous of the US or Saudi Arabia for that matter for their wealth... for the most part we really don't actually think about you very much at all. It is when your government starts bombing people or building religious buildings to create radicals that we take notice and start saying things out loud.

    Because you cannot have our birth-right you deny that race exists and you rant that race is meaningless because you know you will never be us.

    He can have mine... I don't want it. Razz

    I think Al-Jazeera and Al-Qaeda might have forums where Muslims can post without having to risk being offended by White Christians in the West/USA.

    Freedom loving when it allows you to say what you want, yet no tolerance for the rights or feelings of others...

    I understand your concerns, but our race has a right to survive, prosper, and thrive.

    Yet you don't seem to think non white races have any rights to survive, prosper, thrive... or live anywhere near you.

    In an ideal world WW2 would never have happened. In a world less than ideal but better than how it was, Japan never would have been pushed into attacking the USA, Britain would have sought honorable terms with Germany in 1940 [or they would have done right by Germany in mid-1939 and allowed Germany to come to an understanding with Poland], and the Soviet Union/Russia would have formed a wider anti-capitalist alliance with Germany and Italy to provide a check on British/French ambitions in Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and Central Asia.

    Ha... in an ideal world the Germans wouldn't have supported Lenin and given him safe passage back to Russia in 1917 to start a revolution intended to take Russia out of the war with Germany... there might have still been a revolution in Russia that wasn't a communist one... perhaps like the French revolution.

    What if What if...


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    Post  BTRfan on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Yet you don't seem to think non white races have any rights to survive, prosper, thrive... or live anywhere near you.



    Well seeing that less than 7% of the world's population is White and there is not a single White nation in the world that is more than 95% White, with most nations in Western Europe being at least 20-30% non-White, I would say our race is in real danger of being displaced and replaced in its traditional lands.


    I don't see Nigeria or Chad in danger of being swamped by immigration from Switzerland or Italy.

    Legally Whites cannot even apply for citizenship in Liberia.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:41 am


    Well seeing that less than 7% of the world's population is White and there is not a single White nation in the world that is more than 95% White, with most nations in Western Europe being at least 20-30% non-White, I would say our race is in real danger of being displaced and replaced in its traditional lands.

    Amongst the people you describe as blacks there are thousands of different races and ethnic groups. Amongst the people you call whites there are a similar number of strands.

    Ask any doctor about blood purity and they will most likely laugh at you... there is no such thing as impure blood... don't you watch Harry Potter movies?

    Migration is natural, interbreeding is natural... planned breeding to keep the blood pure is the sort of BS the Germans of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan would approve of.

    I don't see Nigeria or Chad in danger of being swamped by immigration from Switzerland or Italy.

    People tend to move towards the money and good infrastructure and away from areas of large population... 200 years ago that meant away from Europe, now it means towards Europe... perhaps if Europe was better at helping the poor countries in building infrastructure and decent economies rather that being interested in pinching oil contracts and running copper mines some places that are corrupt and backward might be in a better state.

    Legally Whites cannot even apply for citizenship in Liberia.

    The enormous damage white colonials have done to the neighbouring countries... are you surprised?


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    Post  BTRfan on Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Well seeing that less than 7% of the world's population is White and there is not a single White nation in the world that is more than 95% White, with most nations in Western Europe being at least 20-30% non-White, I would say our race is in real danger of being displaced and replaced in its traditional lands.

    Amongst the people you describe as blacks there are thousands of different races and ethnic groups. Amongst the people you call whites there are a similar number of strands.

    Ask any doctor about blood purity and they will most likely laugh at you... there is no such thing as impure blood... don't you watch Harry Potter movies?

    Migration is natural, interbreeding is natural... planned breeding to keep the blood pure is the sort of BS the Germans of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan would approve of.

    I don't see Nigeria or Chad in danger of being swamped by immigration from Switzerland or Italy.

    People tend to move towards the money and good infrastructure and away from areas of large population... 200 years ago that meant away from Europe, now it means towards Europe... perhaps if Europe was better at helping the poor countries in building infrastructure and decent economies rather that being interested in pinching oil contracts and running copper mines some places that are corrupt and backward might be in a better state.

    Legally Whites cannot even apply for citizenship in Liberia.

    The enormous damage white colonials have done to the neighbouring countries... are you surprised?




    Damage?


    ALL of the roads, airports, bridges, dams, irrigation canals, commercial farms, EVERYTHING that sub-Saharan Africa has in the way of infrastructure they owe to White colonialism.


    The great irony is that if Whites had never gone to sub-Saharan Africa, there wouldn't be more than 40 million negroes in the whole of sub-Saharan Africa, their population would be where it was in the 1860s prior to the mass colonization of Africa.

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    Post  Regular on Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:10 pm

    What sort of sick individual would I be if I desired my own ancestral homeland to lose in a war against an evil communist regime?
    Nazies were more evil.
    What about Germans fighting against Nazi troops? They desired Nazi Germany to fall ASAP

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    Post  BTRfan on Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:37 pm

    Regular wrote:
    What sort of sick individual would I be if I desired my own ancestral homeland to lose in a war against an evil communist regime?
    Nazies were more evil.
    What about Germans fighting against Nazi troops? They desired Nazi Germany to fall ASAP


    They fall into two broad categories... Tools and fools.

    Those who were tools of the international globalist conspiracy and those who were naive fools.



    This article was written by a Physicist who is a White Nationalist in the USA. He has a PhD in Particle Physics-


    http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/2011/10/if-hitler-won-world-war-ii-we-would.html


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    If Hitler Won World War II We'd Have A Better, More Just World Today
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    Legendary U.S. General George S. Patton realized late in the war that the United States fought the wrong country. Patton felt the U.S. should have sided with Germany to destroy Jewish Bolshevik/Communist USSR. This information comes from Patton's diary entries, letters he wrote to his wife, and comments he made to military officers and staff.

    World War II was incredibly complex. However, in the final analysis, WWII was essentially a war between two competing ideologies: Nationalism -vs- Jewish Internationalism/globalism. Adolf Hitler and his allies fought to preserve the concept of Nationalism, not just for Germans but for all peoples the world over. Nationalism really just means the sovereignty of an ethnic people and the right of such ethnic people/nationalists - within their own bordered country - to self-determination. What is meant by self-determination? Self-determination just means an ethnic people preserving their unique culture & heritage and pursuing their collective goals as a unique people. This applies to any ethnic peoples: Nigerians, Germans, Swedes, Vietnamese, Mexicans, Tibetans, etc.

    On the other side of WWII was Jewish (Bolshevik) Internationalism (today we simply call this 'globalism'). In the 1920's, 1930's, and of course during WWII, powerful Jewish Internationalists were fervently advancing the Jewish worldview of eventually eliminating all nations... except for a Jewish homeland... (what was later to be - after WWII - the nation of Israel in 1948). Today we see that nothing has changed; Jewish Internationalism/globalism still works toward gradually "merging" all peoples of the world (particularly in the Western World) into one globalist system with a global government, global laws, consistent global culture, global bank, global currency, etc. In short, Jewish globalism (i.e., the weakening and eventual elimination of all nations) is the exact opposite of Nationalism (i.e., a world composed of nations ... specifically, ethnically homogenous and bordered nations). The Allied powers of WWII (led by Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin, et al) were tools of International Jewry and thus de facto fighting for the Jewish globalist worldview. After the (Jewish run) Allies won WWII in 1945, International Jewish forces were then free to exercise a Jewish 'Sphere of Influence' over the greater Western World (and as we see today, increasingly over the rest of the world).

    Alternatively, if Hitler had won World War II and then exercised a Nationalist 'Sphere of Influence' over the greater Western World, we'd have a more just, fair, and moral Western World today. The rest of the world would have similarly benefited had the Germans been victorious since German influence would have surely spread elsewhere (ideas such as non-usurious banking and strong family oriented culture would likely have spread globally).

    Had Hitler won World War II, what would be different in the post war world? Here are a few examples:

    1 - No USSR (the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign - to study this topic read the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn; Hitler would have liberated the USSR, though taking large parts of its Western region for lebensraum, "living space")

    2 - No cold war (because there would be no USSR)

    3 - No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (when WWII ended, Eastern Europe fell to Communism - this was part of Stalin's spoils of war)

    4 - No Red China and Mao's subsequent killing of 40 - 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao's Communists which ultimately led to Mao's victory over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)

    5 - No Communist North Vietnam (both the Soviet Union and Red China aided Ho Chi Minh)

    6 - No Communist Cambodia and Pol Pot's slaughter of 2 million Cambodians (Red China aided Pol Pot)

    7 - No dividing Korea into North Korea & South Korea (the allies split Korea after WWII ended, with North Korea becoming Communist... another of Stalin's spoils of war)

    8 - No Communist Cuba (given the previous, what support would Castro have had in the 1950's?)

    9 - No Communism anywhere (Hitler was the world's most fervent anti-Communist)

    10 - Liberalism & multiculturalism wouldn't dominate Western ethos (both are Jewish creations and both have always been heavily promoted/advanced by Jews; thus if no Jewish influence, then no liberalism and no multiculturalism... at least certainly nowhere near the degree we see today)

    11 - No Cultural Marxism and no political correctness (these are social engineering "tools" which came out of the Jewish think tank known as the Frankfurt School)

    12 - No third world immigration into Western nations (Jews wouldn't be in power positions to craft and force through liberal immigration laws; Jews are responsible for each and every Western nation's liberal immigration policy/laws, as all were orchestrated by a consortium consisting of the World Jewish Congress, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, and B'nai B'rith)

    13 - No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn't run Hollywood)

    14 - No widespread pornography (Jewish lawyers and Jewish activists were the main challengers of anti-obscenity laws, under the guise of "Freedom of Speech")

    15 - There would still be prayer in public schools (Jewish lawyers were instrumental in banning prayer in public schools under the guise of so-called "separation of church and state," something that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)

    16 - No man-hating radical feminist movement (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)

    17 - No Israel and all the problems it has brought the USA and the immeasurable misery it has wrought on the Palestinians

    18 - Jews would be living in Madagascar (perhaps) and would be carefully monitored (Madagascar was one place Hitler considered as a Jewish homeland)

    Many reading this will ask, "But what about the Holocaust?" The Holocaust has been grossly exaggerated by organized Jewry in order to create sympathy for Jews worldwide and thus help advance the Jewish agenda (i.e., people seen as victims tend to get their way). It is also used as a political weapon to justify Israeli militarism against the Palestinians. Hitler's Final Solution (rebranded in the early 1970's as the "Holocaust") was a plan to remove Jews from Europe, not to kill them. During WWII, just as the U.S. couldn't trust Japanese Americans, thus causing FDR to round many of them up and place them in concentration camps, Hitler couldn't trust Jews since many were partisans sympathetic to the USSR and hence they aided the USSR in various subversive, anti-German activities. Therefore the Nazis rounded up Jews and placed them in concentration camps.

    Somewhere around one million Jews died during WWII (not six million) mostly due to disease and starvation in the final months of the war. Heavy Allied bombing of Germany and parts of German occupied Europe destroyed many roads, rail lines, and bridges making it impossible for Germany to adequately supply the camps with food and medicine. The result is that many Jews died of starvation and disease; and of course many non-Jews also died of starvation and disease (again, due to a massive Allied bombing campaign and its destruction of German transportation infrastructure). Lastly, there were no "gas chambers." Much has been written about this. To study the "gas chamber" subject, read the research papers published by Germar Rudolf & Carlo Mattogno (there are many others as well). To get a broad overview of the Holocaust, read my article, What Was The Holocaust... What Actually Happened?

    It should also be noted that Hitler never wanted to "conquer the world." He simply wanted to safeguard Europe and the greater Western World from all manner of nefarious Jewish influence and, more broadly, safeguard the world-at-large specifically from, 1) usurious Jewish banking and, 2) Jewish-driven cultural degradation.

    As previously stated, the Allied heads-of-State (Roosevelt, Churchill, et al) were puppets of International Jewry; each sold his soul for power and prestige. Again, as earlier stated, World War II was a war between two competing ideologies: Nationalism -vs- Jewish Bolshevik Internationalism/globalism -- unfortunately International Jewry won.

    Was World War II "the good war" as is often claimed? No, it was exactly the opposite. The Allied victory marked the beginning of the end of Western Civilization.

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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  Regular on Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:38 pm

    Do You know that there was ACTUAL fighting against Wermacht and SS who opposed capitulation?
    Are You calling Wermacht soldiers tools and fools?
    You are blaming Jews for everything, so may I ask You how the hell they managed to get control over USSR, USA and allied countries? Are they somehow superior people that can mind control countries? Or maybe they are genetically superior/smarter/better witted than us, European fools? Smile We were burning them on fire for ages.

    Western region for lebensraum, "living space"
    FFS. Look from my perspective as a Lithuanian.
    German bastards wanted to exterminate my people too, they wanted to bring 250 000 Germans to my country and use my people for labour work and slowly exterminate them. FFS, WHERE IS LOGIC IN THAT??? We were not communists, not slavs, but not germanic tribe too. Even older than Germans, Your beloved Aryans came from Baltic lands so by NAZI logic we are more PURE. Hitler must be idiot because if following his German Aryans were half-breed of us. Tell me what You think about that, how come germans are more pure than us?

    You see even Soviet Union on it's worst didn't go for extermination of ethnic group as a whole.

    Germany was crusading us for ages, Livonian crusade ended by Battle of Saule and Teutonic crusade ended by Battle of Grunwald
    German bones are scattered through my country from middle age, WW1, WW2. I see defeat of Nazism good thing, Soviet occupation as a lesser evil.

    2 - No cold war (because there would be no USSR)
    What about USA and left allies? You think there would no Cold war? USA having upper hand in Nuclear weapons and superior navy would definitely try to send Nazi Germany empire to oblivion while they could.

    13 - No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn't run Hollywood)
    How old are You again? All people are the same, we want filth. That's why nazi soldiers were banging inflatable dolls, bordels where full of german officers, and sheesh, there was NAZI PORN TOO, at least underground one. It's Your right what to watch.

    14 - No widespread pornography (Jewish lawyers and Jewish activists were the main challengers of anti-obscenity laws, under the guise of "Freedom of Speech")
    And what is wrong with pornography? It's better that people would choke their stuff watching it then actually go and try to rape a child or animal. Sexual crimes dropped in places where porno was legalised. It's forbidden fruit thing me thinks. First porn magazine I've seen was the West German. I was kid and only remember poking holes in all those tits and throwing magazine away Smile Wasn't traumatised by seeing tits, breast feeding was normal in Soviet Union. Porn - and even sex was non existent Very Happy
    But it only made it more desirable thing.
    15 - There would still be prayer in public schools (Jewish lawyers were instrumental in banning prayer in public schools under the guise of so-called "separation of church and state," something that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)
    What is beneficial in having a prayer? Explain this to atheist like me? It looks thing of the past, archaic nonsense. I pray for myself and don't take chances in trusting invisible man. I believe in myself 100 percent. That is how I learned. Church is based on God. I can only believe in what actually exists. Prove me that there is God and I ask him how to become one myself.

    16 - No man-hating radical feminist movement (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)
    I hate feminism, but it's not global thing. More like thing of western countries.

    there were no "gas chambers.
    Very bold statement to say. Actually out of the world statement. Smile

    You have interesting POV, I'm not gonna prove You wrong or right, I have totally different view on this subject and I see no point arguing.

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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  BTRfan on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:17 pm

    Regular wrote:Do You know that there was ACTUAL fighting against Wermacht and SS who opposed capitulation?
    Are You calling Wermacht soldiers tools and fools?
    You are blaming Jews for everything, so may I ask You how the hell they managed to get control over USSR, USA and allied countries? Are they somehow superior people that can mind control countries? Or maybe they are genetically superior/smarter/better witted than us, European fools? Smile We were burning them on fire for ages.




    Watch Jud Suss and you'll begin to understand how the Jews ingratiate themselves to White nobles/royals/rules through flattery, bribery, trickery, and deceit.


    If you want to watch something that is about the Jews but is not German propaganda, watch the Jewish Hollywood produced movie The House of Rothschild.


    Jews are a very insular community and they shamelessly engage in ethnic networking, they obtain positions of power and then use their power to let other Jews into the organization/company.

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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  Regular on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:44 pm

    BTRfan wrote:
    Regular wrote:Do You know that there was ACTUAL fighting against Wermacht and SS who opposed capitulation?
    Are You calling Wermacht soldiers tools and fools?
    You are blaming Jews for everything, so may I ask You how the hell they managed to get control over USSR, USA and allied countries? Are they somehow superior people that can mind control countries? Or maybe they are genetically superior/smarter/better witted than us, European fools? Smile We were burning them on fire for ages.




    Watch Jud Suss and you'll begin to understand how the Jews ingratiate themselves to White nobles/royals/rules through flattery, bribery, trickery, and deceit.


    If you want to watch something that is about the Jews but is not German propaganda, watch the Jewish Hollywood produced movie The House of Rothschild.


    Jews are a very insular community and they shamelessly engage in ethnic networking, they obtain positions of power and then use their power to let other Jews into the organization/company.
    Thanks. Well probably will watch it today, I have nothing to do this week anyway so I'll try to see Your side of coin, but I'm stubborn as hell so I hardly change my opinion.
    You see, I had some jewish friends. Didn't strike me as rich, empowering people, not extraordinary, like some American Jews want to portray themselves. My Russian teacher was Jewish woman, I really feel bad even now about how kids made fun because of it, their family was very poor, not sure why they never went to Israel.

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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  BTRfan on Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:47 pm

    Regular wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    Regular wrote:Do You know that there was ACTUAL fighting against Wermacht and SS who opposed capitulation?
    Are You calling Wermacht soldiers tools and fools?
    You are blaming Jews for everything, so may I ask You how the hell they managed to get control over USSR, USA and allied countries? Are they somehow superior people that can mind control countries? Or maybe they are genetically superior/smarter/better witted than us, European fools? Smile We were burning them on fire for ages.




    Watch Jud Suss and you'll begin to understand how the Jews ingratiate themselves to White nobles/royals/rules through flattery, bribery, trickery, and deceit.


    If you want to watch something that is about the Jews but is not German propaganda, watch the Jewish Hollywood produced movie The House of Rothschild.


    Jews are a very insular community and they shamelessly engage in ethnic networking, they obtain positions of power and then use their power to let other Jews into the organization/company.
    Thanks. Well probably will watch it today, I have nothing to do this week anyway so I'll try to see Your side of coin, but I'm stubborn as hell so I hardly change my opinion.
    You see, I had some jewish friends. Didn't strike me as rich, empowering people, not extraordinary, like some American Jews want to portray themselves. My Russian teacher was Jewish woman, I really feel bad even now about how kids made fun because of it, their family was very poor, not sure why they never went to Israel.



    http://mk.christogenea.org/houseofrothschildmovie


    http://mk.christogenea.org/content/jud-suss




    Also, it is NSDAP propaganda, but The Eternal Jew is perhaps the best documentary on Jews ever made. I remember when I first saw the video as a young man who had not yet decided on how to settle the Jewish question. After watching the entire documentary I was convinced that the Jewish race must be smashed, whether that means deported in its entirety to Madagascar, stripped of all power and influence throughout the world, or destroyed, I cannot say, but they must not be allowed to work in banking/finance, media, academia, and they must never be allowed to have any role in civic government, but above all, they must forever be prohibited from communicating to the masses via art, cinema, in other words, they must have no impact on mass popular culture.

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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:31 pm

    Adolf Hitler and his allies fought to preserve the concept of Nationalism, not just for Germans but for all peoples the world over.

    Where does this absurd idea come from? France for the French? Austria for the Austrians?... more like all of Europe for Germany and death camps for those that can't work the land or do something useful for their new German overlords.

    Nationalism really just means the sovereignty of an ethnic people and the right of such ethnic people/nationalists - within their own bordered country - to self-determination. What is meant by self-determination? Self-determination just means an ethnic people preserving their unique culture & heritage and pursuing their collective goals as a unique people. This applies to any ethnic peoples: Nigerians, Germans, Swedes, Vietnamese, Mexicans, Tibetans, etc.

    With that border determined by Germany and the US... or are you going to give large areas of the US back to its Mexican owners?

    On the other side of WWII was Jewish (Bolshevik) Internationalism (today we simply call this 'globalism').

    Judiasm and bolshivisim have nothing in common. The Soviet Union was no more a Jewish state as the current US is a Buddist state.

    The Allied powers of WWII (led by Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin, et al) were tools of International Jewry and thus de facto fighting for the Jewish globalist worldview.

    Hilarious considering you suggested the US should have sided with Germany... the aggressor state in the conflict of WWII, that seemed to want to occupy and oppress all the ethnic groups in Europe, because the Jews wanted to take over the world... it was Germany and now the US that wants to control the world and it is other factions that have reacted to such actions yet you blame the wrong side for the aggression...

    Alternatively, if Hitler had won World War II and then exercised a Nationalist 'Sphere of Influence' over the greater Western World, we'd have a more just, fair, and moral Western World today.

    Don't come to a pro Russian website and suggest that if Hitler had won the result would have been more fair for Europe... Hitler would have started by exterminating all the Slavic white people... how would that have effected your equations with percentages of white people left on the planet?

    Of course I am not totally opposed but think the evil Germans that perpetrated the crime of WWII on Europe should have been the ethnic group thinned from existence...

    and strong family oriented culture would likely have spread globally).

    The Nazis were a large group of men who voluntarily wore leather shorts... family culture? Closet homosexuals more like it.

    1 - No USSR (the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign - to study this topic read the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn; Hitler would have liberated the USSR, though taking large parts of its Western region for lebensraum, "living space")

    In less than 5 years the Germans killed rather more Soviets and certainly looked set to continue.

    2 - No cold war (because there would be no USSR)

    The cold war happened because after the destruction of Hitler and his country the Soviets and the west had very little in common.

    The cold war would have happened with Germany too because nazi ideology didn't fit well with western morals and precepts either.

    3 - No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (when WWII ended, Eastern Europe fell to Communism - this was part of Stalin's spoils of war)

    Eastern Europe was slave labour for German own businesses. Stalins buffer zone to protect from the west would have become the sweat shop of Europe where all the fine things Germans needed would be made.

    4 - No Red China and Mao's subsequent killing of 40 - 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao's Communists which ultimately led to Mao's victory over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)

    So your fantasy includes no attack on Pearl Harbour?

    5 - No Communist North Vietnam (both the Soviet Union and Red China aided Ho Chi Minh)

    There would not have been any need... the Vietnam war was not about communism... it was about throwing foreign colonial powers out... if Germany defeated France then the Vietnamese would have been able to overthrow the French forces left... of course they would likely have had to wait a bit longer for the US to liberate them from the Japanese.


    6 - No Communist Cambodia and Pol Pot's slaughter of 2 million Cambodians (Red China aided Pol Pot)

    Pol Pot might have been a teddy bear to a person that got into power instead...


    7 - No dividing Korea into North Korea & South Korea (the allies split Korea after WWII ended, with North Korea becoming Communist... another of Stalin's spoils of war)

    Japanese occupied Korea would have remained Japanese occupied Korea and Japanese occupied China would have remained Japanese occupied China... so millions more killed and subjugated.

    8 - No Communist Cuba (given the previous, what support would Castro have had in the 1950's?)[

    Not Communist... nationalist.

    9 - No Communism anywhere (Hitler was the world's most fervent anti-Communist)

    Hahaha... yeah... Hitler was much more powerful than the United States so of course he would have been able to achieve that... NOT.

    10 - Liberalism & multiculturalism wouldn't dominate Western ethos (both are Jewish creations and both have always been heavily promoted/advanced by Jews; thus if no Jewish influence, then no liberalism and no multiculturalism... at least certainly nowhere near the degree we see today)

    Bull.

    11 - No Cultural Marxism and no political correctness (these are social engineering "tools" which came out of the Jewish think tank known as the Frankfurt School)

    Hahahaha... political correctness is a western invention... haven't you noticed Putin has no concept of political correctness?

    You give the jews far to much credit in terms of influence.

    12 - No third world immigration into Western nations (Jews wouldn't be in power positions to craft and force through liberal immigration laws; Jews are responsible for each and every Western nation's liberal immigration policy/laws, as all were orchestrated by a consortium consisting of the World Jewish Congress, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, and B'nai B'rith)

    Bull. I guess it was the Jews that created the current economic problems too?

    Do they make the sun come up in the morning and go down at night?

    Was that worked out by a think tank, or was it just a rumour they started that snowballed into a natural truth?

    13 - No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn't run Hollywood)

    No depraved filth? Like death camps?

    14 - No widespread pornography (Jewish lawyers and Jewish activists were the main challengers of anti-obscenity laws, under the guise of "Freedom of Speech")

    What is wrong with a bit of porn?

    15 - There would still be prayer in public schools (Jewish lawyers were instrumental in banning prayer in public schools under the guise of so-called "separation of church and state," something that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)

    WTF has religion got to do with schools? Religion has been holding back development and progress for centuries. You want to learn religion... learn it in your own time on your own dollar.

    16 - No man-hating radical feminist movement (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)
    17 - No Israel and all the problems it has brought the USA and the immeasurable misery it has wrought on the Palestinians
    18 - Jews would be living in Madagascar (perhaps) and would be carefully monitored (Madagascar was one place Hitler considered as a Jewish homeland)

    Don't forget no global warming and no hole in the ozone layer... jewish plots to sell more t shirts and sunscreen no doubt.

    You see even Soviet Union on it's worst didn't go for extermination of ethnic group as a whole.

    X2

    There was a reason that the suffering oppressed people of the lands of the Soviet didn't just take up arms and support their new liberators against the hated Georgian Joseph Stalin... and that reason was the way the Germans treated the people in the occupied areas was FAR worse than how Stalin treated them.

    It's Your right what to watch.

    x2 ...as a mature adult I resent your attempt to control what I can or cannot choose to watch to entertain myself.

    Pornography is only obsene in the eye of the beholder or someone that is underage. Calling it all obsene is censorship.

    Church is based on God. I can only believe in what actually exists. Prove me that there is God and I ask him how to become one myself.

    Churches are human constructs and as such are flawed... if there is a god I doubt he would have much to do with any human organised religion.

    Didn't strike me as rich, empowering people, not extraordinary, like some American Jews want to portray themselves. My Russian teacher was Jewish woman, I really feel bad even now about how kids made fun because of it, their family was very poor, not sure why they never went to Israel.

    Not all Jews are zionist jews. Plenty think Israel is a bad idea that just creates bad feelings towards Jews and oppresses the local people. The most radical fire and brimstone jews that want to wipe out all opposition to Israel seem to have American accents though...



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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  BTRfan on Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:29 pm

    Regular wrote:


    How old are You again? All people are the same, we want filth. That's why nazi soldiers were banging inflatable dolls, bordels where full of german officers, and sheesh, there was NAZI PORN TOO, at least underground one. It's Your right what to watch.

    And what is wrong with pornography? It's better that people would choke their stuff watching it then actually go and try to rape a child or animal. Sexual crimes dropped in places where porno was legalised. It's forbidden fruit thing me thinks. First porn magazine I've seen was the West German. I was kid and only remember poking holes in all those tits and throwing magazine away Smile Wasn't traumatised by seeing tits, breast feeding was normal in Soviet Union. Porn - and even sex was non existent Very Happy
    But it only made it more desirable thing.



    Pornography is a form of digital voyeurism and it warps the mind and distorts a person's idea of sex.

    It is abnormal to want to watch other people having sex, if you look somebody's windows to watch them, it is called voyeurism or "peeping tom", but if you go online to watch it suddenly becomes okay? Perhaps from a legal perspective it becomes okay, but psychologically it is still a variation of voyeurism and a form of mental illness.

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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:14 am

    Pornography is a form of digital voyeurism and it warps the mind and distorts a person's idea of sex.

    Digital? Sex is fun and when between consenting responsible adults perfectly healthy and normal.


    It is abnormal to want to watch other people having sex, if you look somebody's windows to watch them, it is called voyeurism or "peeping tom", but if you go online to watch it suddenly becomes okay?

    If your neighbour leaves their curtains open and does it in front of the window then I suspect they want you to watch... it is in their control... if they don't want to be watched then they can close their curtains or just turn off the lights.

    The people who put porn on the internet want it to be seen, so watching it is fine.

    Perhaps from a legal perspective it becomes okay, but psychologically it is still a variation of voyeurism and a form of mental illness.

    Professional sport is based on voyeurism... who in their right mind would watch someone else read a book for entertainment? Sports should be played... not watched... I would prefer to see sports on TV banned than have porn banned... you might learn some new moves with porn, but watching soccer you just learn how to fall to the ground and feign an injury... I guess that might be useful in the US for the purpose of a civil suit or insurance fraud...


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    Re: Soviet POWs in WW2

    Post  BTRfan on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:42 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Pornography is a form of digital voyeurism and it warps the mind and distorts a person's idea of sex.

    Digital? Sex is fun and when between consenting responsible adults perfectly healthy and normal.


    Of course, and I have interest in women and interest in sex, but I have absolutely no interest in watching OTHER PEOPLE having sex.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:14 am

    Of course, and I have interest in women and interest in sex, but I have absolutely no interest in watching OTHER PEOPLE having sex.

    And because it does not interest you it should be banned?



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