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    Israeli Airstrikes in Syria

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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue May 07, 2013 6:23 pm

    gaurav wrote:There is some topic missing in this forum.
    Some syria attack topic where it has gone..??

    t was never confirmed that a Pantsir shot it down, only speculation.

    It was the circumstances of the incident.
    I 'll try to find some link later.

    merged the topics I have
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    Post  nemrod Tue May 07, 2013 7:49 pm

    gaurav wrote:

    t was never confirmed that a Pantsir shot it down, only speculation.

    It was the circumstances of the incident.
    I 'll try to find some link later.


    Iam looking since sunday, but untill now, no informations about a downed aircraft.
    Furthermore, according to this very serious website :
    http://www.neworientnews.com/news/fullnews.php?news_id=98386

    at least 40 fighters-bombers participated in this attack.
    In fact what it is amazing, how the syrian air defense did not anticipate, how the air defense was so blind ?
    Someone has an explanation ? Is An awacs be essential to prevent such bad surprise ?
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    Post  GarryB Tue May 07, 2013 11:11 pm

    It is the eternal problem of the air defence network... if you have your radars off, you cant see, if you have them on... even briefly, then the enemy knows where your fixed radars are and can plan attacks to bypass some and jam or destroy/disable them during an attack.

    The real secrets is mobile radars with intermittent use where you might catch an attack early enough to prevent it.

    (Note AWACS offers highly mobile radar, but is vulnerable to direct action itself... when the enemy has a strong air force. Besides such an aircraft could be a fairly easy target for rebels.)
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    Post  Viktor Wed May 08, 2013 12:06 am

    nemrod wrote:
    Iam looking since sunday, but untill now, no informations about a downed aircraft.
    Furthermore, according to this very serious website :
    http://www.neworientnews.com/news/fullnews.php?news_id=98386

    at least 40 fighters-bombers participated in this attack.
    In fact what it is amazing, how the syrian air defense did not anticipate, how the air defense was so blind ?
    Someone has an explanation ? Is An awacs be essential to prevent such bad surprise ?

    Problem is we really dont know what happened there. Israel could have launched missiles from well outside Syrian airspace.

    Still no one knows for sure. No word from Israel military nor Syria military or USA or Russia but media is speculating about

    all the different stories. They are tapping in the dark.

    I would be pretty disappointed in Syrian air defense if all 40 Israel fighters entered Syrian airspace and non where shoot down.

    Still we dont know in what state is Syrian air defense and radar stations. There are serious fighting over there and terrorist are

    holding much of the territory and we all heard about how much they love to pay special attention to destroying PVO and radar sites.

    AWACS would be huge help but is not necessary. Ground radar stations can do the job just as well.



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    Post  gaurav Sat May 11, 2013 2:44 pm


    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will visit Russia to
    discuss the supplying of Russian weapons to Syria, a high-ranking source in Jerusalem told RIA Novosti on Saturday.

    I think that air attack did take part with almost 2 squadrons IAF..
    But Israeli IAF have definitely GOT A TASTE OF Syrian Medicine.

    Some sort of response was delivered "real-time" when Israel took Syria attack route.
    But it was a botched attaempt.

    Israeli have history of injecting virus and false decoys in Syria radar network.

    And then raining down PGM on syrian facilities.

    I thought every day tons of F-16 BLK 60 would be on a tourism in Syria but actually what we find they are
    snucking from mountains (North of damascus)

    their pilots are "scared shit " and then their leaders doing a visit to Kremlin on this weekend.. lets say ha ha Cool
    All those who are triumphant about syria air defence been a NUT (impotent) are absolutely off the mark. Cool


    By the way one of the reasons F-16 went undetected.. Report by SAA


    Israeli fighter jets targeted a military research center near Damascus early on Wednesday morning, the Syrian army said. The statement follows earlier reports of an Israeli airstrike on a convoy with Syrian weapons heading to Lebanon.

    The Syrian army’s general command has issued a statement, saying an airstrike was launched by the IAF targeting a military research center in Jamraya, rural Damascus.

    “Israeli fighter jets violated our air space at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research center in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defense,” the army statement said as cited by SANA.

    The strike caused material damage to the center and a nearby building, killing two workers and wounding five others, the statement added. The Israeli warplanes were flying low under the radars and “snuck in from the north of Al-Sheikh Mountain” according to the report. It called the strike a “blatant act of aggression” against Syria and accused Israel of supporting terrorist activity in the country.
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    Post  nemrod Sat May 11, 2013 8:42 pm

    To gaurav.
    The explanation from officials are dubious.
    No one knows the truth, neither me, neither you, Lebanon, even Israel has no knowledges of the results of this attacks.
    Furthermore, Syria -as lebanese sources- claimed that from 400 dead soldiers we are now at only few soldiers killed. The great hype about the so-called target against russian missiles delivered, finally, Syria would claimed that most of the objectives were missed. Most of the target would missed. This is what Syria claimed.
    In fact we are in war reports, and for us it will be impossible to know the truth.
    It is possible that some Syrian air defense could be obsolets, especiallly their SA-10, as Syria is intending to buy new S-300.
    About this claims

    The Israeli warplanes were flying low under the radars and
    “snuck in from the north of Al-Sheikh Mountain” according to the report.

    If you see the configuration of the ground between Jerusalem, and Damascus is 217 km, and Tel Aviv- Damascus 214 km. Distance seems to be very very short. It should be dubious too, if Syrian army did not have a radar in the Mountain. Iam not military, those who know could tell us. However, without to be a specialist, it should be logical to set your radar on mountain.
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    Post  gaurav Sun May 12, 2013 8:01 am

    SAA will never issue any statement.

    If they issue then it has to be within realistic scenario.

    MEN IN CHARGE -> SAA. This is the message that goes "after" this attack.
    Israel has achieved nothing with 25% of IAF dedicated for this attack.


    The attack with 40 (may be evn 10 )aircrafts was serious.

    That statement was issued from the previous attack. This attack no media reports from SAA. They are keeping quite (busy in GUERILLA warfare in Dmascus, Aleppo etc)



    OF course they are hiding their radars.To install them on mountains it would be disaster.I also don't know what really happened.
    But I think IAF is on the back foot because lot of countermeasures are been put including close air protection of BUk and pantsyir installations, Stepping up of Russian naval intel, SVR , Iranian precision missiles..

    IAF pilots are shit scared even though not a single Russian system in now online ON OUTSKIRTS OF Damascus.They are "hidden' whatever you can call them for some reasons.

    One of the reasons that SAA has not issued any statement because lot of "parties" are now involved.

    The series of politicizing taking place "quite serious" IAF is shit scared to their stomachs, why would Israel go knocking
    on Kremlin's door.

    Yeah for these kind of incidents a separate thread is necessary.


    edited your text and will make separate thread - RP

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    Post  nemrod Thu May 16, 2013 8:40 pm

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20130516.aspx

    I don't endorse this point of view, however it is usefull to understand why the Israeli raid seems to be successfull-?-, as you can see, untill now, no images, no proofs about a so-called success.

    What they did not say, the terrorists rats gangs that are in Syria for two years, are there, at first to make the mess as attrition war, secondly, as fifth column in order to provide Israel usefull informations, and sabotage operations.
    It is well known that between 5%-15% of the population suppport these filthy terrorists rats, among this hostil population you can find officers, and under officers, knowing very well the weak point of Syrian air defense.

    Moreover, a few weeks ago-before I registered in this forum-, I read that terrorists rats blew a state of the art radar station-provided by russians-, near Damascus, paving the way to Israel attacks. I don't know if this was terrorists rats themselves that destroyed this radar -there are chechens extremists too among them-, or western servives as SAS, green berets, turkish commandos, or israelis commandos. In fact the only way to disable S-300 is by commandos.

    As long as the syrian army won't exterminate these filthy terrorists rats -the same bastards that kills inoncent people in New York, Algiers, Baly, Beslan, Boudienowsk, Moscow theater, Madrid, Bagdad, Najaf, Kerbala, Tombuctu, Aden, London, etc...- Israel could quietly bomb Syria.
    Furthermore, just after the raid, immedialty the terrorists rats attacks with coordinatiion the outskirts of syrian capital, in order to penetrate in Damascus, but they were pushed back by syrian army. It proves that Israel protect these terrorists rats.

    This is my explanation about the Israelis successfull operations.
    If someone has another explanation...



    http://www.debka.com/article/22566/

    Part of israeli website Debka's article

    DEBKAfile Exclusive Report November 26, 2012, 9:05 PM

    Syrian rebels captured Marj al-Sultan military base in a resounding blow to the combat capabilities of Bashar Assad’s army against external enemies, Syrian rebels destroyed their most important electronic warning radar station facing Israel – M-1 – Monday, Nov. 26, debkafile reports exclusively from its military sources.

    This Russian-built station monitored Israeli warplanes' takeoff and landing activities at air bases in the Negev and Hatzerim in the south and tracked them up to the Syrian border. The facility was designed to guide Syrian missiles targeting any point on the Israeli map, in sync with air defense facilities south of Damascus and on the Golan Heights.

    The radar’s range also covered naval movements in Mediterranean waters off the shores of Israel and Lebanon....

    ....It has therefore crippled, though not completely dismantled, Bashar Assad’s ability to got to war against Israel, Jordan or Saudi Arabia.
    M-1 radar also swept all parts of Jordan and northern Saudi Arabia where the important Tabuk air base is situated. Deployed there in addition to the Saudi Air Force are French fighter-bombers ready to go to war against Syria.
    M-1 also relayed current data on Israeli military movements to Hizballah and would have been a vital source of intelligence in a potential Lebanese Shiites offensive against the Jewish state.

    The Syrian ruler and his spokesmen have frequently threatened since the eruption of the popular insurrection that if Assad had his back to the wall, the entire Middle East would go up in flames, especially Israel.....

    .... the Assad regime still retains two key radar stations: M-2 in Shanshar south of Homs, which covers central and northern Syria; and M-3 near Latakia which keeps an eye on the northern region up to the Turkish border and the eastern Mediterranean up to Cyprus.

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 16, 2013 11:13 pm

    Not really that much of a surprise... rockets are regularly fired into Israel and kill people, so you could say uber state of the art US and Israeli tech fails to protect Israel...
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    Post  Zivo Fri May 17, 2013 9:15 pm

    In 2007, Israel simply circumnavigated Syrian air defense hotspots. No planes were shot down, because no planes were in range of AD assets.

    The recent attack most likely employed long range munitions launched from OUTSIDE syrian airspace. Aside from a pantsir being deployed near the target zone and intercepting the incoming round, there was nothing the Syrian army could do that wouldn't have been diplomatic suicide. Especially considering NATO will try or say almost anything to intervene to help the collapsing rebel front.

    "Russian Tech" hasn't failed to protect Syria.

    Remember, Syrian air defense is designed around total war between Israel and Syria. It concentrates assets to protect key strategic locations, and prevent Israeli's from gaining uninhibited air superiority and bombing SAA ground forces into oblivion. Nothing more, nothing less.
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    Post  Regular Tue May 21, 2013 11:59 am

    Syrians failed to protect Syria. From thelselves. From foreign islamsits. From Israel air attack.
    There is a good Russian saying - A bad dancer blames his balls
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    Post  nemrod Wed May 22, 2013 8:32 pm

    Zivo wrote:In 2007, Israel simply circumnavigated Syrian air defense hotspots. No planes were shot down, because no planes were in range of AD assets.

    The recent attack most likely employed long range munitions launched from OUTSIDE syrian airspace.

    Do you mean this kind of raid is efficient ?



    Zivo wrote:
    .... there was nothing the Syrian army could do that wouldn't have been diplomatic suicide. Especially considering NATO will try or say almost anything to intervene to help the collapsing rebel front.
    I agree with you, of course Syria is caught between Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey. US politics -not US Army- wished to go to war. The worst warmongers are always the most corwards, behind desks.



    Zivo wrote:
    "Russian Tech" hasn't failed to protect Syria.

    I also agree with you, I tried to explain the relative success of Israeli raids by the facts that a radar was destroyed 7 months ago, paving the way to Israel attacks. As Syria had not radar to detect intrusive aircrafts, Air defence became blind, then it is hard to guess from where the threats will come. If it come.
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    Post  Zivo Thu May 23, 2013 8:11 pm

    Do you mean this kind of raid is efficient ?

    How would you prevent it? Shoot down an Israeli aircraft in Lebanese airspace?

    The only reason these raids are "efficient" is because Israel's diplomacy is nil and the international community has failed to stop it. The Syrian government is walking on egg shells right now, they last thing they need are the terrorists to have their own air force.
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    Post  gaurav Sat May 25, 2013 7:47 am

    The information coming out is very less.We dont know what exactly Russia is sending to
    Syria.
    Russia sends advanced missiles syria


    U.S criticize Russia missile supply
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    Post  SOC Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:28 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    Do you mean this kind of raid is efficient ?

    How would you prevent it? Shoot down an Israeli aircraft in Lebanese airspace?

    Why else do you think Israel was blowing up Syrian Buk-M2Es? The whole "but they were gonna give them to Hezbollah" is a complete pack of nonsense. Just because a system can exploit a high degree of automation doesn't mean it can be crewed by untrained people from the streetcorner. Those things were going to the border where there are a ton of Kub batteries, and then they might have planned to sneak them across and make a really surprising SAM trap. Either way putting them along the border would've given them a significant boost in capability in the area, and increased their reach into Lebanese and Israeli airspace with systems that are actually credible threats.
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    Post  Zivo Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:25 pm

    Why else do you think Israel was blowing up Syrian Buk-M2Es?

    We don't know what Israel actually hit.
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    Post  SOC Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:27 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    Why else do you think Israel was blowing up Syrian Buk-M2Es?

    We don't know what Israel actually hit.

    Absolutely true. I'm just going with what they said they were blowing up and why.
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    Post  nemrod Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:33 am

    When I heard few days ago that an israeli F-16I damaged on the sea, and their crew was safe...humm, I felt a very well known smell, odor of propagada..
    In this crisis era, it is strange the suddenly unknown numbers of western accidents: turkish F-4 Phantom II, turkish F-16, and now at least one israeli F-16.

    US won't dare to attack Syria presently.




    http://www.veteranstoday.com/

    Veteran.com wrote:
    When Israel next calls the Pentagon, yarmulke in hand, egg on their face, their tone will be more restrained.

    By Mike Chester for the online news magazine Veterans Today

    Israel announced on July 8 that one of their F-16s suffered a mechanical failure off the coast of Gaza. A military spokesman for the IAF said both pilots were recovered. The plane is said to have crashed into the Mediterranean Sea.

    Almost no part of this story is true, Israel did lose an F-16. They are unable to hide the fact that one of their first line aircraft is no longer in “inventory.”

    Did Israel, as multiple reports now indicate, really lose an F-16 and its crew of two to a Syrian S-300 missile 48 hours before the claimed incident and over 400 miles from the claimed location?

    On May 4, 2013, the Syrian Navy sunk an Israeli Dolphin submarine. Israel, unwilling to accept the public humiliation of such a loss: a disaster of such a proportion to its citizens has been repainting hull numbers and shuffling crew rosters on its remaining submarines for two months.

    Lost aircraft, especially during an offensive operation, are routinely never disclosed to the public for a variety of reason. Informed sources have disclosed that the F-16 training accident reported off the coast of Gaza was cover for their plane lost in the Syrian warehouse attack which is claimed was targeted as an S-300 component part base.

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    Post  Viktor Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:33 am

    Well, another speculation which might be true and might not be true, still. ....

    13.07.13 ISRAEL LAUNCHED A MISSILE STRIKE ON A WAREHOUSE "YAKHONT" IN SYRIA

    and as a consequence as @nemrod said

    Israeli F16 crashes into sea
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    Post  gaurav Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:17 pm

    On May 4, 2013, the Syrian Navy sunk an Israeli Dolphin submarine.


    If the Israeli Navy lost a submarine.. then it is a slap on the face of NATO naval hardware.

    NATO will not dare not attack Syria from the sea.
    Israel lost a submarine .. mannn there is just one word for that..

    AWESOME ..! annd nothing else..
    This is unprecedented in Israel -Syria wars ..

    About the f-16I incident I think it is the 2nd or 3rd Israeli jet to be shot down..

    and  2nd jet to be drowned in sea.. what a surprise.. lot of jets falling in sea..
    none on the ground..
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    Post  Russian Patriot Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:09 pm




    Video about Yakhont attack
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    Post  gaurav Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:57 pm

    Israeli- German submarine launched a missile reponsible for the Syria Naval base attack.

    It is becoming too much.. Israeli knew that pantsyir are covering the naval depots so they
    did not sent jets but a sub..



    According to the report, the Israeli fleet of German-built submarines launched a cruise missile at the weapons cache
    after which Syrian rebels reportedly attested to hearing early-morning explosions at a Syrian port-side naval barracks.

    On Friday, anonymous US officials told CNN that Israel had carried out an air strike on the Syrian city.

    Three unnamed US officials told CNN the IAF had targeted Russian-made Yakhont anti-ship missiles tha

    Israel getting desperate

    This submarine lauched missile are duds just like any other french -german cruise missile.
    The rebels heard a sing le exlosion , so hence nothing much.

    I dont think any damage could have done.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:13 pm

    gaurav wrote:Israeli- German submarine launched a missile reponsible for the Syria Naval base attack.

    It is becoming too much.. Israeli knew that pantsyir are covering the naval depots so they
    did not sent jets but a sub..



    According to the report, the Israeli fleet of German-built submarines launched a cruise missile at the weapons cache
    after which Syrian rebels reportedly attested to hearing early-morning explosions at a Syrian port-side naval barracks.

    On Friday, anonymous US officials told CNN that Israel had carried out an air strike on the Syrian city.

    Three unnamed US officials told CNN the IAF had targeted Russian-made Yakhont anti-ship missiles tha

    Israel getting desperate
    If the pantsirs were there i doubt they would use cruise missiles, perhaps torpedoes depending where the missiles where??Neutral 

    This submarine lauched missile are duds just like any other french -german cruise missile.
    The rebels heard a sing le exlosion , so hence nothing much.

    I dont think any damage could have done.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:15 pm

    gaurav wrote:Israeli- German submarine launched a missile reponsible for the Syria Naval base attack.

    It is becoming too much.. Israeli knew that pantsyir are covering the naval depots so they
    did not sent jets but a sub..



    According to the report, the Israeli fleet of German-built submarines launched a cruise missile at the weapons cache
    after which Syrian rebels reportedly attested to hearing early-morning explosions at a Syrian port-side naval barracks.

    On Friday, anonymous US officials told CNN that Israel had carried out an air strike on the Syrian city.

    Three unnamed US officials told CNN the IAF had targeted Russian-made Yakhont anti-ship missiles tha

    Israel getting desperate

    This submarine lauched missile are duds just like any other french -german cruise missile.
    The rebels heard a sing le exlosion , so hence nothing much.

    I dont think any damage could have done.
    If the pantsirs were there i doubt they would use cruise missiles, perhaps torpedoes depending where the missile were??Neutral 
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    Post  gaurav Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:36 pm

    If the pantsirs were there i doubt they would use cruise missiles, perhaps torpedoes depending where the missile were??

    Well dont know what really happened , it is another of the usual cases, when Israeli military cant do anything..
    except provoking.. nothing else..

    Suddenly Israel acquired Iranian Hormuz strait terror tactics..Very Happy .. The tactics which Iran would have used in 2000.. Israel is using
    against Syria in 2013..ha ha ha..I mean firing missiles in the night quietly from banana boats.. at sea..
    what the heck..

    Pantsyir  batteires or even stand alone systems are getting an unmatched and unbeatable advertisement all over the world..
    The whole Israeli  military hardware is now engaged in taking care of Pantsyir deployed positions ..Razz Razz 



    Early reports conflict: Some say the attack was carried out by foreign aircraft, while others say it was by missiles fired from boats.

    Al-Qaida was responsible for the massive arms depot explosion in Latakia over the weekend, a Syrian official said on Sunday.
    Syria denied Israel’s role in the incident after Arab media outlets reported conflicting stories on the cause of the blast.

    “The attack in Latakia was not carried out from the air or the sea, but by a terrorist group aligned with al-Qaida,”
    a senior Syrian official told Syrian state media. “The group fired missiles of European design that caused large fires in the bases.”

    Some Arab outlets reported that foreign aircraft had bombed the site and others that it was destroyed by missiles
    fired from boats. The reports estimated that 10 to 20 Syrian soldiers were killed in the strike.

    While mystery just keeps going on..Smile 

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