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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  Zivo on Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:24 am

    max steel wrote:Do Kornets really have a range of 10 km?

    IIRC, only the thermobaric version. The HEAT variant is like 8.



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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:18 am

    There's a persistent rumour that Russia has gotten hold of a batch of Spike MR. Last Winter.

    My Iz friends are insisting its through official channel.
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:11 pm

    I doubt it. There is too much of a push on localized everything, there wouldn't be room for it. They pretty much stopped all imports of foreign military equipment, even subcomponents.

    It would have had to be from before or early 2014.
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:44 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I doubt it. There is too much of a push on localized everything, there wouldn't be room for it. They pretty much stopped all imports of foreign military equipment, even subcomponents.

    It would have had to be from before or early 2014.

    It's not an import, it's a "gift"...part of the Washington paranoïa package. This pushed Washington to make Sure Israel doesn't sell anything to Russia.

    Also the Chinese have already benefitted from Israeli gifts to make their own HJ-12. Which is a Chinese mix between Javelin and Spike SR.



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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:49 pm

    I see. Guess if they did get it, may get the knowhow from it when developing hermes.
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:57 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I doubt it. There is too much of a push on localized everything, there wouldn't be room for it. They pretty much stopped all imports of foreign military equipment, even subcomponents.

    It would have had to be from before or early 2014.

    It's not an import, it's a "gift"...part of the Washington paranoïa package. This pushed Washington to make Sure Israel doesn't sell anything to Russia.

    Also the Chinese have already benefitted from Israeli gifts to make their own HJ-12. Which is a Chinese mix between Javelin and Spike SR.




    Russia's been there done that. Back in the 90's they had a program to produce a top attack ATGM, and it didn't get any where, probably because they're gimmicky and easily defeated by PPS.

    As far Israeli gifts to China, there's a reason why China has been successful in military industrial espionage, largely because naive limp-wristed U.S. based neo-cons leave the 'backdoor' open (interpret it how you want to) for Israeli's, the rise of China's MIC is largely because of Russian and Israeli ToT....oh sweet poetic justice... lol1
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:06 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I see. Guess if they did get it, may get the knowhow from it when developing hermes.

    Hermes is already on par with the heavy Tamuz. So there's nothing to "learn" from Spike MR regarding Hermes. The biggest thing might be the miniaturization of visual control units, although it isn't more complicated than a drone.

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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:29 pm

    Turkish tank survives Kornet missile strike

    http://www.janes.com/article/59682/turkish-tank-survives-kornet-missile-strike
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:35 pm

    Took a while for the propaganda to appear. It only survived due to a piss poor shot and more or less miss.
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  Militarov on Fri May 13, 2016 11:54 pm



    What Jordanians presented as Kornet ATGM launcher on wheeled platform
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  Book. on Sun May 15, 2016 10:03 am

    B05S011 guided weapon system: Berezhok for BMP-2M ICV fighting compartment



    Purpose:
    Intended to destroy stationary and moving fielded and future main battle tanks, other armoured (IFVs, APCs) and small-size (like pillboxes and bunkers) targets, fortified assets, manpower under cover and in the open as well as aerial low-level targets flying at speeds of up 400 km/h in the day- and night-time and surface small-displacement vessels.
    The B05S011 guided weapon system (GWS) is designed for installation in turrets and fighting compartments of various combat vehicles (e.g., BMP-2M ICV (coded name Berezhok), BTR-90 APC (coded name Rostok)), tractors and other military trucks and vehicles including those of foreign origin.

    Components:
    The GWS is composed of system equipment, combat equipment, maintenance facilities, training aids and equipment:
    - B05S011.01.000 launcher;
    - VIAM.461112.001 ground-based control equipment;
    - 9M120-1 antitank guided missile;
    - 9M120-1F guided missile;
    - 9M120-1F-1 guided missile;
    - 9M120-1 PRAKT practice guided missile;
    - Group SPTA kits for GWS components;
    - 9M120 MAKET training dummy;
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    - 199.PK.200 gauge.




    9K123-1 Khrizantema-S all-weather antitank missile system with 9M123 and 9M123F missiles[/b



    Purpose:
    Designed to destroy current and future main battle tanks, including those protected with explosive reactive armour (ERA), small-displacement surface vessels, low-flying aerial targets, field fortifications, manpower under cover and in the open round the clock, in benign and adverse weather, with dust and smoke obscurants on the battlefield.

    Components:
    - 9P157-2 combat vehicle (CV) (699-sb2 chassis based on BMP-3 assemblies and units);
    - 9P157-3 platoon commander's CV (699-sb2 chassis based on BMP-3 assemblies and units);
    - 9P157-4 battery commander's CV (BMP-3 chassis);
    - 9M123 antitank guided missile;
    - 9M123F antitank guided missile;
    - 9V945-1 mobile test station (for CV checks);
    - 9V990-1 mobile test station (for missile checks);
    - 9V946-1 test equipment for ammunition depots;
    - SPTA kits (individual, group, and repair);
    - 9F852 trainer;
    - 9M123Prakt practice guided missile;
    - 9M123Maket training missile;
    - 9M123Uchebn. training missile with working onboard equipment;
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    - 9M123FRazr. cut-away training missile;
    - 9F734 training target;
    - set of instructional charts.



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    a few questions

    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:26 am

    hi just a few questions if anyone can answer them:

    1) how many does Russia have in service approx or even if anyone knows rough ratio on the following

    AT-4,
    AT-5,
    AT-7,
    AT-13,
    AT-14,

    2) What ATGW do the Russian airborne forces use?

    3) i presume AT-2, AT-3, and SPG-9 are now out of service? i did hear that some upgraded AT-3 were still in service.

    4) how many 9P157-2 Khrizantema-S tank destroyer(BMP-3) are in Russian service?

    5) Which platforms do Russia currently use for AT-6, i.e MT-LB, Mi-24 etc.



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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:31 am

    Not sure about what is in active service now, or numbers but the AT-7 and its upgrade AT-13 were specifically designed to replace old model ATGMs like AT-3.

    They were very low cost short range systems.


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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:22 pm

    The portable system of choice for footmobile is the Metis-M1. It's the lightest ATGM in inventory currently.
    Konkurs/Fagot systems are normally always going with the BMP's/BMD's/Trucks. Faktoria launchers complement the mounted systems.
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    Russia will develop a new generation of anti-tank missile using fire-and-forget technology.

    Post  Benya on Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:16 pm

    Russia will develop a new generation of anti-tank missile using fire-and-forget technology.

    According Major General Mikhail Matveyevsky, commander of the Russian Missile and Artillery Troops, Russia will develop a new next-generation advanced self-propelled anti-tank missile system operating on the ‘fire-and-forget’ principle.


    Khrizantema-S anti-tank missile AT-15 Springer carrier armoured vehicle based on BMP-3 IFV chassis

    Fire-and-forget is a type of missile guidance which does not require further guidance after launch such as illumination of the target or wire guidance, and can hit its target without the launcher being in line-of-sight of the target.

    There’s no need to maintain a target lock after the missile has been fired, so the launcher can focus its attention on other enemies or withdraw into cover.

    According to Maj. Gen. Matveyevsky, new anti-tank missile systems’ development focuses on improving the missiles’ efficiency, yield and resistance to enemy countermeasures, and further automation of the anti-tank units’ control.

    Currently, the Russian armed forces use the Khrizantema-S and Shturm-S self-propelled anti-tank missile systems. These weapons are capable of engaging and destroying virtually all types of tanks and armored vehicles, and even helicopters; and their radar and laser guidance systems allow them to operate both during day and night, under any weather conditions.

    The Khrizantema-S BMP-3 (Russian name 9P157-2) based tank destroyer has been developed under the leadership of the KBM Engineering Design Bureau in Moscow and was announced for the first time in 1996

    The hull roof has been modified and, mounted on the hull roof, between the second and third road wheels, is an elevated arm which carries two Khrizantema (NATO code AT-15) anti-tank guided missile system in the ready to launch position. Missiles are re-loaded automatically by the tank destroyer from an internal magazine with 15 rounds and can also accept munitions manually loaded from outside the vehicle.

    The 9M123 (NATO code AT-15 Springer) missile itself is supersonic, flying at an average speed of 400 m/s or Mach 1.2 and a range of between 400 and 6,000 meters.


    Shturm-S anti-tank missile AT-6 Spiral carrier armoured vehicle based on MT-LB tracked chassis

    The Shturm-S (NATO code AT-6 Spiral) is a Soviet-made anti-tank missile carrier using MT-LB tracked armoured chassis. It was developed in the mid 1970s and entered service with the Soviet Army in 1979.

    The Shturm-S firing unit launches the 9M114 anti-tank guided missile which can be used against static and moving targets from 400 to 5,000 m.

    Latest generation of AT-6 missile, the 9M114M1 (AT-6B) and 9M114M2 (AT-6C) are fitted with tandem HEAT warhead which can penetrated 800 mm of explosive reactive armor. This missiles also have a range of 6 and 7 km respectively.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/november_2016_global_defense_security_news_industry/russia_will_develop_a_new_generation_of_anti-tank_missile_using_fire-and-forget_technology_12111162.html

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