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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  Militarov on Fri May 13, 2016 11:54 pm



    What Jordanians presented as Kornet ATGM launcher on wheeled platform
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  Book. on Sun May 15, 2016 10:03 am

    B05S011 guided weapon system: Berezhok for BMP-2M ICV fighting compartment



    Purpose:
    Intended to destroy stationary and moving fielded and future main battle tanks, other armoured (IFVs, APCs) and small-size (like pillboxes and bunkers) targets, fortified assets, manpower under cover and in the open as well as aerial low-level targets flying at speeds of up 400 km/h in the day- and night-time and surface small-displacement vessels.
    The B05S011 guided weapon system (GWS) is designed for installation in turrets and fighting compartments of various combat vehicles (e.g., BMP-2M ICV (coded name Berezhok), BTR-90 APC (coded name Rostok)), tractors and other military trucks and vehicles including those of foreign origin.

    Components:
    The GWS is composed of system equipment, combat equipment, maintenance facilities, training aids and equipment:
    - B05S011.01.000 launcher;
    - VIAM.461112.001 ground-based control equipment;
    - 9M120-1 antitank guided missile;
    - 9M120-1F guided missile;
    - 9M120-1F-1 guided missile;
    - 9M120-1 PRAKT practice guided missile;
    - Group SPTA kits for GWS components;
    - 9M120 MAKET training dummy;
    - 242-EDM.000 electrical, weight and size, data recording dummy;
    - 199.PK.200 gauge.




    9K123-1 Khrizantema-S all-weather antitank missile system with 9M123 and 9M123F missiles[/b



    Purpose:
    Designed to destroy current and future main battle tanks, including those protected with explosive reactive armour (ERA), small-displacement surface vessels, low-flying aerial targets, field fortifications, manpower under cover and in the open round the clock, in benign and adverse weather, with dust and smoke obscurants on the battlefield.

    Components:
    - 9P157-2 combat vehicle (CV) (699-sb2 chassis based on BMP-3 assemblies and units);
    - 9P157-3 platoon commander's CV (699-sb2 chassis based on BMP-3 assemblies and units);
    - 9P157-4 battery commander's CV (BMP-3 chassis);
    - 9M123 antitank guided missile;
    - 9M123F antitank guided missile;
    - 9V945-1 mobile test station (for CV checks);
    - 9V990-1 mobile test station (for missile checks);
    - 9V946-1 test equipment for ammunition depots;
    - SPTA kits (individual, group, and repair);
    - 9F852 trainer;
    - 9M123Prakt practice guided missile;
    - 9M123Maket training missile;
    - 9M123Uchebn. training missile with working onboard equipment;
    - 9M123Razr. cut-away training missile;
    - 9M123FRazr. cut-away training missile;
    - 9F734 training target;
    - set of instructional charts.



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    a few questions

    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:26 am

    hi just a few questions if anyone can answer them:

    1) how many does Russia have in service approx or even if anyone knows rough ratio on the following

    AT-4,
    AT-5,
    AT-7,
    AT-13,
    AT-14,

    2) What ATGW do the Russian airborne forces use?

    3) i presume AT-2, AT-3, and SPG-9 are now out of service? i did hear that some upgraded AT-3 were still in service.

    4) how many 9P157-2 Khrizantema-S tank destroyer(BMP-3) are in Russian service?

    5) Which platforms do Russia currently use for AT-6, i.e MT-LB, Mi-24 etc.



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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:31 am

    Not sure about what is in active service now, or numbers but the AT-7 and its upgrade AT-13 were specifically designed to replace old model ATGMs like AT-3.

    They were very low cost short range systems.


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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:22 pm

    The portable system of choice for footmobile is the Metis-M1. It's the lightest ATGM in inventory currently.
    Konkurs/Fagot systems are normally always going with the BMP's/BMD's/Trucks. Faktoria launchers complement the mounted systems.
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:00 pm

    Russia to design new-generation tank killers — Defense Ministry

    Russia currently has the Khrizantema-S and Shturm-SM antitank missile systems in service

    MOSCOW, November 19. /TASS/. Russia plans to design a new-generation tank destroyer, chief of missile forces and artillery of the Russian Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Mikhail Matveyevsky said on Friday.

    "We already plan the development of a new-generation self-propelled antitank missile system of a new generation, that follows the principle of ‘shot-forgot-hit’," Matveyevsky said.

    Russia currently has the Khrizantema-S and Shturm-SM antitank missile systems in service. They are intended to destroy moving and stationary air and ground targets, including main battle tanks, small surface ships, low-flying air targets and fortifications.


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    http://tass.com/defense/913218


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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:47 am

    Wonder if this means Hermes, or something new but smaller than Hermes.

    Interesting they want a fire and forget missile... I guess Thermal imaging and MMW radar technology has likely moved to the point where it would be cheap enough to fit to every missile and still allowing mass production...


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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:Wonder if this means Hermes, or something new but smaller than Hermes.

    Interesting they want a fire and forget missile... I guess Thermal imaging and MMW radar technology has likely moved to the point where it would be cheap enough to fit to every missile and still allowing mass production...

    My educated guess is th swill be light one something like Javelin. So a foot soldier can carry it if needed.
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    Russia to design new-generation tank killers — Defense Ministry

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:00 am

    My educated guess is th swill be light one something like Javelin. So a foot soldier can carry it if needed.

    There was talk of a medium missile between long range Kornet-EM (8.5km AT and 10km HE) and short range highly portable Metis-M1 (2km) that would use fire and forget guidance, but the article mentions the Krisantema and shturm... which are both heavy vehicle or aircraft carried weapons.

    Perhaps they might have a new design weapon in a large and small missile design... one portable and perhaps top attack, and a heavier longer range missile with fire and forget and perhaps also top attack to replace the Krisantema and Ataka and Shturm (carried by Hind, Havok, Hokum, Hip, and other helos and also ground based ATGM vehicles based on the MTLB chassis).

    Will be interesting if they can make them cheap enough to actually use in the huge numbers they currently deploy them in.


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    Russia will develop a new generation of anti-tank missile using fire-and-forget technology.

    Post  Benya on Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:16 pm

    Russia will develop a new generation of anti-tank missile using fire-and-forget technology.

    According Major General Mikhail Matveyevsky, commander of the Russian Missile and Artillery Troops, Russia will develop a new next-generation advanced self-propelled anti-tank missile system operating on the ‘fire-and-forget’ principle.


    Khrizantema-S anti-tank missile AT-15 Springer carrier armoured vehicle based on BMP-3 IFV chassis

    Fire-and-forget is a type of missile guidance which does not require further guidance after launch such as illumination of the target or wire guidance, and can hit its target without the launcher being in line-of-sight of the target.

    There’s no need to maintain a target lock after the missile has been fired, so the launcher can focus its attention on other enemies or withdraw into cover.

    According to Maj. Gen. Matveyevsky, new anti-tank missile systems’ development focuses on improving the missiles’ efficiency, yield and resistance to enemy countermeasures, and further automation of the anti-tank units’ control.

    Currently, the Russian armed forces use the Khrizantema-S and Shturm-S self-propelled anti-tank missile systems. These weapons are capable of engaging and destroying virtually all types of tanks and armored vehicles, and even helicopters; and their radar and laser guidance systems allow them to operate both during day and night, under any weather conditions.

    The Khrizantema-S BMP-3 (Russian name 9P157-2) based tank destroyer has been developed under the leadership of the KBM Engineering Design Bureau in Moscow and was announced for the first time in 1996

    The hull roof has been modified and, mounted on the hull roof, between the second and third road wheels, is an elevated arm which carries two Khrizantema (NATO code AT-15) anti-tank guided missile system in the ready to launch position. Missiles are re-loaded automatically by the tank destroyer from an internal magazine with 15 rounds and can also accept munitions manually loaded from outside the vehicle.

    The 9M123 (NATO code AT-15 Springer) missile itself is supersonic, flying at an average speed of 400 m/s or Mach 1.2 and a range of between 400 and 6,000 meters.


    Shturm-S anti-tank missile AT-6 Spiral carrier armoured vehicle based on MT-LB tracked chassis

    The Shturm-S (NATO code AT-6 Spiral) is a Soviet-made anti-tank missile carrier using MT-LB tracked armoured chassis. It was developed in the mid 1970s and entered service with the Soviet Army in 1979.

    The Shturm-S firing unit launches the 9M114 anti-tank guided missile which can be used against static and moving targets from 400 to 5,000 m.

    Latest generation of AT-6 missile, the 9M114M1 (AT-6B) and 9M114M2 (AT-6C) are fitted with tandem HEAT warhead which can penetrated 800 mm of explosive reactive armor. This missiles also have a range of 6 and 7 km respectively.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/november_2016_global_defense_security_news_industry/russia_will_develop_a_new_generation_of_anti-tank_missile_using_fire-and-forget_technology_12111162.html
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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:37 pm

    Self-propelled anti-tank missile system "Kornet-T" in action

    Interesting photo-report from the website of Zvezda television and radio company informing that the cadets of the 1000th Training Center for Combat Applications of Missile Forces and Artillery of the Ground Forces of the Western Military District in Kolomna (Moscow Region) on April 20, 2017 fired missiles from "Shturm", "Konkurs", "Kornet".

    Among other things, the photo report shows a relatively rare new self-propelled anti-tank missile system 9K128-1 "Kornet-T", whose combat vehicles 9P162 are based on BMP-3. Serial complexes "Kornet-T" began to flow into the troops in 2013.





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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  Book. on Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:56 pm

    Ru Army accept New 9P157 Khrizantema S: 2017
    Here: https://youtu.be/gSN7gAsiN5M

    Fact:
    Thus upgraded 9P157 combat vehicle is provided with advanced communications means, a combined − inertial and satellite-based − navigation and orientation system, a terminal for receiving targeting data from the battery commander's vehicle, their automatic processing, displaying tactical data on a digital map, receiving combat orders and instructions. The ABMES was developed by AO NTTS Rubin JSC (city of Penza).

    The upgrading of the 9P157 combat vehicle entailed development of (1) a new test equipment for the IIR/TV sight (developed and manufactured by OAO Peleng JSC), (2) a modified 1L32 radar control system (manufactured by PAO NPO Strela public company, city of Tula); modification of (3) 9M123 and 9M123F missiles (manufactured by FGUP FNPTS PO Start) in terms of replacement of the former Ukrainian photodetector and installation of a more powerful warhead in the 9M123 missile, (4) the 9V981 test equipment for 9P157 CV checks, (5) the 9V945 test equipment (developed and manufactured by Kalashnikov concern, city of Izhevsk) and (6) 9F852 simulator (developed and manufactured by AO TSKBA, city of Tula) for training CV operators.

    Here: http://www.kbm.ru/en/press-centre/829.html



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    Re: Russian Army ATGM Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:07 am

    So the new fire and forget missile is an upgraded Krisantema...

    The original system has a backup laser beam riding guidance, but the primary guidance is a bit like semi active radar homing guidance where a radar mounted on the launch vehicle basically paints a target with a pencil radar beam... I don't think it has a radar receiver in the nose so I would assume it tracked the target and the missile and sent course corrections to the missile via datalink to direct the missile to hit the target... it did all this automatically of course so for the operator, after selecting the target and pressing the fire button they did not have to do anything... the autotracking would do the rest till impact with the target.

    Based on the fire and forget and kill description of the weapon it probably now has an active radar homing sensor in the nose so targets can be fired upon in a fire and forget mode.

    Some articles above mention being able to engage targets without a line of sight, which suggests the missile can find its own targets if directed... I suspect the new tethered drones for the Armata tank with radar and IIR sensors could be launched from these missile platforms to find targets too...

    With terminal homing guidance it could pull tricks like a last second climb and then dive on the target to improve armour penetration performance by creating a steep angle of attack ... because armour is normally angled with the top armour being the thinnest, an attack from a steep angle means less armour to penetrate in areas with the worst armour... plus a chance to disrupt the effect of APS systems that expect straight running threats...

    With radar guidance and active radar homing you don't need a standoff probe and can have a warhead designed to form over 5-10 metres distance so the missile explodes 5-10m away from the tank from above making interception much harder too and removing the need for a standoff probe for the warhead to function properly.

    Edit:
    Actually reading the description again it looks like the commanders vehicle detects targets and passes precise target data information to the missile carrying vehicle... though possibly with a tethered drone to find the targets, and a precise location system for the target for the launch vehicles to launch the missiles to precise locations to hit targets.

    The replacement of the Ukrainian photodetector suggests optical terminal guidance, but the original photo detector was in the tail for laser beam riding guidance...

    More questions than it answers...


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