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    In 2012 military budget will grow by 22% for the total of 86.8 bin $

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:51 am

    In 2012 military budget will grow by 22% for the total of 86.8 bin $ Very Happy 

    Russian budget defense spending to increase 22% in 2014 - ministry
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:39 pm

    In reference to an earlier discussion we had before and Eridan I think started here is an interesting thing.

    So we have

    - 650 bin $ by 2020
    -100 bin $ on modernization of defense enterprises

    all in all 750 bin $ for new equipment, modernization and retooling.


    Russia to Spend $650Bln on Arms Purchases by 2020


    CHISINAU, September 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will spend $650 billion for the rearmament and modernization of its armed forces up to 2020, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday.

    Those funds will be spent only on the procurement of arms and military equipment, he said, adding that another $100 billion would go toward the technical modernization of defense enterprises. He also said Russia’s missile- and aircraft-manufacturing industries would be moved to the country’s eastern regions.

    His remarks appear to be a little bit out of sync with a budget-optimization report released by the Finance Ministry earlier that day, suggesting that by putting off certain defense expenditures until 2016, the federal budget could save between 250 billion rubles ($7.4 billion) and 1.155 trillion rubles ($34.5 billion) within the next three years.

    In June, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said defense spending priorities should be shifted from arms procurement to personnel and infrastructure. A month later, a deputy finance minister said the idea was not to cut defense spending, but optimize it.

    The Russian government has reportedly allocated 20 trillion rubles ($640 billion) for a comprehensive rearmament of the Armed Forces that will see the share of modern weaponry reach 30 percent by 2015, and surpass 70 percent by 2020.


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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  Austin on Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:34 am

    I believe they have serious intention to spend that kind of money $ 750 billion , I think the only challenge will be unforeseen Economic Issue with Russia.

    Since the grown in GDP iS ~ 2 % and its hard to predict what will be next , its equally hard to predict they can spend that money along with other competing needs.

    They can increase their debt and spend for sure but the Finance Ministry is hell bent on keeeping debt low as possible.
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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:04 pm

    Uh.... if they change the mechanics of how gdp growth is to the new standard, it would be more than 2%. You know, since you responded to that thread Austin.....

    As well, reserve fund is massive and can do quite well in dealing with any hits. And seeing how regional governments are in control of education and health while federal deals with the rest. As well, lets face it, the mic is what drives Russias economy as well as high tech development. If they did not hoard the.technologies to themselves and instead found ways to put it up in the open market without security risks, they would be much richer. But the MiC is integral part of Russian economy, and if this money wasnt being invested in, the MiC would end up falling behind in development and ultimately, fail.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:14 pm

    The MIC drives the Russian economy?

    What? No natural resource extraction does, to a much larger degree.
    MIC leading the economy is only a bad thing, and shows how much the civilian sector had to go.
    IF we went down to it, the number of investment that goes into the military, vs the result (exports, civilian technologies) is a poor ratio indeed.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:57 pm

    MIC drives technical development (high tech industry relies on military and roscosmos) so they are the ideal for such engineers. As well, they are the driving force for automation industry and raw materials. MIC accounts for about 25 - 30% of the industrial integrity of Russia.

    Oil and gas accounts for about the same but huge for reserves. Agriculture and construction are the driving force for growth.

    You are right though, its a dangerous road as they will have more say in Russia and their interest is to build weapons. Really, MiC is the main driving force for jobs in USA and see how the lobbying is doing.

    The military and Roscosmos are what drives the technical development from universities in Russia but there is very little connection between them and the public sector (private companies) thus many of that tech does not expand far and thus relies on money from MoD which ultimate, prevents these companies from being global leaders. Which does hurt Russias economy (not hurt but stunts growth). And that needs to change.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:36 pm

    In the State Duma asked to provide the budget for the years 2014-2016 more money on defense


    The structure of expenditure in the budget for the years 2014-2016 do not take into account all the requirements of the law and the decision of the management of the country on the content of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the social protection of servicemen. This was today told reporters the head of the Duma Committee on Defense Vladimir Komoedov / Communist /.

    He commented on the conclusion of the committee submitted to the House by the government draft federal budget for 2014 and the planning period of 2015 and 2016. In particular, the defense committee recommended the State Duma to adopt the draft of the main document of the country in the first reading, but considers it necessary in its preparation for the second reading to take into account the allocation of additional budget appropriations for a number of directions.

    Thus, according to the "National Defense" in 2014, "provided budget funds to address the key issues of the Armed Forces," said Komoedov. "Including the further upgrading to new models of weapons, military and special equipment, social protection of servicemen and other tasks," - he explained.

    Budget allocations for the "National Defense" on the years 2014-2016 are provided in amounts of about 2.5 trillion, 3 trillion and 3.4 trillion rubles, respectively. The growth of budget compared to the previous year, provided by 18.4%, 21.6% and 11.6% respectively in nominal terms.

    In the years 2014-2016 for the payment of money allowances to servicemen provided 372.1 billion rubles and 417.7 billion rubles and 454.0 billion rubles / in 2013 - 341.9 billion rubles / payroll civilian personnel - 154.1 billion rubles , 159.9 billion rubles and 159.9 billion rubles, respectively.

    At the same time, the Defence Committee notes that the draft budget appropriations for salary increases for military posts and salaries for servicemen, military personnel are not provided. According to the parliamentarians, "in order to implement the provisions of the said Act and to avoid infringing on the rights guaranteed to them by the military government indexation allowance is necessary to provide additional budgetary allocations for such indexing."

    For payment and storage of special fuel and lubricants in 2014 provided 59.7 billion rubles, in 2015 - 62.9 billion rubles, in 2016 - 62.9 billion rubles.

    In the event that appropriations be limited to these figures, the Ministry of Defense "will be forced to reduce the amount of oil purchased for 422 thousand tons, and reduce the number of actions performed combat training at 20-30%, including flight crews on the fly - by 20%, to train engineers drivers of armored vehicles - 30%, driver training vehicles - 25%, the number of ships involved in conducting training exercises in the world's oceans - by 40%.

    Thus, the defense committee believes that the need for budgetary allocations for the payment of special fuels and lubricants under the SDO for the years 2014-2016 for the Russian Armed Forces is 69.0 billion, 72.0 billion and 73.9 billion rubles, respectively.

    Also, deputies believe, due to the increased intensity of tasks as part of the protection of Russia's maritime and counter piracy / from the experience of 2013 / must also provide - beyond the GOZ - about 2.1 billion rubles, and only provide for these purposes about 3 mldr rubles / 2014 stands at 969.8 million rubles /.

    In addition, the Committee noted that the amount of funding provided for the maintenance and operation of infrastructure does not allow for the maintenance of facilities in good condition and provide them with the necessary public services. "In this connection, an increase in accounts payable to suppliers of heating, hot and cold water supply, the provision of electricity at the municipal and regional level," - warn MPs.
    So today 1 Trillion Roubles is ~ $30.833 billion , Based on this calculation Defence Budget for Russian Armed Forces from 2014-2016 is

    2014 --> 2.5 Trillion Roubles ----> $ 77 Billion
    2015 ---> 3 Trillion Roubles ----> $ 92 Billion
    2016 ---> 3.4 Trillion Roubles ----> $ 104 Billion

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    In the State Duma asked to provide the budget for the years 2014-2016 more money on defense

    Post  Austin on Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:44 pm

    In the State Duma asked to provide the budget for the years 2014-2016 more money on defense

    Budget allocations for the "National Defense" on the years 2014-2016 are provided in amounts of about 2.5 trillion, 3 trillion and 3.4 trillion rubles, respectively. The growth of budget compared to the previous year, provided by 18.4%, 21.6% and 11.6% respectively in nominal terms.

    1 Trillion Roubles is ~ $30.833 billion , Based on this calculation Defence Budget for Russian Armed Forces from 2014-2016 is

    2014 ---> 2.5 Trillion Roubles ----> $ 77 Billion
    2015 ---> 3 Trillion Roubles ----> $ 92 Billion
    2016 ---> 3.4 Trillion Roubles ----> $ 104 Billion
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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:16 pm

    That's a lot of fucking money

    I just hope that it brings concrete benefits; modernisation of high-tech industry, more orders for materials/metals/electronics/software, good salaries & conditions for military professionals, training of specialists, more export orders & JVs and of course enough to fulfill the task of protecting Russia and Russian interests. No need to spend money on extra toys that Russia is unlikely to need (and if it will; there may be other things capable of fulfilling the task)
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    In the State Duma asked to provide the budget for the years 2014-2016 more money on defense

    Post  TR1 on Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:21 pm

    Austin wrote:In the State Duma asked to provide the budget for the years 2014-2016 more money on defense

    Budget allocations for the "National Defense" on the years 2014-2016 are provided in amounts of about 2.5 trillion, 3 trillion and 3.4 trillion rubles, respectively. The growth of budget compared to the previous year, provided by 18.4%, 21.6% and 11.6% respectively in nominal terms.

    1 Trillion Roubles is ~ $30.833 billion , Based on this calculation Defence Budget for Russian Armed Forces from 2014-2016 is

    2014 ---> 2.5 Trillion Roubles  ---->  $ 77 Billion
    2015 ---> 3   Trillion Roubles  ---->  $ 92 Billion
    2016 ---> 3.4 Trillion Roubles  ----> $  104 Billion
    Too damn much for peacetime, when the economy isn't increasing by a similar %.

    Hopefully the money at least goes to industry heavy, job producing purchases.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:25 am

    Check this how US hides its defence spending but putting it in other department , Real defence spending is about 50 % of Budget spending

    http://blog.independent.org/2010/04/17/defense-spending-is-much-greater-than-you-think/

    For Russia it is around 20 % of budget spending may be a little more


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:20 am

    Except with Russia it is a case of much needed money being pumped into an area of the economy that was starved for over a decade but is still capable of producing world class products.

    In the case of the US it is pumping money into a bloated money drain that buys chinese parts even when it could make them itself...


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    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:18 am

    Putin: the next decade defense companies will be fully loaded with orders
    http://www.itar-tass.com/ekonomika/828646

    "The funds we allocate to the rearmament of the army and navy, to modernize the military-industrial complex, as you know, is unprecedented - they reach figures in 23 trillion rubles - Putin said. - In the next decade, the country's defense companies will be fully loaded with orders, can upgrade its manufacturing base and create quality jobs. "

    The President recalled that DIC employs more than 2 million people, and with family members - seven million people. "At the specialists will have a stable, well-paid jobs, and hence prosperity in families" - the president said.

    However, he said that should already be thinking about how to be loaded defense companies after SDO in 2020. According to him, it is inconceivable that these companies were not in demand. "I ask the Military Industrial Commission to submit proposals in this regard to our company to timely switch to issue demand on our market and foreign civilian products", - concluded the president.

    "At the moment in the Russian army realized the state armaments program 2011-2020, which involves an unprecedented funding for upgrading and development of the Russian Armed Forces - more than 20 trillion rubles. According to this program, it is assumed that by 2020 the share of modern weapons systems and military Technology in the Russian army will reach 70%, "- said Deputy Minister of Defence previously Yuri Borisov.

    Budget of the Ministry of Defence in the current year after all corrections amount to 2.3 trillion rubles., Said Vladimir Putin in November. The President stressed that the state allocates these funds to defenses were provided for the long term.
    Guilty of disrupting the answer ruble

    December 3, Vladimir Putin signed a law on fines to 1 million rubles. for the failure of the state defense order, passed by the State Duma on November 22 and approved by the Federation Council on November 27.

    Failure to comply with the law in deciding to hold a private auction is subject to penalty for officials from 30 thousand to 50 thousand rubles. The same penalties provided for violation of the procedure for determining the initial or maximum cost of the state contract for the SDO, terms of placing orders for goods and works, goods and payment of the contract in the field of defense procurement. For refusing the sole supplier of a state contract for the SDO will be fine for officials from 30 thousand to 50 thousand rubles., For legal entities from 300 thousand to 1 million rubles.

    The law also increases the statute of limitations for administrative liability for violation of the mandatory requirements for defense products from three months to three years, the obligation to examine such cases are assigned to the Federal Service for Defense Contracts (Rosoboronzakaz) and its territorial bodies.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:34 pm

    Not sure where to post but

    Interview Rosteh: Russian Federation holds the second place in the world arms export

    Rosteh" gives the country a strong position in the global arms market: over the last few years, Russia takes the second place in the world in terms of military exports. Rosoboronexport portfolio of orders valued at more than $ 35 billion.

    The document stipulates that in the years 2013-2016 shipments Rosoboronexport, which accounts for over 80% of Russian arms exports, will remain at the current level - about $ 13 billion per year.


    The state armaments program for the period 2016 - 2025 years, is now under development. While we can report that the total value of state armaments program for the period 2011-2020, is 20.7 trillion rubles.

     Shocked 

    20.7 Trilion rouble = $640 Billion

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    Post  Austin on Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:16 pm

    Some times I wonder how Russia has to struggle to make and spend money worth $650 billion in a decade inspite of having a growing economy though slowly and low debt.

    While US can afford to spend $600 + billion in a year and has been doing that for a decade inspite of having a huge debt and many economical problem.

    The difference cant be more unique !
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    Post  zg18 on Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:13 pm

    Austin wrote:Some times I wonder how Russia has to struggle to make and spend money worth $650 billion in  a decade inspite of having a growing economy though slowly and low debt.

    While US can afford to spend $600 + billion in a year and has been doing that for a decade inspite of having a huge debt and many economical problem.

    The difference cant be more unique !

    Dollar is the reserve currency of the world and oil currency , it allows US to commit monetary and fiscal abuse no other country can. Besides 640$ billion in Russia worth a lot more than in the US!

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    Post  Firebird on Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:10 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Some times I wonder how Russia has to struggle to make and spend money worth $650 billion in  a decade inspite of having a growing economy though slowly and low debt.

    While US can afford to spend $600 + billion in a year and has been doing that for a decade inspite of having a huge debt and many economical problem.

    The difference cant be more unique !

    Dollar is the reserve currency of the world and oil currency , it allows US to commit monetary and fiscal abuse no other country can. Besides 640$ billion in Russia worth a lot more than in the US!

    The Dollar may be a head of the "Western bloc". But the World is getting a long way from the US centric international market of the 1950s to 1970s and onward. The Euro, Reminbi, Brics, commodities are all challenging the rather antiquated system of pure Dollar-centricity.

    A main difference is that the US was actively at war on 2 fronts, and has a ridiculously over-large presence in lots of other places.

    Additionally, you only need look at the purchasing power parity issue of the US. Military wages are x times higher, but taxes mean its x times more expensive to live in the US. So it costs much more to do the same thing. You've also got major fraud issues in the US military and its associated (Bush croney etc) sectors like Halliburton.

    Compare the hardware the US is buying and what Russia is buying currently, and they are fairly similar. US intl influence is waning, Russia's is steady/growing a little.

    To be honest, its a shame some of the Americans cant just grow up and realise that Russia can be a good ally in a lot of matters.The true winners of the Cold War were places like China and India who caught up substantially with Russia and the US. But the US Neo-Cons are in complete denial.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:53 am

    Russian Military Spending to Increase Next Year Despite Sanctions - Reports


    MOSCOW, September 17 (RIA Novosti) – Russian military spending will grow in 2015 as planned despite the economic problems the country is currently facing, the Vedomosti newspaper reports Wednesday citing a note to the draft 2015-2017 federal budget.

    The national defense allocations for the federal budget are planned to increase by 21.2 percent next year, reaching 3.032 trillion rubles ($79 billion).

    "This means real growth in defense spending, since, according to the draft, inflation is expected to stand at 6 percent in 2015. Meanwhile, in 2016 and 2017 the real growth rate in military spending will be negligible and close to inflation: 7.8 percent in 2016, reaching 3.23 trillion rubles [$84 billion], and 4 percent in 2017, reaching 3.36 trillion rubles [$87 billion]," Vedomosti reports.

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    Russian Military Spending to Increase Next Year Despite Sanctions - Reports

    MOSCOW, September 17 (RIA Novosti) – Russian military spending will grow in 2015 as planned despite the economic problems the country is currently facing, the Vedomosti newspaper reports Wednesday citing a note to the draft 2015-2017 federal budget.

    The national defense allocations for the federal budget are planned to increase by 21.2 percent next year, reaching 3.032 trillion rubles ($79 billion).

    "This means real growth in defense spending, since, according to the draft, inflation is expected to stand at 6 percent in 2015. Meanwhile, in 2016 and 2017 the real growth rate in military spending will be negligible and close to inflation: 7.8 percent in 2016, reaching 3.23 trillion rubles [$84 billion], and 4 percent in 2017, reaching 3.36 trillion rubles [$87 billion]," Vedomosti reports.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:12 pm

    Austin wrote:Russian Military Spending to Increase Next Year Despite Sanctions - Reports


    MOSCOW, September 17 (RIA Novosti) – Russian military spending will grow in 2015 as planned despite the economic problems the country is currently facing, the Vedomosti newspaper reports Wednesday citing a note to the draft 2015-2017 federal budget.

    The national defense allocations for the federal budget are planned to increase by 21.2 percent next year, reaching 3.032 trillion rubles ($79 billion).

    "This means real growth in defense spending, since, according to the draft, inflation is expected to stand at 6 percent in 2015. Meanwhile, in 2016 and 2017 the real growth rate in military spending will be negligible and close to inflation: 7.8 percent in 2016, reaching 3.23 trillion rubles [$84 billion], and 4 percent in 2017, reaching 3.36 trillion rubles [$87 billion]," Vedomosti reports.

    I just did some back of the envelop calculation of Defence Expenditure from 2011 to 2017 based on what has been spent and what Vedomosti reports

    http://www.foi.se/Documents/foir_3688.pdf

    Defence Budget  ( Trillion Roubles )

    2011 - 1.515 
    2012 - 1.812
    2013 -  2.106
    2014 -  2.49
    2015 -   3.032  ( projected )
    2016 -  3.23     ( projected )
    2017 -  3.36     ( projected )

    Total -  17.545 Trillion 

    SAP Total Funding  ( 20 Trillion + 3 Trillion for MIC ) 

    for 2018 , 2019 , 2020 - Total Spending should be approx  5.45 Trillion

    Approx 1.9 Trillion per year for 3 years

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    Post  Austin on Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:12 pm

    I just did some back of the envelop calculation of Defence Expenditure from 2011 to 2017 based on what has been spent and what Vedomosti reports

    http://www.foi.se/Documents/foir_3688.pdf

    Defence Budget  ( Trillion Roubles )

    2011 - 1.515 
    2012 - 1.812
    2013 -  2.106
    2014 -  2.49
    2015 -   3.032  ( projected )
    2016 -  3.23     ( projected )
    2017 -  3.36     ( projected )

    Total -  17.545 Trillion 

    SAP Total Funding  ( 20 Trillion + 3 Trillion for MIC ) 

    for 2018 , 2019 , 2020 - Total Spending should be approx  5.45 Trillion

    Approx 1.9 Trillion per year for 3 years
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:00 pm

    Austin wrote:Russian Military Spending to Increase Next Year Despite Sanctions - Reports


    MOSCOW, September 17 (RIA Novosti) – Russian military spending will grow in 2015 as planned despite the economic problems the country is currently facing, the Vedomosti newspaper reports Wednesday citing a note to the draft 2015-2017 federal budget.

    The national defense allocations for the federal budget are planned to increase by 21.2 percent next year, reaching 3.032 trillion rubles ($79 billion).

    "This means real growth in defense spending, since, according to the draft, inflation is expected to stand at 6 percent in 2015. Meanwhile, in 2016 and 2017 the real growth rate in military spending will be negligible and close to inflation: 7.8 percent in 2016, reaching 3.23 trillion rubles [$84 billion], and 4 percent in 2017, reaching 3.36 trillion rubles [$87 billion]," Vedomosti reports.
    Good, let's hope it gets put to good use!
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:28 pm

    Several news agency said that, on 7th October, Russian Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov claimed that Russia do not have enough money for the total modernization of the Army and he demanded a cheaper and more cost-effective program.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-siluanov-finance-minister-military-spending/26625888.html
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/07/us-russia-economy-spending-defence-idUSKCN0HW1H420141007

    Andbody who can read Russian please verify this information. If the information is true, I have to say this is not a good news.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:10 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Several news agency said that, on 7th October, Russian Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov claimed that Russia do not have enough money for the total modernization of the Army and he demanded a cheaper and more cost-effective program.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-siluanov-finance-minister-military-spending/26625888.html
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/07/us-russia-economy-spending-defence-idUSKCN0HW1H420141007

    Andbody who can read Russian please verify this information. If the information is true, I have to say this is not a good news.
    Sounds like another Serdyukov to me.

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