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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:32 pm

    So apparently, this year, orriginally budget was set at $20B higher than last year (roughly $81B). So if there is a cut by less than 10%, so lets say 8%, then that means budget is roughly $74.5B this year, which makes it about $13B higher than last year. Next year, budget for defense was set at roughly around $90B so we can expect next years defense budget set at around $80~ B.

    Although, I cant find anything much on this and what is being cut, cause on Tass, Putin went on to say further modernization of weapons and as well, only states for 2016 budget to be reduced by less than 10%.

    If anyone can provide assistance on this, would be nice. I noticed you posted this on keypub forum Austin, so I will be checking that out to see replies. As well, why are you not posting the flight magazine here as well? Many would love to read it!

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:52 am

    Finance Ministry proposes to cut military spending in Russia’s 2016 budget

    That means a reduction of ineffective spending on state programs, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said

    MOSCOW, June 25. /TASS/. The military spending in Russia’s budget for 2016 will be cut but by less than 10%, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov told reporters on Thursday.

    "It will be less (than by 10% which is foreseen for other sectors)", he said.

    The Minister added that his ministry proposes to reduce the military spending taking into account the decisions of 2015 and making them valid also in 2016-2018.

    "That means a reduction of ineffective spending on state programs. As for military spending the percentage of optimization of this program was lower this year but the sum that we managed to cut we also want to extract from the spending in the coming years," Siluanov said.


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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:41 pm

    Thanks to Austin for posting this at Keypub forums:
    http://vpk.name/news/135793_minfin_prizval_peresmotret_rashodyi_na_oboronu.html

    Effectively, finance minister wants to bring back MiC (which is second largest or first largest employers in Russia, brings in 10's of billions in revenue and billions in taxation, as well as work for all those people who buy goods) back to 90's era level by wanting to get gov to reduce the budget to 2% from 4%. Let me remind you that next year, it wont even be 4% and will be less than $80B due to cutting the budget next year, so he is flat out a lying f*** on the numbers of what they are spending, but as well, effectively stops the procurement plan altogether. The recent climb in defence spending is due to sap2020 and replacing all the needed equipment that is falling out of the sky, killing people/pilots, all so some idiot can save a kopek on paper but damage the Rus economy even more in long run. He wants to drop it to $40B per year, which means it wont even come close to funding sap 2020 and one would have to forget about it, all for austerity. He uses example of what BRICS nations spend on average, but doesnt take into consideration that nukes alone would cost 1/4 of those funds, if it was $40B, and they dont need to cover the same amount of space as Russia does. Not to mention, average wage of Russians are higher than even Chinese so costs will be higher too.

    If they do this, they will do exactly as they did before, no issues will be fixed, and Russias security and economy will drop to the gutter and will lose their airforce eventually cause of costs and lack of money to replace the birds falling from the skies, or funds for training.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  Prince Darling on Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:49 pm

    no problem in lowering funds if you improve the way those funds are being spent, which is probably a bigger problem in russia than cutting total defense spending

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:17 am

    Russian PM to hold session on defense spending in 2016-2018

    Russia spends around 4% of its GDP on defense

    MOSCOW, July 15. /TASS/. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev will hold a meeting on defense budget spending in 2016 and 2017-2018 on Wednesday.

    The governmental press service said that among participants in the meeting will be First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, presidential aide Andrey Belousov, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, Federal Space Agency head Igor Komarov, Rosatom head Sergey Kiriyenko and representatives of other ministries and departments.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin approved on Monday amendments to law on federal budget in 2015 and planned budget in 2016-2017.

    On July 10, the Finance Ministry released a report proposing to optimize defense spending, saying it should not exacerbate conditions for economic growth and fulfilling other countyr’s priorities. "Taking into account the uneasy geopolitical situation, it is necessary to find the level of spending that, on the one hand, will not exacerbate conditions for economic growth and other country’s priorities, and, on the other hand, will allow to effectively solve the issue of strengthening the country’s defense capabilities," the report said.

    Defense spending in Russia is more than average figures among OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) and BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) countries. Russia spends around 4% of its GDP on defense, while other BRICS and OECD countries - around 1-2%.


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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:56 am

    President of the state defense order will show a new picture

    http://vpk.name/news/136089_prezidentu_pokazhut_novuyu_kartinu_gosoboronzakaza.html

    Russia plans to cut military spending in the next three years

    The government is spending a lot of money to finance the military-industrial complex (MIC), and waiting for the appropriate return. This was said yesterday the Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev at a meeting of the costs of the defense industry. At the same time, relevant departments have already warned of reduced funding limits for the next three years. According to budget projections, spending on defense in GDP will be reduced from 4.3% to 3.1%. Economists say the worsening departmental competition for budgetary resources.

    Heads of the Ministry of Defense and defense companies will report today before President Vladimir Putin on the implementation of the state defense order for the second quarter 2015. President must submit a new system of financial monitoring of the state defense order. All events will be held in a videoconference with the National Control Centre defense of the state.

    Government spending "good money" to finance the state defense order, said yesterday Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. "We are engaged in debugging mechanisms of defense procurement, and to its financing allocated amount is very significant. The state defense order was made almost 100%. This year, the appropriate goals and spent very good money, despite the very difficult situation in the financial sector. Therefore, we can expect that the money will bring the desired result, "- said Medvedev at a meeting of the costs of the defense industry in the years 2016-2018. He stressed that allowed stable financing for the past three years to completely renovate the park of weapons, and already by serial purchases.

    Now the main task the defense industry - import substitution, the development of aviation and shipbuilding, electronic industry, space activities, the implementation of projects of nuclear power complex, listed prime minister. Adding, however, that the Finance Ministry has already informed the profile departments of the budgetary constraints on the 2016-2018 years.

    "The budget of the complex. Before Minpromtorga, Roscosmos, the state corporation "Rosatom" and a number of other structures brought limits for the period 2016-2018 years "- said Medvedev.

    Recall that according to the draft Guidelines of budgetary policy for the years 2016-2018, defense spending will be reduced quite significantly - along with the social policy of the national economy and national security. Military spending will drop from 4.3% of GDP this year to 3.1% of GDP in 2018.

    The Higher School of Economics remind that after 2009 for defense spending grew rapidly and in conjunction with the cost of national security, their share in total expenditures reached a record 34% in 2015. In the next three years it is expected to decline to around 2012 levels. "To a certain extent this reduction is achieved by eliminating the indexation allowance for troops," - says the "Commentaries on the state and business," the HSE. It notes that today's increased competition for resources between social and power units defies previous support mechanisms of social stability.

    At the same time the Ministry of Finance in the report on the effectiveness of budget spending on the reduction of spending on defense industry said rather vaguely. "It is necessary to determine the optimal spending on defense. The share of defense spending in Russia is higher than the average for the OECD countries and BRICS countries - more than 4% of GDP, compared with values ​​of about 1-2% of GDP for both groups of countries. Taking into account the rather difficult geopolitical situation, you need to find a level of expenditures for these purposes, that is, on the one hand, will not worsen the conditions for economic growth, and on the other - will guarantee to strengthen the country's defense. It is necessary to achieve the highest possible return on aimed at the defense budget expenditures ", - the report says.


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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:49 am

    2012 levels?  According to SIPRI, 2012 spending was at $90B with Guardian saying something along the lines of $72B in 2011.  So that isn't 3.1% of the GDP. Does anyone have any hard data on what Russias Def budget was in 2012?

    Also, whoever keeps saying that comparing Russia's defence spending to rest of BRICS should be brought out into full public and shot.  India, China, South Africa or Brazil do not rely 1/4 of their entire industrial complex to the MiC, and this is entirely Russia's fault.  They should have allowed the defence companies modernize and diversify, but they didn't.  So they are going to help speed up the process of increased poverty, and companies closing.  Oh well, I guess Medvedev and his 5th columnist filth will go down in history as worst for Putin's time in power.

    Good thing is, they are doing this over a gradual period, so it wont just drop to that amount next year but by 2018, so I imagine 2016 budget will be less than $80B, and probably be more in line with around the high $60B to low $70B.  Issue is though, will this be enough to help Russia?  Because let us face it, import substitution is relying heavily upon Russia's military industrial complex to purchase these goods.  So with reduced spending, means less chance of import substitution will happen.  And with CBR being IMF stooges themselves, the interest rates are going to help further kill funding for institutions.

    So, all in all, there is going to have to be some major changes.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:42 pm

    The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage. Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
    levels in the next 3 years. It will keep on growing. There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
    are going to turn into decreases. The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.

    When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
    Russian this or that is in total crisis. The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
    and you can see it in this thread.

    Please, people, stand back and look around. Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's. There will be
    growth by the 4th quarter. Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:13 pm

    kvs wrote:The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage.   Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
    levels in the next 3 years.   It will keep on growing.    There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
    are going to turn into decreases.   The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.

    When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
    Russian this or that is in total crisis.   The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
    and you can see it in this thread.

    Please, people, stand back and look around.   Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's.   There will be
    growth by the 4th quarter.   Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?  

    You are probably right, as if you look at the chart above posts, Russia spent more on military in 2008 and 2009 since previous years, when they dropped economically in GDP terms by 9%. So why would they cut now? Until there is an official statement, I wont believe it. We will find out next year.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:18 pm

    kvs wrote:The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage.   Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
    levels in the next 3 years.   It will keep on growing.    There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
    are going to turn into decreases.   The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.

    When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
    Russian this or that is in total crisis.   The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
    and you can see it in this thread.


    Please, people, stand back and look around.   Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's.   There will be
    growth by the 4th quarter.   Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?  

    Honestly, this media BS storm feels like inverted Cold War. Back then Sovs constantly kept saying that West is collapsing economically and that they are weeks away from total chaos even though nothing could have been further from the truth.

    Now you have same thing with reversed roles. Bizarre... Suspect

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  Austin on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:31 pm

    kvs wrote:The talk of cutting from 4.3% to 3.1% is complete garbage.   Russia's military spending will not be reduced to 70% of its current
    levels in the next 3 years.   It will keep on growing.    There is no indication at all that the planned increases from year to year
    are going to turn into decreases.   The rate of growth will be reduced but that is it.

    When I do Google searches on Russian topics of almost any sort I get a deluge of links to doomsday propaganda about how
    Russian this or that is in total crisis.   The subject of the military spending cuts is subjected to this same hysterical propaganda
    and you can see it in this thread.

    Please, people, stand back and look around.   Russia's GDP is not imploding by 17% year on year like Ukraine's.   There will be
    growth by the 4th quarter.   Why the f*ck would Russia need to slash its military budget by 30%?  

    I did a back of envelope calculations of Def Budget so far and its as below

    http://www.foi.se/Documents/foir_3688.pdf

    Defence Budget ( Trillion Roubles )

    2011 - 1.515
    2012 - 1.812
    2013 - 2.106
    2014 - 2.49
    2015 - 3.03

    Goal is to spend 23 Trillion roubles by 2020 , ~ 20 on Defence Budget/Procurement/Maintenance etc and 3 on MIC

    Rough calulation shows they spent ~ 11 Trillion till 2015 , to meet the goal they need to spend ~ 12 trillion in next 5 years ( 2016-2020 ) thats around an average of 2.4 trillion roubles each year.

    I think they can achieve that , because even a reduction in spending % GDP wise would get some what compensated by some growth in GDP.

    I think the best option for them is to increase export , currently its at $15 billion per year , they would aim to rise it to $20 to $25 billion per year say in next 5-8 years.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Now you have same thing with reversed roles. Bizarre... Suspect

    Because they are reversed.
    Modern Russia is conservative country whose elites wants to stay in power and make money without all the ideological baggage.
    Meanwhile, USAE are blinded by their own ideology and superiority complex and unwilling to acknowledge interests of others.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:30 am

    Russian lawmaker warns government against cuts in defense budget


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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:07 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Now you have same thing with reversed roles. Bizarre... Suspect

    Because they are reversed.
    Modern Russia is conservative country whose elites wants to stay in power and make money without all the ideological baggage.
    Meanwhile, USAE are blinded by their own ideology and superiority complex and unwilling to acknowledge interests of others.

    +1

    Very succinctly stated :-)

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:49 am

    George1 wrote:Russian lawmaker warns government against cuts in defense budget

    I agree with this lawmaker.

    Cutbacks wont solve anything but exacerbate things.  While Russia will have increased poverty, they need to get these people out of it.  They really need to do something that will get consumers happy again and get them spending again.  Reducing budgets usually means reducing jobs, which means more poverty, which means less people spending money.

    Maybe, they need to really reduce the credit rate so that it can get industry going again.  What CBR is doing is destroying the economy.

    With that said, if they "need" to save money, then manufacturing is where it is at. So I agree with the idea of making more Tu-160's, and stretching out PAK DA's Research and development, but not stop it at all (which they are not doing, at least not yet it seems). But they will definitely need to find an alternative to Tu-22M's. Either restart their production or start a new program/reroute PAK DA to that section. So maybe increase equipment procurement but reduce spending in other fields. Maybe scrap the idea of an Aircraft Carrier and all these other types of ships, and concentrate on 1 type of Corvette, Frigate and Destroyer (or scrap the destroyer and just go for corvette, Frigate and more submarines).

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:36 pm

    Russia’s Defense Ministry gives up excessive types of uniforms, saves $200 mln


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    Can Russia not Afford To Buy Its New Super Weapons ?

    Post  nemrod on Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:00 pm

    I hesitate to post another western news. Nevertheless, as I share a part of this pov, -chiefly not for the same reasons- my wishes are Russia will have to dominate, with cheap, powerfull weapons like SU-35, Mig-35, T-90, AT-14 Kornet, S-60, etc...In my view, weapon like the very costly SU-50 could really hampered the ability of Russia to dominate the battlefield. I don't know much, the price of the T-14. But foxtrotalpha's questions seem to be very relevant.
    Your opinions ?


    http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-cant-afford-to-buy-its-new-super-weapons-1718368304


    Russia Can't Afford To Buy Its New Super Weapons
    Russia may be coming to the realization that developing a high-tech weapon system is not the same as fielding it en masse, or even in relatively limited numbers. This appears to be the case for both the T-14 “Armata” tank, the T-50 5th generation fighter, and signs are possibly the PAK-DA next generation bomber.
    The T-14 has been Russia’s most celebrated new weapon system as of late. Regardless of its capability (though it’s by no means a “silver bullet” weapon system), in order to be really effective it needs to be fielded in relevant numbers. Originally the idea was to replace the majority of Russia’s front-line stable of ‘legacy’ main battle tanks with the T-14, amounting to about 2,300 in total, with production ramping up in the short term.

    Instead of producing thousands of the tanks over next five years or so, some analysts put the number as little as a few hundred. This is partly because the cost of the tank has ballooned to about two and half times what was originally projected. As a result, the Kremlin will likely focus on modernize existing system, such as its T-72 and T-90 tank force.
    The same situation is also occurring with the Kremlin’s new stealthy fighter, the Sukhoi T-50. Originally the Russia was aiming at building about 150 T-50s by 2020, then the number was scaled back to just 52 units with the first batch entering operational service in 2016. Now, that number is being drastically scaled back once again to just 12 aircraft, which really equates to an expanded test and operational validation force at best. What’s worse is that as production numbers plummet, unit costs increase. This is what is commonly referred to in Pentagon parlance as a weapons program “Death Spiral.”

    India, which has invested partially in the T-50 project (also referred to as the PAK-FA) for its own derivative of the jet, has also been less than enamored with its progress and capabilities. Not to mention that the Indian Air Force just spent billions of dollars on 36 French Rafale fighters with more almost certainly on the way.

    Then there’s the fact that there are tensions between the two nations when it comes to maintaining Inida’s existing Su-30MKI fleet. Spare parts availability and engine reliability have also been of major concern when it comes to India Su-35MKIs. This, along with other major recent purchases by India of aircraft made by western aerospace manufacturers, leads many to believe that New Delhi may turn away from Russia for its military aircraft needs.

    All this equates to a fighter program that may slow to snail’s pace. As such, it then blurs the lines between a very costly research and development experiment and an actually viable front-line weapon system that Russia can hang its air combat helmet on for the foreseeable future.

    Finally, we get to Russia’s next-generation bomber, the PAK-DA. Recent declarations that Russia will be putting the Tu-160 Blackjack back into production may be telling as to the future bomber’s feasibility. The choice to put a Cold War era bomber, one that was highly expensive back then and will be now, while also upgrading their existing force, seems like odd choices for an air arm that supposedly has a cutting edge bomber that will be flying by the end of this decade and coming online operationally around the middle of the next.

    Part of this is just a numbers game and part of it is a reality — or lack thereof — game. Russia has been hit by sanctions in a way that is directly affecting their weapons procurement strategy, there is no doubt about it. This was not planned for five years ago or more when many of these programs were being launched.

    Still, the valley between what Russia says it can do economically and what it actually can do is so wide that sanctions alone can’t explain the massive slowdown in Russia’s military modernization. It’s clear that Russia is simply unrealistic when it comes to its military technology ambitions.

    This is hardly an uncommon phenomenon. The Pentagon has its own woes in this regard as well, although the unraveling of so many key and trumped up programs so fast has not been seen when it comes to the U.S., even in the Department of Defense’s post sequester reality.

    With all this in mind, we will probably see just enough T-14s and T-50s to participate in parades, flyovers and to spearhead military exercises, but Russia will most likely continue to fall back on procuring and updating existing conventional weaponry while drastically updating their submarine and land-based nuclear capabilities. This offers a maximum “bottom line” deterrent while also maintaining a usable and affordable conventional force. It also allows Putin and the Kremlin to continue on without losing clout with the Russian people by not having to fully cut leading-edge programs seen as a national source of pride and international competitiveness. And it allows Russia to continue to parade around these programs while actively trying to sell them to anyone with who will buy into them.

    This more rationalized approach to weapons procurement is not unlike that of the Cold War. We often forget that even at the height of tensions between East and West, America had to buy the F-16 and F-15 due to budgetary limitations, and that is just one example. A high-low capability mix was a strategy of necessity as much as anything else. The same was true for the USSR to an even greater degree, where numerical advantage was chosen more over a qualitative one.

    The policy of procuring an almost all gold-plated, maximum capability at seemingly any cost force is an advent of the post-Cold War military industrial complex. It remains as unrealistic as it was in the Cold War, for both the U.S. and Russia. Russia is now having to come to terms with this reality, while the U.S. is not... yet.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:52 am

    Load of BS.

    The T-14 is on schedule and AFAIK within budget... BTW where is the Commanche and Crusader (self propelled artillery).

    Everybody re-evaluates their programmes over time and makes changes depending on the current situation.

    the current economic situation with sanctions against Russia of course they would be stupid to keep spending like there were not economic problems... that would just be dumb to expect them to keep on full speed ahead with every single programme.... even the west dramatically scaled back production numbers of the F-22 and B-2 because the situation they were designed for no longer existed at the time.

    The fact that the Russians even have a stealth fighter approaching production alone says it is on a level beyond the vast majority of the west... only the US has achieved that so far with western countries buying off the shelf instead of having the technology to make their own.

    they will likely be building a few thousand Armata based vehicles... it makes no sense at all to make 24 armata tanks because armata tanks have to operate with other armata vehicles.

    You don't just put armata tanks in a current unit in place of the T-90s... that would just be dumb.

    These experts I suspect are economic experts or just dumb as shit when it comes to military equipment.

    And the last comment is amusing... the US sells medium weight transport aircraft for half a billion dollars each is in no position to be compared with Russia... the T-14 will likely be much cheaper than the M1A3 Abrams and while it wont be produced in such numbers neither will anything.

    Today, one MiG-29SMT upgraded aircraft can perform the roles of the MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-27, and Su-17/-20/-22 and it could actually do a much better job than any of them.

    A MiG-35 with 5 wing pylons and one centreline pylon could carry 10 long range AAMs, which is the equivalent to 2.5-5 MiG-23s in terms of BVR missiles (depending on whether the MiG-23 has 2 or 4 R-23s or R-24s). Not only that but the ground air defence network the MiG-335 will be able to access will also be rather more capable too, so while the Soviets had thousands of Floggers, it wont need nearly as many MiG-35s and other modern aircraft.

    The difference is even more dramatic with ships and subs.


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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:22 pm

    Not a single f*cking budget number in the whole article. I am sick and tired of reading "journalist" excrement
    about subjects that require hard figures but have only opinion fluff instead.

    If you stand back and evaluate this spam of western "journalism" you will see nothing but wishful thinking and
    projection. It's a severe psychological pathology that taints all western thought and makes the west extremely
    dangerous.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:35 pm

    kvs wrote:Not a single f*cking budget number in the whole article.  I am sick and tired of reading "journalist" excrement
    about subjects that require hard figures but have only opinion fluff instead.

    If you stand back and evaluate this spam of western "journalism" you will see nothing but wishful thinking and
    projection.   It's a severe psychological pathology that taints all western thought and makes the west extremely
    dangerous.

    I always find it funny reading Western urine-yellow journalism articles about what Russia can't afford, while they always manage to reluctantly mention Russia's Debt-to-GDP % ratio. I wonder why... Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:26 pm

    As said to GarryB over the calibre renewal, Russia has dat money on budget to have three times the number of Armata hulls when push comes to shove and still not give a single F.U.C.K. What they did was largely a publicity stunt (see we care about the crisis) since the oil money isn't going anywhere soon and the whole ruble crash even favours the Budget.

    What is more problematic is some components that need purchasing from Pure Democratic West for direct comparison, which will come through a third party anyway.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:43 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/817608

    So SAP 2020 will stick to the agreed initial budget when it started, but SAP2025 has been postponed till better economic conditions.

    I imagine if Russia continues on its retarded approach of playing by western financial rules, there will never be a good indicator. So they will have no choice but to abandon such practices or deal with having a much smaller military procurement plan. Initially, they wanted 55 trillion roubles for defense spending. That is a lot. More than what is even possibly needed. I say, keep it relarively low, like 10 trillion roubles and use the rest that was invisioned to be used as a sap program but for civil development.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:37 pm

    http://m.ria.ru/defense_safety/20150831/1219099192.html?rubric=defense_safety

    Apparently there is a new financial instructions put into place for funding of procurement/enterprises. Forces communication as well as transparency in terms funding. The banks are chosen as well by the government that the enterprises must open an account with.

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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:36 pm

    Russia's military spending in 2016 will be reduced by 225 billion rubles


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    Re: Military budget of the Russian Federation

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:00 am

    George1 wrote:Russia's military spending in 2016 will be reduced by 225 billion rubles

    that sounds big, so i guess more delays in arms procurement

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