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    Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun May 12, 2013 12:24 pm

    Hi all, hoping to see what peoples views are. On previous forums ive been they have mostly been in favour of the Chinook mainly due to versatility, agility, and less bulky size, some even say its cheaper to maintain and run. If you were to have a heavy transport helicopter for your forces what would you choose and why?????????? any views welcome.

    me personally i would go for the mi 26 halo, due the extra capacity, better range, and how many times has a mi 26 halo helped out various forces around the world when there current helicoptors i.e chinook havent been able to carry out the task, one that springs to mind the recovery of a chinook. Having flown on a chinook and experienced what it can do, i still would go for the Mi 26 halo, and this isnt me being biased being on Russian military forum.

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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 12, 2013 2:51 pm

    They are not really comparable.

    The Mi-26 utterly blows the Chinook out of the water when it comes to heavy lift. Not even close.
    However, if you don't need anything as big or powerfull as the Mi-26, then that extra size and power would be a disadvantage.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun May 12, 2013 3:18 pm

    TR1 wrote:They are not really comparable.

    The Mi-26 utterly blows the Chinook out of the water when it comes to heavy lift. Not even close.
    However, if you don't need anything as big or powerfull as the Mi-26, then that extra size and power would be a disadvantage.


    hi thanks for reply, on other forums they are always compared to as similar roles. but i agree the mi 26 halo is also similar in roles with the hercules in terms of size, i think its a great piece of equipment and rather than having both i would go for the MI 26 and MI 17's to carry out transport needs.

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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 13, 2013 5:09 am

    Most civies don't realise it but transport aircraft are tools, and they don't just happen by chance, there is a huge process in their development and introduction into service.

    With transports you have different size tools like spanners, so for small objects you need small nuts, and for bigger heavier objects you need bigger nuts and bolts and for each job "weight range" you have a transport designed for it.

    An example is the C-17... enormously expensive, but necessary because the US military likes to have a medium sized aircraft that can carry one MBT, so they have the C-17 able to carry a single 70 ton MBT. They might never use C-17s for that role as it is cheaper to use ship transport but that is the reason for the existence of the C-17.

    The C-130 is another tool and it carries up to 20 ton payloads, so many missions for the C-130 will be designed around 20 ton payload or less missions over the flight range of the C-130s, and able to use the flight strips the C-130 requires.

    The Mi-26 and Chinook are in different classes... like comparing a plane that can carry a 12 ton payload with a C-130.

    You can claim the Mi-26 is expensive when all your missions anticipated a 12 ton capacity helo, but when 14 tons needs to be moved, or indeed 20 tons then the Chinook is simply not enough helo.

    BTW talk of versatility, the Mi-26 is also a very versatile aircraft... about all it lacks is the amphibious performance of the Chinook, but I would say it more than makes up for it being able to deliver 20 ton light vehicles that the Chinook simply couldn't carry.


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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  Sujoy on Mon May 13, 2013 5:14 am

    This is all that you need .


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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  eridan on Mon May 13, 2013 6:28 am

    it is really quite simple. there is a statistical prediction of number of missions of any given type.
    some missions are doable with 5 ton helicopters, some with 10 ton helos, some with 20 ton helos, some with 50 ton helos.

    if there are something like 50% missions that are doable with 5 ton helos, 30% with 10 ton helos, 15% with 20 ton helos and 5% with 50 ton helos - you will tailor your helicopter fleet accordingly.

    If the whole helo fleet does 30 missions per year where 50 ton helicopter is needed, you will buy only one such helicopter. If it's something more like 300 missions, you'll probably need 2, or even 3.

    To have a 50 ton helicopter which 95% of the missions carries just a tenth of its payload would be a collosal waste of money, overall, especially in large fleets.

    That is why there is less than 100 surviving mi-26 helos in the world, out of 300+ produced ones. And majority of those in use are in civilian companies or non-army goverment services, not in proper armed serviced around the world. It is a great airlifter for those few missions that require it, but even in civilian world there is seldom need for such a huge helicopter and number of military missions that require such a helicopter is really quite small.

    Mi-26 is great for what it is, but it is also very much a niche helicopter.

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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 14, 2013 4:46 am

    Could say the same about the C-5 Galaxy, the point is that the Mi-26 allows you to do some things that no other helicopter could manage.

    In the west airborne forces are very lightly equipped and the idea of a force that is parachuted behind enemy lines is almost gone in the west because such a light force is vulnerable and not very mobile and vulnerable to enemy air defences.

    The Russian VDV however is fully mechanised so you take it behind enemy lines and land a large force in the middle of nowhere... where air defences are poor... with a western force that makes them useless, but a VDV force in BMDs can then drive 40-50kms and attack an enemy airfield. The enemy airfield will not have large powerful ground forces defending it... it is well in the enemy rear... it will likely have some air defence and a security detail... against which a vdv force will be a very serious danger. Once the VDV have captured the airfield they can fly in heavy armour and equipment to fight off any enemy attempt to recapture the air field.

    Dropping off supplies is one thing, but flying in or out an armoured vehicle is another... VDV vehicles are more than 12 tons, but less than 20 tons, so one helo could manage and one would not.

    Having a larger capacity transport like the Halo or the An-124 give you flexibility... if you need to move lighter loads then there will be plenty of smaller and lighter helos for that job.


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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue May 14, 2013 8:41 am

    Mi-26 cant be really compared to the Chinook. Its more like a skycrane with internal storage capability.

    however why haven't the Russians developed a helicopter that has a payload similar to the Chinook for carrying smaller loads?

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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 15, 2013 4:34 am

    The Mi-6 Hook carries 12 ton payloads...



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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed May 15, 2013 6:23 am

    GarryB wrote:The Mi-6 Hook carries 12 ton payloads...

    is it still in service?

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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 15, 2013 8:58 pm

    Not in Russian service anymore... it was first built in the early 1960s and production ended about the early 1980s.

    Quite widely used in military and civilian roles, but now largely replaced by the Mi-26 in the heavy lift and sky crane roles.


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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  TR1 on Wed May 15, 2013 9:04 pm

    Russia has no need for a Chinook class helo.
    Mi-8 does most utility roles, and anything bigger is handled by Mi-26.
    Light helos is where there has been some major domestic gaps.

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    Re: Mi-26 Halo vs CH-47 Chinook

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 15, 2013 9:12 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Hi all, hoping to see what peoples views are. On previous forums ive been they have mostly been in favour of the Chinook mainly due to versatility, agility, and less bulky size, some even say its cheaper to maintain and run. If you were to have a heavy transport helicopter for your forces what would you choose and why?????????? any views welcome.

    me personally i would go for the mi 26 halo, due the extra capacity, better range, and how many times has a mi 26 halo helped out various forces around the world when there current helicoptors i.e chinook havent been able to carry out the task, one that springs to mind the recovery of a chinook. Having flown on a chinook and experienced what it can do, i still would go for the Mi 26 halo, and this isnt me being biased being on Russian military forum.


    The question is somewhat poor and misguided...

    It is like asking, "what is better, a hammer or a screw-driver" it all depends on whether you need to hammer a nail or screw a screw...

    One might ask, "what is better, the BMP-2 or the T-72" it depends on whether you need to transport a squad of infantry across a battlefield with some level of protection or whether you need a tank for armored/maneuver combat.


    Different tools for different jobs... In terms of sheer lifting potential/ability, the Mi-26 is definitely superior, but that's only way to measure the usefulness of a helicopter/aircraft.



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