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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:26 pm


    Tsavo Lion wrote:.....

    Oh you mean SOLD us military equipment? Pardon your extremely limited vocabulary.

    Everything you mentioned we purchased for money.

    As for MiGs they had option of dumping some old ones to block competition from selling us something different or risk going against other suppliers and losing another market slice.

    Were Russians "sending arms and military help" to Chinese and Indians when they were selling them jets and AA systems?

    Given Russian track record I don't want them helping us, thanks but no thanks. Their "help" tends to amount to being swindled and thrown under the bus at first available opportunity.

    Strictly business with them, much safer that way.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:43 pm

    Even if true, who else would sell similar arms to Serbia, & at those or lower prices? At least ur gov. didn't say "no thanks", since it knows that it's better than nothing.
    I doubt the Serbs will find any closer friends anywhere.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:35 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Even if true, who else would sell similar arms to Serbia, & at those or lower prices? At least ur gov. didn't say "no thanks", since it knows that it's better than nothing.
    I doubt the Serbs will find any closer friends anywhere.

    We have entire planet to pick from (and we already do): French missiles, European helicopters​, Chinese UAVs, Israeli comms, etc

    Russians stuff is predominantly mid to low quality gear with suspiciously steep prices for what it does

    Plus we make most of our weapons since forever

    This isn't some Middle East or Central Asian sh*thole that Russians are accustomed to dealing with

    Besides, if we ever wanted to get loads of weapons for free (and damn good ones) all we have to bring is rubber stamp sanctions on Russia and watch the merchandise come pouring in

    We don't do it because we opt not to (and are getting loads of crap for it routinely) but that's our choice

    So the way I see it it's Russians who will have hard time finding closer friends than Serbs not other way around because being friends with them gives you next to nothing while ditching them brings hell of a lot

    Still we choose not to ditch them


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:53 am

    Because those who make decisions r a lot smarter than u! All u can do is to bitch about it here.
    Serbia will get in huge debts with Western arms. The West doesn't do anything for free or w/o some benefit- free cheese is only in a mouse trap.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:38 am

    Yes you can because while it's God given right of every Greenlander to live in glorified zoo without​ any hope for future and with record suicide rates all in the name of Gaia the goddess of Earth​, most Serbs would look into alternatives after a while

    Funny you say that because Serbia is trapped in its own zoo surrounded by NATO and EU zoo keepers who probably have other ideas for the land you currently live on. It is only a matter of time before Serbia enters NATO and the EU an starts drinking the bottled water... Monsanto brand I believe...

    Interesting that you think you know enough about Greenland to be able to tell them what they should or should not be doing.

    Oh really? Russians sent us arms and military help?

    Holy sh*t, what a turn of events!!! When did this happen, I must have missed it?

    Of course... when the west wanted to crush serbia for all that genocide it was Russia that opened the gate for them and told them to have at it...

    Given Russian track record I don't want them helping us, thanks but no thanks. Their "help" tends to amount to being swindled and thrown under the bus at first available opportunity.

    Strictly business with them, much safer that way.

    No friends, just interests... so American, but lets just ignore their situation at the time and the limits of what they could or could not do.

    We have entire planet to pick from (and we already do): French missiles, European helicopters​, Chinese UAVs, Israeli comms, etc

    And why not, I am sure those french missiles and european helicopters are made by the same people that so recently bombed you for your terrible crimes against humanity.... you know... being friends with Russia, but clearly they have cured you of that sin and you are going to be a good bitch now.

    Russians stuff is predominantly mid to low quality gear with suspiciously steep prices for what it does

    Generalisations are always accurate.

    Plus we make most of our weapons since forever

    It is how you beat NATO isn't it?

    This isn't some Middle East or Central Asian sh*thole that Russians are accustomed to dealing with

    Of course, you are so proud you think Russia didn't save you when you took on all of NATO so Russia can go fuck itself and you will be on your own like a martyr taking on all evil in the world that you now realise is not America, but those who oppose their will because it is just easier to give up... eh Greenland?

    Besides, if we ever wanted to get loads of weapons for free (and damn good ones) all we have to bring is rubber stamp sanctions on Russia and watch the merchandise come pouring in

    Damn gay ones I think you meant if you mean American second hand 40 year old F-16s but with no air to air missiles because you are not a reliable ally yet... just a useful idiot.


    We don't do it because we opt not to (and are getting loads of crap for it routinely) but that's our choice

    Where does your martyrdom end? Maybe you should come out and admit to sucking uncle sam dick and gobble down all that protein like a two bit whore...

    So the way I see it it's Russians who will have hard time finding closer friends than Serbs not other way around because being friends with them gives you next to nothing while ditching them brings hell of a lot

    Still we choose not to ditch them

    Clearly you mean we as in serbia when you say not ditching them because you personally already called all their equipment crap and western equipment damn good, so you are whoring yourself, just not your country yet.

    Go on... let go... you clearly want to.

    Serbia will get in huge debts with Western arms.

    Serbia is surrounded by NATO and the EU, what they should do is join the EU and then say that because they are part of the EU then NATO cannot be a threat, so if you don't join NATO you don't have to spend 2% on defence... you could disband your military and use the money saved on investing in infrastucture and hospitals and schools and shame the rest of europe to spend more money on their own people instead of funding a military organisation used by the US to invade and intimidate around the world... if you are not part of NATO I doubt Russia could care less if you joined the EU so your relations with them should be fine.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:22 pm

    Bitching about Russia from Serbs takes the cake for thick and rich BS. Back in 1998 Russia was imploding thanks to comprador Yeltsin's fellatio of yanqui economics gurus.
    It was in no position to save itself let alone save some isolated Balkan state. However, the gang rape of Serbia by NATO in March of 1999 helped to crystalize the Russian
    military into action leading to the installation of Putin and the unseating of Yeltsin. But Serbia's treatment at the hands of NATO was not the only factor and the economic
    meltdown in 1998 facilitated by Yeltson's GKO Ponzi racket was the primary factor.

    As of now Serbia is no longer Russia's friend but some EU appendage. Russia has no obligations to Serbia and expects nothing from it. Russia is already surrounded
    by demented idiots in the Baltics, Banderastan and slimier slime farther out (Poland, Bulgaria). It is vastly better not to have any friends at all than to have resentful,
    backstabbing "friends" such as those. They latched their carts to yanqui imperialists, so now let the yanquis feed them. When the yanquis finally sink into the quicksand
    of their own exceptionalist shit, then Russia should give a swift boot to the face of these grovelling chihuahuas as they try worm their way back in Russia's good graces.
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    Post  Azi on Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:31 pm

    Bullshit! Russia and Serbia have a close historic relation, not of religion or culture, because other countries are closer to Russia or otherwise Serbia. The relation results from the same enemies and from endless fights against these enemies. It dates back to the fight for serbian independence from the Ottoman Empire, at the same time the Russian Empire fought the Ottoman Empire. So Serbia and Russia were many times brothers in arms and yes the culture is close. This relation is so close, that many Serbs voluntary fighting for Russia in Ukraine now and a lot of Russians were fighting for Serbia during the 90ies.

    Russia was in the 90ies not able to defend Serbia and we know it! But the aggression was not coming from Russia, the aggression was from "our friends" in USA and western europe.

    Serbs love their independance and they will never be licking and kissing the arse of Russia, like Poland is now kissing and licking the arse of USA. A membership in the EU would be good for Serbia. But it would be good for Russia too, that would be the trojanic horse inside the EU or let's write it positive the bridge between EU and russia thumbsup Serbia does not forget his true friends Wink
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:....Of course... when the west wanted to crush serbia for all that genocide it was Russia that opened the gate for them and told them to have at it....

    Now you are getting warmer  thumbsup

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    GarryB wrote:....admit to sucking uncle sam dick and gobble down all that protein like a two bit whore...

    ...you are going to be a good bitch now.....

    Yeah, I'm not falling for another ban-bait again

    Look elsewhere this time



    GarryB wrote:....It is only a matter of time before Serbia enters NATO and the EU an starts drinking the bottled water... Monsanto brand I believe...

    Interesting that you think you know enough about Greenland to be able to tell them what they should or should not be doing.

    Location: New Zealand
     

    So how is that visa application process for one of those commie utopias going?

    Or is Starbucks Socialism still go-to ideology in rogue states such as New Zealand? Cool

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:14 pm

    In 1999, during an operation off Yugoslavia, Kursk covertly surveilled the US Navy warship Theodore Roosevelt, whose planes were bombing Yugoslavia. During this time, Kursk completed five simulated attacks on the Roosevelt, all of which were successful.
    https://02varvara.wordpress.com/tag/submarine/

    If it hadn't operated there, the USN/NATO would've most probably bombed more targets.
    Details & theories:
    http://www.pravdareport.com/society/121163-kursk_submarine/

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/623623/posts
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:38 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:In 1999, during an operation off Yugoslavia, Kursk covertly surveilled the US Navy warship Theodore Roosevelt, whose planes were bombing Yugoslavia. During this time, Kursk completed five simulated attacks on the Roosevelt, all of which were successful.

    Simulated? Awesome  thumbsup

    And successful as well, who knew?  lol1

    You know what they say, you can't fail if you just stick with simulation.



    Tsavo Lion wrote:...If it hadn't operated there, the USN/NATO would've most probably bombed more targets.  

    Carriers were irrelevant, almost everything was done with land based aviation



    Tsavo Lion wrote:Details & theories:
    http://www.pravdareport.com/society/121163-kursk_submarine/

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/623623/posts

    Ah yes, theories.

    Sum of all Russian military accomplishments until maybe couple years ago (final evaluation pending) Razz russia  


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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:54 pm

    Papa Dragon doesn't speak for the vast majority of Serbs...some points he makes are true but overall he is delusional

    Maybe we should start a separate topic in the appropriate part of the forum instead of derailing this one
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:34 pm

    Carriers were irrelevant, almost everything was done with land based aviation
    still, the Kursk was in harms way for the Serbs, & it also served the RF interests to monitor & keep the 6th Fleet in the crosshairs. After the VMF get bases in Libya, the C. Med. Sea & entrance to the Adriatic will be the next potential AD2 zone.
    As Slavs, I hope the Serbs won't become economic & mil. slaves to EU/NATO. Population  • 2019 estimate 6,963,764 (excluding Kosovo)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia#Demographics
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:10 am

    Now you are getting warmer

    Of course... because Russia didn't start WWIII over Kosovo they are your worst enemy... worse than the actual countries that actually bombed you and humiliated you internationally... right.

    Yeah, I'm not falling for another ban-bait again

    Look elsewhere this time

    I admit I am not proud of that comment and apologise because I now think I went too far.

    It was certainly not an attempt to bait you. I don't like banning anyone, and have not actually banned many members during my time as a mod here.

    There are no set hard and fast rules on bans... if I really wanted to any of the temporary bans I have given could easily have just been permanent bans, but if I can help it I would rather not ban at all... however rules are rules.

    Location: New Zealand

    So how is that visa application process for one of those commie utopias going?

    Or is Starbucks Socialism still go-to ideology in rogue states such as New Zealand?

    Yup, New Zealand... not the US of A, so when friends talk about getting gas from the gas station I correct them and tell them their cars are not converted to run on LPG. In sport I also notice rugby commentators now talk of conference play instead of pool play which I didn't really understand until I found out that American Grid Iron has teams in conferences rather than in pools, which I am also resisting openly... because I am not now and have no wish for any time in the future to be assimilated by the Borg.

    You have clearly given up, and I am quite sad for you because that is how they get you. Social conditioning... aren't you a school teacher? I guess they have to convert you first because you will be teaching the next generation of serb boys and girls about the 5 genders and how homosexual relationships are just as valid... homo is a curse word now unless you are a homo and then it is a word of empowerment...

    Carriers were irrelevant, almost everything was done with land based aviation

    Wow, you know that but still think it is all Russias fault for telling your government that they can't win and to give up will reduce the suffering of their people and thinking they would be part of a UN peacekeeping force to ensure peace on the ground. They were probably as surprised as you were when they got screwed on that, but lets blame them for that too, because obviously they should have known everything well in advance anyway.

    Papa Dragon doesn't speak for the vast majority of Serbs...some points he makes are true but overall he is delusional

    Maybe we should start a separate topic in the appropriate part of the forum instead of derailing this one

    Two good points... when someone has stockholm syndrome and has attachment feelings to the people who kidnapped them and brutalised them, while having hostile feelings towards friends who couldn't help them at the time for not saving them from the whole experience... and I will move these posts too.

    As Slavs, I hope the Serbs won't become economic & mil. slaves to EU/NATO.

    They work their best magic on the young, who believe their BS...
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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:25 pm

    That NATO can leverage resentment against Russia tells me all I need to know. Russia does not need such phony Slav "brothers". Let them wallow in
    in their resentment while getting it in all orifices from Uncle Scumbag.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:29 am

    Indeed, with friends who can turn on you so quickly and easily without trying to understand why things happen that happened... such friends can't really be called friends.

    And I really don't agree with the western definition either... a friend is a country that will back you up even after you brutally dismember and murder someone... no, I don't think so.

    The US backing the UK or vice versa no matter what is stupid and self defeating... lowering the standards and totally ruining any moral high ground you might ever claim to be on at any one time.

    If America was a good friend to the UK they would tell them they need actual evidence regarding the Skripal case before they start kicking out diplomats and calling for sanctions. Highly likely will just leave you with egg on your face internationally.... if I was Russia, I would be demanding apologies and compensation...

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