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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:50 pm

    Can anyone id this vehicle?


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:10 pm

    Arctic_Fox wrote:Can anyone id this vehicle?



    CAN AM Commander MAX MTV. This should be the XT model.

    http://can-am.brp.com/off-road/side-by-side/commander.html
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:37 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Arctic_Fox wrote:Can anyone id this vehicle?



    CAN AM Commander MAX MTV. This should be the XT model.

    http://can-am.brp.com/off-road/side-by-side/commander.html

    Thank you Kotemore Very Happy

    Hope that Russia one day produce such vehicle class, im sure Stels can do it.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  franco on Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:32 pm

    Russian Airborne recon have similar type vehicles ^^^. Pictures were posted on here somewhere over the past couple of years.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:19 pm

    GAZ-39371 "Vodnik" in Syria



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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:47 pm

    Arctic_Fox wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:......

    CAN AM Commander MAX MTV. This should be the XT model.

    http://can-am.brp.com/off-road/side-by-side/commander.html

    Thank you Kotemore Very Happy

    Hope that Russia one day produce such vehicle class, im sure Stels can do it.

    Stels already does and I have seen at least two more manufacturers with similar products. It's just that this particular unit is using these models.

    Russian military is more into ATVs, snowmobiles and dirt bikes than buggies.



    George1 wrote:GAZ-39371 "Vodnik" in Syria

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    Excellent. These things were not up to standard for RU military but this way they can offload them and put them to use.

    I see some Typhoon and Boomerang contracts in the near future.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:43 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Arctic_Fox wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:......

    CAN AM Commander MAX MTV. This should be the XT model.

    http://can-am.brp.com/off-road/side-by-side/commander.html

    Thank you Kotemore Very Happy

    Hope that Russia one day produce such vehicle class, im sure Stels can do it.

    Stels already does and I have seen at least two more manufacturers with similar products. It's just that this particular unit is using these models.

    Russian military is more into ATVs, snowmobiles and dirt bikes than buggies.



    George1 wrote:GAZ-39371 "Vodnik" in Syria

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    Excellent. These things were not up to standard for RU  military but this way they can offload them and put them to use.

    I see some Typhoon and Boomerang contracts in the near future.

    In fact I do not think the Vodnik has been in the Russian Armed Forces (yes in the Security Forces). The alone doubt is with some Spetznaz unit of the transfered to the Army, but I do not think the Vodnik were included in the transference and entered in the Russian Armed Forces this way, despite some reports.

    Between the recent vehicles, the alone with confirmed presence in the Russian Armed Forces would be:

    GAZ 2330 Tigr
    Iveco LMV
    UAZ 3163 Patriot

    While the rest would have not been included until now:

    GAZ 3937 Vodnik
    KAMAZ 43269 BPM-97 Vystrel
    Skorpion 2M
    Trecol 39294
    Typhoon 4x4
    Falkatus


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Militarov on Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:54 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    While the rest would have not been included until now:

    GAZ 3937 Vodnik
    KAMAZ 43269 BPM-97 Vystrel
    Skorpion 2M
    Trecol 39294
    Typhoon 4x4
    Falkatus

    GAZ 3937 Vodnik and BPM-97 Vystrel have been already seen in Syria used by Syrians.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:28 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    While the rest would have not been included until now:

    GAZ 3937 Vodnik
    KAMAZ 43269 BPM-97 Vystrel
    Skorpion 2M
    Trecol 39294
    Typhoon 4x4
    Falkatus

    GAZ 3937 Vodnik and BPM-97 Vystrel have been already seen in Syria used by Syrians.

    Likely the units come from Russian security forces (like border guard,...) and not from military forces.

    It is likely that all the units of both go to Syria, since there can be considered for combat roles as semiarmoured vehicles, while Russian security forces would move forward to newer types and maybe to units of vehicles retired from the Russian Armed forces (BRDM-2,...)
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:38 pm

    The GAZ 3937 Vodnik was accepted into the Russian Armed Forces in limited numbers for recon but was then given to the Strategic Rocket Forces as escort vehicles for the mobile Topol units. They are being replaced by Tigrs and BTR-82's.

    It was reported that there were also some BPM-97 Vystrel accepted into the Armed Forces but I have never seen any proof of that. Have seen them with Border units only.
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    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:30 pm

    franco wrote:The GAZ 3937 Vodnik was accepted into the Russian Armed Forces in limited numbers for recon but was then given to the Strategic Rocket Forces as escort vehicles for the mobile Topol units. They are being replaced by Tigrs and BTR-82's.

    It was reported that there were also some BPM-97 Vystrel accepted into the Armed Forces but I have never seen any prove of that. Have seen them with Border units only.  

    I found in reliable sources that the Bulat 6x6 apc (developed from the BPM-97) accepted for the Russian Armed Forces in 2012, and later deployed doing this role of scort for the Strategic Rocket Forces.

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/a2targets/data/ic_nomenrussiaa2targets/23/

    But I found not the same evidence for the Vodnik or the BPM-97 4x4. In fact what I found would be evidence of non acceptance.

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/a2targets/data/ic_nomenrussiaa2targets/7/

    Like you can see the source includes many variants, a good number of them reached not the Russian Armed Forces.

    There is not doubt that some decens of units of both were produced, but I found not official reports about its acceptance, delivery or service inside de Russian Armed Forces (yes in the case of non military security forces). In the case of the Vodnik a good number of them were delivered to Uruguay. In the case of the BPM-97 it were agreements with Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan that surely were not totally successful.

    If you can provide some link proving other thing, it would be interesting to see.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:27 pm

    I have seen Russian Armed Forces news video's showing the Vodnik escorting the Topol's while they were in field deployments. In fact I think one of them was linked here somewhere but not sure where.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:53 pm

    I seem to remember this image posted showing a deployment of Vodniks to Chechnia or Dagestan or perhaps it was South Ossetia.



    And this image is the strategic rocket forces Vodnik mentioned I think:



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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:58 pm

    ^You took them right out of my head. Suspect

    Have never figured out how to do attachments out of that computer Laughing
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:30 am


    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:44 am

    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:36 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:29 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?

    With Vodnik? Right...well....yeah, because police doesnt have any regular patrol cars, mindblown.

    Also its not "security forces", only regular Police is requested to escort such columns if they are passing residental or civilian areas/roads. Other units got jack shit to do with column escort. Most of the time its not even regular police but MP. Regular civilian police is there only and just to clear the path and deal with possible issues in traffic. You know i kinda was myself in at least 10 columns like this and guess what... it was Peugeot 306 leading column not BOV M-86.

    Seriously do you sit whole day and try to think of most retarded questions in history?
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:16 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?

    With Vodnik? Right...well....yeah, because police doesnt have any regular patrol cars, mindblown.

    Also its not "security forces", only regular Police is requested to escort such columns if they are passing residental or civilian areas/roads. Other units got jack shit to do with column escort. Most of the time its not even regular police but MP. Regular civilian police is there only and just to clear the path and deal with possible issues in traffic. You know i kinda was myself in at least 10 columns like this and guess what... it was Peugeot 306 leading column not BOV M-86.

    Seriously do you sit whole day and try to think of most retarded questions in history?

    You have zero evidence of this Vodnik being in the Russian Armed Forces. That is all.

    Russian security forces are not like the security forces in the West. You know perfectly well that Security Forces under the President (some) and the minister of Interior (others), have important amounts of military equipment. They had not only Vodniks or BPM-97, there are reports of how they had 20 D-30, 18 2S9, 247 BMP-1, 20 Mi-24/25/35, 30 Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35, 245 BMP-2, 1050 BTR-80 and 12 2S1. Some of the Russian security forces have been and are very similar to military forces.

    Then make not as fatuous your reaction, because you know perfectly well what we are talking about.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:07 pm

    Russia will start testing a new unmanned version of its Tigr armored car, equipped with a 30-millimeter automatic gun, this year, CEO of the vehicle’s developer Military Industrial Company LCC (VPK) Alexander Krasovitsky told Sputnik.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201702201050853171-russia-tigr-unmanned-car/


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:46 pm

    "Tiger-M" with combat modules BMDU "Arbalet-DM" in the troops

    Protected cars AMN-233114 "Tiger-M" with remote combat remote-controlled modules BMDU "Arbalet-DM" in the combat unit of the Southern Military District of the Armed Forces of Russia.

    BMDU "Arbalet-DM" was developed by OOO "Armory Workshops" (Shchelkovo, Moscow region) and serially produced by OJSC "Kovrov Electromechanical Plant" (Kovrov, Vladimir region). Modules were started by serial delivery to the Ministry of Defense of Russia in 2016.



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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:33 pm

    So the Russians have gone the Classic way and separated sight and gun body. Nice.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:30 am

    There is a reason why buggies are unarmored Smile And there is sure as Hell reason why M50 Ontos is not around anymore too Very Happy

    You are always so quick to criticise...

    Do you know what it is for?

    Ontos is not around any more because man portable Metis is superior in every way... but again what does that have to do with this vehicle?


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    Post  Militarov on Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:08 am

    GarryB wrote:
    There is a reason why buggies are unarmored Smile And there is sure as Hell reason why M50 Ontos is not around anymore too Very Happy

    You are always so quick to criticise...

    Do you know what it is for?

    Ontos is not around any more because man portable Metis is superior in every way... but again what does that have to do with this vehicle?

    So lets get armored buggies so they cant anymore be used for what they are intended, and lets weld mean looking tubes to them to be useless balast. Lets call it... super secret Russian buggy.

    Enlight us please, what it is for, i am dying to hear. Mindstorm and kvs must have leaked you some info directly from Kremlin lol1
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:21 am

    Enlight us please, what it is for, i am dying to hear. Mindstorm and kvs must have leaked you some info directly from Kremlin

    That is the point... we don't know what it is for.

    Someone mentioned the open framed dune buggy type vehicles, but that was really just speculation.

    If this was for use in the desert as a dune buggy type vehicle then obvious problems include the fact that it looks like a single seater and that the armour plate seems inadequate and contradictory to the purpose of such light fast vehicles.

    Perhaps the enclosed nature of the vehicle hints that it might not be intended for hot climates like deserts and could be intended for colder wetter climates where an external shell body offers protection from cold and wet conditions... but the fact that it is a single seat vehicle is still a problem for most missions...

    When I first saw it I immediately thought it was a WWII but then still the problem... who is going to operate it... a single seat vehicle is not practical for much except things with suicide in the title.

    Makes me suspect that it is more for a computer game than a real vehicle.

    A two sea tandem model could be fitted with an ATGM setup, but I really don't see it... perhaps an arm that raises a four barrel launcher for Kornet and the optics to guide it to maybe 3-4 metres... but a Tigr is much better for that...


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