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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:33 am

    Russia continues to buy Iveco LMV armored cars from Italy

    Despite sanctions Russia continues to buy 4WD tactical Italian-made Iveco LMVs (Light Multirole Vehicle). They are currently being used in the conflict in Syria. Why is the West continuing to sell Russia vehicles that do not feature dual capabilities, but are instead exclusively used for military purposes? RBTH decided to investigate.

    There are many photographs on the internet showing Russian soldiers in Syria next to an Iveco LMV. The Italian armored car can be seen on the runway at Khmeimim Air Base, among military convoys on Syria's roads and even as part of the escort for Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft weapon systems. Soldiers from the Syrian armed forces also like having their photos taken in front of it.

    The adventures of Italian vehicles in Russia

    The Iveco LMV, along with its adopted name Lince (Lynx, 'Rys'), have acquired a very mixed reputation in Russia and are closely associated with the unpopular former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov. After being dismissed, Serdyukov was implicated in a corruption scheme and came to be criticized by the military for his poorly conceived and radical reforms, as well as his “Westernization” drive in military equipment procurement. As a result of his actions, the Russian armed forces possess Israeli drones and Italian armored cars; the former minister of defense is also responsible for the infamous contracts to buy Mistral helicopter carriers from France. The Italians, as has recently been shown, are seemingly more consistent in their foreign policy than the French. The Iveco supply contract, which initially appeared to be highly problematic, ultimately outlived all other procurement initiatives from Serdyukov’s tenure.

    The story continues


    The sale of the Iveco LMV armored cars were not hindered by Western sanctions, which prohibited the supply of not only Russian military equipment, but also dual-use technologies. This is because the contract for the sale of these vehicles was signed before the introduction of the sanctions, therefore they are not covered by them.

    The vehicles are being purchased by a company called Garnizon, which was previously known as Oboronservis, but changed its name following the corruption scandal associated with the dismissal of Serdyukov. According to the company's annual report for last year, 81 Lynx assembly kits were imported into Russia in 2014 and another 94 were due to be delivered in 2015.

    In 2015, according to tender documents published on electronic platforms, Russia's defense forces should receive 356 LMVs between mid-2015 and mid-2016.

    All of the assembled vehicles go to one of the Ministry of Defense's reserve pools, from where some of the vehicles apparently have ended up in Syria. Their unsuitability there for washed-out or snow-covered roads is less of a factor, but their advantages – such as offering good protection for crews against roadside land mines – are very much in demand.

    http://rbth.com/defence/2016/01/25/russia-continues-to-buy-iveco-lmv-armored-cars-from-italy_562027


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:51 am

    George1 wrote:Russia continues to buy Iveco LMV armored cars from Italy

    Despite sanctions Russia continues to buy 4WD tactical Italian-made Iveco LMVs (Light Multirole Vehicle). They are currently being used in the conflict in Syria. Why is the West continuing to sell Russia vehicles that do not feature dual capabilities, but are instead exclusively used for military purposes? RBTH decided to investigate.

    There are many photographs on the internet showing Russian soldiers in Syria next to an Iveco LMV. The Italian armored car can be seen on the runway at Khmeimim Air Base, among military convoys on Syria's roads and even as part of the escort for Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft weapon systems. Soldiers from the Syrian armed forces also like having their photos taken in front of it.

    The adventures of Italian vehicles in Russia

    The Iveco LMV, along with its adopted name Lince (Lynx, 'Rys'), have acquired a very mixed reputation in Russia and are closely associated with the unpopular former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov. After being dismissed, Serdyukov was implicated in a corruption scheme and came to be criticized by the military for his poorly conceived and radical reforms, as well as his “Westernization” drive in military equipment procurement. As a result of his actions, the Russian armed forces possess Israeli drones and Italian armored cars; the former minister of defense is also responsible for the infamous contracts to buy Mistral helicopter carriers from France. The Italians, as has recently been shown, are seemingly more consistent in their foreign policy than the French. The Iveco supply contract, which initially appeared to be highly problematic, ultimately outlived all other procurement initiatives from Serdyukov’s tenure.

    The story continues


    The sale of the Iveco LMV armored cars were not hindered by Western sanctions, which prohibited the supply of not only Russian military equipment, but also dual-use technologies. This is because the contract for the sale of these vehicles was signed before the introduction of the sanctions, therefore they are not covered by them.

    The vehicles are being purchased by a company called Garnizon, which was previously known as Oboronservis, but changed its name following the corruption scandal associated with the dismissal of Serdyukov. According to the company's annual report for last year, 81 Lynx assembly kits were imported into Russia in 2014 and another 94 were due to be delivered in 2015.

    In 2015, according to tender documents published on electronic platforms, Russia's defense forces should receive 356 LMVs between mid-2015 and mid-2016.

    All of the assembled vehicles go to one of the Ministry of Defense's reserve pools, from where some of the vehicles apparently have ended up in Syria. Their unsuitability there for washed-out or snow-covered roads is less of a factor, but their advantages – such as offering good protection for crews against roadside land mines – are very much in demand.

    http://rbth.com/defence/2016/01/25/russia-continues-to-buy-iveco-lmv-armored-cars-from-italy_562027

    Wait... havent these deliveries being halted when Tigr entered mass production and original contract for 350+ Ivecos was completed in mid 2014. Russians even gave away some of them to Syrians which looks like they are trying to get rid of them. This article does not make much sense to me to be honest.

    "Oleg Bochkarev, deputy chairman of the Russian Military-Industrial Commission, told the news agency that Moscow does not plan more output of the Italian-licensed light multipurpose vehicles for the Ministry of Defence. "We have declined further production of these vehicles, and under current conditions this would generally be, I think, impossible," he said." - 12 November 2014

    "In 2015, according to tender documents published on electronic platforms, Russia's defense forces should receive 356 LMVs between mid-2015 and mid-2016." - id like to see this document if someone spots it share with us.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:49 am

    Either way it does not hurt to have a reserve of vehicles with such capabilities for use in places where their problems are minimised.

    They would be rather useful in places like Syria, and indeed Iraq.

    Another option would be to sell any remaining vehicles to Iran... I am sure they could use them too... but if the Syrians find them useful then it makes sense to send as many as needed there... there is no point in splitting them up into small batches as that will make spares support more complicated...

    They weren't bad vehicles and likely were very useful as an example to Russian vehicle developers... even if there are ideas they can't use it is useful to see different solutions to problems and be able to test how they perform.


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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:56 am

    May I ask is the price [that Russia paid] of these LM equal to their capability ?

    Or this contract is similar to Mistral, that Russia bought overpriced Mistral to compensate for France's lost to Soyuz in Gallileo project ?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:09 am

    higurashihougi wrote:May I ask is the price [that Russia paid] of these LM equal to their capability ?

    Or this contract is similar to Mistral, that Russia bought overpriced Mistral to compensate for France's lost to Soyuz in Gallileo project ?

    Russia has paid the LMV's at their mid-range specs but with the "top protection" (about 225K Euros). The Infamous Ukrainian contract for 90 vehicles at top spec was at 41 million (about 450K/Vehicle).

    In comparison, the nearest "competitor" of the LMV, MATV mod2 costs upwards 700K US (Saudi contract). So basically the price (IMO) is very good.

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:21 pm

    Now that's what i call Arctic camo. Smile

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    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:54 pm

    The new Russian «Falcatus» armored car spotted during an operation in Dagestan. The new armored futuristic-looking personnel carrier designed for the country’s special forces.



    http://defence-blog.com/news/falcatus-armored-car-spotted-during-an-operation-in-south-russias-dagestan.html


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    Post  George1 on Tue May 03, 2016 11:09 pm

    Armored Iveco LMV ("Lynx") in the 22th Special Purpose Brigade

    Τoday [3 May 2016] in Rostov-on-Don Parade rehearsal on occasion of Victory Day was first demonstrated armored vehicles "Lynx" [Iveco LMV]. These armored cars are in service with 22-th Guards special purpose brigade stationed near Rostov-on-Don.





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    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 04, 2016 12:24 am

    I dunno why they bother to keep that piece of shit. Just give it to Novorussian forces or Syrian forces and be done with it, and continue to make Tiger's. Another curse from the fifth columnists in Russia.
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    Post  Project Canada on Wed May 04, 2016 1:51 am

    what happened to the Volk? is it still under trials or was it cancelled?
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    Post  Militarov on Wed May 04, 2016 7:40 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I dunno why they bother to keep that piece of shit.  Just give it to Novorussian forces or Syrian forces and be done with it, and continue to make Tiger's.  Another curse from the fifth columnists in Russia.

    Well vehicles are new, they have certain amount of spares... i guess thats the logic behind keeping them. Also they might be waiting for bigger numbers of Tigr-M and later Volk to come. You are aware that Russians lack thousands of vehicles like this in their armed force still, despite fairly decent inflow during last 3-4 years.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 04, 2016 7:50 pm

    The LMV is not a bad vehicle. Yes it has flaws and yes it was still paid a lot (not as much as some others but you get the point). But it's still a good pick. It could be worse it could be a RDT Sherpa...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 04, 2016 9:50 pm


    LMV has much better armor than Tiger. Downside is poor off-road performance (notice the winches on those pics).

    That is why they give them to spec-ops, they would more often than not operate in urban environments. Also why they are used in Syria, no mud in the desert and Italians already gave them a good field test in Afghanistan.

    Volk is still not in production, Kamaz is dragging their ass with replacing Cummings engines with locals on that Typhoon 4x4 and there are really a lot of LMVs in stock so they might as well use what they have since they do not have any local equivalents.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 04, 2016 9:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    LMV has much better armor than Tiger. Downside is poor off-road performance (notice the winches on those pics).

    That is why they give them to spec-ops, they would more often than not operate in urban environments. Also why they are used in Syria, no mud in the desert and Italians already gave them a good field test in Afghanistan.

    Volk is still not in production, Kamaz is dragging their ass with replacing Cummings engines with locals on that Typhoon 4x4 and there are really a lot of LMVs in stock so they might as well use what they have since they do not have any local equivalents.

    Barely better protection when it comes to the core business.
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    Post  Militarov on Wed May 04, 2016 10:12 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    LMV has much better armor than Tiger. Downside is poor off-road performance (notice the winches on those pics).

    That is why they give them to spec-ops, they would more often than not operate in urban environments. Also why they are used in Syria, no mud in the desert and Italians already gave them a good field test in Afghanistan.

    Volk is still not in production, Kamaz is dragging their ass with replacing Cummings engines with locals on that Typhoon 4x4 and there are really a lot of LMVs in stock so they might as well use what they have since they do not have any local equivalents.

    Barely better protection when it comes to the core business.

    Protection in terms of firearms and shrapnels is similar. However Tigr has quite poor mine/IED protection, and that is where LMV shines.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 04, 2016 10:14 pm

    TigerM was supposed to fix that, hence why they stopped purchase of lmv
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    Post  Militarov on Wed May 04, 2016 10:19 pm

    sepheronx wrote:TigerM was supposed to fix that, hence why they stopped purchase of lmv

    Tigr-M improved it, yes, but its still not as good as LMVs protection in that aspect. But Tigr-M offers some other advantages.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 04, 2016 10:27 pm

    Seem that Scorpion offers good mine protection. No need for any of this Italian crap.

    Tiger-M was quite a solid vehicle and Volk looks much better, both using the newer YaMZ engines as well.
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    Post  Militarov on Wed May 04, 2016 10:41 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Seem that Scorpion offers good mine protection.  No need for any of this Italian crap.

    Tiger-M was quite a solid vehicle and Volk looks much better, both using the newer YaMZ engines as well.

    Skorpion LSHA-2B should have some degree of anti mine/IED protection but its main role is to be light transport/utility vehicle.

    Volk on other hand has potential to grow as great MRAPish vehicle. KAMAZ 53949 is something to look up too.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:43 pm

    New Modification of Tigr Armored Vehicles Tested in Russia

    The latest modifications of Russian-made Tigr all-terrain armored combat vehicle recently underwent a series of trials at the Arzamas Machinery Plant testing range.

    The Gaz-2330 Tigr (Tiger) is a family of Russian off-road vehicles, developed in the early 2000s and put into production in early 2004 at the Arzamas Machinery Plant, part of the Military-Industrial Company (VPK LLC). The vehicle is produced in a variety of configurations, and is available for both civilian and military use.



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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:09 am


    New version of Typhoon MRAP 4x4

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    Post  eehnie on Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:55 pm

    It is not surprising the low number of orders and deliveries for procurement of this type of vehicles. In the following years, I expect Russia to focus more in the procurement of infantry vehicles based on the armata, kuganets, bumerang, typhoon and BMD-4M platforms with some bulat APCs and new trucks with armoured cabins, to make a new fleet of infantry vehicles for contested areas.

    I expect it because the recently adopted vehicles of the cited new platforms meet the requirements for safety of the crews significantly better than the new models of light utility vehicles, and it makes them significantly better for contested areas.

    Also the Russian reserve of IFVs and APCs is satured. It is unlikely the accumulation of more vehicles after the production of new vehicles of the cited platforms, but also it is unlikely to see new scrappes like in early this decade. Then, I tend to think that Russia can consider the use of some of the likely future retirements, like the BRDM-2, for light utility vehicle roles (outside of contested areas).

    In practical terms it means that I think it would be more likely (as example) the replacement of the BRDM-2 by Bumerangs in combat units, and then the use of BRDM-2 as replacement of the exhausted light utility vehicles in the security forces or in other non-combat units, than to see the replacement of the BRDM-2 some of the new light utility vehicles in combat units.

    Note that I do not consider the Bulat SBA-60-K2 like a light utility vehicle since it is done using the chasis of the Kamaz 5350, and only externally would have some relation with the BPM-97. As we can see in the following source, it was adopted officially by the Russian Armed Forces in 2012, and like we can see in other sources which links we can find in the wikipedia page, 65 would have been ordered, with 30 likely delivered.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/a2targets/data/ic_nomenrussiaa2targets/23/&usg=ALkJrhizJM96kj6SSVUzz0JzovR5myQkuw

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulat_(APC)

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    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:18 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    New version of Typhoon MRAP 4x4


    Do you know the designation of this vehicle? Kamaz?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:21 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    New version of Typhoon MRAP 4x4


    Do you know the designation of this vehicle? Kamaz?

    It is Kamaz, same 4x4 model we saw before but this version is supposed to be fully localised without any import components.

    Folks online say this version is for paratroopers but it is all speculation for now.

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