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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:03 pm

    Tesla was to Balkanic for his own good. That can't be a "scientist". That's demi-god material. Nikola was a stubborn son of a gun, that had he been German or British would have probably a huge assed Konzern like the Krupps or the Enfields. Alas in true Serbian fashion, he stood true to his principles on sending to hell all the charlatans and not compromising for capital while others were getting rich with his work. Despite that he earned a lot of dough. But he just wasn't a manager and even less of a sidekick.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:37 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Cyrus the great wrote:

    Tesla is without a shadow of a doubt the greatest mind that has ever drawn breath, and the fact that he didn't get duly recognized demonstrates that the whole thing is rigged. It's meaningless, especially when Obama got one when he hadn't even done anything.

    No question about fact that he was great, one of the greatest in history for sure. I am proud by fact that my grand-grandmother was his mother cousin, which sort of makes us some far, far cousins Smile

    The system is rigged...hehe you guy's don't know the half of it! FFS the Nobel family is still butt-hurt over the fact that the Soviet's nationalized their oligarchical oil wealth in Russia, and the Nobel family has it's history financing the Bofors military industrial corporation, despite claims of Alfred Nobel becoming a pacifist after creating dynamite...talk about a rotten propagandist fable lol! lol1
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:45 am

    Werewolf wrote:Find me one fucking genius better than Tesla. His studies, work and scientific thesis and explorations have and are still moving forward concepts in modern technologies which took many decades after his death just to form the basis for such moving and future orientated thesis to actually work towards their realization/confirmation.

    There is a reason the newly born Soviets bought essentially every technical blueprint he ever created, and a reason Russia still experiments with his theories on a grand scale even today.

    Cyrus the great wrote:I'm just going to ignore the Americans from now on (because in addition to being ignorant, arrogant and obnoxious) they seem to be wrong about virtually everything. Thanks guys.

    I am forced to agree with this sentiment. The brainwashing that goes on in that country is extreme. It is exceptional when you find an American who can talk military without inflating US hardware to out of this world proportions. F-16.net, theaviationist, themess, etc. etc. pick your poison.

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    Post  Cyrus the great on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:11 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Cyrus the great wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:That isnt new claims. And this was discussed quite quite while before already.

    Apologies. I should have looked.

    Militarov wrote:

    Object 490 "Buntar" and Object 299.

    I looked up the information on these Soviet projects and seems that Soviet engineers (like Alexander Morozov) were thinking of using unmanned tanks as far back as the 1950s. The 1972 Izdelie 450 project was to feature an unmanned turret with the crew safely positioned in the hull. Thanks a lot, Militarov. thumbsup

    Damn, is there anything the American fanboys won't lie about?

    It's not lies per se. It's just the way they see it.

    If you want, for instance I had a very troublesome discussion regarding the viability or American style repeaters in European theatre. I got hit with the battle of Varna during the last Russo-Turkish war. According to an US/English legend, repeaters and volley fire would have been decisive in stalling the Russian attacks on Plevna/Pleven.

    While when you read the actual movement. There are instances where the repeaters did exactly the contrary. They created gaps in the rhythm of fire that allowed both Russians and Romanians to actually sap the Turkish defences and get closer. The fact that the battle ended by a three months old siege doesn't mean that the Turks were "winning", because basically they lost the battle and the war, because of Pleven. And the repeaters were NEVER seen again by any modern European force and even the Turks and later the Russians who tested them, went the good old bolt action route.

    Now for the US weapons aficionados, the truth is that repeaters were king of the hill. But from a military stand point, they were utterly expensive and ammo consuming, especially if you didn't hit. And everyone with a brain went for bolt actions. Including the US.

    Still repeaters were great for cavalary. However due to logistics most cavalary units in the world had to stick with shortened carabine bolt action rifles.

    Yeah until you had to reload...any repeater. And with the Enfield action, the large capacity Henry Martinis were a moot point. They were out ranged, out punched and out reloaded. And then there's the Lebel...

    Cyrus: Once again, it's not a lie if you believe in it. Honest to God, there's the hard belief in American Exceptionalism that goes really deep into how the US was made. And that's how the Americans see it. Then there's the trolls who know better.

    I used to be bothered by that, but thanks to guys like ArtjomH, I've settled down on the technical side of the deal. However the political side is something else.

    Anyway, I'm way off topic.

    I'm oddly amused by American attitudes. You can't even talk to them about the reasons for the 'revolutionary war'; you can't tell them that Britain's treaty with the indigenous people (a treaty that forbade westward expansion) was a conveniently omitted factor for the 'revolutionary' war -- a war that the Americans present as entirely righteous.

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    Post  Cyrus the great on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:11 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Cyrus the great wrote:

    Tesla is without a shadow of a doubt the greatest mind that has ever drawn breath, and the fact that he didn't get duly recognized demonstrates that the whole thing is rigged. It's meaningless, especially when Obama got one when he hadn't even done anything.

    No question about fact that he was great, one of the greatest in history for sure. I am proud by fact that my grand-grandmother was his mother cousin, which sort of makes us some far, far cousins Smile

    You seem to have a very good grasp of science, so you may actually have some of the intellectual aptitude that made Telsa the mental giant that he was. I actually cried when I first watched a documentary on Tesla when I was 17, because Tesla poured absolutely everything into science and was not accorded the recognition and respect that he so thoroughly deserved. He also died penniless. Tesla (not Einstein) should be synonymous with genius.

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    Western propaganda

    Post  Cyrus the great on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:26 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Find me one fucking genius better than Tesla. His studies, work and scientific thesis and explorations have and are still moving forward concepts in modern technologies which took many decades after his death just to form the basis for such moving and future orientated thesis to actually work towards their realization/confirmation.

    There is a reason the newly born Soviets bought essentially every technical blueprint he ever created, and a reason Russia still experiments with his theories on a grand scale even today.

    Cyrus the great wrote:I'm just going to ignore the Americans from now on (because in addition to being ignorant, arrogant and obnoxious) they seem to be wrong about virtually everything. Thanks guys.

    I am forced to agree with this sentiment. The brainwashing that goes on in that country is extreme. It is exceptional when you find an American who can talk military without inflating US hardware to out of this world proportions. F-16.net, theaviationist, themess, etc. etc. pick your poison.


    And the funny thing is that they think that their media is free of bias and propaganda when they are probably some of the biggest victims of propaganda in the world. Americans (the West in general) are masters of propaganda because they understand that it should be perceived as entirely independent from the center of power whereas non-Western countries commit the folly of creating State controlled media. Every major media outlet in the US is a corporate member of the Council on foreign relations (just like virtually all the politicians) and so they are a little more effective than their non-American counterparts.

    PS: Those websites are absolute trash. I just couldn't believe that some people argued that the F-16 could somehow prevail over the SU-35. It's laughable.
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    Post  Zivo on Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:50 am

    From Ukraine, showing possible RPG damage to a BMP's turret.



    http://cs625427.vk.me/v625427566/4ef18/p5A9H5AbElo.jpg



    http://cs625427.vk.me/v625427566/4ef22/JiUAOeZhbgw.jpg

    Interesting cross section of RPG damage. You can see were the RPG's body impacted the smoke grenade launcher, the damage from the kinetic jet, and the radial stippling damage caused by the case fragments.
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    So... i pointed out that his post is a BS and i get essay on how stupid i am and how Russia is opressed etc.... my mind is bended atm Very Happy
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:58 pm

    The west is entirely indoctrinated the iron curtain of wisdom and intelligence is still clouding the dimwitted and preventing them to get educated. The west is lost a society in an unchangable path of decadency that will crumble them to dust.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:02 pm

    Ran into a couple of these idiots on RI and Twatter. Prove them wrong and they go into an incoherent rant/rave using catch phrases. They are pointless. Funny how he calls you a kid and only notices burning Russian equipment. You could troll him posting burned out American equipment in Saudi Army, US Army or Iraqi Army, but they will ignore it or claim it's only a few (changing goal posts). Unlike how they use 1 prototype tank having a glitch and associating it with the other ones who operated fine.

    In other words, a waste of time and a hit at the IQ.

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    Post  Cyrus the great on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:46 pm

    The fact that he swore so much (incoherently) demonstrates that you got to him and that he couldn't counter with anything remotely intelligent or relevant. The idiot just foamed at the mouth with immaterial nonsense and meaningless buzz-words. In a situation like that I just goad them even more and encourage them to rage on so that everyone can be a witness to the ramblings of the dumb animals -- the blowhard Americans that offer nothing of substance. Americans are so delusional that it's like they live in a parallel universe. The part about "economic partnership" and "military cooperation" was particularly amusing; invading and destroying countries like Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are apparently demonstrations of its appreciation for "democracy" and economic and military partnership. I have quite honestly given up on Americans -- they are far too deformed to be reformed.
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:50 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Ran into a couple of these idiots on RI and Twatter. Prove them wrong and they go into an incoherent rant/rave using catch phrases. They are pointless. Funny how he calls you a kid and only notices burning Russian equipment. You could troll him posting burned out American equipment in Saudi Army, US Army or Iraqi Army, but they will ignore it or claim it's only a few (changing goal posts). Unlike how they use 1 prototype tank having a glitch and associating it with the other ones who operated fine.

    In other words, a waste of time and a hit at the IQ.

    He did not even reply to my technical-historical comment, but he started ranting about my "browsing history" and videos i watched and commented before... Like.. what my opinion on EU has to do with fact Russians had APS before Israelis...
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:01 pm

    Cyrus the great wrote:The fact that he swore so much (incoherently) demonstrates that you got to him and that he couldn't counter with anything remotely intelligent or relevant. The idiot just foamed at the mouth with immaterial nonsense and meaningless buzz-words. In a situation like that I just goad them even more and encourage them to rage on so that everyone can be a witness to the ramblings of the dumb animals -- the blowhard Americans that offer nothing of substance. Americans are so delusional that it's like they live in a parallel universe. The part about "economic partnership" and "military cooperation" was particularly amusing; invading and destroying countries like Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are apparently demonstrations of its appreciation for "democracy" and economic and military partnership. I have quite honestly given up on Americans -- they are far too deformed to be reformed.

    He literally dodged replying to anything i wrote and started his own random rant. I dont think he is American, i think he is from Eastern Europe, his english is horrible. He could be Ukrainian living in Western Europe or something similar, Polish, Azerbaijani...Georgian.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:03 pm

    This only shows you've got to much time on your hands...

    Very Happy

    Also I usually have started insulting them...Typically most of them are from has been countries or aspiring Germans. Which points right at Soviet rapes in Berlin. Usually that makes them go into suicide watch.

    Morality: Don't lose your time...hit and run.
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:15 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:This only shows you've got to much time on your hands...

    Very Happy

    Also I usually have started insulting them...Typically most of them are from has been countries or aspiring Germans. Which points right at Soviet rapes in Berlin. Usually that makes them go into suicide watch.

    Morality: Don't lose your time...hit and run.

    I log that damn youtube 2-3 times a week reply to some "friends" and thats it. I place 7-8 comments like this and log in 5 days Very Happy
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:26 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:This only shows you've got to much time on your hands...

    Very Happy

    Also I usually have started insulting them...Typically most of them are from has been countries or aspiring Germans. Which points right at Soviet rapes in Berlin. Usually that makes them go into suicide watch.

    Morality: Don't lose your time...hit and run.

    I log that damn youtube 2-3 times a week reply to some "friends" and thats it. I place 7-8 comments like this and log in 5 days Very Happy

    Just don't get worked up. Sapienti sat etc. I'd do the same, then that would happen. So now I just hit them.
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    Post  eehnie on Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:00 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The west is entirely indoctrinated the iron curtain of wisdom and intelligence is still clouding the dimwitted and preventing them to get educated. The west is lost a society in an unchangable path of decadency that will crumble them to dust.

    The people in Europe (the area that I know) is smarter than many people think. The indoctrination is present, but works not as many people think. Of course there is people that fall, but habitually not a majority.

    As example we have the recent case of the referendum in the Netherlands. It is not a rare situation. It would happen in many other European countries if the people would be asked, and not by the influence of movements of extreme right. It would happen because the people continues to be very reluctant to wars, and has not the expansive apetite of the elites.

    Other thing is that most of the current European elites are out of touch with its own population, and are beliving their own lies. This is one of the main reasons why the parties of the present elites are failing to other new options (that not always are good).
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:25 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Cyrus the great wrote:....................

    He literally dodged replying to anything i wrote and started his own random rant. I dont think he is American, i think he is from Eastern Europe, his english is horrible. He could be Ukrainian living in Western Europe or something similar, Polish, Azerbaijani...Georgian.

    He is definitely East European, guys from the West part have reasonable levels of dignity and confidence. Not this guy, see how he mentioned "...my country goal of economic prosperity..." Razz

    East Europe could be described as land of human sized chihuahuas.... lol1
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:42 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The west is entirely indoctrinated the iron curtain of wisdom and intelligence is still clouding the dimwitted and preventing them to get educated. The west is lost a society in an unchangable path of decadency that will crumble them to dust.

    The people in Europe (the area that I know) is smarter than many people think. The indoctrination is present, but works not as many people think. Of course there is people that fall, but habitually not a majority.

    As example we have the recent case of the referendum in the Netherlands. It is not a rare situation. It would happen in many other European countries if the people would be asked, and not by the influence of movements of extreme right. It would happen because the people continues to be very reluctant to wars, and has not the expansive apetite of the elites.

    Other thing is that most of the current European elites are out of touch with its own population, and are beliving their own lies. This is one of the main reasons why the parties of the present elites are failing to other new options (that not always are good).
    eehnie is correct, a minority of people in Europe are aware of the fact they're being hoodwinked. However, the US on the other hand seems to be a totally lost cause, right up there with NSDAP or DPRK style mass brainwashed flag waving. Such widespread false "*****" mentalities and the treatment of others around the world as "subhuman" (This essentially> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgOiMJJLRuk) will only cause immense devastation and speed up the degenerating process the US is and its cohorts are putting themselves through.  Sheep to the slaughter, only the sheep are also the ones doing the slaughtering.

    Pretty sure he's Israeli, just the mention of the Trophy system, and the "US military" as a separate entity, rather than his own military.
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    Post  x_54_u43 on Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:53 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Ran into a couple of these idiots on RI and Twatter. Prove them wrong and they go into an incoherent rant/rave using catch phrases. They are pointless. Funny how he calls you a kid and only notices burning Russian equipment. You could troll him posting burned out American equipment in Saudi Army, US Army or Iraqi Army, but they will ignore it or claim it's only a few (changing goal posts). Unlike how they use 1 prototype tank having a glitch and associating it with the other ones who operated fine.

    In other words, a waste of time and a hit at the IQ.

    Who is more retarded, YouTube commentators or people that take them seriously?
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    So... i pointed out that his post is a BS and i get essay on how stupid i am and how Russia is opressed etc.... my mind is bended atm

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:54 pm

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Ran into a couple of these idiots on RI and Twatter. Prove them wrong and they go into an incoherent rant/rave using catch phrases. They are pointless. Funny how he calls you a kid and only notices burning Russian equipment. You could troll him posting burned out American equipment in Saudi Army, US Army or Iraqi Army, but they will ignore it or claim it's only a few (changing goal posts). Unlike how they use 1 prototype tank having a glitch and associating it with the other ones who operated fine.

    In other words, a waste of time and a hit at the IQ.

    Who is more retarded, YouTube commentators or people that take them seriously?

    The commentators first, and the very very close second is the people who actually believe them. But I don't think either groups actually believe in their own bs.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:06 pm


    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/
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    Post  Benya on Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:47 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/

    Damn!

    Here we are again, in the era when everyone would use nukes on everyone?

    Sounds very much nonsense BTW. It is just like the Davy Crockett rocket, but its a tank shell.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:27 am

    Hahahaha... Yeah the Davy Crockett... before you fired it you dug a trench because the max ballistic range of the missile was shorter than the minimum safe blast/radiation radius...


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