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    Re: Lies and Myths about Russian/Soviet Military Equipment & History

    Post  Regular on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:44 pm

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    Regular wrote:Do You know that there was ACTUAL fighting against Wermacht and SS who opposed capitulation?
    Are You calling Wermacht soldiers tools and fools?
    You are blaming Jews for everything, so may I ask You how the hell they managed to get control over USSR, USA and allied countries? Are they somehow superior people that can mind control countries? Or maybe they are genetically superior/smarter/better witted than us, European fools? Smile We were burning them on fire for ages.




    Watch Jud Suss and you'll begin to understand how the Jews ingratiate themselves to White nobles/royals/rules through flattery, bribery, trickery, and deceit.


    If you want to watch something that is about the Jews but is not German propaganda, watch the Jewish Hollywood produced movie The House of Rothschild.


    Jews are a very insular community and they shamelessly engage in ethnic networking, they obtain positions of power and then use their power to let other Jews into the organization/company.
    Thanks. Well probably will watch it today, I have nothing to do this week anyway so I'll try to see Your side of coin, but I'm stubborn as hell so I hardly change my opinion.
    You see, I had some jewish friends. Didn't strike me as rich, empowering people, not extraordinary, like some American Jews want to portray themselves. My Russian teacher was Jewish woman, I really feel bad even now about how kids made fun because of it, their family was very poor, not sure why they never went to Israel.

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    Re: Lies and Myths about Russian/Soviet Military Equipment & History

    Post  BTRfan on Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:47 pm

    Regular wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    Regular wrote:Do You know that there was ACTUAL fighting against Wermacht and SS who opposed capitulation?
    Are You calling Wermacht soldiers tools and fools?
    You are blaming Jews for everything, so may I ask You how the hell they managed to get control over USSR, USA and allied countries? Are they somehow superior people that can mind control countries? Or maybe they are genetically superior/smarter/better witted than us, European fools? Smile We were burning them on fire for ages.




    Watch Jud Suss and you'll begin to understand how the Jews ingratiate themselves to White nobles/royals/rules through flattery, bribery, trickery, and deceit.


    If you want to watch something that is about the Jews but is not German propaganda, watch the Jewish Hollywood produced movie The House of Rothschild.


    Jews are a very insular community and they shamelessly engage in ethnic networking, they obtain positions of power and then use their power to let other Jews into the organization/company.
    Thanks. Well probably will watch it today, I have nothing to do this week anyway so I'll try to see Your side of coin, but I'm stubborn as hell so I hardly change my opinion.
    You see, I had some jewish friends. Didn't strike me as rich, empowering people, not extraordinary, like some American Jews want to portray themselves. My Russian teacher was Jewish woman, I really feel bad even now about how kids made fun because of it, their family was very poor, not sure why they never went to Israel.



    http://mk.christogenea.org/houseofrothschildmovie


    http://mk.christogenea.org/content/jud-suss




    Also, it is NSDAP propaganda, but The Eternal Jew is perhaps the best documentary on Jews ever made. I remember when I first saw the video as a young man who had not yet decided on how to settle the Jewish question. After watching the entire documentary I was convinced that the Jewish race must be smashed, whether that means deported in its entirety to Madagascar, stripped of all power and influence throughout the world, or destroyed, I cannot say, but they must not be allowed to work in banking/finance, media, academia, and they must never be allowed to have any role in civic government, but above all, they must forever be prohibited from communicating to the masses via art, cinema, in other words, they must have no impact on mass popular culture.
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    Re: Lies and Myths about Russian/Soviet Military Equipment & History

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:31 pm

    Adolf Hitler and his allies fought to preserve the concept of Nationalism, not just for Germans but for all peoples the world over.

    Where does this absurd idea come from? France for the French? Austria for the Austrians?... more like all of Europe for Germany and death camps for those that can't work the land or do something useful for their new German overlords.

    Nationalism really just means the sovereignty of an ethnic people and the right of such ethnic people/nationalists - within their own bordered country - to self-determination. What is meant by self-determination? Self-determination just means an ethnic people preserving their unique culture & heritage and pursuing their collective goals as a unique people. This applies to any ethnic peoples: Nigerians, Germans, Swedes, Vietnamese, Mexicans, Tibetans, etc.

    With that border determined by Germany and the US... or are you going to give large areas of the US back to its Mexican owners?

    On the other side of WWII was Jewish (Bolshevik) Internationalism (today we simply call this 'globalism').

    Judiasm and bolshivisim have nothing in common. The Soviet Union was no more a Jewish state as the current US is a Buddist state.

    The Allied powers of WWII (led by Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin, et al) were tools of International Jewry and thus de facto fighting for the Jewish globalist worldview.

    Hilarious considering you suggested the US should have sided with Germany... the aggressor state in the conflict of WWII, that seemed to want to occupy and oppress all the ethnic groups in Europe, because the Jews wanted to take over the world... it was Germany and now the US that wants to control the world and it is other factions that have reacted to such actions yet you blame the wrong side for the aggression...

    Alternatively, if Hitler had won World War II and then exercised a Nationalist 'Sphere of Influence' over the greater Western World, we'd have a more just, fair, and moral Western World today.

    Don't come to a pro Russian website and suggest that if Hitler had won the result would have been more fair for Europe... Hitler would have started by exterminating all the Slavic white people... how would that have effected your equations with percentages of white people left on the planet?

    Of course I am not totally opposed but think the evil Germans that perpetrated the crime of WWII on Europe should have been the ethnic group thinned from existence...

    and strong family oriented culture would likely have spread globally).

    The Nazis were a large group of men who voluntarily wore leather shorts... family culture? Closet homosexuals more like it.

    1 - No USSR (the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign - to study this topic read the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn; Hitler would have liberated the USSR, though taking large parts of its Western region for lebensraum, "living space")

    In less than 5 years the Germans killed rather more Soviets and certainly looked set to continue.

    2 - No cold war (because there would be no USSR)

    The cold war happened because after the destruction of Hitler and his country the Soviets and the west had very little in common.

    The cold war would have happened with Germany too because nazi ideology didn't fit well with western morals and precepts either.

    3 - No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (when WWII ended, Eastern Europe fell to Communism - this was part of Stalin's spoils of war)

    Eastern Europe was slave labour for German own businesses. Stalins buffer zone to protect from the west would have become the sweat shop of Europe where all the fine things Germans needed would be made.

    4 - No Red China and Mao's subsequent killing of 40 - 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao's Communists which ultimately led to Mao's victory over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)

    So your fantasy includes no attack on Pearl Harbour?

    5 - No Communist North Vietnam (both the Soviet Union and Red China aided Ho Chi Minh)

    There would not have been any need... the Vietnam war was not about communism... it was about throwing foreign colonial powers out... if Germany defeated France then the Vietnamese would have been able to overthrow the French forces left... of course they would likely have had to wait a bit longer for the US to liberate them from the Japanese.


    6 - No Communist Cambodia and Pol Pot's slaughter of 2 million Cambodians (Red China aided Pol Pot)

    Pol Pot might have been a teddy bear to a person that got into power instead...


    7 - No dividing Korea into North Korea & South Korea (the allies split Korea after WWII ended, with North Korea becoming Communist... another of Stalin's spoils of war)

    Japanese occupied Korea would have remained Japanese occupied Korea and Japanese occupied China would have remained Japanese occupied China... so millions more killed and subjugated.

    8 - No Communist Cuba (given the previous, what support would Castro have had in the 1950's?)[

    Not Communist... nationalist.

    9 - No Communism anywhere (Hitler was the world's most fervent anti-Communist)

    Hahaha... yeah... Hitler was much more powerful than the United States so of course he would have been able to achieve that... NOT.

    10 - Liberalism & multiculturalism wouldn't dominate Western ethos (both are Jewish creations and both have always been heavily promoted/advanced by Jews; thus if no Jewish influence, then no liberalism and no multiculturalism... at least certainly nowhere near the degree we see today)

    Bull.

    11 - No Cultural Marxism and no political correctness (these are social engineering "tools" which came out of the Jewish think tank known as the Frankfurt School)

    Hahahaha... political correctness is a western invention... haven't you noticed Putin has no concept of political correctness?

    You give the jews far to much credit in terms of influence.

    12 - No third world immigration into Western nations (Jews wouldn't be in power positions to craft and force through liberal immigration laws; Jews are responsible for each and every Western nation's liberal immigration policy/laws, as all were orchestrated by a consortium consisting of the World Jewish Congress, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, and B'nai B'rith)

    Bull. I guess it was the Jews that created the current economic problems too?

    Do they make the sun come up in the morning and go down at night?

    Was that worked out by a think tank, or was it just a rumour they started that snowballed into a natural truth?

    13 - No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn't run Hollywood)

    No depraved filth? Like death camps?

    14 - No widespread pornography (Jewish lawyers and Jewish activists were the main challengers of anti-obscenity laws, under the guise of "Freedom of Speech")

    What is wrong with a bit of porn?

    15 - There would still be prayer in public schools (Jewish lawyers were instrumental in banning prayer in public schools under the guise of so-called "separation of church and state," something that appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution)

    WTF has religion got to do with schools? Religion has been holding back development and progress for centuries. You want to learn religion... learn it in your own time on your own dollar.

    16 - No man-hating radical feminist movement (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)
    17 - No Israel and all the problems it has brought the USA and the immeasurable misery it has wrought on the Palestinians
    18 - Jews would be living in Madagascar (perhaps) and would be carefully monitored (Madagascar was one place Hitler considered as a Jewish homeland)

    Don't forget no global warming and no hole in the ozone layer... jewish plots to sell more t shirts and sunscreen no doubt.

    You see even Soviet Union on it's worst didn't go for extermination of ethnic group as a whole.

    X2

    There was a reason that the suffering oppressed people of the lands of the Soviet didn't just take up arms and support their new liberators against the hated Georgian Joseph Stalin... and that reason was the way the Germans treated the people in the occupied areas was FAR worse than how Stalin treated them.

    It's Your right what to watch.

    x2 ...as a mature adult I resent your attempt to control what I can or cannot choose to watch to entertain myself.

    Pornography is only obsene in the eye of the beholder or someone that is underage. Calling it all obsene is censorship.

    Church is based on God. I can only believe in what actually exists. Prove me that there is God and I ask him how to become one myself.

    Churches are human constructs and as such are flawed... if there is a god I doubt he would have much to do with any human organised religion.

    Didn't strike me as rich, empowering people, not extraordinary, like some American Jews want to portray themselves. My Russian teacher was Jewish woman, I really feel bad even now about how kids made fun because of it, their family was very poor, not sure why they never went to Israel.

    Not all Jews are zionist jews. Plenty think Israel is a bad idea that just creates bad feelings towards Jews and oppresses the local people. The most radical fire and brimstone jews that want to wipe out all opposition to Israel seem to have American accents though...



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    Re: Lies and Myths about Russian/Soviet Military Equipment & History

    Post  BTRfan on Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:29 pm

    Regular wrote:


    How old are You again? All people are the same, we want filth. That's why nazi soldiers were banging inflatable dolls, bordels where full of german officers, and sheesh, there was NAZI PORN TOO, at least underground one. It's Your right what to watch.

    And what is wrong with pornography? It's better that people would choke their stuff watching it then actually go and try to rape a child or animal. Sexual crimes dropped in places where porno was legalised. It's forbidden fruit thing me thinks. First porn magazine I've seen was the West German. I was kid and only remember poking holes in all those tits and throwing magazine away Smile Wasn't traumatised by seeing tits, breast feeding was normal in Soviet Union. Porn - and even sex was non existent Very Happy
    But it only made it more desirable thing.



    Pornography is a form of digital voyeurism and it warps the mind and distorts a person's idea of sex.

    It is abnormal to want to watch other people having sex, if you look somebody's windows to watch them, it is called voyeurism or "peeping tom", but if you go online to watch it suddenly becomes okay? Perhaps from a legal perspective it becomes okay, but psychologically it is still a variation of voyeurism and a form of mental illness.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:14 am

    Pornography is a form of digital voyeurism and it warps the mind and distorts a person's idea of sex.

    Digital? Sex is fun and when between consenting responsible adults perfectly healthy and normal.


    It is abnormal to want to watch other people having sex, if you look somebody's windows to watch them, it is called voyeurism or "peeping tom", but if you go online to watch it suddenly becomes okay?

    If your neighbour leaves their curtains open and does it in front of the window then I suspect they want you to watch... it is in their control... if they don't want to be watched then they can close their curtains or just turn off the lights.

    The people who put porn on the internet want it to be seen, so watching it is fine.

    Perhaps from a legal perspective it becomes okay, but psychologically it is still a variation of voyeurism and a form of mental illness.

    Professional sport is based on voyeurism... who in their right mind would watch someone else read a book for entertainment? Sports should be played... not watched... I would prefer to see sports on TV banned than have porn banned... you might learn some new moves with porn, but watching soccer you just learn how to fall to the ground and feign an injury... I guess that might be useful in the US for the purpose of a civil suit or insurance fraud...


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    Post  BTRfan on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:42 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Pornography is a form of digital voyeurism and it warps the mind and distorts a person's idea of sex.

    Digital? Sex is fun and when between consenting responsible adults perfectly healthy and normal.


    Of course, and I have interest in women and interest in sex, but I have absolutely no interest in watching OTHER PEOPLE having sex.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:14 am

    Of course, and I have interest in women and interest in sex, but I have absolutely no interest in watching OTHER PEOPLE having sex.

    And because it does not interest you it should be banned?



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    Post  BTRfan on Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Of course, and I have interest in women and interest in sex, but I have absolutely no interest in watching OTHER PEOPLE having sex.

    And because it does not interest you it should be banned?



    I think the desire to watch others having sex is indicative of a mental/emotional/psychological sickness.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:54 am

    And because you think that it must be true?

    I feel the same about religion and sports on TV.

    What is wrong with people that they are so desperate for answers that they will accept things made up by others.

    Organised religion is a human creation to answer the big questions, yet the answers they offer are meaningless... have faith...

    Sports on TV is a total waste of air time... sports is a social thing you do with friends to keep fit... "they" have turned it into something that divides people within countries and between countries that requires no effort at all... just sit on your arse and yell at the screen. At the end of the game you feel good because someone else ran around a field for an hour or so and beat the other team at something... what a total waste of time... Rolling Eyes

    The difference between you and I however is that I would never demand they ban either.


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    Post  BTRfan on Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:50 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Sports on TV is a total waste of air time... sports is a social thing you do with friends to keep fit... "they" have turned it into something that divides people within countries and between countries that requires no effort at all... just sit on your arse and yell at the screen. At the end of the game you feel good because someone else ran around a field for an hour or so and beat the other team at something... what a total waste of time... Rolling Eyes

    The difference between you and I however is that I would never demand they ban either.



    I agree, sports on TV is a waste of time, and like you I don't believe it should be banned simply because I don't like it and don't see the value in it.

    However, with porn, I truly believe that it is indicative of a sickness and I see porn as gnawing at the foundation of society. I am not alone in this; there are many psychologists and activists on both sides of the spectrum, right/left, center, even feminists, who believe that pornography is harmful. But just because a lot of experts support my view, does not make it valid. I do not seek to make an "appeal to authority" because that is all too easy and there are competing authorities on the other side who will say the opposite. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe the evidence is in my favor and we can look back over the last 50-60 years and see that pornography has contributed to damaging Western society.


    As for sports, the only sports activities I will ever watch on TV are MMA because I train MMA/grappling and I have a decent understanding of what is going on and can relate to it on some level. I hope to one day get into the cage in the amateur circuit but that might be a bit down the road for me.

    Other than that, I don't see the value in watching baseball or football, unless you play baseball or football and are trying to gain insight into how professionals handle things. If you are not involved with some sport, then watching sports on TV is essentially an attempt to live vicariously through others.

    Americans would be much healthier if they would get off the couch, shut off the football game, and go form a local football team with their friends and co-workers, their team could face another team from another factory/plan. Heck, they'd be better off if they just turned off the sports and went outside to walk, jog, run, hike, bicycle, or anything.


    But as you said, failing to see the value in watching sports on TV doesn't mean we ban TV. I agree with that sentiment and I would not ban something just because I don't like it. For me to be in favor of banning something I would have to sincerely believe that it is incredibly damaging to society and detrimental to the development and progress of the race[volk]/nation. I believe pornography fits my criteria for banning something.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:54 am

    Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe the evidence is in my favor and we can look back over the last 50-60 years and see that pornography has contributed to damaging Western society.

    Or are you confusing a symptom with a cause?

    There has been porn for a very long time... rather longer than the last 50-60 years... dirty drawings have been a favourite of soldiers for hundreds of years and that was before photos made it even easier.

    Instead of renting a dvd they simply went to a house of ill repute and actually did it themselves... and very occasionally others paid to secretly watch... Twisted Evil

    These days the danger is not an orgy or anarchy... I would suggest that the danger is that once upon a time if you screamed in the middle of the night the neighbours would arrive and the police soon after... these days no one wants to get involved and no one knows their neighbours anyway.


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    Post  BTRfan on Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:20 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe the evidence is in my favor and we can look back over the last 50-60 years and see that pornography has contributed to damaging Western society.

    Or are you confusing a symptom with a cause?

    There has been porn for a very long time... rather longer than the last 50-60 years... dirty drawings have been a favourite of soldiers for hundreds of years and that was before photos made it even easier.

    Instead of renting a dvd they simply went to a house of ill repute and actually did it themselves... and very occasionally others paid to secretly watch... Twisted Evil

    These days the danger is not an orgy or anarchy... I would suggest that the danger is that once upon a time if you screamed in the middle of the night the neighbours would arrive and the police soon after... these days no one wants to get involved and no one knows their neighbours anyway.



    Dirty drawings go back to the Roman era, people were scribbling on walls. But dirty drawings were limited in scope, limited in distribution, and had limited potential for mass consumption.

    One cannot compare dirty drawings on Roman walls to the hardcore porn that emerged in the 1950s-1960s and really took off in the 1960s-1970s.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:58 am

    One couldn't stop it either... it seems to be what the people want... whether it is good for them or not is irrelevant... look at smoking and excessive alcohol consumption... or for that matter gambling.


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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Better to use facts against TR1

    Fact 1) No evidence was actually shown.  They claimed that the T-64's where T-72's.  Ends up being T-64BV's that Russia never had in service
    Fact 2) US claims they have evidence, but has not shown its sat imagery or radar from the exercise going on at the time of the malaysian aircraft going down.  Russia has provided both sat imagery and Radar data.
    Fact 3) They claimed they have evidence that MLRS are being used from Russia to strike Ukrainian soldiers.  The video provided on youtube is of a military exercise in North Ossetia
    Fact 4) There are indeed personnel and equipment coming from Russia.  But of course, no actual evidence or link that it is coming from the Russian government.  Although, there is a politician from the Just Russia party whom is supporting the separatists.
    Fact 5) US has a history of falsifying information to go to war.  1) Fake WMD (Chemical) from Iraq. (2) Faked information regarding Chemical Weapon strike in Syria. (3)Ousting of Chilean government due to supposed communisim in order to put General Pinochet into power.

    Thing is, so far, if anyone that looks foolish, it is the US government.  EU is also jumping to sanctions without providing proof.  Do I think the rebels are getting support?  Of course I do.  But at the same time, no one has evidence and evidence is the key.

    T-64s filmed in Russia with an ERA pattern no Uk tanks have. HURR DURR PROPOGANDA.
    Busloads of armed people crossing border. PROPOGANDA.
    KAMAZ trucks that Ukraine never bought or operated. PROPOGANDA.

    All of this without our government knowing about it? Wow, you think they are even more incompetent than I do.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:00 pm

    Il-114 is pretty much dead AFAIK btw.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:31 pm

    Your are an attention whore don't you? You understood that we bite and try your best to provoke us. Talk to the hand.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:32 pm

    As far as I know, there are common lies which claim that AK-xx is less accurate than M16... which is wrong.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:35 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:As far as I know, there are common lies which claim that AK-xx is less accurate than M16... which is wrong.
    That is only "for" the AK-47. Here in the States', it is claimed to be less accurate thanks to (on the older models) barrel flexing and high recoil.
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:04 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:As far as I know, there are common lies which claim that AK-xx is less accurate than M16... which is wrong.
    That is only "for" the AK-47. Here in the States', it is claimed to be less accurate thanks to (on the older models) barrel flexing and high recoil.

    In the US there are bad shooters not the gun is to bame.
    I can show you several videos of self proclaimed IRAQ VETERANS how they proudly call themselfs and when you watch how they hold an AK47 almost like a RPG with the buttstock on the sholder and not burried into the should and leaned back, that already tells you how pathetic such people are as shooters.

    Not to mention that in the US almost no one has ever even touched a real AK-47, instead just some bad copies.

    The rifle is superb in accuracy like in this vide he hits almost all targets on relative high distance (combat relevant).

    300 yards and he hits very well and that with iron sights and not with some fancy new sights and scopes.




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    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
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    higurashihougi wrote:As far as I know, there are common lies which claim that AK-xx is less accurate than M16... which is wrong.
    That is only "for" the AK-47. Here in the States', it is claimed to be less accurate thanks to (on the older models) barrel flexing and high recoil.

    In the US there are bad shooters not the gun is to bame.
    I can show you several videos of self proclaimed IRAQ VETERANS how they proudly call themselfs and when you watch how they hold an AK47 almost like a RPG with the buttstock on the sholder and not burried into the should and leaned back, that already tells you how pathetic such people are as shooters.

    Not to mention that in the US almost no one has ever even touched a real AK-47, instead just some bad copies.

    The rifle is superb in accuracy like in this vide he hits almost all targets on relative high distance (combat relevant).

    300 yards and he hits very well and that with iron sights and not with some fancy new sights and scopes.
    I'm not an idiot... I take those videos with a grain of salt, if that...

    That being said, in general, the AK gas piston design(s) will always be *a little* less accurate as the motion of the piston increasing recoil and torques the barrel (rifle). 

    They are mostly copies, but we used to be able to buy nicer models. Nowadays companies here build modular rifles based off of the gas piston.

    He is a good shooter then...
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:58 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    He is a good shooter then...

    A bad shooter blames the weapon, the weather, the sun maybe even communists, but a good shooter blames only himself.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:49 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    He is a good shooter then...

    A bad shooter blames the weapon, the weather, the sun maybe even communists, but a good shooter blames only himself.
    And??? He is one of very few people that can fire that well with any weapon, never-mind an AK.
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    Post  Regular on Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:46 am

    higurashihougi wrote:As far as I know, there are common lies which claim that AK-xx is less accurate than M16... which is wrong.
    Well 74 is very comparable to M4 accuracy. 

    Here is a compromise for both parties
    ARAK-21 has AK influence in it
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    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:08 am

    The accuracy does not only depends on the gun design, but also the bullet designs and gunpowder, too.

    After all it is the gunpowder who pushes the bullet foward and it is the bullet who does the job of flying in the air and hitting the target.

    As far as I know, the AK's M43/67 and M74 bullet have a very aerodynamic design which reduces the air resistance, therefore better conserves the kinetic energy, increases the accuracy, range, and penetration power. This is the technique of "prop onto the sharp nose", which the bullet only make contact with air molecule at the nose of the bullet, and the rotation axis oscillates around a center, just like a spinning top.

    Meanwhile the NATO catridges (7.xx and 5.xx) still use the 19th tech that is fixed rotation axis and high rotation rate. Compared to the Russian Mxx catridge, it suffers more from air resistance and has lower accuracy, range, penetration power.

    I don't know about the design of 6.5mm Grendel, though.
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    Re: Lies and Myths about Russian/Soviet Military Equipment & History

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:39 am

    The piston and bolt carrier on the AK do not cause recoil, they actually delay it.

    By the time the bullet has exited the barrel the bolt carrier has started to move but it doesn't slam into the rear of the receiver until after the bullet is well down range.

    This means the issues with recoil on accuracy are only relevant in full auto... in which case few rifles are "accurate".



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