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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:38 am

    This is a usless system. One F-16 in wild weasel role makes all of this scrap metal.
    How would an F-16 deal with proximity fused munitions?

    Besides unlike the US the Russians tend to make systems for all branches, so their navy, army, and airforce all have systems that in the US only the air force would have.

    The Russian Army has better SAMs than the US AF, while the Russian Navy are introducing missiles that are even better.



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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:17 pm

    Lots of new military stuff we know nothing about is entering Russian Army. 

    Well, here is another one of them: Moscow-1. I suspect its (beside being iteration of Russian passive radar) actually a command system for Russian ELINT and ECM/ECCM radio troops. 

    Up to 2016, 10 Moscow-1 systems will be delivered to Russian radio troops with the price tag of 107 million $. 

    Concern "Radio-electronic technology" has begun shipping the newest electronic warfare systems "Moscow-1" for the Russian armed forces

    "Newest complex using modern digital technology allows for the passive radar to scan the airspace to detect and transmit data to other systems on the enemy electronic warfare and air defense and aviation, driving them to neutralize and destroy targets. "


    Ground complex "Moscow-1" is intended for conducting electronic intelligence, management of radio interference and jamming (REP). The system allows you to scan the airspace and detect vehicles equipped with radioactive elements and enemy projectiles in the passive radar, ie picks their own radio waves, and then transmits the data to other media or EW systems, air defense and air force to neutralize and destroy targets.



    So complex Moscow-1 does:


    - electronic intelligence (passive radar up to 400km)
    - managment of radio interference
    - jamming 


    Besides being passive radar system it apparently has its ECM/ECCM conponent too as the complex is comprised of:


    1L265E control station
    - 3x 1L266E radar jammers mounted on Kamaz trucks. 


    and specifications:


    - 4 crew
    - 45 minute deployment time
    - -40/+50 °C


    Remember that:


    Krasuha-2 is 1L269
    Krasuha-4 is 1L257
    Krasuha-20 - > I believe we are seing it in a form of Moscow-1 complex. 


    "Moscow-1" enters the Russian Army


    KRET begun shipping the newest complexes EW "Moscow-1" for the Ministry of Defense








    "Manage the "Moscow-1" like a computer strategy. Immediately displayed on multiple monitors air situation. Operator allocates funds on the tablet and destruction indicates objective to be hit."




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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:44 pm

    KRET introduce a new set of electronic warfare 2016

    Newest electronic warfare complex "Moscow" mode allows passive radar to scan the airspace to detect and transmit data to other systems on the enemy electronic warfare. "Moscow" is able to simultaneously manage nine air defense complexes.

    And more advance version of the complex Moscow in development (yet we know nothing about this one) named "Divnomore" (Дивноморье)
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  medo on Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:40 pm

    Russian air defense really invest a lot in new ELINT / ECM capabilities as well as in early warning capabilities. I hope they will also buy more of their airborne equivalents.
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:55 pm

    medo wrote:Russian air defense really invest a lot in new ELINT / ECM capabilities as well as in early warning capabilities. I hope they will also buy more of their airborne equivalents.


    Currently they are working on A-100 which will of course be the new AWACS, and should be powered by the new Il-476. Although surprised they didnt aim for Il-96.

    As for EW systems for airborn, look at Su-34. As well, all aircraft are supposed to receive certain amount of EW/ECM/ECCM systems.

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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  CaptainPakistan on Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    medo wrote:Russian air defense really invest a lot in new ELINT / ECM capabilities as well as in early warning capabilities. I hope they will also buy more of their airborne equivalents.


    Currently they are working on A-100 which will of course be the new AWACS, and should be powered by the new Il-476.  Although surprised they didnt aim for Il-96.

    As for EW systems for airborn, look at Su-34. As well, all aircraft are supposed to receive certain amount of EW/ECM/ECCM systems.

    Their EW isnt up to scratch. Look at loses over Georgia. They need decades more to make something viable and workable.
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:09 pm

    CaptainPakistan wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    medo wrote:Russian air defense really invest a lot in new ELINT / ECM capabilities as well as in early warning capabilities. I hope they will also buy more of their airborne equivalents.


    Currently they are working on A-100 which will of course be the new AWACS, and should be powered by the new Il-476.  Although surprised they didnt aim for Il-96.

    As for EW systems for airborn, look at Su-34. As well, all aircraft are supposed to receive certain amount of EW/ECM/ECCM systems.

    Their EW isnt up to scratch. Look at loses over Georgia. They need decades more to make something viable and workable.

    Su-34 surppressed Georgian air defence system like it was nothing, hence how they were able to later strike at airfields.

    Surprised your stupid ass hasnt been banned yet.
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  medo on Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:17 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    medo wrote:Russian air defense really invest a lot in new ELINT / ECM capabilities as well as in early warning capabilities. I hope they will also buy more of their airborne equivalents.


    Currently they are working on A-100 which will of course be the new AWACS, and should be powered by the new Il-476.  Although surprised they didnt aim for Il-96.

    As for EW systems for airborn, look at Su-34. As well, all aircraft are supposed to receive certain amount of EW/ECM/ECCM systems.

    Su-34 is good strike platform, but I have in mind bigger planes for strategical ELINT and ECM missions as well as command posts, based on larger planes. They will need to replace similar planes based on old Il-18.
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:56 pm

    medo wrote:Su-34 is good strike platform, but I have in mind bigger planes for strategical ELINT and ECM missions as well as command posts, based on larger planes. They will need to replace similar planes based on old Il-18.

    Tu-214R = Russian version of the western Rivet Joint and J-STARS. Than you have modernized A-50 and A-100 that sepheronx mentioned.
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:25 am

    They were talking about a tanker based on the Il-96 as it is a bigger and cheaper to operate aircraft than the Il-78 in the role... I wonder if they will consider a new AWACs model based on it?

    Equally their plans to fit a catapult on the Kuznetsov suggest a smaller cheaper AEW type might be in development too.

    The work on AESA radars fitted to wing leading edges is interesting... if PAK DA is indeed a flying wing type then there would be plenty of space for enormous antenna to be fitted to those aircraft and using active arrays with their ECM potential for jamming or creating false images there would be interesting potential for a combined AWACS/tanker where its enormous internal fuel and weapon capacity could be used for fuel plus the structure of the aircraft itself could be a big radar antenna...

    They are also selling airships with radar antenna fitted within their structure for monitoring and data capture for remote areas including in mountainous areas.


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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  TR1 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:35 am

    The Il-96 tanker order is just to find a use for 4 airframes already built for Polet, and never delivered. They are not planning to continue the line, as they have already floated an intention to order 30 Il-78DM-90.
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:39 am

    Complex Moscow-1  thumbsup 




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    And will work in conjunction with the systems Krasuha-2 and Krasuha-4 and is intendent to replace previous system Mauzer-1. 

    And here they are all together as we saw earlier but did not understand what are we looking at  russia 

    Three vehicles from the right are Moscow-1 complex and two vehicles from the left are Krasuha-4 complex




    First vehicle from the right is Krasuha-2 and two vehicles from the left are Moscow-1 complex 




    And Dima blog about Moscow-1 complex

    Moscow 1L267-1 modules 1L265 / 1L266
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:32 pm

    Krasuha-4




    "Krasuha-4" - a formidable weapon against any air targets unique complex electronic warfare enters the Russian Army


    "The system creates conditions that hit enemies in our aircraft and shoot down one or the other plane is very difficult when the complex" Krasuha-4. "99%, which is impossible," - said General Director Nikolai Kolesov KRET."


    "Such smart car - its weight in gold. Their mission - to act on the strategically important areas. Where a particularly active razvedovatelnaya aviation and even space spy satellite grouping. Tactical and technical characteristics "Krasuhi-4" - a military secret. However, we know from public sources, that its radius of action exceeds 300 km. On the question of height developers with a smile replied: "enough, will not find."
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:53 pm

    Nice read about Russian new ground ECM

    Russian military makes strides in electronic warfare
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:48 am

    Excellent read. Just great.

    The threat of the fifth element - and few points:

    1. Moscow-1 complex delivered recently was the first out of nine ordered by Russian MoD


    2. Use of ground based ECM in a form of 

      - protection from cruise missiles/PGM etc 

    (Imagine a missile attack on any object in the Russian territory. It was nice to see several missiles are getting closer to the goal. And then somewhere in the distance a mile, like an invisible wall stumbled on a protective dome, one after another, they began to explode in the air. However, representing the display of a new technology specialist Vladimir Mikheev immediately explained that the effect of a collision with a solid wall - an illusion. In fact rocket bearing, in their direction immediately sent a powerful radiation flux of ultrahigh frequency (UHF), and at a greater distance from the attacked object means guaranteed enemy attack destroyed or completely evaporate.)

      - protection of air defense fighters already in the air/combat (now this is something we did not know) and protection aparently increases survival chances of fighters by 30 TIMES. 

    (A new complex jamming "Khibiny" making it virtually invisible to all air defense systems of any aircraft. As the director of the Department of defense contracts in the same holding Vladimir Mikheev, with the installation of such protection on the Su-30, Su-34, Su-35 in their survivability objectively increased 30 times. That is, they become almost impossible to bring down the existing air defense systems in the world.)


      - supression of AWACS/ELINT etc 



    3. Up to 400km range in passive radar detection



    4. "Divnomore" complex of next generation that will suplement Moscow-1 system (Krasuha-2 and Krasuha-4 with passive detection system) but MUCH MORE POWERFUL because 
        it is intended to replace Pelena ECM and Topol-E but also intended to cover space based asstes although Krasuha-4 is able to do that.



    5. Fight with the company "Russian electronics" to provide 100% electronics for the systems (which are as of now 82%) - it takes lots of time and money to check all imported parts
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:44 am

    This seems to be very interesting video about Russian ECM troops but I can not understand a word so TR1 can you please scan the video for some info?

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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:55 am

    I will have some time tommorow, I will translate it.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/715504.html

    http://russianplanes.net/images/to129000/128095.jpg

    New EW Mi-8MTPR-1 is being developed.
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:17 pm

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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:06 pm

    CaptainPakistan wrote:This is a usless system. One F-16 in wild weasel role makes all of this scrap metal. Russia would be better off investing in building a system like Patriot to replace its obsolete S-300.

    Fix your basic physics first before post..

    AGM-88 seeker only cover 0.5-20 Ghz (500-20000 Mhz). While this SPR-2 Jammer work in 95-420 Mhz band.

    No way the seeker can pick this jammer.

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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:29 pm

    Another Russian ECM which still has no name started its initial production.  Very Happy 

    Russia has created a complex electronic warfare of the 4 +
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:41 am

    The Il-96 tanker order is just to find a use for 4 airframes already built for Polet, and never delivered. They are not planning to continue the line, as they have already floated an intention to order 30 Il-78DM-90.

    Hopefully they will find the bigger Il-96 aircraft to be more efficient in the role.

    With pretty much all tactical aircraft being fitted with inflight refuelling probes and of course strategic aircraft also having IFR probes operationally they will find lots of tanker aircraft useful, but the bigger Il-96 will likely be more useful for strategic aircraft with more fuel being transferred between top-ups.

    Also fitting the Il-96 with new engines would greatly improve is performance and might result in renewed interest in the aircraft.


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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu May 22, 2014 12:54 pm

    AIRBORNE DEFENSE SUITE - ‘TALISMAN’




    NEWS
    16.05.2014 ADS 'Talisman' has been included in the passport for the operational trainer 'Yak-130' (ЯК-130). The Yak-130 will be fitted only with the latest modifications of ADS 'Talisman', providing and maintaining the aircraft protection against radar and electro-optical guided missiles. With the help of ADS, the aircraft will feature and realize the 'electronic stealth' mode.




    ....

    HELICOPTER AIRBORNE DEFENSE SUITE 'AMULET'

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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  medo on Thu May 22, 2014 2:56 pm

    It is interesting, that Talisman ECM pod also include MAWS sensors,what is big improvement for MiG-29 and Su-25.

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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Mindstorm on Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:35 am


    Interesting interview with КРЭТ Deputy General Director Игоря Георгиевича Насенкова on the today state and future programs of the Company in the avionics and EW system products


    http://vpk.name/news/111947_intervyu_pervogo_zamestitelya_generalnogo_direktora_oao_koncern_radioelektronnyie_tehnologii_kret.html
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    Re: Russian Electronic Warfare Systems

    Post  Viktor on Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:48 pm

    Krasuha-2










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