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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:57 am

    Russia Gets Weapons Wish List From Serbian Army

    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that by the end of February, Russia and Serbia will form a high level commission on military cooperation, which is expect to commence its work by spring.

    BELGRADE (Sputnik) — Russia has received a list of the weapons required by the Serbian Army, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday.

    "We confirm the information by the Serbian Defense Ministry that the list of Serbian Army's needs has been prepared, and it will be carefully examined and considered," Rogozin told journalists following talks with Serbia's First Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic.

    According to Rogozin, considering the economic capabilities of both countries, it should be possible to fulfill the list.

    Answering questions about the conditions for future agreements, Rogozin noted that "military cooperation issues do not call for chatter."

    According to the official, by the end of February, Russia and Serbia will form a high level commission on military cooperation, which is expect to commence its work by spring.

    Ivica Dacic, for his part, said that military cooperation with Russia would enable Belgrade to ensure its national security in a scenario where other countries become militarized.

    Earlier in the day, Rogozin said Russia was ready to supply any weapons that are approved for export to Serbia.

    On January 11-12, Rogozin took part in a meeting of the Serbia-Russia Intergovernmental Committee for Trade, Economic, Scientific and Technical Cooperation.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160112/1033018062/russia-serbian-army.html#ixzz3x4Gfytyp
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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:21 am

    Moscow Considers Delivery of Russian MiG-29s to Serbia

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160203/1034173912/russian-mig29-serbia-deal.html#ixzz3z8zyrz1B
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:40 am

    George1 wrote:Moscow Considers Delivery of Russian MiG-29s to Serbia

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160203/1034173912/russian-mig29-serbia-deal.html#ixzz3z8zyrz1B


    hopefully this actually happens no mention of how many, i know in the past there was mention of 6-12 Mig-29 i presume these will be M2/SMT version. Article also mentions Pantsir, Tor, Buk, thats a pretty big shopping list considering there budget, i think is more a wish list rather than an actual order.

    I personally think Serbia has produced a few good things considering its size and market, i think they have a few more opportunities to export some items to more countries. Items such as the following:

    LRSVM Morava 122mm MLRS
    Self-propelled howitzer 122mm SORA
    Self-propelled howitzer 152mm Nora B-52
    ALAS (Advanced Light Attack System)
    BUMBAR anti tank system
    Lasta 95 light military trainer aircraft
    HEMERA acoustic-based detection system.

    these are all pretty decent systems especially for a small defence industry.

    The Lasta 95 can also be armed with gun and rockets pods which could be useful for a cheap border patrol aircraft.

    both of the self propelled howitzers are pretty impressive the Nora B has a pretty decent rate of fire and range especially with specialized ammo being able to reach up to 67km.

    the ALAS system is pretty impressive having anti jamming capabilities and with the following variants:
    Alas-A is a ground to ground variant with range of 25 km
    Alas-B is a ground to ground variant with range of 60 km
    Alas-C anti-ship variant 25-50km range.

    Serbia have also developed upgrades for its M-84 tanks to M-84AS which is a fairly reasonable tank. They have also upgraded there AT-3 Saggers to have semi-automatic guidance, new warheads including tandem, thermobaric etc.
    Serbia also produce a lot of its small arms as well.


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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:10 pm

    Hate to say it but I would not sell anything new or very capable to Serbia... I support the people but the government has shown how weak it is... dragging the population into the EU and likely NATO as fast as it can without asking the Serbian people.

    MiG-29SM from stock Russian AF with SMT upgrade, and some older kit with upgrades like OSA, early model TOR and early model Tunguska... for the Serbs the advantage will be reduced costs and no extra strings the west can pull... ie look at Venezuelan F-16s now.
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    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:37 pm

    "The delivery of two Russian Mi-8MTV-5 (NATO reporting name: Hip) medium military-transport helicopters to Serbia is scheduled for April 2016, according to a Russian defense industry source. "Both helicopters are ready for delivery, which is scheduled for April 2016. Serbia will get modern and reliable modification of world-known Mi-8 transport helicopter", the source said. In September 2015, then-acting Serbian Defense Minister, Bratislav Gashich said, that the contract for two Mi-8MTV-5 military-transport helicopters would be signed in October 2015.



    According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute`s (SIPRI) arms transfers database, Serbia is to get both helicopters in 2016. The related contract is valued at USD25 million. Military utility transport helicopter, powered by two Klimov TV3-117VM turboshaft engines and equipped with a loading ramp instead of the clam-shell doors, an additional door and a new "dolphin nose". These helicopters are intended for the transport of goods and machinery weighing up to 4 tons, and these helicopters can be equipped with rocket-cannon armament."


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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  mack8 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:20 am

    Serbian Mi-17V5 at Kazan.


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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:02 pm

    Two Mi-17V-5 for Serbia

    The Serbian Ministry of Defence on his page on facebook placed photos of two Mi-17V-5, completed construction at JSC "Kazan Helicopter Plant" (LSC) for the Air Force and Air Defence of Serbia and planned to be transferred to the Serb side in the near future.

    Recall that the Serbian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with JSC "Rosoboronexport" for the supply of two helicopters Mi-17V-5 newly built KHP in August 2015. The cost of each helicopter (along with a package of additional equipment and training of personnel) totaled $ 12.65 million. The helicopters are equipped with engines VK-2500. It is expected that in 2016 will sign a new contract for another couple of new Mi-17V-5 for the Air Force and Air Defence of Serbia.





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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:42 pm



    Serbian pilots in Russia - Kazan training on new Mi-17V5 helicopters.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:54 am

    In mid-June, Serbia should receive two new helicopters Mi-17V-5

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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:53 pm

    BELGRADE (Sputnik) — The Russian authorities have expressed readiness to deliver six MiG-29 fighter jets to Serbia if Belgrade covers the jet fighters’ repair costs, Serbian media reported on Friday.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201611111047350044-russia-serbia-mig-29/
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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:32 am

    so agreement has been finalized

    With reference to the Russian and Serbian media publication reports that Russian President Vladimir Putin has given his consent to the donation of six Serbian MiG-29 from the presence of the Russian Defense Ministry. However, due to the Serbian side will be carried out pre-sale preparation of these aircraft, as well as a small upgrade. As a result, the total value of the contract is estimated at $ 50 million.

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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  Godric on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:38 pm

    $8 1/3rd million each a pretty decent deal for Serbia ... boosts their airforce to 10 mig 29s and to think a couple of years ago Serbia's mig 29s were grounded
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:41 pm

    George1 wrote:so agreement has been finalized

    With reference to the Russian and Serbian media publication reports that Russian President Vladimir Putin has given his consent to the donation of six Serbian MiG-29 from the presence of the Russian Defense Ministry. However, due to the Serbian side will be carried out pre-sale preparation of these aircraft, as well as a small upgrade. As a result, the total value of the contract is estimated at $ 50 million.

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    does anyone know what upgrade this will be? and it more than likely Mig-29SE???? or will they be just getting Mig-29S that have been overhauled??
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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:56 pm

    The problem is the S and SE models are old and have old upgrades...

    It would be like selling them a 1998 computer with a 166 MHz Pentium processor but upgrade it with extra memory and a big hard drive.

    It makes more sense to upgrade most of the components to be relatively modern so they are easier and cheaper to maintain and operate even if they are not state of the art.

    Ie base level SMT level that gives them some multirole capability and plug and play capability... I hope.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem is the S and SE models are old and have old upgrades...

    It would be like selling them a 1998 computer with a 166 MHz Pentium processor but upgrade it with extra memory and a big hard drive.

    It makes more sense to upgrade most of the components to be relatively modern so they are easier and cheaper to maintain and operate even if they are not state of the art.

    Ie base level SMT level that gives them some multirole capability and plug and play capability... I hope.

    i actually think the SMT level is pretty good and very capable aircraft especially for their needs. I have always said that Russia should push the
    Mig-29SMT and a armed variant of the Yak-130 to poorer countries or countries on a tight budget, its a small niche in the market where they could easily succeed in. Brazil have conquered the market for armed turbo prop, but for the next step up with jet power there really isn't anything is as good as the Mig-29SSMT within the price range, the Jas Gripen and the KAI T-50 cost more than the Mig-29SMT and the Mig-29SMT is better than the KAI T-50. And we are yet to see an armed version of the Yak-130 being showcased and tested but they really need to get a move on with it.

    It also makes sense for Serbia to get the Mig-29SMT as they are use to flying Mig-29 so apart from learning news systems theres nothing else to learn. And the main draw back of the Mig-29SMT was range but Serbia not being the biggest country the range shouldn't be a problem. Also you have to look at what the surrounding countries have, and i think the Mig-29SMT out does the majority.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:34 pm

    I agree that the SMT level would be ideal... in addition to improving performance in all areas it also promises to reduce operational costs by 40% over the original aircraft so it ticks all the boxes.
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    Serbian Mi-17V5 at Kazan.

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:19 pm

    Certain (not very legit) sources in Serbia claim that Serbia and Russia finally agreed on delivery of 6 MiG-29s from the Russian service. Machines were allegedly chosen by the Serbian technicians and will be additionally overhauled to match 10 year lifespan, to serve to 2027. Also allegedly overhaul cost was reduced from 45 to 20 million USD on request by Sergey Shoygu.

    Same sources claim there are additional negotiations underway (half of which is out of the question to be true):

    Buk-M2 (2 batteries) - maybe.. long stick

    T-72B3 (30 tanks) - not happening

    AN-26 (2) - possible but i rather expect its about overhaul of two existing we already have

    BRD-M2(?) - BRDM-2? Allegedly 30 of these, whatever they are

    Mi-24V (4) - maybe, but not likely

    Tor + Tunguska - Doubtful

    Kornet-E - Doubtful as they mentioned Konkurs might be obtained to be integrated on Lazar 2

    OTR-21 Tochka - not happening

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    Re: Russia - Serbia military deals

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:42 pm

    Serbia to negotiate purchase of Russian Buk anti-aircraft missile systems

    MOSCOW, December 19. /TASS/. Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday he plans to discuss purchase of Russian Buk anti-aircraft missile systems when he will be paying a visit to Russia.

    "We will discuss the issue of anti-aircraft missile systems, probably Buk-M1 or Buk-M2, which will be cheaper for us as we will pay for them," Beta news agency quoted him as saying. "The price is going to be very good and we are thankful to the Russians for that."

    Earlier in the day, Vucic announced plans to buy six Russian MiG-29 fighter jets.

    After talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Belgrade on December 12, Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic told a news conference that Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic’s visit to Moscow due on December 21 will focus on issues of arms supplies to Serbia. He did not disclose details of a possible deal, saying it is was "confidential information."


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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:36 am

    Russia to Deliver Six MiG-29 Jets to Serbia Next Spring

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201612201048776604-russia-serbia-mig-29/
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:31 pm

    Details of the largest Russian-Serbian weapons contract

    According to our blog of famous Serbian aviation expert Svetozar Jokanovic, as a result of the talks with the Prime Minister of Serbia, Vucic with the Russian leadership, in 2017 the Serbian army will receive six MiG-29, 30 tanks T-72S and 30 BRDM-2, as well as other military equipment. The contract is planned to sign on 23 December. In the course of 2017 it is expected to sign new contracts - at the beginning of the second phase of modernization of the Armed Forces, which will include the purchase of SAM "Buk-M2", "Tunguska", triaxial radar, 4 combat helicopters. Delivery of the equipment is scheduled for 2018.


    One of the planned transfer to the Air Force and Air Defence of Serbia MiG-29 (registration RF-93709, hull number "04 blue"), formerly part of the 31th Fighter Wing, in Millerovo, 2013

    The most important part of the contracts signed by the package are the six MiG-29 from the presence of VKS Russia previously operated on the air base Millerovo (31th Fighter Wing), and is currently located at Kubinka airfield. Aircraft are gift to the Ministry of Defence of the Serbian army. All four single aircraft and two "double-seat" are in flying condition, but Serbia will pay for Russian aircraft repair plant all the costs associated with bringing them to export image, the extension of the resource, the repair and modernization of all the six aircraft, as well as the four remaining Serbs MiG-29.
    The package also includes the supply of a large number of spare parts, additional equipment and weapons, sufficient to operate the aircraft for three to five years. This is in sharp contrast to the current practice of the Ministry of Defence of Serbia to acquire components for the operation of the "here and now".

    Ultimately, Serbia, after a long break will be composed of seven single serviceable fighter and three "double-seat" that will allow the normal process of training, which is now virtually impossible in the Air Force and Air Defence which has only two serviceable MiG-29B, one MiG-29UB and one MiG-21UM, which are mainly used to patrol.

    In general, the first stage of modernization of the Serbian Army plans to spend 180 to 230 million euros. The modernization of the MiG-29 will include installation of a new radar and the ability to use missiles "air-to-air" RVV-AE.

    In addition, it is planned to sign a contract for the purchase of helicopters with the concern Airbus. This is due to the practice of another era Tito by diversifying import military. Traditionally, once the Serbian government announces new military contracts with Russia, there are reports of planned purchase from the West.

    For example, a contract for the purchase of Airbus Helicopters H215M helicopters was "almost" signed at the same time that Serbia has bought two helicopters Mi-17V5. Now, the same role is played by 13 Airbus H145M helicopters. And the facts show that Serbia is trying to modernize its helicopter fleet with the help of Arab funds and the European Union, but so far without apparent success.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:45 pm

    What, T-72's? Doesn't Serbia make m84's and upgrades?
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:21 pm

    M-84 was based on T-72
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:32 pm

    But made in Yugoslavia/Serbia vs T-72 that wasn't. Or was but modified and built by Serbia. Whatever.
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    Serbia to receive tanks, MiG-29 planes and armoured vehicles from Russia as gifts

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:52 am

    Serbia to receive tanks, MiG-29 planes and armoured vehicles from Russia as gifts

    BELGRADE, December 22 /TASS/. Russia will deliver six MiG-29 fighter jets, thirty T-72 tanks and 30 BRDM reconnaissance and patrol vehicles free of charge in a gesture of support for the Balkan nation.
    Serbia will have to spend from €180 mln to €230 mln for the planes’ modernization, which will take place in three stages, Serbian news agency Tanjug reported on Thursday.
    "Had we wanted to purchase planes equipped with the rockets we want to have, they would have cost us about €600 mln," Tanjug quoted Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic as saying after meeting Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu on December 21.

    According to Vucic, the agreements reached will significantly improve the Serbian army’s defensive capability. "We also received thirty T-72 C tanks, thirty BRDM-2 combat reconnaissance and patrol vehicles as well as 14.5 mm small arms as gifts," Vucic said.
    According to the Serbian prime minister, a contract for the delivery of MiG-29 planes is to be signed before Friday. The MiGs can be turned over to Serbia according to one of two scenarios. According to the first scenario, Russian experts will accompany the MiGs to Serbia next March where they will undergo repairs. According to the second scenario, the planes will remain in Russia until next November and will be supplied to Serbia repaired and modernized.
    Shoigu and Vucic also discussed the potential delivery of the Buk-M1 and BuK-M2 surface-to-air missile systems and the Tunguska Anti-Aircraft System to Serbia.
    "We could have bought Buk-M1 and BuK-M2 at the market price. But we do not have the money (€500 mln) at the moment. We better wait until 2018," Tanjug quoted Vucic as saying


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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:23 pm

    The current situation with the contract for the supply of MiG-29 fighters to Serbia

    As sources in the military industry of the Southern Balkans reported to our blog, at present, technicians from Serbia are taking courses in Lipetsk with the goal of mastering the maintenance of MiG-29 fighters. At the same time, the delivery of six MiG-29 fighters, an agreement on the transfer of which was achieved last year, is scheduled for July of this year. At the same time, the Serbian side is currently exploring the most economical options for aircraft delivery.

    At the same time, there are still some problems with the implementation of this contract. So, for today there is a limited number of technical personnel for servicing the MiG-29. It suffices for servicing four available MiG-29s (one of which is not in flight), but by the time when in Serbia, taking into account the Russian supply there will be 10 MiG-29, the number of technicians should reach the required level. At the same time, today it is difficult to maintain the serviceability of two aircraft at the same time for the implementation of air defense missions and combat training pilots. With three flying MiG-29 to carry out combat training is not easy.


    One of the MiG-29 fighters planned for the transfer of the air force and air defense of Serbia (registration RF-93709, onboard number "04 blue"), formerly part of the 31st Fighter Regiment of the Russian Air Force, Millerovo, 2013 (c) Vladimir Poluyanov / Russianplanes.net

    Also, there are difficulties with the modernization of the aircraft repair plant Moma Stanojlovic, who will soon have to repair Serbian MiG-29s, with repairs being carried out with the assistance of Russia, as well as servicing the Airbus H-145M helicopter at the second level (the helicopters themselves should be delivered in 2018 ), As well as repair helicopters Gazelle and Mi-17. The Ministry of Defense of Serbia plans to modernize the enterprise and turn it into a regional helicopter service center (Gazelle, H-145M and Mi-17).

    Serbia also has long-term plans to upgrade its fleet of Mi-17 helicopters, but the current budget for 2017, these costs are not provided. It is expected that the contract for the purchase of four more Mi-17V-5 helicopters will be concluded in 2018 or 2019.

    At the same time, according to sources, the option to purchase eight MiG-29s in Belarus is currently hardly considered and is not a priority for the Serbian side. A possible deal with Minsk can be concluded no earlier than 2018.

    At the same time, it became known that this year Serbian pilots on the MiG-29 will take part in the exercise BARS-2017.

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