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    Militarov

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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:52 pm

    eridan wrote:According to take off magazine article about mig's history and their tables of production,  1330 mig29 of all kinds were produced by 1992.

    Soviet breakup was earlier so a few less, and some were exported, so again some 100+ less. Some were lost in accidents, etc...

    Over 1000 for sure (including UB trainers) possibly up to 1200 at the moment of breakup.

    100+ less? Ukraine alone inherited more than that.
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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:16 pm

    eridan wrote:According to take off magazine article about mig's history and their tables of production,  1330 mig29 of all kinds were produced by 1992.

    Soviet breakup was earlier so a few less, and some were exported, so again some 100+ less. Some were lost in accidents, etc...

    Over 1000 for sure (including UB trainers) possibly up to 1200 at the moment of breakup.

    800+ sounds about right to me.

    The cold war was the biggest arms race of all time. The biggest most overkill armament of all time. 400 ? Nah.

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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:08 am



    Militarov wrote:100+ less? Ukraine alone inherited more than that.


    Militarov probably you want to know the number of MiG-29 - of different designation - operative with Russian Air Force after URSS's breakup while nastle77 want to know the number of MiG-29 operative with Soviet Air Force -excluded Warsaw Pact nations air forces - up to that date Wink


    From the previously mentioned book:

    "In 1992-93 the Russian Air Force operated about 580 MiG-29s, including the test and development aircraft owned by the Mykoyan OKB.
    By 2002 this had dwindled to about 490 machines ,including 239 Fulcrums in service with first-line units, 145 aircraft operated by training units and 89 aircraft at the Air Force's storage depots"


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    Right before breakup of USSR how many mig 29 were operational with VVS ?

    Post  nastle77 on Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:40 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:

    Militarov wrote:100+ less? Ukraine alone inherited more than that.


    Militarov probably you want to know the number of MiG-29 - of different designation - operative with Russian Air Force after URSS's breakup while nastle77 want to know the number of MiG-29 operative with Soviet Air Force -excluded Warsaw Pact nations air forces - up to that date Wink


    From the previously mentioned book:

    "In 1992-93 the Russian Air Force operated about 580 MiG-29s, including the test and development aircraft owned by the Mykoyan OKB.
    By 2002 this had dwindled to about 490 machines ,including 239 Fulcrums in service with first-line units, 145 aircraft operated by training units and 89 aircraft at the Air Force's storage depots"    

    Exactly !
    So it's safe to assume yefim gordon is right in suggesting 800 + mig 29 by 1990 operational with soviet airforces. ?
    I also found that the ATTU or Atlantic to Ural count of fulcrum was 455 in the CFE estimation so probably the rest were still in Pacific or central Asia?

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    Mig-23ML production

    Post  nastle77 on Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:26 am

    How many Mig-23ML and MLA were produced ?
    I have read about 1000

    but at the same time about 500 Mig-23P and 500 Mig-23MLD were produced so were these former Mig-23ML and MLA converted to Mig-23P and MLD standards

    OR

    Mig-23P was produced seperately and its numbers were 500 , in addition to the 1000 ML and MLA produced for VVS

    Hope that makes sense

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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:00 pm

    The MiG 23 that flew for 560 miles without the pilot then crashed in a farm killing a boy

    https://m.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/barney-checkthe-mig-23-that-flew-for-560-miles-without-the-pilot-then-crashed-in-a-farm-killing-a-boy.html

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    chaff and flare dispensers in soviet fighters

    Post  nastle77 on Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:31 am

    I was wondering if soviet aircraft in the 80s were fitted with chaff and dispensers?
    was it standard on all versions ? or only on certain specific upgrades

    Also did the soviet aircraft of 80s like Mig-23ML,MLD, Mig-23P,Mig-25PDS ,MiG-29 had chaff/flare dispensers ?
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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  Giulio on Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:38 am

    Yes, not only fighters.

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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  nastle77 on Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:48 pm

    Giulio wrote:Yes, not only fighters.

    can you give some details

    what kind of systems were installed

    im only interested in fighters

    thanks
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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:34 am

    I remember reading comments in the 1990s from mainly british aircraft magazines about how the flares and chaff dispensors of the east german MiG-29s were quite effective against Sidewinders.

    To be clear the early model IR guided missiles often just headed for the hottest thing it could see, which often meant the sun. That led to improved designs with filters that went for the second hottest thing it could see. This led to flares with different intensities. By the 1980s and early 1990s they often detected UV rays which surfaces like metal or engines or even plastics don't give off... only the sun. flares, and burning fuel in an AB. They also changed the seeker to look for patterns of heat instead of individual hot points.

    That is why today most fighters and transports releasing flares release great streams of them in order to make patterns.

    With new IIR sensors that is all pretty much a waste of time and you actually have to actively deal with the sensor using DIRCMs... ie lasers to dazzle or damage optical sensors.
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    Re: History of Cold war Soviet aircrafts

    Post  Giulio on Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:59 am

    nastle77 wrote:
    Giulio wrote:Yes, not only fighters.

    can you give some details

    what kind of systems were installed

    im only interested in fighters

    thanks

    Afaik on the Mig-29 the dispensers were in a horizontal container placed in front of the root of each tail fin. In The Mig-23/27 in horizontal containers above the fuselage. On the Su-25 near the tail. Different configurations over time. On the Il-76/A-50 near the tail, on both sides. On the An-22 on the landing gear fairings, etc....

    For example:

    https://topwar.ru/21611-istrebiteli-mig-23-v-afganistane.html

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