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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:03 pm

    How is it a troglodite like Aristide is allowed to spew his nonsense yet TR1 got banned?
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Aristide on Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:34 pm

    Kimppis wrote:That doesn't even deserve a reply. That being said, I actually largely agree with you on the monkey question. I certainly don't know a lot about biology, but "we" are all primates and even hominids, so it's not technically wrong... Why not? Sure you can use it as an insult, and in that sense it's similar to the word "animal". I can't wait for that debate! Are we Homo Sapies animals or not? Maybe some of you can start quoting Bible while you're it, or something?  Rolling Eyes  

    But wow, I just realized that the LE gap between Russia and the US is probably now similar to the gap between the US and many Western European countries!!

    And just a few short years ago Obummer and many Western "experts" kept ridiculing Russia's low life expectancy. Haha, who am I kidding, I'm sure they still do that. After all, in their world it's always, if not 1998 in Russia, then at the very least 2008 (though Russia is still about to take over the world at the same time, somehow...).  

    (That in addition to several other recent demographic improvements: firstly, the aforementioned infant mortality rate, and secondly, the fact that Russia's homicide rate is probably already lower than in the US, it's very very close.)

    Its idiotic to use monkey or ape as an insult.

    Humans, Gorilla, Chimps, Bonobo, Orang Utan and Gibbon belong to the very same group of animals - Hominidae

    Some here obviously have no clue what a clade is or biology in general.

    As for life expectancy

    Life expectancy in France is 82,27 years in 2016

    In russia its 71,59 years in 2016.

    Thats almost a 10 year difference.

    I dont know why you you bring up USA though.

    In France we say Russia is a Nigeria with snow. And the USA are a Russia with more money.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Kimppis on Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:18 pm

    Aristide wrote:Its idiotic to use monkey or ape as an insult.

    Humans, Gorilla, Chimps, Bonobo, Orang Utan and Gibbon belong to the very same group of animals - Hominidae

    Agreed, exactly.

    As for life expectancy

    Life expectancy in France is 82,27 years in 2016

    In russia its 71,59 years in 2016.

    Yeah, in 2016. It was probably around 74 at the end of 2018. The gap is narrowing rapidly, that's the point...

    I dont know why you you bring up USA though.

    Because the US is "exceptional," "the richest country in the world" and "the shining city on the hill". (Russia on the other hand is Mordor, under the heel of Putler.) And come on now, the US is also your (read: Western Europe as a whole) master.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Aristide on Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:37 pm

    Kimppis wrote:
    Aristide wrote:Its idiotic to use monkey or ape as an insult.

    Humans, Gorilla, Chimps, Bonobo, Orang Utan and Gibbon belong to the very same group of animals - Hominidae

    Agreed, exactly.

    As for life expectancy

    Life expectancy in France is 82,27 years in 2016

    In russia its 71,59 years in 2016.

    Yeah, in 2016. It was probably around 74 at the end of 2018. The gap is narrowing rapidly, that's the point...

    I dont know why you you bring up USA though.

    Because the US is "exceptional," "the richest country in the world" and "the shining city on the hill". (Russia on the other hand is Mordor, under the heel of Putler.) And come on now, the US is also your (read: Western Europe as a whole) master.

    France has no master.

    We do whats best for us.

    We keep Iran alive. We kill american puppets. In some points we agree with them, in others we dont.

    Nordstream II pipeline is build against USA will with french protection.

    France always had its own agenda. And i think thats good.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Teshub on Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:19 pm

    Aristide wrote:France has no master.


    Don't make me laugh. France has been a US puppet since Sarkozy dropped his trousers and bent over. The people may dream of liberty, but France's ruling politicians traded away their sovereignty years ago.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:22 am

    Its idiotic to use monkey or ape as an insult.

    Only in the sense that if I called you a Monkey or an Ape that would actually be offensive to Apes and Monkeys...

    Just because genetically they are more closely related to homosapians doesn't make them the same you moron.

    All life is related genetically, that doesn't make us all the same...

    How is it a troglodite like Aristide is allowed to spew his nonsense yet TR1 got banned?

    Didn't TR-1 decide to leave?

    We don't ban members for having different opinions or views we don't approve of... this is not the BBC or CNN...
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Tingsay on Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:37 am

    Aristide wrote:

    France has no master.


    Ha..Ha Ha
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

    You got the Jokes!
    That's  why France stopped the Mistral deal even though it was profitable for France. But Master said "no, eiffell boys. No! Behave!
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  havok on Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:14 am

    GarryB wrote:You seem stuck on the economic aspects of communism, but real communism would be where everyone owned everything and therefore there would be no private ownership of anything which has never been attempted let alone achieved.
    Wrong. Communism have been achieved -- the monastery, which includes the nunnery.

    In the monastery, membership is VOLUNTARY, a concept that Soviet/Chinese style commies have a hard time understanding. Further, as members are volunteers, they truly live the ideals -- or comes very close -- of Marxism, which is: From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

    GarryB wrote:Free market capitalism does not work... the market does not balance itself out... and having lots of rich people does not mean the money eventually trickles down and helps the poor.
    That is hilarious considering how often China is praised in this forum for using capitalism to raise hundreds of millions of her poor out of poverty.

    GarryB wrote:
    Eastern Germany lost 2 million people who escaped to the west. Then they build the wall to lock their own people in. Like a prison.

    You mean like Americas wall that may or may not get built... these 2 million people were economic migrants... much like the tens of millions of Europeans who fled to the US and Australia and New Zealand and Canada and many other countries... and just like all the poor Africans coming to France to live with you...
    So what if they were economic migrants? How well you economically provide for the people is the best indicator of your abilities as a government.

    When I was active duty, I had a chance to tour East Berlin when it existed. Sorry to any German in this forum, but East Berlin was a dump compared to West Berlin. I was propositioned to sell my Levi's jeans. Trying to compare a US-Mexico border wall to the Berlin Wall is a feeble attempt at distraction from the spectacular failure that was communism.

    A few yrs ago, I visited the National Museum of the USAF in Dayton, Ohio. Here is the USAF's souvenir segment of the Berlin Wall. My personal pic.



    The Berlin Wall was a wall of a political and economic prison. The Berlin Wall was a monument of spectacular political and economic failure, hence its desirability no matter how small its remnants. Economic migrants have the freedoms to come and go as they can and will. The Berlin Wall was not built for such allowance. If the issue was purely economic, why shoot those tried to pass?

    There is no possible salvage of face for communism, the Soviet Union, and its vassals. All were spectacular failures.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:07 am

    havok wrote:Economic migrants have the freedoms to come and go as they can and will.

    You are not allowed to get out of your country unless the authority say you can.

    Every country have this or that kind of border control. Especially when your neighbor belongs to the military faction that is hostile to you.

    havok wrote:Wrong. Communism have been achieved -- the monastery, which includes the nunnery.

    Further, as members are volunteers, they truly live the ideals -- or comes very close -- of Marxism, which is: From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

    No, no, no, no, no, and no.

    What Marxism says is: the means of production have to be given back to their rightful owners that is the working class.

    The slogan "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." is usually intentionally removed from its context. The context that is a far future society when production forces already achieve a much much higher than today.

    Marx and Marxists never claim that they invent communism. The notion communism exists long long ago. All civilizations have the notion of an "ideal society" where all properties are public and there is no theft, robbers or war.

    Monasteries are nothing close to communism. Communism means the whole functional society, which is able to produce and to feed itself. Monasteries are feed by the society.

    Marx and other revolutionaries aimed to reform the whole society, not to create toys.

    Marxism never aims to bring people into a beehive or ant colony although Western propaganda always say so.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:20 am

    Wrong. Communism have been achieved -- the monastery, which includes the nunnery.

    Hardly a self sustaining system... it generally relies in its tax exempt status and donations to exist... and of course the donation of land and money to the church to support it...

    In the monastery, membership is VOLUNTARY, a concept that Soviet/Chinese style commies have a hard time understanding.

    Of course, whereas the Russian peasants ruled over by their royal superiors were given the choice of serfdom or communism and they chose the latter it seems despite serious western support for the former... imposed in blood.

    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

    WOW... it almost sounds like capitalism and democracy... where the 8.3 percent most rich need 80 percent of the worlds wealth and resources... Twisted Evil

    That is hilarious considering how often China is praised in this forum for using capitalism to raise hundreds of millions of her poor out of poverty.

    Of course... in China there are no rules or regulations... Chinese companies just do as they please with no regard for anything at all... that is why they are despised in most of the third world because they go in and bully and steal and buy up resources and then leave the locals with nothing except a clean up bill they can't afford... Ooopps... no... that is the colonial west that does that.... China builds roads and hospitals and schools...

    So what if they were economic migrants? How well you economically provide for the people is the best indicator of your abilities as a government.

    Reminds me of the old joke about any country you don't like... lets pick the Ukraine... how do you set a Ukrainian up with a small company... give him a big company and wait a year...

    There is nothing Venezuela could possibly do to become wealthy even with an enormous abundance of oil in their control, because the US wants it and will isolate and sanction Venezuela until they hand control of the oil reserves to US companies... the US will also pressure Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries they can control with economic sanctions, or by simply bombing them to change their production levels to suit the US's need for cheap oil for their economy.

    The US can bomb Libya and Iraq and Syria... even if they don't get to take over the oilfields they know those countries will need to spend a lot of money to rebuild and they do that by pumping oil to pay for it... cheap oil is enough though they prefer their own companies to take the profits directly just keeping the cost of oil down is enough most of the time.


    When I was active duty, I had a chance to tour East Berlin when it existed. Sorry to any German in this forum, but East Berlin was a dump compared to West Berlin. I was propositioned to sell my Levi's jeans. Trying to compare a US-Mexico border wall to the Berlin Wall is a feeble attempt at distraction from the spectacular failure that was communism.

    All the jeans I own were made in Bangledesh or China.... perhaps on reflection, the East Germans could have had a much better standard of living if they weren't spending most of their budget defending themselves from US and western aggression... the US seems to be the only economy that thrives on the death trade of war and militarisation... For a country that claims to be the centre of democracy and peace you ignore democracy and start wars at the drop of a hat...

    But lets not bring morality into this... who cares what the facts are America is not to blame...

    The Berlin Wall was a wall of a political and economic prison.

    But a wall between the US and Mexico is all about peace and love for fellow man... I guess Mexicos economic problems are because of Communism too?

    Or dem niggers jus too lazy? If only they were American...

    The Berlin Wall was a monument of spectacular political and economic failure, hence its desirability no matter how small its remnants.

    A monument to what the peace and freedom loving west does to economic and political and religious rivals to its colonial hegemony... Communism is no longer practised in Russia, yet the west is treating it rather worse than it has ever done before... is that their reward for choosing democracy?

    I am sure that many there are now regretting trusting the west... I am sure the native Americans from the north pole to the southern tip of South America have the same regrets...

    Economic migrants have the freedoms to come and go as they can and will.

    You mean like the ones moving from Africa to Europe? The ones found to be economic migrants are being sent home... leading to most of them destroying their papers and complicating things as much as they can...

    The Berlin Wall was not built for such allowance. If the issue was purely economic, why shoot those tried to pass?

    The Berlin wall was built in a country that had recently devastated the Soviet Union... as far as the Soviets were concerned the West Germans got off pretty lightly for their crimes... but they had no control there... but in East Germany there were plenty who wanted an easier life in the rich US subsidised European west... many took secret documents to assure they would not get sent back... shooting at them was no better or no worse than the treatment those same East Germans would have meted out to an escaping Soviet prisoner... the poverty the East Germans had to endure was nothing compared to what the Soviets went through with their cities destroyed multiple times by the superior German forces... captured Soviets worked to death if not shot out of hand by German officers.

    Yeah, if you want sympathy from me... nah.

    There is no possible salvage of face for communism, the Soviet Union, and its vassals. All were spectacular failures.

    Ironic in the sense that you are an american criticising a political system that was pretty much on a continual war footing because of your country and its allies... ohh... they didn't have blue jeans... and their record shops probably didn't have all the latest western singles available as soon as western record shops... and their sugar water fizzy drinks were hard to get... oh no...

    Marx and Marxists never claim that they invent communism. The notion communism exists long long ago. All civilizations have the notion of an "ideal society" where all properties are public and there is no theft, robbers or war.

    The best example of communism is a bee hive... there is no leader... but each has a basic drive and basic instructions and when it is all working it works... the queen is just as much a slave as a queen... she is trapped and continually lays eggs to sustain the hive, the workers work, the guards guard... no body questions their position... nobody flits between job types because they are really not sure what they want to be... there is no police or brute squad to force bees to do this or that... bees will naturally protect their queen because it is in their interests to do so... some sickly workers might eat a bit of the product to boost their energy, but no one steals from work and collects illgotten gains in their "house".

    Of course it helps if the population is mindless, so America is half way there already... Twisted Evil

    The sad thing is that the Soviets knew they were being lied to... Americans don't realise it and don't really care when it is pointed out, because the lies are constructed to keep the machine going. Americans really don't give a shit about democracy or freedom or peace or their fellow man... it is the price of oil and can I get a good job or a pay increase and everyone else can go Fk themselves... CIA torturing prisoners... kidnapping people... dodging trial by international court for war crimes... all fine... but the KGB are evil because that is what they do all the time... no proof but it is the sort of thing they would do because they are the bad guys... like the CIA.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:28 am

    The propaganda is that the US Navy is invincible but this is surprising to me:

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-decline-of-us-navy.html

    https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/us-navy-crashes-japan-cause-mccain/

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