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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:33 am

    Thank You Garry.  The Americans are such evil snakes.  If a conflict were to occur I would hope that Russia is able to humble the US military and nation of its out of control arrogance and inflict serious hurt on them; I say this despite myself being American.

    It is never one country or one people... statistics from war has shown that only something 4-5 percent of the population actually want to kill other people... and half of those are sociopaths... with proper training you can make anyone kill like that sadly... which was why the British war in the Falklands was so one sided and also why other conflicts like with Israel and Arab armies the results seem so lobsided... of course they often don't deal with the resulting guilt and feelings created by doing such things to fellow human beings.

    The point is that the west is the good guy because they write the history books you read... when you push someone on what they are doing being morally wrong by their own suggested set of morals they will often reply... well imagine what it would be like if Russia was in charge... or China, but of course neither of these two countries are fighting for control of the world like the west has... they don't see themselves as leading human civilisation with the burden of bringing the savages out into the light like so many westerners do.

    The reality is that it has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with keeping a good lifestyle at the expense of others... who they despise and look down upon...

    If you read some posts by Aristide on this forum, his attitude is not typically French... it is the typical attitude of the rich in any western country... and unknown to them most of the "leading" civilisations before them... they have to justify their position... having too much and wanting more, while so many others do without... how else could you sleep at night except assume you deserve it.... and somehow they don't. Poor people are stupid. Poor people are bad. Poor people wouldn't know what to do with a fine French wine worth $10,000 per bottle, and they wouldn't appreciate what they had if they were given it... of course they would rather have the cash... the swine.

    There is a song that demonstrates this strange transition that occurred in the 1980s when consumerism and greed is good came into being in the west...



    Another thing I hate is when many Americans equate healthcare with Communism and Socialism; do people in other parts of the world find that strange and extreme? It is really bizarre propaganda.

    Americans fear big government but trust with open arms big business... europe seems to be the opposite.

    America has the best healthcare system in the world, the sad thing is that it is also the most expensive healthcare in the world and so many people can't access it because of this.

    It has become a scam system to fleece insurance companies it seems, and to sell drugs for the drug companies... don't cure them... just get them hooked on medications they will need to take for the rest of their lives... so in that sense it really is something to be afraid of...

    I was thinking over the past few weeks and I have come to the conclusion that America is really a right wing reactionary country; do you and others in foreign lands see the USA in that light?

    Most of what we see is through TV and video and movies, so we see the largely liberal pro gay pro minority, yet the anger is directed at Putin and Russia and North Korea and Iran, and not countries like Saudi Arabia where you can be executed in the most brutal manner for being gay... to be honest it is confusing.

    If someone is a freedom fighter fighting Russia or North Korea or China or Iran then they are instantly the darling of the west and the US, but if it turns out they speak out against other things too then they can be dropped like a hot rock... there was a Russian activist who was oppressed in Russia and escaped... I think it was to France... he is currently in a French jail for setting fire to the doorway of a major western bank... he said Russian prisons are much nicer than French ones, but he is getting no media support now that it is not the FSB he is protesting...

    To be honest... left wing, right wing... what do they really mean?

    As far as the rest of the world you still lock people up at Guantanimo Bay, you still have soldiers in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Georgia, and a huge number of other places around the world... still poking the bear... still poking the chinese... now you are even poking the europeans... of course you always did this but it used to be behind closed doors... not out in public...

    Russia , through  cultural contact and sport and politics can shine a light on this blind spot of the Iranian nation and Iranians can also shine a light on the blind spot of the Russians . Through their culture  and religion . A fight against corrupt western practices in society . A popular hollywood influence of nudity and materialism ......

    The real frustrating thing... Russian interference in US elections... there has been zero evidence of any of it... and even when it is mentioned they say there is no evidence it influenced even a single vote, yet when Russian officials mention US meddling in Russian elections or other elections around the world the US officials say so what... like it is their right to meddle in elections around the world... I think if the Russians really were meddling in US elections they would have the same problem US voters have... who do you vote in favour of because they are all shit. I wouldn't let Trump manage an orgy in a brothel. And that bitch Clinton... they blame white women for not voting her into power... the fact that she forgave her husband for being a male slut shows she has no self respect... why vote her in?

    They had Obama... did that stop black people getting shot out of hand by US police? NO. Having a woman as president wont change gender politics either.

    There is a reason white men have been voted in... and it wasn't because they were white men... it was because the majority of the people thought they were best for the job and not because of the colour of their skin or gender.

    Now people are demanding people vote for clinton because she is a woman... fuck off.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:15 am

    Thank you Garry B , for reply . I must say , and said before . That the problem is not so much the humanity's politics or culture or ethnicity . It is not even so much historical or geographical . It is humanity that is the problem .  

    For example if instead of the jews who were persecuted in Nazi Germany . And fled into Palestine  . And became occupiers and usurpers . We had Eskimos  who were persecuted by the Arctic foxes . And fled into papua New guinea.  Then they would become occupiers and usurpers .

    Under the best conditions and circumstances . Humans choose to do wrong . It is a fail of their intellect or spirit or some other faculty . Present in other animals . For this reason they are not social but anti- social creatures . They only live in society because they have to . If you ask any human , what do you wish for ? They will say ; My own island , with nobody around !

    I have no faith in humanity . I think that humans are headed for extinction . And a good job too . Sometimes I wish that a meteor , ten miles wide , with an iron core , smashed into the earth . And killed all humans  . Including me and all people I know . I would send a meteor . If I had the power . May god hear my prayer .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:31 am

    That is called throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    Not all people are bad, but bad people will always find it easier to get into power than good people.

    The other thing is that people are not all bad or all good... if you listened to the song I posted above, one of the lyrics says basically that there is bad in all of us... but we don't all let it through.

    There are lots of solutions... some are plainly obvious... some are not obvious at all.

    Someone with an anti gun agenda will say banning all firearms will stop gun rampages.

    Just like banning drugs prevents drug overdoses I guess.

    Perhaps if there were fewer people who don't feel part of any society, then there would be fewer people who did that sort of thing, but to run amok is to run through the village with a large knife and murder people at random... it is a word from Malaya I think... so to think killing rampages will be solved by making legal ownership of firearms difficult or impossible then you are wrong.

    In fact if you make it illegal, what you are doing is creating a black market, so instead of buying that pump action shotgun to protect yourself because you are paranoid and the government just wants to take your guns... you could get something you could never normally get, like a Mac10 SMG or some other silly thing... plus it puts you into contact with criminals who might sell you drugs or stolen property or all sorts of bad shit.

    The thing about using laws to fix things is that criminals don't care about laws.

    Maybe you are right... a good asteroid impact to cull the numbers and remind people that they belong to the most amazing race, the most powerful race, but sometimes also the most stupid and destructive race on the planet but the label for that race is not white or black or yellow or red.... it is human.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:40 am

    Studies say that some 3-4% of CEOs are psychopaths compared to 1% of the general population and the whole distribution curve of agreeableness is shifted to the left compared to the general population. It is most likely the same with politicians. So maybe introducing some kind of psychological tests for people aspiring for high leadership positions can help weed out at least some of the jerks who normally occupy them?

    Humans evolved to be good enough (yes - just good enough, biological evolution does not plan) to survive on African savanna in hunter-gatherer groups of no more than 150 people. Maybe it's time ti more from Ape v2.0 to PostApe v1.0?
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:43 pm

    Human problems now far exceed  human solutions to these problems . I don't think it is a few bad apples . The problem affects most . As oldenberg said a new evolution is needed . A radical shift in human thinking . Recently in some Nordic country they banned the word " black " or " white " to describe one's background  . I think we all do well to refer  to each other as " human " . Perhaps modern technology can help us . They wanted to make human brains to connect to internet directly . With cyber implants . If we could talk more  directly without words . Even feeling each other's feelings . Then we all get a better sense of each other's weakness . And then can help each other . Against propaganda . A truncated and convoluted secondhand experience . Transmitted through vastly limiting spoken words in different languages . And controlled and biased mass media .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:26 pm

    I was thinking more about biological/genetic manipulation. Just aborting fetuses with high risk of psychopathy should reduce crime by 20-25% for example. In Denmark 98 percent of fetuses with Down syndrome are aborted and the disease should disappear within a generation.That's a good start I think.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:58 pm

    Yes modern science provides a hope . If humanity was subject to science . A lot could be done to correct genetic problems before birth . So to reduce abortions . But if this is not possible then early intervention is a solution . By early I mean stopping conception by couples who carry risk . But also extending human life span.We all die too early . Imagine if people who were born three hundred years ago . Were still alive today ! What wonders would they be capable of . Generally the old are better than the young .

    However does western propaganda allow scientific living ? We have the President rejecting all evidence of climate change . And opens old coal mine . For dirty and cheap energy . There are  a lot of examples of economic interest groups that reject science .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:29 pm


    And don't you guys ever say that I never do anything nice for you lol1


    Is Masha and the Bear a Putin stooge? Critics claim cartoon with 4.18m subscribers is made by Kremlin to subvert children

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6400667/Is-friendly-Russian-Bear-YouTube-Putin-stooge.html


    Now I don't usually recommend actually reading the articles from Daily Mail but in this case I make an exception because it's a freaking nirvana!!!
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  starman on Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:44 pm

    nomadski wrote:Imagine if people who were born three hundred years ago . Were still alive today ! What wonders would they be capable of . Generally the old are better than the young .

    Laughing Unfortunately that could've been inimical to progress. Max Planck once said a new scientific idea dosn't prevail by converting its opponents and making them see the light. Instead a new generation which is used to it just replaces the old one.

    There are  a lot of examples of economic interest groups that reject science .

    In the field of genetics it's the holy joes who tend to impede applications.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  starman on Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:45 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I was thinking more about biological/genetic manipulation. Just aborting fetuses with high risk of psychopathy should reduce crime by 20-25% for example. In Denmark 98 percent of fetuses with Down syndrome are aborted and the disease should disappear within a generation.That's a good start I think.

    I agree absolutely. If only we had leaders with that kind of pragmatic intelligence here in the US....
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:52 pm

    @ starman

    What you said about science needing younger generation to succeed for  "progress"  , may be true . People get stuck in old ways . And some religious beliefs also can stop progress . But I think it also depends how we define progress . Is it a standard given to us by firm moral and historical understanding ? Or a fashion propagated by economic interest groups dressed up as science ? Or science unrestrained by moral purpose ?

    For example the atom bomb and the internal combustion engine and human cloning are highly scientific .  But are they what the world needs ? I believe that the wisdom of our ancestors is well remembered . And a  few people learn as they grow older . And they remember mistakes .  Some corruption in the world is now because the young do not remember or know the world being different .

    There are a minority that  learn . That apply the lessons from the past . That use science wisely  . The majority will not do this  . Because humans are sinners . And nothing will probably save them !  But it is better that all try to save the world , even if all they will save is their own souls .

    The reason the old get stuck in their ways , is because they are old . If a 150 year old feels and thinks like a twenty year old , then that is what I mean by extending life span . Additional learning may help . But in this I am not sure . I don't think human problems are because of lack of understanding . Or information . It is to do with our natures  . What we are born with .

    Still growing older  may help . For example as a young child , I used to hunt birds with my catapult   . Even if I did not need to eat them . Now fifty years later ,  I feed the birds . And worry after them . So I have improved with age . But is this enough to save the world ?

    On science , I am not a zealot . Science is by nature highly accurate , but in a very limited way . The exact consideration of only a few variables are possible . That are seen to be related . But givena wider context the arguments usually fail . On religion and morals I am not a zealot . Religions  by nature are inaccurate ,  but in a very broad way . The general consideration of many variables are possible . Even those seen to be unrelated  . But given an exact narrower context  ,  they usually fail .

    ".........you will not be saved by the holy ghost..........you will not be saved by the god plutonium ....infact you will not be saved ......" From the film the prince of darkness .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:00 am

    In Denmark 98 percent of fetuses with Down syndrome are aborted and the disease should disappear within a generation.That's a good start I think.

    Oh, I love the irony... I really do... you talk about making society safer by using genetics to get rid of psychopaths, but the example you give is the mighty Danes, executing people with actual mental problems... the funny thing is that you call it a disease... have you been immunised against downs syndrome?

    My aunty has downs syndrome and she has 12 brothers and sisters and none of them or their children have "caught it".

    Funny thing is that despite having downs syndrome in her 60 odd years on this planet she has never stolen from others and has never murdered anyone... she is a bit of extra work for the family to care for her but she is certainly not a danger to the community.

    And this eliminating downs syndrome within a generation is amusing... do you really think murdering downs syndromes as being different in the middle ages also would have eliminated downs syndrome in a generation too?

    Obviously not as sophisticated as pre birth abortions, but looking at the child and then breaking its neck when it was clear there was something wrong would in effect be the same thing, though more brutal and politically non PC... I suspect in lessor cultures such things were done regularly behind closed doors.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:41 am

    It is the parents who choose to do the abortion. If there was a safe and proven way to cure the babies, all of them would choose it.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:21 pm

    So where do you draw the line... killing Downs Syndrome babies OK, but girls(because they wanted a boy) or boys(because they wanted a girl) is not OK?

    How about wanting blue eyed kids or fair skinned kids... what is OK and what is not.

    BTW because people are having kids at older ages often fertility drugs are used which often results in pregnancies with 8 or more babies at a time, so abortions become a necessity... but how do you know the one with the club foot is not the better child, while the otherwise healthy other two are serial killers to be, or kiddy fiddlers to be?

    What about kids predestined to be fat?

    Vulnerable to cancer?

    Gay?

    Lactose Intolerant?

    Getting to choose gives the illusion of choice, but how will your child feel when they grow up and find out they were one of 8 viable fetus's and the other 7 were terminated because they were not quite right... I don't know how I would feel... especially if I was an only child.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:27 pm

    There's the thing - in 15 years there will be no need to kill anyone. CRISPR is coming.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Nibiru on Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:41 pm

    time for some humor  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing



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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:11 pm

    Just a quick update. The Chinese winning the economic war big time. They are not only unaffected, but actually open the surpluses even more.
    I expect that they will not jeopardize it, like Putin, but they will push for a decisive victory.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Nibiru on Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:36 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    I expect that they will not jeopardize it, like Putin,

    I have been following the events between Russia and Nato but it seems I missed something big, What did Putin jeopardized??
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:32 pm

    Lol are you for real? 
    Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Georgia his stance towards Israel, the lack of support for N. Korea and Iran. His apathy for the violent enslavement of Scotland and Catalonia. The support to the imperialist aggressors in Afghanistan .. Just to name a few.
    Despite that the Russian military superiority is pretty evident at this stage.
    He is Chamberlain multiplied by a million.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Nibiru on Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:18 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Lol are you for real? 
    Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Georgia his stance towards Israel, the lack of support for N. Korea and Iran. His apathy for the violent enslavement of Scotland and Catalonia. The support to the imperialist aggressors in Afghanistan .. Just to name a few.
    Despite that the Russian military superiority is pretty evident at this stage.
    He is Chamberlain multiplied by a million.

    I didn’t consider Ukraine, Syria, Georgia to be complete failures but of course Russia could have done better, i guess we can only hope for so much, I am under the impression that Putin is playing a game of strategic patience thats why Russia is not going all in, besides just like what other people are saying Nato is trying to bait Russia to get involved in a full blown conflict that it cannot afford or retreat without colosal casualties. Time will tell if Putin’s gameplan will work or not.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:44 am

    Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Georgia his stance towards Israel, the lack of support for N. Korea and Iran.

    In the Ukraine the Russians ensured their lease for Sevastopol forever... that was a win despite being a loss for many Ukrainian people... also the thing that Putin could control... the Russian sanctions against EU foods has greatly benefited Russian farmers.

    Syria is another win for Russia and the Syrian people... a test for Russian military personel and equipment... if you had suggested they do what they did to me I would have said don't do it... it is a trap that will cost thousands of Russian lives, it will end in disaster and will cost money and make Russian weapons look bad.

    The reality was that it proved how professional the Russian military actually is, it has not cost that many lives, and it has shown Russian weapons to be rather good if not perfect. Improvements and upgrades that otherwise would not have happened are now in progress.

    Georgia... well to be fair that was on Medvedevs watch... you can hardly blame Putin for anything to do with that... and the wake up call has led to an enormous modernisation and improvement on the Russian military that allowed Russia to save Syria from becoming a total shit hole like Afghanistan.

    Instead it is likely to remain a serious ally of Iran... much to Israel and the USs disgust.... HAHAHAHA.

    Why would he give enormous support to Iran?

    When they got the opportunity to buy airliners they bought Boeings.

    It is in Russias interests to trade with them but they are hardly best buddies... Iran supported a faction in the Soviet Afghan war in the 1980s and the faction they supported didn't help the Soviet forces...

    North Korea is hardly a best friend of Russia either... they bought some stuff and do some trade, but hardly close allies.

    Russia is not the worlds policeman and wet nurse... they are not obliged to help every puppy that gets kicked by the US...

    First of all they need to help themselves by not licking Americas boots when they get a chance...

    Ask Gaddafi or Saddam...

    It almost happened to Assad who was sucking up to the west when they screwed him over.

    His apathy for the violent enslavement of Scotland and Catalonia.

    Hardly a problem for Russians.

    Don't forget not lifting a finger to save white south africans or the people getting killed in asia...

    The support to the imperialist aggressors in Afghanistan .. Just to name a few.

    Assisting in peace talks for Afghanistan is a sensible thing for Russia... they don't need war torn shit holes in their regions... it makes it too difficult to trade there.

    Once Afghanistan is stable and has a real government, Russia and Iran and Pakistan can work together to make it a safer place... a stable place... a place hostile to America and Americans...

    Despite that the Russian military superiority is pretty evident at this stage.

    Military superiority over the Ukraine, ISIS, and Georgia... but little in the way of real power projection... yet.

    He is Chamberlain multiplied by a million.

    Hahahaha.... the west so wishes he was... Chamberlain was totally ineffectual and actually rather pointless... if that was Putin the west would not hate him the way they do.

    If you could tell the west how to make putin like Chamberpot they would give you unlimited wealth...

    I am under the impression that Putin is playing a game of strategic patience thats why Russia is not going all in, besides just like what other people are saying Nato is trying to bait Russia to get involved in a full blown conflict that it cannot afford or retreat without colosal casualties. Time will tell if Putin’s gameplan will work or not.

    Putin is playing the hand he has been dealt and he started with a terrible hand and has worked up to a rather good hand but the people he is playing with cheat so there is no point in getting aggressive because there is no way he can win. All he can threaten with is the fact that it is in his power to make it so we all lose... which is nothing like winning in any sense.

    The west wants an excuse to crush him... he is not giving them that excuse so they make shit up like funding a coup in the Ukraine and blaming Russia for it... poisoning ex spies in the UK and blaming him personally for it... etc etc.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Nibiru Yesterday at 2:08 am

    I had a feeling Nato will try to find an excuse to link Russia to the current protests in France


    France to Probe Possible Russian Influence on Yellow Vest Riots

    France opened a probe into possible Russian interference behind the country’s Yellow Vest protests, after reports that social-media accounts linked to Moscow have increasingly targeted the movement.

    According to the Alliance for Securing Democracy, about 600 Twitter accounts known to promote Kremlin views have begun focusing on France, boosting their use of the hashtag #giletsjaunes, the French name for the Yellow Vest movement. French security services are looking at the situation, Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Sunday in a radio interview with RTL.

    Russia has been criticized for using social media to influence elections in the U.S. and elsewhere. Attempts to use fake news reports and cyberattacks to undercut the 2017 campaign of French President Emmanuel Macron failed, but Russian-linked sites have pushed questionable reports of a mutiny among police, and of officers’ support for the protests.

    “An investigation is now underway,” Le Drian said. “I will not make comments before the investigation has brought conclusions.”

    The Twitter accounts monitored by the alliance usually feature U.S. or British news. But the French protests “have been at or near the top” of their activity for at least a week, according to Bret Schafer, the alliance’s Washington-based social media analyst. “That’s a pretty strong indication that there is interest in amplifying the conflict” for audiences outside France.

    The Alliance for Securing Democracy is a unit of the German Marshall Fund of the U.S., which monitors pro-Kremlin activity.

    The assertion of police dissatisfaction -- which doesn’t appear to be supported by facts -- resembles other Kremlin-backed disinformation campaigns that have tried to engender mistrust in Western governments and show that liberal democracies are in decline, Schafer says.

    Russian State Media

    Much of the tweeted material comes from Russian state media outlets including the Sputnik news website, the RT television network, and Ruptly, a German-based video news agency that belongs to RT. These outlets are covering the French crisis closely; RT has said that 12 of its journalists have been injured in the protests, far more than any other news organization.

    Sputnik and RT have reported in recent days that most French police no longer support Macron and are siding with the protesters. Their sources: representatives of two small police unions that together won less than 4 percent of votes in nationwide union elections this month. Sputnik and RT also have shown a video – widely shared on French social media -- of police in the southwestern town of Pau removing their helmets in what was described as a sign of solidarity with protesters. Local police and journalists on the scene said the description was untrue. They said some officers had briefly removed their helmets to talk with protesters before putting them back on.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-09/pro-russia-social-media-aims-at-macron-as-yellow-vests-rage
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 4:12 am

    Considering the amount of anti Russian bullshit that is standard on western media outlets even if Russian media get a few things wrong you can hardly compare the two.

    Western media go out of their way to create a distorted and untrue picture of Russia and Russians... I personally would prefer it RT stopped endlessly talking about the west and actually started looking elsewhere... Trump and Micron and Merkel and May are on Russian news way too much... I would prefer seeing more about Russia, and things of interest in Russia.

    In fact they had a programme on RT called Technology Update... it was excellent and they stopped showing it... very disappointed about that... their fixation with what the west thinks of them is unhealthy... and can never lead to anything good.

    BTW why bother with a probe... the answer is always going to be it was Putin.

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