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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:13 pm

    The European Parliament declared Russia's information war

    MEPs adopted a resolution on "Strategic communication of the EU as a counter-propaganda of the third parties." The document, which is Advisory in nature, primarily directed against Russia. The authors of the text, offering to fight "misinformation" and calling to restrict the access of European citizens to a number of Russian media and organizations insist that such actions are taken for the sake of freedom of information.

    According to the drafters of the resolution, Russia is pursuing a "hostile propaganda" and strongly supports the opposition parties and organizations in the EU. The majority of MEPs did not bother to even call to counter propaganda "from Russia and Islamic terrorist groups", actually puts Russia on a par with global extremism. However, although in Moscow such a gesture from Europe is not happy, appeals to repay to partners the same coin sound. President Vladimir Putin said that Russia is "trying to teach democracy, but a ban is not the best way". The Russian leader expressed hope that common sense will prevail after all.

    As told "Izvestia" Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on international Affairs Konstantin Kosachev, the new resolution does not hold water.

    — Suffice it to recall that at the stage of preparation there was the odious factual errors. For example, a news Agency called channel. In resolution, there are no facts that would prove the existence of the information war to blame Russia. If they were, then the relevant Russian journalists have long worn out would be through the courts. This is not because the facts, operated by the Russian media, is impeccable. It turns out, in the European Parliament are not fighting with the distortion of facts and their interpretation and presentation. But this may not be the subject of counteraction. Colleagues in the European Parliament demonstrate the worst methods of the world socialist system, when it is already on our side, the real facts tried by all possible means, to cut off the end consumer in the USSR and other socialist countries. Doing that now MEPs. This is low-quality policy, — said Konstantin Kosachev.

    The Senator noted that Russia is no longer Soviet Union and do not conduct information warfare, "provides in accordance with the European values the access of Russian consumers of information to any interpretation of the facts".

    — We have to stay with it. I consider excessive to restrict the activities of foreign mass media towards Russia artificially as long as this activity stays within the law. We must be models of adherence to the values of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, which our European colleagues like to say, but that is definitely not committed in practice. This proves the resolution aimed to fix in the minds of Western people distrust the Russian media. This is an information war from the European Parliament. Do not rule out that behind the text there are specific lobbyists, piercing the funding for the Western media, — said Konstantin Kosachev.

    Among the "instruments of propaganda" in the resolution refers to the Federal Agency "Rossotrudnichestvo" under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. According to the head of the Agency Lyubov Glebova, to equate Rossotrudnichestvo to the tools of propaganda is completely unacceptable.

    The centre establishes and develops relations between ordinary people, a kind of "human bridges". The Agency is not propaganda. The main tools that we use are the promotion of Russian culture and the Russian language, Russian education, support of compatriots, work with young people. Realizing all these areas, we strive to maintain a trusting relationship with all partners and people, in whatever country they may be, with all those who are interested in Russia. Perhaps that is why we are afraid of all those whose head is firmly entrenched aggressive image of Russia who are not ready to hear and listen to an alternative point of view about Russia — said Lyubov Glebova "news".

    In turn, the special representative of Russian President for international cultural cooperation Mikhail Shvydkoi believes that the actions of MEPs did not differ foresight and can at some point reach the point of absurdity.

    — This resolution means recognizing the effectiveness of the Russian institutions. But it is meaningless. The activities of all these media organizations is determined by international agreements and the legislation of certain countries. Usually, this kind of things exist on a reciprocal basis. Imagine that closed Russian centre of science and culture in any country of the EU. In response we will close the accounting centre of the country. Is it good for the citizens? Do we make similar statements? It is possible to make. But I work with many foreign institutions and would not recommend to our parliamentarians to make statements against them, because they bring many benefits to the Russians. Such a resolution — a stupid act. Then it is necessary to prohibit Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov — they are the main "advocates" of cultural values of Russia, — said Mikhail Shvydkoi in an interview with "Izvestia".


    Militarov wrote: Jones is losing it abit
    who´s is this young retard talking sh!t about things he´s got no idea about?

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:56 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The European Parliament declared Russia's information war
    Their days are numbered, there will be elections soon in many EU countries from December this year through 2017: Austria, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Netherlands. We can be sure that right wing/conservative/eurosceptics will rise (or better still, form a government). These will probably revert the current Russophobia, as Trump will also likely do.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Sinan on Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:51 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The European Parliament declared Russia's information war

    MEPs adopted a resolution on "Strategic communication of the EU as a counter-propaganda of the third parties." The document, which is Advisory in nature, primarily directed against Russia. The authors of the text, offering to fight "misinformation" and calling to restrict the access of European citizens to a number of Russian media and organizations insist that such actions are taken for the sake of freedom of information.

    According to the drafters of the resolution, Russia is pursuing a "hostile propaganda" and strongly supports the opposition parties and organizations in the EU. The majority of MEPs did not bother to even call to counter propaganda "from Russia and Islamic terrorist groups", actually puts Russia on a par with global extremism. However, although in Moscow such a gesture from Europe is not happy, appeals to repay to partners the same coin sound. President Vladimir Putin said that Russia is "trying to teach democracy, but a ban is not the best way". The Russian leader expressed hope that common sense will prevail after all.

    As told "Izvestia" Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on international Affairs Konstantin Kosachev, the new resolution does not hold water.

    — Suffice it to recall that at the stage of preparation there was the odious factual errors. For example, a news Agency called channel. In resolution, there are no facts that would prove the existence of the information war to blame Russia. If they were, then the relevant Russian journalists have long worn out would be through the courts. This is not because the facts, operated by the Russian media, is impeccable. It turns out, in the European Parliament are not fighting with the distortion of facts and their interpretation and presentation. But this may not be the subject of counteraction. Colleagues in the European Parliament demonstrate the worst methods of the world socialist system, when it is already on our side, the real facts tried by all possible means, to cut off the end consumer in the USSR and other socialist countries. Doing that now MEPs. This is low-quality policy, — said Konstantin Kosachev.

    The Senator noted that Russia is no longer Soviet Union and do not conduct information warfare, "provides in accordance with the European values the access of Russian consumers of information to any interpretation of the facts".

    — We have to stay with it. I consider excessive to restrict the activities of foreign mass media towards Russia artificially as long as this activity stays within the law. We must be models of adherence to the values of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, which our European colleagues like to say, but that is definitely not committed in practice. This proves the resolution aimed to fix in the minds of Western people distrust the Russian media. This is an information war from the European Parliament. Do not rule out that behind the text there are specific lobbyists, piercing the funding for the Western media, — said Konstantin Kosachev.

    Among the "instruments of propaganda" in the resolution refers to the Federal Agency "Rossotrudnichestvo" under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. According to the head of the Agency Lyubov Glebova, to equate Rossotrudnichestvo to the tools of propaganda is completely unacceptable.

    The centre establishes and develops relations between ordinary people, a kind of "human bridges". The Agency is not propaganda. The main tools that we use are the promotion of Russian culture and the Russian language, Russian education, support of compatriots, work with young people. Realizing all these areas, we strive to maintain a trusting relationship with all partners and people, in whatever country they may be, with all those who are interested in Russia. Perhaps that is why we are afraid of all those whose head is firmly entrenched aggressive image of Russia who are not ready to hear and listen to an alternative point of view about Russia — said Lyubov Glebova "news".

    In turn, the special representative of Russian President for international cultural cooperation Mikhail Shvydkoi believes that the actions of MEPs did not differ foresight and can at some point reach the point of absurdity.

    — This resolution means recognizing the effectiveness of the Russian institutions. But it is meaningless. The activities of all these media organizations is determined by international agreements and the legislation of certain countries. Usually, this kind of things exist on a reciprocal basis. Imagine that closed Russian centre of science and culture in any country of the EU. In response we will close the accounting centre of the country. Is it good for the citizens? Do we make similar statements? It is possible to make. But I work with many foreign institutions and would not recommend to our parliamentarians to make statements against them, because they bring many benefits to the Russians. Such a resolution — a stupid act. Then it is necessary to prohibit Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov — they are the main "advocates" of cultural values of Russia, — said Mikhail Shvydkoi in an interview with "Izvestia".


    Militarov wrote: Jones is losing it abit
    who´s is this young retard talking sh!t about things he´s got no idea about?

    While lecturing other countries about democracy, freedom of speech, etc... banning Russian press.

    Western "freedom of speech" exists as long as it serves their interests.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:41 am

    https://www.rt.com/news/369604-syria-humanitarian-aid-eu/

    Moscow has blasted as “outrageous twisting of the facts” a statement by EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, who said the EU was the only party providing aid to Syria.

    “It's outrageous twisting of facts which ignores what Russia has been doing for a long time,” Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry also officially responded to Mogherini’s statement “with surprise,” and said that Russia, “unlike other international players, is actively supplying thousands of tons of humanitarian aid to various regions in Syria, including the liberated areas in eastern Aleppo, at the risk of Russian military lives.”

    “If the high representative [Mogherini] means providing assistance to terrorists and extremists, then we don’t participate in this, indeed,” the statement added.

    The Russian official's statement comes after the High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Federica Mogherini said in Berlin on Wednesday, that the EU “are the ones – the ones, not among the ones – that are providing humanitarian aid, in Syria and around. I don't see many others doing as much as we are.”

    RT’s Peter Oliver asked Mogherini to expand on her comments at the OSCE summit in Hamburg, but received no answer.

    Mogherini's words aren't the first aimed against the Russian humanitarian effort in Syria: last week, British Prime Minister Theresa May's office said that “the Syrian regime and their influencers [be it Russia, or others] are preventing aid” from reaching Aleppo.

    In response, Russian Ministry of Defense spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov said that “the UK government has lost an objective view of what is happening in Syria, including Aleppo, due to Russophobia,” adding that the UK has not sent “a single gram of flour, any medicine or blankets to help” civilians in Aleppo during the whole Syrian conflict.

    “If the UK government really wants to send humanitarian aid to residents in the eastern neighborhoods [of Aleppo], it has all conditions for doing this, just tell us where it [the aid] has been held up."

    Also last week, the Russian Ministry of Defense said that the UN halted its aid deliveries to Aleppo, after over 40 percent of the territory previously controlled by militants was recaptured by Syrian government forces.

    Deputy Foreign Minister Ryabkov also slammed the UN aid effort in Syria.

    “While the UN humanitarian plan is something that exists on paper, experts on international relations and humanitarian specialists in Geneva inexplicably missed dozens of opportunities to join the humanitarian work to ease the plight of Aleppo, its outskirts, and other regions in Syria," he said, as cited by TASS.

    At the end of November, Konashenkov said that “only through the Russian Syrian Reconciliation Center was thousands of tons of humanitarian aid delivered to Aleppo, Hama, Homs, Damascus, Latakia, Palmyra, Deir ez-Zor, and other cities.”

    NATzO bullshitters spewing lies and claiming credit for all the good in the world. Truly, Satan's spawn.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Project Canada on Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:58 am



    RUSSIANS OUTSTRIP ALIENS & TERRORISTS AS MOST WIDESPREAD ENEMY IN VIDEO GAMES



    The Washington Post newspaper conducted a research of “the enemies that players encounter in digital games” and concluded that Russians are the most widespread enemy in modern video games.

    According to the newspaper, researchers decided to “turn to a popular genre, First Person Shooters (FPS), in which a player, armed with a weapon, seeks to destroy an enemy.” As the article noted, “representations of the bad guys in video games could shape players’ perceptions of who is a threat.”

    Reportedly, the researchers compiled a dataset of the 57 best-selling FPS during 2001-2013, each with more than 1.5 million units sold.

    “We coded information such as the identity of the protagonist (the shooter), the context and location of the conflict, and the identity of the enemy in each game. We grouped enemies into several categories: generic humans; aliens; monsters, including zombies; those depicted as terrorists from the Middle East or Latin America; Russians, as the state, ultra-nationalists, or separatists; and World War II enemies and others, including Iraq and North Korea,” the authors of the article, Brandon Valeriano and Philip Habel, wrote.

    “We find that Russians are enemies in 21 percent of games (12 games), one fewer instance than generic humans (13 games) and one more than aliens (11 games). Even if we consider Latin American (6 games) and Middle Eastern terrorists (5 games) as a single combined category, the number of games with Russian enemies is still greater,” they concluded.




    The researchers pointed out that this is an interesting finding that FPS gamers often encounter Russians as the enemy.

    “Long after the end of the Cold War, and despite real-world concerns over global terrorism and other security issues, Cold War-era enemies in video games could be shaping attitudes toward modern-day Russia,” the article reads. “The follow-up question is whether having seen Russians depicted as enemies in games means that Western gamers will be less likely to be tolerant of Russian aggression.”

    The researchers plan to continue their study of FPS games from the points of views of gender and ethnic diversity.

    https://southfront.org/russians-outstrip-aliens-terrorists-as-most-widespread-enemy-in-video-games/

    These NATO video games are just among the many propaganda tools they use to brainwash their own people into hating the Russians for no meaningful reason. Russian game software developers should make their own games where NATO is the enemy Cool



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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:40 am

    Well, f*** the EU. Very Happy Very Happy


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:52 pm

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/almost-halfway-there/ri18220

    The US establishment has a full bore hate for ethnic Russians.

    Once again some turdlets far away have a hate on for Russia. This must go back to the British hate that predates the USA
    but has been boosted by the cold war and recently. None of these turdlets have any reason to hate Russia due to Russia's
    actions and some historical grievance. These turdlets feel that they own the planet and that Russians are in the way of their
    ambitions. Russia needs to stop with nuclear arms reduction ASAP. Time to go back to serious MAD. These turdlets should
    wet their beds at night with fear instead of planning for the extermination of Russia.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:55 pm

    What do you guys think of Obama's comment about Russia?

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/16/obama-says-russians-cant-change-us-or-weaken-us.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104172328&yptr=yahoo

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:58 pm

    andalusia wrote:What do you guys think of Obama's comment about Russia?

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/16/obama-says-russians-cant-change-us-or-weaken-us.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104172328&yptr=yahoo


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:05 am

    andalusia wrote:What do you guys think of Obama's comment about Russia?

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/16/obama-says-russians-cant-change-us-or-weaken-us.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104172328&yptr=yahoo

    NATO, and especially US, hypocrisy is on a whole other plane. To posture and bleat about a fake action while routinely perpetrating
    such actions around the world in the name of self-interest (e.g. manifest destiny, exceptionalism, self-anointed global leadership) takes
    the cake. It really is a form of depravity.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:50 am

    If Obama knew anything about Russia or Russians the international situation between Russia and the US would be rather different now than it is.

    Obama said Hillary was the best potential candidate for US president so even the US population does not listen to him... why should we?


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:13 am

    Obama is Russophobic , All his statements indicate that.

    He did no good to make Russia-US relation better on the contrary it is at the worst since 25 years.

    By his own admission he Arm Twisted Even Europeans against developing better relations with Russia.

    He wants to poision the pond before he leaves so that the next president is hampered by so called CIA/DNI analysis etc

    Hillary Clinton win was suppose to be BO 3.0 but American people had different ideas and that is difficult for him personally to accept that he lost his own legacy and could not make Hillary Win.

    Now he wants to blame the loss on Russia to keep Democrats from taking the blame , Very Poor Leadership from BO and wont help his Nation or his Party if they dont own it up.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:52 pm

    Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:29 pm

    Austin wrote:Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails


    I hope the guy in this piece does not "suicide himself" as others who break the propaganda narrative do.

    Also, the public impression is being generated that Russia hacked the election and not just influenced it.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:57 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Austin wrote:Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails


    I hope the guy in this piece does not "suicide himself" as others who break the propaganda narrative do.

    Also, the public impression is being generated that Russia hacked the election and not just influenced it.

    Either that poor bastard ends up in a shallow grave or this reality check is gonna get swiftly cancelled, my moneys on both happening.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:44 am

    If the Russians hacked the DNC then they should be able to show a clear trail of the data packets from the DNC servers to Russia and then presumably to Wikileaks servers... if they are not revealing this evidence then there can only be one reason why... it didn't happen.

    I would say we have a Snowden mk2 who realised the whole propaganda machine was working for Clinton against anyone else and decided to release or leak the data to try to level the playing field.

    Obama could not suggest that as that would be revealing that the whistleblower was a patriot, Clinton is a criminal, and that the US public made the right choice on election day...

    It must be Putins fault...


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:20 am

    The issue seems to be that with HRC loss Obama Legacy on key issues like Obama Care or TPP agreement wont be carried forward and that has hurt Obama more than any thing else.

    HRC was suppose to be Obama 3.0 but American Voters had other ideas.

    Obama was too self rightous to believe that he could ever be wrong and HRC was too confident with 100 % of US Media backing her and Money power of wall street to believe she could ever loose.

    Now he needs to find out Scapegoat and the most easiest for Obama is to blame the Russians and HRC to blame FBI & Russians.

    In the end its easy to explain in short and long run that they lost due to Russian Hacking and FBI surprise then to accept that their policy for 8 years has got more problem for common American then solved it so they lost , that would be a personal failure for them.



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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:48 am

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo published earlier on Wednesday a caricature on the Russian Defense Ministry Tu-154 aircraft crash in the Black Sea depicting the falling aircraft and a musician from the Alexandrov military choir, who is making a wailing sound "aaaaaa." The caption says "The repertoire of the army choir is expanding."

    The SOBs of Charlie Hebdo, again.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612281049087134-hebdo-russia-caricature/

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Godric on Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:05 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo published earlier on Wednesday a caricature on the Russian Defense Ministry Tu-154 aircraft crash in the Black Sea depicting the falling aircraft and a musician from the Alexandrov military choir, who is making a wailing sound "aaaaaa." The caption says "The repertoire of the army choir is expanding."

    The SOBs of Charlie Hebdo, again.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201612281049087134-hebdo-russia-caricature/

    Charlie Hebdo = Scummy french w@nkers

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:40 pm

    Few of many cheering, comments on local newspapers by Muslims (mainly from Bosnia, some from Western Serbia) regarding Russian aircraft crash:



    "I am never happy about someones else pain and suffering but in the times when so many children are dying, they wished to sing. Well they sang their last song."



    "I dont care about criminals that bombed civilians, women and children in Syria, especially Aleppo. Karma is irresistable, it was just an instant justice".



    "On morbid assigment they were, in foreign country to killers they sang, and in Black sea they landed".



    "What a tragedy, fuck them. Allah punished them, big thanks, and this is just the beginning".


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:54 am

    So if they died because it was Allahs will then the women and children and presumably innocent cats and dogs being murdered every second in Syria must be Allahs will too.

    All credit to the great humanitarian Assad... building so many schools and childrens hospitals... it is almost like he knew terrorist scum were going to try to take over his country...

    This Allah seems to be a sadistic war loving prick.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:24 pm

    Hey Garry B and others. There was a politician on CNN who was saying that the Baltic countries of Latvia, Lithanian and Estonia are afraid that Russia will invade them. They are members of NATO. They say that what happened in Ukraine could happen to them. I want to know is all of this true? Could somebody explain to me the relationship between Russia and the Baltic states?

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:51 am

    andalusia wrote:Hey Garry B and others. There was a politician on CNN who was saying that the Baltic countries of Latvia, Lithanian and Estonia are afraid that Russia will invade them. They are members of NATO.  They say that what happened in Ukraine could happen to them.   I want to know is all of this true? Could somebody explain to me the relationship between Russia and the Baltic states?

    Why do you or this politician think that Russia would want to invade Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia?

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:32 am

    Hey Garry B and others. There was a politician on CNN who was saying that the Baltic countries of Latvia, Lithanian and Estonia are afraid that Russia will invade them. They are members of NATO. They say that what happened in Ukraine could happen to them. I want to know is all of this true? Could somebody explain to me the relationship between Russia and the Baltic states?

    Hahahahaahahaha... Bloody Hilarious...

    They say what happened in the Ukraine could happen to them?

    I don't think the US wants to payroll another three coups to overthrow legitimate elected governments in that region as the current ones are already their bitches... it would be a waste of money... not that that would normally stop them.

    The Baltic states are rabid anti russians... just like the Poles and the majority of the Ukrainians... including those being bombed by the government in Kiev at the moment.

    They are the whiny states that complain yet have a better lifestyle than the rest of the country when they were part of the Soviet Union, and now that they are out all of their problems are Russias fault. Russia is better rid of them and does not want them back. They can be the EUs problem.

    But their anti Russia attitude was useful when Abummer was in power, but now Hilary got some water thrown on her and she melted away they are scared that Trump might not want to treat Russia as an enemy and all of a sudden they are stuck in the middle of the bed they have made.

    They used to have a lot of trade with their neighbour Russia but with all the anti Russia crap they have proudly cut those ties to show their loyalty to the EU and US.

    Their choice now is to either drum up EU support for more NATO forces in their country that they can sponge off of, or try to return to old relations with Russia... and I hope in the case of the latter that Russia tells them to go fuck themselves.

    Now instead of moving freight through foreign (ie baltic) ports the Russians are using their own ports and keeping the money they used to spend in foreign countries...


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    Kimppis
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Kimppis on Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:00 pm

    1. Maidanists are rewriting history. Ukraine used to be an integral part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. Baltic states were independent between the world wars, Ukraine was not.

    2. Large parts of Ukraine were reasonably pro-Russian only a few years ago. The big issue is that Ukraine has been a mess since 1991, that's why the coup, revolution and anti-Russian hysteria were possible in the first place. First and foremost this whole thing is an internal conflict.

    3. Baltic countries are stable and they have reasonably high living standards, especially Estonia, Ukraine is the opposite. They have no large pro-Russian regions, unlike Ukraine. (Crimea, in particular, and Donbass are pro-Russian, yes, really.)

    And regarding the BS propaganda which is saying that Ukraine's failure as a state is Russia's fault: Ukraine was not a puppet state: the country was not even militarily allied with Russia, unlike many other post-Soviet states that have been much more succesful. FFS, compare Belarussian (aka "the last dictatorship in Europe") living standards to Ukraine.

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