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    GarryB

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:05 am

    Except I think a right to defend yourself goes beyond just stopping the tyranny of government.

    The police are not always there in time to save you.

    I mean if someone robs your house and you admit you left your doors unlocked your insurance might not pay out for the theft... so where do you draw the line in actively taking steps to keep yourself and your property safe from those who don't obey the law?

    A home invasion could involve a group of men breaking into your house and killing your entire family and also stealing your property... the question of whether the police get there in time to do anything would not be something I would be interested in.

    I would have good locks on the doors and windows, a plan with all the family members as to what to do, and some sort of alarm system.... and I would also have a gun and practise using it.

    I am not saying I am going to chase those criminals and catch them like some TV character that solves murder mysteries, but I am going to make them think the next house on the street is an easier target... or better the next neigbour hood down the road.

    I have heard there are places in the US where the police wont go at night... WTF do those people do when they find themselves in trouble?

    Equally it seems if you are black in the US it seems to be likely you are the one going to get shot by a policeman whether you have a gun or not, so how can you claim they should let the police deal with it when they are clearly not doing their job.

    BTW all my firearms are locked away and I have no guns for self defence... I did use to play hockey so anyone who breaks into my house had better be a faster runner than me or know how to duck really fast... and to be honest if I do swing it wont be to give them a sore arm or leg... I will be swinging for the head and as hard as I can manage which means very likely a serious brain injury or even death... but that is not my problem... it is the perpetrators problem.

    I don't break into other peoples houses and steal stuff, so I have no problem with people taking action to defend themselves and their property.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:16 pm


    @GarryB

    It can be done . There are already communities in USA , that are called gated communities . Granted they comprise of well off middle class Americans . Nevertheless they employ private security that carry guns . In such environment there is no need for households to have guns at home . This may point the way for the future . Other neighbourhood can employ security guards . Move shops outside . Government can help in this . Inside residential area then , no guns . Or if so , kept on shooting range . To be taken out only in conditions that I mentioned . That will be very rare . Nowadays .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:25 pm

    Hahahaha.... and the first time their kids go to some ones house outside that gated community they shoot their friend because they find their friends dads gun under his bed fully loaded and they play with it like a toy because they have never been allowed to touch a gun before... the thing they see on TV and movies every day of their lives and are not allowed to touch.

    The real problem is not solved by fencing people in.... many people would hate being in a fenced in community... only fear creates such things...once you are in there the people on the board that run that place can tell you what colour you can paint your house and how often you have to mow your lawn... fuck that.


    It is way too high a price for alledged safety... they will hire people on the cheap and who can they get for the job?

    Old retired cops or young inexperienced people who failed the exams to be a cop.

    Rentacops are not respected in the US amongst the law enforcement community, nor by Hollywood.

    besides how many rent a cops do you think they can afford per head of population in each community?

    And that is great for the 1% and the middle class but what about the majority of americans?

    Another problem is lack of accurate numbers.... people throw around figures for people killed by fire arms in the US but often they are distorted.

    A gang member shoots another gang member and that is recorded as a friend shooting a friend and becomes an "accidental" shooting.

    I would not trust the numbers coming from the anti gun establishment as far as I could kick them.

    People need to be properly educated on fire arms and respect them and act responsibly.

    There should be penalties so harsh for the misuse of fire arms that criminals decide it is just not worth using them.

    Using a fire arm in the commission of a crime should result in the criminal treated like they want to murder someone, of course this will result in people defending themselves being arrested for murder because the justice system is fucked up.

    Get a good lawyer and you can do anything you want and get away with it.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:55 am

    In case you haven't noticed your precious "proletariat" wants to be ruled by "bourgeoisie" scum as practice has proven extensively, your nation being one of many prominent examples
    Bullshit. The Bulgarian working class now has to clean toilets in the west, exploited for pennies, because our neoliberal puppet government privatized our industry to the International bourgeoisie which layed them off. Ask most non bourgeois, noveau riche mafia, or western propagandist Bulgarians and they deeply resent how the free market(one of the freest in the world in our country) exploits them. Almost all of them have warm feelings towards the Bulgarian People's Republic(except when it sold of the macedonian Bulgarians to Tito) and realize that the west lied to them.

    Even right after the 1989 bourgeois revolution the Bulgarian socialist party won and it had to be stopped by a US funded bourgeois astroturfing "protest".
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:21 am

    It seems accusing Russia of election interference is a big hit these days


    Russia meddling in Mexican election: White House aide McMaster

    MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - The Russian government has launched a sophisticated campaign to influence Mexico’s 2018 presidential election and stir up division, a senior White House official said in a video clip published by Mexican newspaper Reforma.

    U.S. National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster said in a speech last month to the Washington-based Jamestown Foundation that there was already evidence of Russian meddling in Mexican elections set for July.

    “We’ve seen that this is really a sophisticated effort to polarize democratic societies and pit communities within those societies against each other,” said McMaster in a previously unreported video clip from Dec. 15 that was posted on Twitter by a reporter with Mexican daily newspaper Reforma on Saturday.

    “You’ve seen, actually, initial signs of it in the Mexican presidential campaign already,” said McMaster, a former Army general. He did not elaborate in the clip on how Russia was seeking to influence the election.

    Reforma published a story on Saturday on the comments, which have since been shared many times on social media.

    President Donald Trump’s senior national security aide added in the clip that the U.S. government was concerned by Russia’s use of advanced cyber tools to push propaganda and disinformation.

    A request for comment sent to McMaster’s office at the White House and a request for comment from the Russian government in Moscow were not immediately returned on Sunday.

    The Kremlin has repeatedly denied accusations by U.S. intelligence officials and others of interfering in foreign elections.

    In July, Mexico will elect a new president to succeed Enrique Pena Nieto, who is barred by law from seeking a second six-year term. Congressional seats plus some governors’ races will also be up for grabs.

    According to opinion polls, the frontrunner in the presidential contest is the leftist former mayor of Mexico City, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who is running on an anti-corruption platform.

    Lopez Obrador, a two-time runner-up for the presidency and a divisive figure in Mexican politics for over a decade, is seen by some analysts as the Kremlin’s favorite, given the positive coverage he has received from government-funded media outlets like Sputnik and Russia Today.

    Both China and Russia are taking an increasing interest in Latin America as the United States, under Trump, has adopted a more protectionist stance and the future of the North America Free Trade Agreement looks uncertain.

    Lopez Obrador has been a fierce critic of Pena Nieto’s sweeping energy overhaul, which was favored by U.S. officials and oil companies. He has said he would seek friendly relations with the U.S. government but would demand respect.

    In 2016, Russia Today’s Spanish-language YouTube channel began running a weekly video blog entitled “The Battle for Mexico,” hosted by a prominent supporter of Lopez Obrador, according to David Salvo at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, who has written about Russian attempts to influence politics in Latin America.

    Pena Nieto’s office and the foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment on McMaster’s statement.

    Some Mexican political commentators said that there was little reason yet to fear Russian involvement in the election.

    “The point is that Washington hasn’t provided any solid proof for this,” said Marco Cancino, head of Mexico City-based consultancy Inteligencia Publica.

    “So far, it’s just speculation.”

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:55 am

    Lol the U.S has been extremely successful at controlling its puppet down South for decades. Obrador has been steemied time and again. This is just another ploy to help the Mexican establishment, and mask the actual significant interference.

    Of course the Cubans and Russians prefer anyone but the submissive puppets, even if Obrador is not a Chavez type figure, it's better than crap like Nieto but time and again, their efforts are simply no match for the corruption in the country and influence meddling of the U.S and its puppets - as far as Mexico is concerned - to me, a lost country.

    Better to pool resources on flipping Argentina and Brazil back than the shithole that is Mexico. That country will only be ripe for a good cleansing when the U.S empire collapses. Not until then.

    I will say however, Obrador will sweetly clash with Trump, if on rhetoric alone.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Kimppis on Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:27 pm

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/417118-biden-russia-enormous-decline/

    Really sums up the level of Russia discourse and expertise in the US and in the West as a whole. Like holy hell. Nothing but a list of Russophobic myths that were outdated 10 years ago.

    And what thell does the "their life expectancy is changing" even mean? That it's rapidly increasing, so much so that the difference with the US is "only" 5-6 years in 2017 (and much smaller, maybe even non-existent by 2030)? Even the UN population projection is like the worst case scenario, it's actually reasonably likely that the population will keep modestly growing until 2050, as it has since 2009.

    Biden's "20 percent decline by 2050", what the fuck man, what the fuck? These idiots are trying to analyze Russian future prospects, while not even knowing that Russia's population has been growing since 2009. And we're living in 2018, or are we!?!? How many so-called "Russia experts" actually know about the population growth, that at this point has been going for a fucking decade? I don't even want to know. They're only capable of repeating those population projections from 20 years ago.

    Western media's Russia coverage keeps delivering. "Fair and balanced." Keep up the good work guys. Biden's comments just perfectly sums up what is wrong with it all... Nothing what is said about Russia, no matter how negative, is ever wrong, in the West you can say whatever the fuck you want, that's how you become a "Russia expert". Crazy stuff...

    Not to mention that oil is less than 10% of Russia's GDP, less than 20% of the consolidated budget and that the remaining oil dependency is rapidly declining overall, but whatever...
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:16 am

    Can any of you guys post content of this article? It's behind paywall and I'm sure it's usual BS but I'm still curious.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-bear-is-on-the-move-9fhkpjg28
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Can any of you guys post content of this article? It's behind paywall and I'm sure it's usual BS but I'm still curious.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-bear-is-on-the-move-9fhkpjg28

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Godric on Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:34 am

    the BBC is essentially the UK propaganda mouthpiece no impartiality whatsoever

    for the past 10 years the BBC has been trying to whitewash Scottish history (i reckon Westminster/Whitehall has played a part in this)

    English history has now become British history a cynical ploy

    here is the latest example



    the complaint from down south is the skin color of some of the people portrayed

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