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    nomadski

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:39 am

    So why human society is degrading despite the numerous prophets and revolutionaries and philosophers that god or nature has provided over the past thousands of years ? Never ending wars and pollution and social breakdown ?

    I have said before that humans do not live by natural laws . They set their own laws . These are approximations to the natural laws . But in order to discover and collectively realise and implement such laws , people need to understand the problem . Like a scientist understands a problem . By inclusion or exclusion of variables . Historical forces do not yield their effects over short term either . It is not like a quick school chemistry set . Red liquid plus green gives off smoke ! Many generations are needed to see these forces at play . And connect the cause and effect and see the puzzle .

    Like in the bible , town A has no criminals and town B has criminals . After a few generations , town B was destroyed by god !
    But what if social situation was unstable . War or famine or disease would disperse the population and diminish it's oral and written history . Stories are no longer told . Parents die young . Children are separated from parents . Libraries are burnt . In this cases , human society can not collectively remember past lessons or apply future solutions . It can not learn . Human culture becomes degraded .

    Some creatures like spiders have genetic biological memory . A baby spider can make a web without learning from parent spider . But higher animals like apes and men . If taken from parent early , then loose ability to speak or hunt . So environmental conditions if changing fast that lead to disruption , then also degrade humanity . Degrade our empathy . Ability to bond and show concern for others . Adapt to environmental conditions . Make good laws .

    Humans change their environments . According to their needs or wants .They make their own social laws that are at best approximations to natural law and at worst are contradictory to them . Humans undergo degredation because of the very environmental changes they make . They become less empathic . Less human . A vicious circle . Never to return to paradise .


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  eehnie on Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:As for commie revolution they had quite a few and they all failed miserably as expected

    KiloGolf wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    kvs wrote:How come communism failed in China, Vietnam

    ??? failed ???

    Yes and it resulted in Russia loosing historically Russian territories, cities and towns in the Ukraine, entire Belarus, the Baltics and the -stans. That's what communism ultimately achieved for Russia, a shrinking land mass(and national identity) in key European and central Asian regions. Also, military retreat on all fronts, Eastern Europe, old Russia proper, central Asia, Mongolia and the Middle East.

    <slow 80s movie clap>

    Failed are your bids to find the reality.


    So most powerful man in the world leds a country that is capitalist in all but name?

    Got it!  thumbsup

    This is what the Western Propaganda made you think. But no. You have still a long way to find the reality.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:54 am

    nomadski wrote:So why human society is  degrading despite  the numerous prophets  and revolutionaries  and  philosophers that god or nature has  provided over the past thousands of years  ?  Never ending  wars  and  pollution and  social breakdown ?.....

    Interesting thoughts...I generally agree.

    There are some that argue that tribal organisation was/is the best social structure for humans. We seem to be genetically wired for it.

    First of all, there are way too many humans on earth. These numbers are simply unsustainable and I suspect nature itself will take care of that
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:36 am

    The Soviets continued to purchase products on the capitalist market...

    They paid for licence production of the Gatling gun, the Maxim machine gun, a range of tractors and truck designs from the west, the Dakota transport aircraft,

    the huge irony in what you are saying is that China did not become powerful because of capitalism.... it has become powerful because of US consumerism.... the US model of consumption demands cheap products their economy cannot possibly provide, so they need an external cheap labour source to produce the crap they fill their lives with.... the ideal companion to a capitalist republic like the US is a slave labour economy like China where the workers work for minimum wages with no rights. The big companies make all the money of course...
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:44 pm


    The big anniversary is mere day away and yet nobody in good old Russia seems to give two shits about it which seems to be driving everyone insane in homelands of Das Kapital (TM) Cool

    Revolution, what revolution? Russians show little interest in 1917 centenary

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/06/revolution-what-revolution-russians-show-little-interest-in-1917-centenary


    Alongside mandatory ''Evil Putin does not like our revolution'' shtick we have cold hard facts like these:

    ...“We realised we had to mark the revolution centenary because it’s one of the most important events of the 20th century, but we also see that there is little interest among the audience,” said Konstantin Ernst, the powerful head of Russia’s Channel One, and a producer of the Trotsky series. “Over the last year we’ve released various trial products, and there was no real reaction from the audience.” ....


    And comment sections on articles like these are the best.

    You have on one side bunch of assholes that are butthurt that their countries did not help Nazis exterminate Russians (and other assorted subhumans) and on the other side you have bunch of commie dickheads who want to exterminate Russians because they feel that Russians have ruined their promised Red Utopia.

    Watching these two packs of retards devouring each other in comment sections is almost as fun as season 2 of Stranger Things. lol1
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:27 am

    The opinion of the Russian masses has always been something to ignore by the west and its cultural proxies in Russia.
    The Germans, Brits and Americans helped foist the Bolsheviks into power since they wanted to break up the Russian
    Empire (for obvious reasons of gain). The Russian people paid in the blood of millions for this western meddling.
    One could argue that WWII (which was 80% on the eastern front) would not have happened if there was no ideological
    pretext and the weakening of Russia through mass repressions never took place. Hitler was convinced that the Bolsheviks
    and Stalin had made Russia/USSR weak and he was partly right. He just made the terminal mistake that Russians would kiss
    Teuton invader ass. Especially one preaching genocide of Russians.

    For context it should be noted that a lot of the industrial and military capacity of the USSR was developed during WWII and
    not before. The credit goes to the Russian people who sacrificed everything for the war effort. Russians have no reason
    to commemorate the 1917 Bolshevik coup (that is exactly what it was).
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:13 pm


    And to celebrate anniversary here is some light reading for all the fans out there, enjoy! thumbsup

    The Real Lenin: Traitor, Parasite, Failure

    http://russia-insider.com/en/real-lenin-traitor-parasite-failure/ri21542

    One tiny bit relevant for today:

    ...All this was sustained in large part thanks to German money. In 1917, a grand total of around 50 million gold marks were transferred to Lenin’s party in Petrograd (this translates to an amzing $1 billion in today’s currency). This helped fund the Bolshevik printing presses, and there are numerous accounts of money being handed out for protests against the Provisional Government throughout 1917 (all standard features of modern color revolutions)....

    But so much more as well in the article, have at it...
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  eehnie on Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:12 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    And to celebrate anniversary here is some light reading for all the fans out there, enjoy! thumbsup

    The Real Lenin: Traitor, Parasite, Failure

    http://russia-insider.com/en/real-lenin-traitor-parasite-failure/ri21542

    One tiny bit relevant for today:

    ...All this was sustained in large part thanks to German money. In 1917, a grand total of around 50 million gold marks were transferred to Lenin’s party in Petrograd (this translates to an amzing $1 billion in today’s currency). This helped fund the Bolshevik printing presses, and there are numerous accounts of money being handed out for protests against the Provisional Government throughout 1917 (all standard features of modern color revolutions)....

    But so much more as well in the article, have at it...

    Russia insider lol, insider of the Pentagon.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:27 pm

    eehnie wrote:.............
    Russia insider lol, insider of the Pentagon.

    Whoaa, wait, did you just accuse Russia Insider of working for Pentagon just now????  Suspect lol1

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:00 am

    The funny thing is that nothing has changed... today it will be blamed on Russian hackers... back then many in the west claimed the communists were jews.... the blame game is eternal... and so often wrong.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  calm on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:51 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    And to celebrate anniversary here is some light reading for all the fans out there, enjoy! thumbsup

    The Real Lenin: Traitor, Parasite, Failure

    http://russia-insider.com/en/real-lenin-traitor-parasite-failure/ri21542

    One tiny bit relevant for today:

    ...All this was sustained in large part thanks to German money. In 1917, a grand total of around 50 million gold marks were transferred to Lenin’s party in Petrograd (this translates to an amzing $1 billion in today’s currency). This helped fund the Bolshevik printing presses, and there are numerous accounts of money being handed out for protests against the Provisional Government throughout 1917 (all standard features of modern color revolutions)....

    But so much more as well in the article, have at it...

    Surprisingly, not much people are familiar with this.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  eehnie on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:22 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:.............
    Russia insider lol, insider of the Pentagon.

    Whoaa, wait, did you just accuse Russia Insider of working for Pentagon just now????  Suspect lol1


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Insider

    Russia Insider is a news website launched in September 2014, based in Moscow, Russia. Russia Insider reports on political and social affairs and aims to provide an alternative view [2] to the mainstream news about Russia and country-related issues. The website was founded and is driven by its editor Charles Bausman and a number of international volunteer contributors[3] positioning the publication as an independent media source aiming to promote a better understanding of Russia. Its mission is media criticism and reform, underlining the issues of Western media which are seen by the founders as extremely biased, especially on Russia.[4] Many articles are copied, excerpted or translated from other websites, e.g. Russia Beyond, Voltairenet.org, Strategic Culture Foundation, The Guardian, Huffington Post, Consortiumnews, etc., however there are also some original ones.

    Created by Simon North, Matthew Allen, Paul Kaiser, Enrico Braun, Richard Brandt, John Helmer, Gilbert Doctorow, Eric Zuesse, Xenia Zinoviev, Dmitry Orlov, et al.
    Editor Charles Bausman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Helmer_(journalist)

    John Helmer (born 1946) is an Australian-born journalist and foreign correspondent , based in Moscow, Russia since 1989. He has served as an adviser to government heads in Greece (Andreas Papandreou), the United States (Jimmy Carter), and Asia, and has also worked as professor of political science, sociology, and journalism.[1]

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:33 pm

    I feel like i had to post this.
    Are any of you guys seeing this sh!t happening where you live?

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:45 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:I feel like i had to post this.
    Are any of you guys seeing this sh!t happening where you live?


    Yeah it's been about 3-4 years that this stuff is becoming a socio-political trend. Honestly I don't know where this ends exactly.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:33 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:I feel like i had to post this.
    Are any of you guys seeing this sh!t happening where you live?

    Yes, though Latin America is delayed compared to Europe or North America, Argentina is the "most advanced" in the region in this aspect, they are beginning to teach very young kids in some schools and kindergarten.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:29 am

    I want to know do people in other countries consider universal healthcare to be Communist? Here in America, universal health care is portrayed as taking away the liberty of Americans.  The right-wing here portray it as people in Canada and Europe waiting in long lines and traveling to the US to get health care because it is rationed.  I want to know how do people in Russia and other countries in Europe and elsewhere feel about the health care in their respective countries? Also do you guys think Americans are extreme and narrow minded in their opinion that Universal Health care shouldn't be a right?

    Just want to understand the propanganda about health care from an international perspective.  

    http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/28-28/12007-why-are-so-many-americans-against-universal-health-care

    https://qz.com/1022831/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-universal-health-care/

    https://fee.org/resources/socialized-health-care-the-communist-dream-and-the-soviet-reality/

    http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2094674/why-america-so-opposed-universal-health-care
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:39 pm

    Here in New Zealand we have a healthcare system that should be universal, but there are long waiting lists for most important things.

    Personally I think the whole point of paying taxes is to pay for things everybody needs... roads, railway lines, airports, ports, healthcare for everyone, and education at least up until tertiary level.

    It seems to me that Americans leave the control of their health to insurance companies... in my limited experience with insurance companies I think that is a bad thing right off the bat.

    Isn't it funny how Americans seem to fear big government... something that can be replaced by vote if needed, though I appreciate when there are only two options it is not really much of a choice. Other westerners seem to fear big business... which I think is rather justified.

    Here in Dunedin an American company that owns controlling interest in Cadburys has basically decided to close our factory and move all production to Australia.

    Our factory was making a profit and can operate cheaper because it does not need to be totally air conditioned like those in Australia do, but there was a chance of making a larger profit with fewer overheads by closing our factory down so they will.

    Dunedin is not a huge country with a large population that buys a lot of Cadburys products so they clearly think it wont hurt their bottom line.

    Clearly they are thinking about their income to maximise it as much as possible and to be honest I can now pick up a nice New Zealand brand of Chocolate like Whittakers and feel I am getting back at Cadburys and helping a company that continues to make chocolate in New Zealand.

    I doubt Cadburys is shaking in their shoes however.

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    Post  andalusia on Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:33 am

    GarryB wrote:Here in New Zealand we have a healthcare system that should be universal, but there are long waiting lists for most important things.

    Personally I think the whole point of paying taxes is to pay for things everybody needs... roads, railway lines, airports, ports, healthcare for everyone, and education at least up until tertiary level.

    It seems to me that Americans leave the control of their health to insurance companies... in my limited experience with insurance companies I think that is a bad thing right off the bat.

    Isn't it funny how Americans seem to fear big government... something that can be replaced by vote if needed, though I appreciate when there are only two options it is not really much of a choice. Other westerners seem to fear big business... which I think is rather justified.

    Here in Dunedin an American company that owns controlling interest in Cadburys has basically decided to close our factory and move all production to Australia.

    Our factory was making a profit and can operate cheaper because it does not need to be totally air conditioned like those in Australia do, but there was a chance of making a larger profit with fewer overheads by closing our factory down so they will.

    Dunedin is not a huge country with a large population that buys a lot of Cadburys products so they clearly think it wont hurt their bottom line.

    Clearly they are thinking about their income to maximise it as much as possible and to be honest I can now pick up a nice New Zealand brand of Chocolate like Whittakers and feel I am getting back at Cadburys and helping a company that continues to make chocolate in New Zealand.

    I doubt Cadburys is shaking in their shoes however.

    Hey Garry B , do you think America is a very right wing country?

    Moreover, are there mass school shootings in your country like here in America? Conservatives say teachers should be armed and that gun free zones attract shooters. However, my opinion is that instead of entering the school; the shooters who want to maximize body count would simply wait until school lets out at 3 pm in the evening when hundreds of kids are walking out. Armed with a semi-automatic could kill hundreds but it has never happened. Also mass shootings at school are very rare.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:11 am

    People who want to kill are going to find a way... banning guns will just annoy legitimate gun users who have done nothing wrong.

    ISIS has shown a busy street and a truck can kill more people than a lone gunman... I dare say there are plenty of other ways they could kill in a mass scale too like poison or simply starting fires in places where there is a high fire risk.

    From derailing trains and making aircraft crash or ships sink there are plenty of things people can do if they want to go for the record.

    That dickhead who shot people at that concert was clearly going for the record and a really good start for the US is to stop putting these ass holes on the news.

    Don't mention their names... report the crime and talk to the victims but don't mention the criminal... that was clearly what they wanted... their five minutes of fame... don't let them have it.

    Guns are not evil, bullets are not evil, people can be.

    Most killers are cowards... they want a body count and they don't care who.

    They never plan an attack at a shooting range or a police station for a reason.

    There are sometimes shootings on army bases but that is not so much planned as where it happened.

    Guns in schools would be a bad idea with bullying... though after a few bullies get shot because they picked the wrong target might sort out that issue too...

    The problem with guns is that they create fear but some people mistake fear for respect and think they get respect when they show a gun.

    Of course that sort of respect can get you killed.

    If I lived in the US I would take legal steps to be able to carry a gun to make me feel safe. Whether it actually made me safe or not is another question... carrying a gun wont stop you getting run over by a bus or shot by someone else with a gun.

    In the US there are a lot of guns and if you make guns illegal then the only people with guns are the police and the criminals.

    The other problem is that a hand gun is the least effective gun type... low accuracy, poor range, low stopping power.

    A rifle or a carbine are much better weapons.

    Here in New Zealand hand guns are rare and heavily regulated, which I think is a good thing... but if such guns were more easily available then I would think they should be more available to all.

    Banning guns is like banning drugs... it only means those prepared to break the law will have access to them, it does not make them go away, just makes them more expensive.

    If guns were illegal here instead of rifles and shotguns I would have pistols and SMGs because that is what I can't have at the moment and so if I am going to get illegal guns they might as well be fun like the silenced makarov pistol and the APSB and of course fun stuff like the Vityaz and SR-2 and Kedr/Klin and Kashtan.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:55 pm

    And now this British politician porn accusations . Why is it important ? Because it shows the efficiency of the state propaganda disinformation public opinion manipulation . Coming straight after Donald Trump tweet ! The public needs to normalise this racist terrorist tweet by US president ( diverting public opinion ) It is a favorite of the BBC . It is called a sheet sandwich . Character assassination is easy on the Web . You can hack the browsing history of a mobile to include visits to porn sites . Even I was subject to it , and had to complain to my MP about the activities of their special boys . The lesson for me is that they will try this with our politicians . So they must use secure modes of communication .

    God , they catch on quick ! To divert public opinion further , all of a sudden somebody must look worse than Trump . He must fall on his sword in public . Wow ! Flynn must be roasted in public for TV consumption for a few weeks . Any more skeletons in the closet ? Good time to come out now .


    @ Gary B

    I believe the original law in America allowed gun ownership to defend against state tyranny. When the state was young and had many opponents . If the American people were not busy killing each other , with guns . Then they have a chance to unite and sort out the political mess in the country . So the public can keep weapons in armoury . Voluntarily . This protect their rights . And so keeps weapons out of the streets . Areas that do this , will see a fall in gun homicides .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:59 pm

    If I was a violent criminal I am hardly going to pick the fit young men to attack.. I want a weak victim I can dominate.

    Like it or not, even a little old lady with a pistol she can handle... even if it is a .22lr calibre weapon.. can seriously hurt or even kill the biggest strongest man with a projectile through the heart or brain.

    Whether it is a wasps sting that can be used aggressively and repeatedly, or if it is a oncer like a bee sting that will ultimately end up killing its user, it just makes crime a less desirable way of making a living.

    If you know everyone is carrying you are less likely to piss people off...

    Obviously there are people who abuse the power.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:52 am

    Yes problem is with people who misinterpret the original law . In order to stop state tyranny , people do not need to keep weapon at home . They can obtain permission from local neighbourhood group ( local milita ) to take weapon out . For the sole purpose of defending against state troops who opened fire on demonstrators or political groups . This is the right interpretation of the law . Others who are found to possess firearms in public , without permission from armoury or local milita , face a heavy fine or worse . For fighting armed criminals then only police to respond . This is civil matter . Me thinks !
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:05 am

    Except I think a right to defend yourself goes beyond just stopping the tyranny of government.

    The police are not always there in time to save you.

    I mean if someone robs your house and you admit you left your doors unlocked your insurance might not pay out for the theft... so where do you draw the line in actively taking steps to keep yourself and your property safe from those who don't obey the law?

    A home invasion could involve a group of men breaking into your house and killing your entire family and also stealing your property... the question of whether the police get there in time to do anything would not be something I would be interested in.

    I would have good locks on the doors and windows, a plan with all the family members as to what to do, and some sort of alarm system.... and I would also have a gun and practise using it.

    I am not saying I am going to chase those criminals and catch them like some TV character that solves murder mysteries, but I am going to make them think the next house on the street is an easier target... or better the next neigbour hood down the road.

    I have heard there are places in the US where the police wont go at night... WTF do those people do when they find themselves in trouble?

    Equally it seems if you are black in the US it seems to be likely you are the one going to get shot by a policeman whether you have a gun or not, so how can you claim they should let the police deal with it when they are clearly not doing their job.

    BTW all my firearms are locked away and I have no guns for self defence... I did use to play hockey so anyone who breaks into my house had better be a faster runner than me or know how to duck really fast... and to be honest if I do swing it wont be to give them a sore arm or leg... I will be swinging for the head and as hard as I can manage which means very likely a serious brain injury or even death... but that is not my problem... it is the perpetrators problem.

    I don't break into other peoples houses and steal stuff, so I have no problem with people taking action to defend themselves and their property.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:16 pm


    @GarryB

    It can be done . There are already communities in USA , that are called gated communities . Granted they comprise of well off middle class Americans . Nevertheless they employ private security that carry guns . In such environment there is no need for households to have guns at home . This may point the way for the future . Other neighbourhood can employ security guards . Move shops outside . Government can help in this . Inside residential area then , no guns . Or if so , kept on shooting range . To be taken out only in conditions that I mentioned . That will be very rare . Nowadays .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:25 pm

    Hahahaha.... and the first time their kids go to some ones house outside that gated community they shoot their friend because they find their friends dads gun under his bed fully loaded and they play with it like a toy because they have never been allowed to touch a gun before... the thing they see on TV and movies every day of their lives and are not allowed to touch.

    The real problem is not solved by fencing people in.... many people would hate being in a fenced in community... only fear creates such things...once you are in there the people on the board that run that place can tell you what colour you can paint your house and how often you have to mow your lawn... fuck that.


    It is way too high a price for alledged safety... they will hire people on the cheap and who can they get for the job?

    Old retired cops or young inexperienced people who failed the exams to be a cop.

    Rentacops are not respected in the US amongst the law enforcement community, nor by Hollywood.

    besides how many rent a cops do you think they can afford per head of population in each community?

    And that is great for the 1% and the middle class but what about the majority of americans?

    Another problem is lack of accurate numbers.... people throw around figures for people killed by fire arms in the US but often they are distorted.

    A gang member shoots another gang member and that is recorded as a friend shooting a friend and becomes an "accidental" shooting.

    I would not trust the numbers coming from the anti gun establishment as far as I could kick them.

    People need to be properly educated on fire arms and respect them and act responsibly.

    There should be penalties so harsh for the misuse of fire arms that criminals decide it is just not worth using them.

    Using a fire arm in the commission of a crime should result in the criminal treated like they want to murder someone, of course this will result in people defending themselves being arrested for murder because the justice system is fucked up.

    Get a good lawyer and you can do anything you want and get away with it.

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