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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:24 pm

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    What's up with shitload of commie apologists in UK media lately? At this rate I expect parade with Soviet banners outside Buckingham Palace Suspectlol1 





    Putin’s Russia can’t celebrate its revolutionary past. It has to smother it

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/03/putin-russia-revolution-ignore-centenary




    100 years since the Russian Revolution, I'm glad to see Putin leading a capitalist utopia

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russian-revolution-putin-communism-jeremy-corbyn-karl-marx-capitalism-a8034266.html
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    What's up with shitload of commie apologists in UK media lately? At this rate I expect parade with Soviet banners outside Buckingham Palace Suspectlol1 





    Putin’s Russia can’t celebrate its revolutionary past. It has to smother it

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/03/putin-russia-revolution-ignore-centenary




    100 years since the Russian Revolution, I'm glad to see Putin leading a capitalist utopia

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russian-revolution-putin-communism-jeremy-corbyn-karl-marx-capitalism-a8034266.html

    Its good that people are starting to hate free marketeers in the west. The UK, although I hate its posh culture, history and politics with all my heart, has some of the best working class and national socialist(in ters of socialism in one country like the SNP)socialist movements and activists. Russian communists should learn from the british proletariat and should increase their hatred for Russian oligarchs, the Russian bourgeoisie, and Russian right wing capitalist parasitic Abrahamic clergy, just as the British(including celtic nationalist) proletariat hates the oligarchs and Aristocratic fossilized pieces of steaming dogshit in the City of London.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:09 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:................. Russian communists should learn from the british proletariat and should increase their hatred for Russian oligarchs, the Russian bourgeoisie, and Russian right wing capitalist parasitic Abrahamic clergy, just as the British(including celtic nationalist) proletariat hates the oligarchs and Aristocratic fossilized pieces of steaming dogshit in the City of London.

    ROFL  lol1

    Russian commies should just shut the fuck up and fade into oblivion.

    They had their chance and they wasted whole century creating and developing fictional nations while simultaneously exterminating Russian population and culture.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:................. Russian communists should learn from the british proletariat and should increase their hatred for Russian oligarchs, the Russian bourgeoisie, and Russian right wing capitalist parasitic Abrahamic clergy, just as the British(including celtic nationalist) proletariat hates the oligarchs and Aristocratic fossilized pieces of steaming dogshit in the City of London.

    ROFL  lol1

    Russian commies should just shut the fuck up and fade into oblivion.

    They had their chance and they wasted whole century creating and developing fictional nations while simultaneously exterminating Russian population and culture.
    Fictional nations? Are you shitting me? During the USSR people were far more russified. Ukraine was created by right wing austrohungarian imperialists, not the soviets.

    Extermination. Where the soviet population had a constant population growth? It was under the free market where Russia experienced a larger population catastrophe than the nazi genocides. And a t fat corrupt clergy subsidized by an elitist degenerate germanic aristocracy, plus a jewish exploitative bourgeoisie has nothing to do with Russian culture. The soviets returned to actual Russian culture of the peasant and the worker, turned in a new positive direction which espoused economic equality, collectivism, atheism from abrahamic BS.

    The religious oligarchic scum had its chance for 20 years, now they should return the means of production that they didnt destroy to the Russian proletariat.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:01 am

    The religious oligarchic scum had its chance for 20 years, now they should return the means of production that they didnt destroy to the Russian proletariat.

    "Proletariat"???

    Bwahahahahahaha, you did not just say that word, holy shit!!! lol1 lol1 lol1

    Are you going to start singing some Le Internationale now?

    Holy shit, you are too funny but if your stated age is correct it's quite understandable.

    Anyway, what's the rush? Commies had 80 years to do their thing so it's only fair that "religious oligarchic scum" do rest of their term. So that's 50 more years according to your calendar.

    Let's see how they do first.thumbsup
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:22 am


    Holy shit, you are too funny but if your stated age is correct it's quite understandable.

    I don't want to live in a free market oligarchic shithole world the rest of my life

    Let's see how they do first.thumbsup
    We saw how they did. They destroyed the Russian population, the Russian space industry, Russian technological development, etc. They ruined Russian foreign policy towards rapprochement to the capitalist parasite known as the EU and the US. The soviets did their best to support the nation under completely impossible circumstances(multiple foreign invasions and genocides, reactionary terror, and constant sanctions and an arms race caused by the Western Empire).
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:35 am

    I don't want to live in a free market oligarchic shithole world the rest of my life

    Well you should put that in writing and mail it to your parents/grandparents. Same goes for everyone in East Europe.

    We saw how they did. They destroyed the Russian population, the Russian space industry, Russian technological development, etc. They ruined Russian foreign policy towards rapprochement to the capitalist parasite known as the EU and the US. 

    True. Still just a joke compared to what commies did in their first 20 years.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    What's up with shitload of commie apologists in UK media lately? At this rate I expect parade with Soviet banners outside Buckingham Palace Suspectlol1 





    Putin’s Russia can’t celebrate its revolutionary past. It has to smother it

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/03/putin-russia-revolution-ignore-centenary




    100 years since the Russian Revolution, I'm glad to see Putin leading a capitalist utopia

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russian-revolution-putin-communism-jeremy-corbyn-karl-marx-capitalism-a8034266.html


    This must be part of the cunning propaganda playbook in NATO paragons of democracy. You see, first they accuse Russia
    of not acknowledging the crimes of the commies. When Russia puts up memorials like the recent one in Moscow, and the
    cathedral on grounds where repressions were staged en masse, these NATO scumbag liars need to push the opposite angle
    and claim that Russia is dissing the commies too much. Russia needs to always be doing wrong even if that means that NATO
    propagandists are in spasms of revisionism.

    F*ck NATO propagandists. They are the only ones who can swallow the shit they are peddling.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:34 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:................. Russian communists should learn from the british proletariat and should increase their hatred for Russian oligarchs, the Russian bourgeoisie, and Russian right wing capitalist parasitic Abrahamic clergy, just as the British(including celtic nationalist) proletariat hates the oligarchs and Aristocratic fossilized pieces of steaming dogshit in the City of London.

    ROFL  lol1

    Russian commies should just shut the fuck up and fade into oblivion.

    They had their chance and they wasted whole century creating and developing fictional nations while simultaneously exterminating Russian population and culture.
    Fictional nations? Are you shitting me? During the USSR people were far more russified. Ukraine was created by right wing austrohungarian imperialists, not the soviets.

    Extermination. Where the soviet population had a constant population growth? It was under the free market where Russia experienced a larger population catastrophe than the nazi genocides. And a t fat corrupt clergy subsidized by an elitist degenerate germanic aristocracy, plus a jewish exploitative bourgeoisie has nothing to do with Russian culture. The soviets returned to actual Russian culture of the peasant and the worker, turned in a new positive direction which espoused economic equality, collectivism, atheism from abrahamic BS.

    The religious oligarchic scum had its chance for 20 years, now they should return the means of production that they didnt destroy to the Russian proletariat.


    Ukraine was created by Sweden, they came from there on their boats.

    Ukraine even wanted to become part of Sweden during the mid-17th century, Bohdan Chmielnicki himself was scheming it.

    What they did not teach you in either Soviet or Bulgarian schools is that the Ukrainian Cossack "freedom fighters" rebelled under Chmielnicki against Poland, in part because the Polish government and nobility refused to make them into nobles. There were some other causes also, but that refusal to ennoble the Zaporozhian Cossacks was one of the major ones.

    Yes, these "anti-feudal freedom fighters" wanted to become nobles, and to have their own serfs who would work for them. At that time there were many Polish nobles who did not have any serfs, and there were even some who did not own any land and were very poor.

    With the percentage of the nobility in the Belarussian-Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth, variously estimated at 6-12% of the total population and being one of the largest in Europe, the Polish government's refusal is totally understandable. Even decades before that the Polish government cracked-down on the so-called "heraldic adoptions" for the same reason, so as to not inflate the percentage of the nobility even more. By comparison in Hungary the nobility was 5%, in Spain 5% (or 8%?), in England 2%, while in France it was lowest at only 1%.

    So there was not even a real ethnic or religious discrimination, only a government which refused to inflate the percentage of the nobility. On the other hand, the motivations of many of these Cossack "freedom fighters" were totally base, selfish, and clearly not anti-feudal.



    So this whole thing is much older than even the Austro-Hungarian monarchy.


    Should I even mention Askold?
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:59 pm

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    Seriously, what is up with this commie surge these days. Could it be that McCarthy was right?  Suspect

    Now we have another (surprise, British) clown claiming that communism was perfectly fine but that it failed because of, you guessed it, Russians:



    How Russia’s revolutionaries won the battle but lost the war


    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1188421



    I mean, never mind the fact that whole thing was load of bullshit that would have failed miserably no matter where experiment was conducted, no sir, system was fine, it's just that those dastardly Russians fucked up their promised Utopia... Fucking snowflakes... Rolling Eyes




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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:07 am

    The Russians are to blame argument is pure retardation. How come communism failed in China, Vietnam, and elsewhere? China
    was fully in charge of its own house from 1949 onward. Vietnam was independent from both China and the USSR. How about
    North Korea? Are all those examples the failure of Russians?

    The British can't think straight when it comes to Russia. I attribute this to an inferiority complex. The British may have had
    an empire on which the sun never set, but today they just have Old Blighty and are Uncle Scumbag's pet poodle. But the
    Russian "inferiors" have a real resource empire in their borders and give Uncle Scumbag the middle finger.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  eehnie on Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:16 am

    kvs wrote:How come communism failed in China, Vietnam

    ??? failed ???
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:45 am


    When the Soviet union collapsed , it was unexpected . The army was present . And the popular movement could have been suppressed by force . But it would have delayed the return to socialist system . It was better to let the population "win " .

    Someone said : " .....this has set back the cause of socialism for another two hundred years ." Two hundred years is a short time in social terms .


    Now I think that we are all going to die by global warming . Before we achieve a capitalist paradise . Before a socialist shangree la .

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:02 am

    Rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer, while the population ages... waiting to hear why every man for himeself democracy is so much better than communism...

    BTW there was democracy 200 years ago on a pirate ship, but not today on a British Destroyer... explain that.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:20 am


    Salam Garryb

    long time no see ! Been gefting over flu myself . Darned public sauna . Full of germs ! Avoid . My own explanation . Is that human society traded off it's humanity to pay for it's dominance of the world . Gaining in knowledge and loosing it's goodness . Think about our grandparents . Their marriages and relationships ( human content ) . Think about the difficult marriages of our parents . Think about the non-existent relationships of today . A degradation of human bonds . A progress in material possessions . Knowledge ..............
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    Re: Western propaganda

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:22 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    kvs wrote:How come communism failed in China, Vietnam

    ??? failed ???

    WTF, are you even aware of the economic systems in China and Vietnam today...they are not communism.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:Rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer, while the population ages... waiting to hear why every man for himeself democracy is so much better than communism...

    BTW there was democracy 200 years ago on a pirate ship, but not today on a British Destroyer... explain that.

    The Russian masses are better off today than they were in 1990. This is reflected in the fact that consumption of alcohol has
    dropped below the levels seen under Gorbachev's draconian control measures, but without any controls. The argument that
    the rich are getting richer is irrelevant if the masses are experiencing improved living conditions. No more idiotic shortages of
    essentials (e.g. food) and finally proper development of transport infrastructure.

    But Russian capitalism is not really western capitalism since it has a lot of hold over elements of communism. For example,
    big companies still provide social services. As always, the Devil is in the details and simple generalizations about Russia
    and other countries are likely to be wrong.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:57 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    kvs wrote:How come communism failed in China, Vietnam

    ??? failed ???

    Yes and it resulted in Russia loosing historically Russian territories, cities and towns in the Ukraine, entire Belarus, the Baltics and the -stans. That's what communism ultimately achieved for Russia, a shrinking land mass(and national identity) in key European and central Asian regions. Also, military retreat on all fronts, Eastern Europe, old Russia proper, central Asia, Mongolia and the Middle East.

    <slow 80s movie clap>


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:00 pm



    Oh man this is fucking gold:

    ...“People think that history is one long evil continuum, from Lenin, to Stalin, to the Gulag, to the Holocaust, to Putin,” she adds, before asserting that this is “incredibly wrong”....

    So Red Terror and Civil War were just unfortunate side effects of spontaneous implementation of their Utopia but real problem is Putin and modern Russia? Those two are worse than Red Terror?

    Because all it's needed is just one more genocidal coup d'etat and everything will be fine? You can't make this shit up...oh wait, you can. lol1

    If they love communism so much maybe they should try it themselves for a change, damn thing was already field tested extensively. I say go for it, make West great again! thumbsup
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:


    Oh man this is fucking gold:

    ...“People think that history is one long evil continuum, from Lenin, to Stalin, to the Gulag, to the Holocaust, to Putin,” she adds, before asserting that this is “incredibly wrong”....

    So Red Terror and Civil War were just unfortunate side effects of spontaneous implementation of their Utopia but real problem is Putin and modern Russia? Those two are worse than Red Terror?

    Because all it's needed is just one more genocidal coup d'etat and everything will be fine? You can't make this shit up...oh wait, you can. lol1

    If they love communism so much maybe they should try it themselves for a change, damn thing was already field tested extensively. I say go for it, make West great again! thumbsup

    The mind boggles. I won't get into the value of theoretical communism. But the Red Terror and subsequent repressions were some of the
    worst cases of evil butchery of innocents in history. To make out Putin's administrations to be worse than those periods is grotesquely
    obscene revisionism. Where are the millions of Putin's victims? Under Yeltsin, over 8 million Russians died from shock therapy
    monetarist economic voodoo. I don't hear a squeak about Yeltsin's regime. Under Putin Russia's population has begun to grow again.
    And Putin released over 200,000 from jail back during the 2000s. There are no gulags and no capital punishment in Russia since before 1991.

    But I see a pattern here. When Russians have representative government that looks out for their interests, then Russia is bad, bad, bad.
    But when Russia is rule by a criminal regime that is preoccupied with slaughtering Russians or destroying Russia's economy, then that
    is just dandy. Western pundits and academics were praising the USSR during the 1920s and 1930s. The Cold War started when
    thing actually normalized in the USSR. The best period of the USSR was after WWII until 1991. The late 40s and most of the 50s
    were rough due to WWII and Stalin was still in power until 1953. But the excesses seen before WWII were no longer there. You
    could say the 1960s were the USSR golden era. But then after the mid 1970s stagnation set in and the communist elite decided to
    go capitalist.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:09 pm

    kvs wrote:I don't hear a squeak about Yeltsin's regime

    Yeltin actually sent the tanks to fire and shell the frickin parliament and nobody in the US or EU (then EEC) said anything.
    The same establishment that few years back put sanctions on China for Tienanmen square. Go figure dunno

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    Seriously, what is up with this commie surge these days. Could it be that McCarthy was right?  Suspect

    Now we have another (surprise, British) clown claiming that communism was perfectly fine but that it failed because of, you guessed it, Russians:



    How Russia’s revolutionaries won the battle but lost the war


    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1188421



    I mean, never mind the fact that whole thing was load of bullshit that would have failed miserably no matter where experiment was conducted, no sir, system was fine, it's just that those dastardly Russians fucked up their promised Utopia... Fucking snowflakes... Rolling Eyes








    "Lets cherrypick literal new left nobodies while ignoring the ubiquitous capitalist and alt right lies about the USSR being peddled by all major western media outlets in last 70 years"
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:05 pm


    Dumb chetnik wrote:So Red Terror and Civil War were just unfortunate side effects of spontaneous implementation of their Utopia but real problem is Putin and modern Russia? Those two are worse than Red Terror?

    The civil war was caused by imperialist aggression against the revolution of the peasants and proletariat by directly invading and funding murderous aristocratic(the white army), reactionary(Pilsudski, Czech legions, Ungern)) and religious fundamentalist(Basmachi, Cossacks) proxies who commited countless terror attacks and massacres against the soviet people, as well as ruining the economy through their pillaging.

    The was no red terror outside of the repressions of 1937, and most of those were against actual imperialist agents, religious extremist Islamic terrorists. The death count was far less than the BS propaganda, and even if it was wrong in today's age, it wasn't worse than what reactionary capitalist countries were doing back then(British empire murdering anticolonialists workers by the thousands, Eastern European reactionary bourgeois dictatorships massacreing tens of thousands of innocents and even slightly leftist activists(Bulgaria was a victim of Czarist repressions in the 20s and 30s))



    If they love communism so much maybe they should try it themselves for a change, damn thing was already field tested extensively. I say go for it, make West great again!

    Except they don't, and I sincerely hope there is an anticapitalist revolution in the west to destroy the bourgeoisie international terrorist scum there once and for all.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:07 pm

    kvs wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:


    Oh man this is fucking gold:

    ...“People think that history is one long evil continuum, from Lenin, to Stalin, to the Gulag, to the Holocaust, to Putin,” she adds, before asserting that this is “incredibly wrong”....

    So Red Terror and Civil War were just unfortunate side effects of spontaneous implementation of their Utopia but real problem is Putin and modern Russia? Those two are worse than Red Terror?

    Because all it's needed is just one more genocidal coup d'etat and everything will be fine? You can't make this shit up...oh wait, you can. lol1

    If they love communism so much maybe they should try it themselves for a change, damn thing was already field tested extensively. I say go for it, make West great again! thumbsup

    The mind boggles.  I won't get into the value of theoretical communism.   But the Red Terror and subsequent repressions were some of the
    worst cases of evil butchery of innocents in history.   To make out Putin's administrations to be worse than those periods is grotesquely
    obscene revisionism.   Where are the millions of Putin's victims?   Under Yeltsin, over 8 million Russians died from shock therapy
    monetarist economic voodoo.   I don't hear a squeak about Yeltsin's regime.   Under Putin Russia's population has begun to grow again.  
    And Putin released over 200,000 from jail back during the 2000s.    There are no gulags and no capital punishment in Russia since before 1991.    

    But I see a pattern here.  When Russians have representative government that looks out for their interests, then Russia is bad, bad, bad.
    But when Russia is rule by a criminal regime that is preoccupied with slaughtering Russians or destroying Russia's economy, then that
    is just dandy.   Western pundits and academics were praising the USSR during the 1920s and 1930s.   The Cold War started when
    thing actually normalized in the USSR.   The best period of the USSR was after WWII until 1991.   The late 40s and most of the 50s
    were rough due to WWII and Stalin was still in power until 1953.   But the excesses seen before WWII were no longer there.   You
    could say the 1960s were the USSR golden era.   But then after the mid 1970s stagnation set in and the communist elite decided to
    go capitalist.    
    It was always the Western empires who were hell bent on the destruction of the first anticapitalist great power, hence the massive invasions by reactionary proxies, sanctions, overthrowing of potential allies, causing the crash of oil prices, regime change operations,etc.). While the soviet government made many incompetent decisions, it always had the interest of Russian and Slavic power in mind.

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