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    miketheterrible

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 28, 2017 9:46 pm

    Exactly. And this Russian programmer is doing the right thing and being very collective about it. Mail.ru insisted to give him the prize money as a way of showing integrity but he denied it and told them to donate it to a science organization. Good on the guy and good on mail.ru. goes to show more humanity exists in the so called "heavily corrupt" nations than it does in the "angelic and integrity driven" west.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:38 pm

    AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
    USA is official tinfoil capital of the free world Rolling Eyes


    CNN Exclusive: US suspects Russian hackers planted fake news behind Qatar crisis

    Washington (CNN)US investigators believe Russian hackers breached Qatar's state news agency and planted a fake news report that contributed to a crisis among the US' closest Gulf allies, according to US officials briefed on the investigation.

    The FBI recently sent a team of investigators to Doha to help the Qatari government investigate the alleged hacking incident, Qatari and US government officials say.
    Intelligence gathered by the US security agencies indicates that Russian hackers were behind the intrusion first reported by the Qatari government two weeks ago, US officials say. Qatar hosts one of the largest US military bases in the region.

    The alleged involvement of Russian hackers intensifies concerns by US intelligence and law enforcement agencies that Russia continues to try some of the same cyber-hacking measures on US allies that intelligence agencies believe it used to meddle in the 2016 elections.
    US officials say the Russian goal appears to be to cause rifts among the US and its allies. In recent months, suspected Russian cyber activities, including the use of fake news stories, have turned up amid elections in France, Germany and other countries.

    It's not yet clear whether the US has tracked the hackers in the Qatar incident to Russian criminal organizations or to the Russian security services blamed for the US election hacks. One official noted that based on past intelligence, "not much happens in that country without the blessing of the government."
    The FBI and CIA declined to comment. A spokeswoman for the Qatari embassy in Washington said the investigation is ongoing and its results would be released publicly soon.
    The Qatari government has said a May 23 news report on its Qatar News Agency attributed false remarks to the nation's ruler that appeared friendly to Iran and Israel and questioned whether President Donald Trump would last in office.
    Qatari Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed Bin Abdulrahman al-Thani told CNN the FBI has confirmed the hack and the planting of fake news.
    "Whatever has been thrown as an accusation is all based on misinformation and we think that the entire crisis being based on misinformation," the foreign minister told CNN's Becky Anderson. "Because it was started based on fabricated news, being wedged and being inserted in our national news agency which was hacked and proved by the FBI."
    Sheikh Saif Bin Ahmed Al-Thani, director of the Qatari Government Communications Office, confirmed that Qatar's Ministry of Interior is working with the FBI and the United Kingdom's National Crime Agency on the ongoing hacking investigation of the Qatar News Agency.
    "The Ministry of Interior will reveal the findings of the investigation when completed," he told CNN.
    Partly in reaction to the false news report, Qatar's neighbors, led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, have cut off economic and political ties, causing a broader crisis.
    The report came at a time of escalating tension over accusations Qatar was financing terrorism.
    On Tuesday, Trump tweeted criticism of Qatar that mirrors that of the Saudis and others in the region who have long objected to Qatar's foreign policy. He did not address the false news report.
    "So good to see the Saudi Arabia visit with the King and 50 countries already paying off," Trump said in a series of tweets. "They said they would take a hard line on funding extremism, and all reference was pointing to Qatar. Perhaps this will be the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism!"
    In his tweet, Trump voiced support for the regional blockade of Qatar and cited Qatar's funding of terrorist groups. The Qataris have rejected the terror-funding accusations.

    Hours after Trump's tweets, the US State Department said Qatar had made progress on stemming the funding of terrorists but that there was more work to be done.
    US and European authorities have complained for years about funding for extremists from Saudi Arabia and other nations in the Gulf region. Fifteen of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

    Last year during a visit to Saudi Arabia, Obama administration officials raised the issue of Saudi funding to build mosques in Europe and Africa that are helping to spread an ultra-conservative strain of Islam.

    US intelligence has long been concerned with what they say is the Russian government's ability to plant fake news in otherwise credible streams, according to US officials.
    That concern has surfaced in recent months in congressional briefings by former FBI Director James Comey.

    Comey told lawmakers that one reason he decided to bypass his Justice Department bosses in announcing no charges in the probe of Hillary Clinton's private email server was the concern about an apparent fake piece of Russian intelligence. The intelligence suggested the Russians had an email that indicated former Attorney General Loretta Lynch had assured Democrats she wouldn't let the Clinton probe lead to charges.

    The FBI came to believe the email was fake, but still feared the Russians could release it to undermine the Justice Department's role in the probe.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:13 am

    Hmmm... makes you think though doesn't it...

    I mean my cat got sick last year and I had to have her put down... perhaps it was actually Russian hackers that interfered with her source code?


    Perhaps the only solution is to blame Russian Hackers for everything... if the western media does it anyway... what is there to lose except to reduce the credibility of everyone who uses such a claim seriously...


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:32 pm

    When American Propaganda just makes them look stupid:
    https://www.rt.com/news/395840-state-department-report-russian-atlantis-kitezh/

    Essentially, they throw a stone from a glass house, regarding a homeless issue, in a town that hasn't existed since 13th century.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:51 pm


    As far as propaganda . This term is not viewed favourably . General understanding of this term indicates false or falsified information. Similar to disinformation . But propaganda in my understanding can also refer to true information . Also I think Lenin said that no person can be neutral about politics . So opinion by individuals or state actors seems to be unavoidable . Every state will have their stance on a subject . And they express it . But if these reflect the truth . Then no disinformation is intended . There is no limitation on subjects being discussed . No time limits for conversation . So Russians are free to talk about their viewpoint about other politicians in other countries . As long as they can back up what they say . Did not the BBC accuse Russian politician of various misdeeds ! But did they show any evidence ? Then this is disinformation . Subversion . Meddling .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:58 am

    https://twitter.com/NATO/status/884769177906675712

    Got to love how NATO is promoting Nazi's from the Baltics.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:56 pm

    @miketheterrible


    Racism and bigotry , seems to be part of the human psyche . A product of his mind . Seen in all races of people . However , circumstances do have an effect on this mental disability . Social stress of various sorts do play a part . Immediate economic conditions are important . But history plays a part . Whatever the cause of extreme racism , I believe that the cause can be found . But knowing the cause , does not imply knowing the cure .


    There is a belt of racists along Russia western border in Europe . Such defined geography is no accident . Must have identifiable causes . Can not simply be poverty . Since I have seen similar trend ( extreme racism ) among Australian and New Zealanders and Brits and Yanks..........All seem to be Islands ......flow and mixing of peoples across historical time ? .... Or simply that economic advantage through trade , led to advantageous military position . These nations then just taking advantage of the weak nations . If the latter then there may be no cure . Just fighting the effects . Through military streangth .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Kimppis on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:10 pm

    So apparently the neo-nazi site Daily Stormer was banned from Google, etc., so they registered a new domain "dailystormer.ru".

    As you can expect, a massive Russophobic hysteria ensued on Twitter, from the usual suspects.... tens of thousands of retweets, etc.

    Well, equally unsurprisingly, to those of us who actually know something about Russia, Roskomnadzor blocked the site and domain a day later.

    The Russophobes' reaction to that? *Crickets*, as Anatoly Karlin puts it. Shocking! Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Western "Russia experts" and media, but what a classic example of anti-Russian propaganda.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/898164051049672705

    "Blue Checkmarks associating (bad) Neo-Nazis with Russia = 1,000s of RTs. Follow-up it was kicked off dailystormer.ru in one-day = *crickets*"

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/society-282/
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Godric on Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:29 pm

    Kimppis wrote:So apparently the neo-nazi site Daily Stormer was banned from Google, etc., so they registered a new domain "dailystormer.ru".

    As you can expect, a massive Russophobic hysteria ensued on Twitter, from the usual suspects.... tens of thousands of retweets, etc.

    Well, equally unsurprisingly, to those of us who actually know something about Russia, Roskomnadzor blocked the site and domain a day later.

    The Russophobes' reaction to that? *Crickets*, as Anatoly Karlin puts it. Shocking! Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Western "Russia experts" and media, but what a classic example of anti-Russian propaganda.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/898164051049672705  

    "Blue Checkmarks associating (bad) Neo-Nazis with Russia = 1,000s of RTs. Follow-up it was kicked off dailystormer.ru in one-day = *crickets*"

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/society-282/

    living in a North western country (Alba - Ala-Pa) i can confirm the media in my country are all fucking partial scumbags every single media outlet in my country is foreign owned English or Aussie (Murdoch)
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:28 pm

    Kimppis wrote:So apparently the neo-nazi site Daily Stormer was banned from Google, etc., so they registered a new domain "dailystormer.ru".

    As you can expect, a massive Russophobic hysteria ensued on Twitter, from the usual suspects.... tens of thousands of retweets, etc.

    Well, equally unsurprisingly, to those of us who actually know something about Russia, Roskomnadzor blocked the site and domain a day later.

    The Russophobes' reaction to that? *Crickets*, as Anatoly Karlin puts it. Shocking! Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Western "Russia experts" and media, but what a classic example of anti-Russian propaganda.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/898164051049672705  

    "Blue Checkmarks associating (bad) Neo-Nazis with Russia = 1,000s of RTs. Follow-up it was kicked off dailystormer.ru in one-day = *crickets*"

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/society-282/

    Several years ago I might have paid attention but now all this media BS about Russia has long become white noise to me

    Nothing surprises me in this department anymore but I don't particularly care either...
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:51 am

    Exactly... to people who care about the truth, the western media is making itself irrelevant.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:28 am

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:22 am

    Funny... it was the Soviets that went for long range anti ship missiles and the US that relied on its organic air power via its carriers to take the fight to the enemy.

    Now they are saying that long range anti ship missiles might actually be a useful thing...

    Except their missiles are still piece of crap subsonic missiles that 1970s guns can shoot down. 21st C air defence systems will eat such missiles for breakfast 24/7.

    I would add that the chinese missile it mentions that is supersonic for the last few seconds of flight that it mentions has a range of 240 miles is a copy of the supersonic Klub missile... a subsonic cruise missile with a rocket powered supersonic payload... the purpose of the subsonic portion is long range flight at low level, while the supersonic rocket powered portion is to reduce flight time in the terminal phase when the enemy ship can react to the attack...

    We know the export model of the supersonic Klub sold to China and India has a max range of 300km but there is no such limitation on the Russian model whose range could be 1,500km for all we know, yet still mach 2.9 for the terminal phase of its attack, which makes it very hard to intercept.

    BTW looked at other articles on the website and it says the PAK FA is already a failure...

    Why do you bother reading such shit?

    More importantly why do you post links to that crap here?


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Project Canada on Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:28 am


    If US can upgrade their Tomahawks to have 1000k+ range then i dont see how Russia and China can't do the same when given enough time to upgrade their own.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:18 am

    The Tomahawks already had long range... what they lacked was the ability to hit moving targets like ships that move while the missile is in flight.

    The fact that the Russians have reportedly given Granit land attack capability suggests they want multirole missiles.

    Onyx also reportedly has land attack capability but also the ability to hit ships too.

    One could surmise that the 2,500km range Kalibre could also be given the ability to hit ships at sea too... in terms of targeting the Russian Navy is introducing a fleet wide data network that includes subs and satellites to collect target data, so very long range anti ship missiles should be perfectly possible.

    Equally the article does not include the ballistic Chinese anti carrier group missile which no doubt has a range of several thousand kms too...

    This is hardly a game changer as I mentioned because a very long range subsonic missile will take rather more time to reach its target than a medium range very fast missile like the ones the Russians and Chinese have...

    Still a good reason for Russia and China to continue with their carrier programmes as the easiest way to defeat a long range missile attack is with long range vision from carrier based and air based and spaced based radars, and with aircraft armed with AAMs... even simple R-60MKs would be very effective at shooting down Tomahawks if you get them close enough.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:03 am

    GarryB wrote:Funny... it was the Soviets that went for long range anti ship missiles and the US that relied on its organic air power via its carriers to take the fight to the enemy.

    Now they are saying that long range anti ship missiles might actually be a useful thing...

    Except their missiles are still piece of crap subsonic missiles that 1970s guns can shoot down. 21st C air defence systems will eat such missiles for breakfast 24/7.

    I would add that the chinese missile it mentions that is supersonic for the last few seconds of flight that it mentions has a range of 240 miles is a copy of the supersonic Klub missile... a subsonic cruise missile with a rocket powered supersonic payload... the purpose of the subsonic portion is long range flight at low level, while the supersonic rocket powered portion is to reduce flight time in the terminal phase when the enemy ship can react to the attack...

    We know the export model of the supersonic Klub sold to China and India has a max range of 300km but there is no such limitation on the Russian model whose range could be 1,500km for all we know, yet still mach 2.9 for the terminal phase of its attack, which makes it very hard to intercept.

    BTW looked at other articles on the website and it says the PAK FA is already a failure...

    Why do you bother reading such shit?

    More importantly why do you post links to that crap here?

    It seems like the appropriate thread since it is propaganda. Anyway, it is this sort of delusional BS that is giving NATO politicians and generals
    an extremely distorted view of reality. One can try and fob this off with the claim that they are privy to more accurate information. But that
    is not how societies work. Groupthink and peer pressure routinely overcome facts. Propaganda being fed to the masses eventually feeds back
    onto the elites that dish it out. NATO is in the thrall of its own voodoo.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:17 pm

    I want to know does Russia have the capabilities to help other countries during times of crisis like when natual disasters hit a country like hurricanes, earthquakes, floods and others types of disasters? I hear that the United States sends its military and disaster aid to help other countries when natural disasters hit such a country. The US points to this and says to critics that America is not so bad and that it is the only country with this capability.  I would like to know why doesn't Russia do more to help other countries during natural disasters?

    Moreover, how do people balance this aspect of US foreign disaster relief with the US military using its resources to help with a critique of an aggressive US foreign policy and its military actions as well as its support for the corrupt IMF and World Bank?

    https://govbooktalk.gpo.gov/2012/03/05/the-u-s-military-storms-to-the-rescue-in-foreign-disaster-relief/

    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/190954-the-case-for-us-military-response-during-international
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  franco on Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:25 pm

    Russia has a very large, well organized and equipped Rescue organization. And they help people around the world all the time. Here is the thread on this site for that organization.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1993-emercom-the-ministry-of-emergency-situations
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:51 am

    Russia offers aide in disaster relief situations though such offers are not always accepted.

    I seem to remember the US refusing an offer of Russian helos after Katrina.... the president being criticised for that as they could have used them.

    Us help was refused by Myanmar, while Russian help was accepted.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:31 am

    GarryB wrote:Russia offers aide in disaster relief situations though such offers are not  always accepted.

    I seem to remember the US refusing an offer of Russian helos after Katrina.... the president being criticised for that as they could have used them.

    Us help was refused by Myanmar, while Russian help was accepted.

    So is it propaganda that the US military is the only one that has the capability to help poor countries? Are there any devious motives when it comes to foreign aid? I would also like to know do citizens in other wealthy countries donate money to poor countries? In my opinion, foreign financial aid has done more harm than good for developing countries. There was no IMF or World Bank when the US, Japan, Germany, Canada and other First World countries became rich.

    https://www.hudson.org/research/1183-american-generosity-in-foreign-giving

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:26 am

    andalusia wrote:
    So is it propaganda that the US military is the only one that has the capability to help poor countries? Are there any devious motives when it comes to foreign aid? I would also like to know do citizens in other wealthy countries donate money to poor countries? In my opinion, foreign financial aid has done more harm than good for developing countries.  There was no IMF or World Bank when the US, Japan, Germany, Canada and other First World countries became rich.  

    https://www.hudson.org/research/1183-american-generosity-in-foreign-giving
    Of course it is a lie. Here in this same forum there are pictures of Venezuela aid to Caribbean islands after the hurricanes. And Russia has sent humanitarian relief to other countries even in its worst economic times in the 90's.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:27 am

    The US and Canada routinely refuse any Russian help in the case of forest fires. The Be-200 is the best fire fighting craft there
    is. But accepting Russian help makes the self-anointed masters of technology and the universe appear worthless and weak.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:55 am

    US aide is often used to show that the US is a force for good in the world, but it is generally just a front...

    they bomb more than they help.

    US and western food aide generally undercuts local farmers who can't compete against free food.

    In most countries the food is seized and given to allies of the government... in Somalia the warlords fought over such things... and the US backed the wrong people there Backhawk down.....


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:53 am

    These are two good articles about Donald Trump's speech at the UN and the US ambassador at the U.N. Nikki Haley:

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/09/20/trump-un-politics-rodomontade/

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/09/06/bombast-nikki-haley/
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Godric on Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:20 am

    i have not been able to access RT.com website for 48 hours since upgrading my BT package to BT infinity (fibre) wtf is going on ??

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