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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:56 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The European Parliament declared Russia's information war
    Their days are numbered, there will be elections soon in many EU countries from December this year through 2017: Austria, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Netherlands. We can be sure that right wing/conservative/eurosceptics will rise (or better still, form a government). These will probably revert the current Russophobia, as Trump will also likely do.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Sinan on Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:51 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The European Parliament declared Russia's information war

    MEPs adopted a resolution on "Strategic communication of the EU as a counter-propaganda of the third parties." The document, which is Advisory in nature, primarily directed against Russia. The authors of the text, offering to fight "misinformation" and calling to restrict the access of European citizens to a number of Russian media and organizations insist that such actions are taken for the sake of freedom of information.

    According to the drafters of the resolution, Russia is pursuing a "hostile propaganda" and strongly supports the opposition parties and organizations in the EU. The majority of MEPs did not bother to even call to counter propaganda "from Russia and Islamic terrorist groups", actually puts Russia on a par with global extremism. However, although in Moscow such a gesture from Europe is not happy, appeals to repay to partners the same coin sound. President Vladimir Putin said that Russia is "trying to teach democracy, but a ban is not the best way". The Russian leader expressed hope that common sense will prevail after all.

    As told "Izvestia" Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on international Affairs Konstantin Kosachev, the new resolution does not hold water.

    — Suffice it to recall that at the stage of preparation there was the odious factual errors. For example, a news Agency called channel. In resolution, there are no facts that would prove the existence of the information war to blame Russia. If they were, then the relevant Russian journalists have long worn out would be through the courts. This is not because the facts, operated by the Russian media, is impeccable. It turns out, in the European Parliament are not fighting with the distortion of facts and their interpretation and presentation. But this may not be the subject of counteraction. Colleagues in the European Parliament demonstrate the worst methods of the world socialist system, when it is already on our side, the real facts tried by all possible means, to cut off the end consumer in the USSR and other socialist countries. Doing that now MEPs. This is low-quality policy, — said Konstantin Kosachev.

    The Senator noted that Russia is no longer Soviet Union and do not conduct information warfare, "provides in accordance with the European values the access of Russian consumers of information to any interpretation of the facts".

    — We have to stay with it. I consider excessive to restrict the activities of foreign mass media towards Russia artificially as long as this activity stays within the law. We must be models of adherence to the values of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, which our European colleagues like to say, but that is definitely not committed in practice. This proves the resolution aimed to fix in the minds of Western people distrust the Russian media. This is an information war from the European Parliament. Do not rule out that behind the text there are specific lobbyists, piercing the funding for the Western media, — said Konstantin Kosachev.

    Among the "instruments of propaganda" in the resolution refers to the Federal Agency "Rossotrudnichestvo" under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. According to the head of the Agency Lyubov Glebova, to equate Rossotrudnichestvo to the tools of propaganda is completely unacceptable.

    The centre establishes and develops relations between ordinary people, a kind of "human bridges". The Agency is not propaganda. The main tools that we use are the promotion of Russian culture and the Russian language, Russian education, support of compatriots, work with young people. Realizing all these areas, we strive to maintain a trusting relationship with all partners and people, in whatever country they may be, with all those who are interested in Russia. Perhaps that is why we are afraid of all those whose head is firmly entrenched aggressive image of Russia who are not ready to hear and listen to an alternative point of view about Russia — said Lyubov Glebova "news".

    In turn, the special representative of Russian President for international cultural cooperation Mikhail Shvydkoi believes that the actions of MEPs did not differ foresight and can at some point reach the point of absurdity.

    — This resolution means recognizing the effectiveness of the Russian institutions. But it is meaningless. The activities of all these media organizations is determined by international agreements and the legislation of certain countries. Usually, this kind of things exist on a reciprocal basis. Imagine that closed Russian centre of science and culture in any country of the EU. In response we will close the accounting centre of the country. Is it good for the citizens? Do we make similar statements? It is possible to make. But I work with many foreign institutions and would not recommend to our parliamentarians to make statements against them, because they bring many benefits to the Russians. Such a resolution — a stupid act. Then it is necessary to prohibit Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov — they are the main "advocates" of cultural values of Russia, — said Mikhail Shvydkoi in an interview with "Izvestia".


    Militarov wrote: Jones is losing it abit
    who´s is this young retard talking sh!t about things he´s got no idea about?

    While lecturing other countries about democracy, freedom of speech, etc... banning Russian press.

    Western "freedom of speech" exists as long as it serves their interests.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:41 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/369604-syria-humanitarian-aid-eu/

    Moscow has blasted as “outrageous twisting of the facts” a statement by EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, who said the EU was the only party providing aid to Syria.

    “It's outrageous twisting of facts which ignores what Russia has been doing for a long time,” Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry also officially responded to Mogherini’s statement “with surprise,” and said that Russia, “unlike other international players, is actively supplying thousands of tons of humanitarian aid to various regions in Syria, including the liberated areas in eastern Aleppo, at the risk of Russian military lives.”

    “If the high representative [Mogherini] means providing assistance to terrorists and extremists, then we don’t participate in this, indeed,” the statement added.

    The Russian official's statement comes after the High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Federica Mogherini said in Berlin on Wednesday, that the EU “are the ones – the ones, not among the ones – that are providing humanitarian aid, in Syria and around. I don't see many others doing as much as we are.”

    RT’s Peter Oliver asked Mogherini to expand on her comments at the OSCE summit in Hamburg, but received no answer.

    Mogherini's words aren't the first aimed against the Russian humanitarian effort in Syria: last week, British Prime Minister Theresa May's office said that “the Syrian regime and their influencers [be it Russia, or others] are preventing aid” from reaching Aleppo.

    In response, Russian Ministry of Defense spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov said that “the UK government has lost an objective view of what is happening in Syria, including Aleppo, due to Russophobia,” adding that the UK has not sent “a single gram of flour, any medicine or blankets to help” civilians in Aleppo during the whole Syrian conflict.

    “If the UK government really wants to send humanitarian aid to residents in the eastern neighborhoods [of Aleppo], it has all conditions for doing this, just tell us where it [the aid] has been held up."

    Also last week, the Russian Ministry of Defense said that the UN halted its aid deliveries to Aleppo, after over 40 percent of the territory previously controlled by militants was recaptured by Syrian government forces.

    Deputy Foreign Minister Ryabkov also slammed the UN aid effort in Syria.

    “While the UN humanitarian plan is something that exists on paper, experts on international relations and humanitarian specialists in Geneva inexplicably missed dozens of opportunities to join the humanitarian work to ease the plight of Aleppo, its outskirts, and other regions in Syria," he said, as cited by TASS.

    At the end of November, Konashenkov said that “only through the Russian Syrian Reconciliation Center was thousands of tons of humanitarian aid delivered to Aleppo, Hama, Homs, Damascus, Latakia, Palmyra, Deir ez-Zor, and other cities.”

    NATzO bullshitters spewing lies and claiming credit for all the good in the world. Truly, Satan's spawn.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:52 pm

    Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:29 pm

    Austin wrote:Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails


    I hope the guy in this piece does not "suicide himself" as others who break the propaganda narrative do.

    Also, the public impression is being generated that Russia hacked the election and not just influenced it.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:57 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Austin wrote:Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails


    I hope the guy in this piece does not "suicide himself" as others who break the propaganda narrative do.

    Also, the public impression is being generated that Russia hacked the election and not just influenced it.

    Either that poor bastard ends up in a shallow grave or this reality check is gonna get swiftly cancelled, my moneys on both happening.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:44 pm

    If the Russians hacked the DNC then they should be able to show a clear trail of the data packets from the DNC servers to Russia and then presumably to Wikileaks servers... if they are not revealing this evidence then there can only be one reason why... it didn't happen.

    I would say we have a Snowden mk2 who realised the whole propaganda machine was working for Clinton against anyone else and decided to release or leak the data to try to level the playing field.

    Obama could not suggest that as that would be revealing that the whistleblower was a patriot, Clinton is a criminal, and that the US public made the right choice on election day...

    It must be Putins fault...


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:20 am

    The issue seems to be that with HRC loss Obama Legacy on key issues like Obama Care or TPP agreement wont be carried forward and that has hurt Obama more than any thing else.

    HRC was suppose to be Obama 3.0 but American Voters had other ideas.

    Obama was too self rightous to believe that he could ever be wrong and HRC was too confident with 100 % of US Media backing her and Money power of wall street to believe she could ever loose.

    Now he needs to find out Scapegoat and the most easiest for Obama is to blame the Russians and HRC to blame FBI & Russians.

    In the end its easy to explain in short and long run that they lost due to Russian Hacking and FBI surprise then to accept that their policy for 8 years has got more problem for common American then solved it so they lost , that would be a personal failure for them.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:41 pm

    Might not be an actual propaganda material, but i still felt like sharing it with you guys. I am big fan of Top Gear, watching it since like 1998. or so. And this short video caught my interest. I assume everyone knows who Jeremy Clarkson is.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:56 pm

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38630152?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    "Kosovo and Serbia - key recent dates
    1991 - Start of the violent break-up of Yugoslavia
    1996 - Rebel Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) steps up attacks on Serbian authorities in Kosovo - met with a Serbian crackdown
    1999 - Nato bombs Serbian targets - Yugoslav and Serbian forces respond with ethnic cleansing against Kosovo Albanians but withdraw from Kosovo after a peace agreement"

    This is how BBC sees Kosovo matter
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:40 am

    About a dozen years ago, I came across people on various forums who predicted that by 2015:
    -Russia will be buying surplus US F-16 planes to patrol its airspace.
    -All the Russian aircraft companies would not be able to design new planes, let alone produce them. They would all close down.
    -The Russian navy would be limited to shore duties.
    Etc. etc.

    Sadly, we still do have that kind of negative people on this forum who still think generally that way: Rafale is the greatest, Kuztnetsov is junk, Welding sucks etc. etc.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:42 am

    Those people must feel like idiots now after seeing PAK FA, Su-30SM, Su-35, etc.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:09 am

    Those people must feel like idiots now after seeing PAK FA, Su-30SM, Su-35, etc.

    Sadly no... their denial knows no bounds...

    For them to admit they were wrong they would have to also admit that the US and the west is not a power for good and democracy in the world and the pinnacle of human evolution and development.

    Flankers are just Russian versions of the F-15 and the PAK FA is just a Russian F-22.

    Inferior of course too...

    Of course the same coloured glasses tell us that the F-15 is just a copy of the aircraft it was designed to combat... the MiG-25 and the F-22 is just a stealthy F-15, so you can say that the F-22 is a stealthy MiG-25 copy.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:16 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:About a dozen years ago, I came across people on various forums who predicted that by 2015:
    -Russia will be buying surplus US F-16 planes to patrol its airspace.
    -All the Russian aircraft companies would not be able to design new planes, let alone produce them. They would all close down.
    -The Russian navy would be limited to shore duties.
    Etc. etc.

    Sadly, we still do have that kind of negative people  on this forum who still think generally that way: Rafale is the greatest, Kuztnetsov is junk, Welding sucks etc. etc.

    I really tried to be polite as one can be but... could you.. maybe... by some chance... quote me on topics regarding Rafale, Kuz and BTR-80 with your arguments if you have any so we can discuss your points of view instead of moutwashing me on all other unrelated topics of this forum (since this is not your first time)? Or you maybe prefer that all but 5 of you Russia str.onk guys remain here on this forum, telling eachother how great Kuznetsov is while massaging eachothers scrotums?

    PS

    I never said "Rafale is the greatest", i said "Rafale is the best naval fighter", feel free to bring arguments aganist the statement.
    I never said "welding sucks" i said "Welding sucks on this BTR-80", again feel free to bring your arguments on the topic.
    And i never, said Kuznetsov is a junk, i am however great critic of its parading around while in the current state.

    Best regards, "negative person"
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:24 pm

    More wishful piece of shlt garbage from Stratfor Rolling Eyes

    Russia is a mess — the poverty rate is soaring and only 10 of 85 regions are financially stable
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:56 pm

    For me , the transformation of soviet union into CIS . Is fascinating and bewildering at the same time . Someone said that they have now more millionaires in Russia than America ! If this is true then how they achieved this ? Also the rate of capital growth must have been very high . Inevitably where there is great wealth , there is great poverty . But Russia wants to raise it's living standards . Sanctions removed . This encourages investment and trade . Perhaps higher living standards . If trump removes sanctions on Russia . All well and good for Russia . But if they say that let us kick Iran around or you won't get sanction lifted . Then this is no good . Similarly Iran did not try to steal share of Russia export oil market to west . Over Ukraine. National gain should not be at expense of national loss for your allies . This is like a hungry man eating his own foot to survive . It is contradictory .

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:46 pm

    Project Canada wrote:More wishful piece of shlt garbage from Stratfor Rolling Eyes

    Russia is a mess — the poverty rate is soaring and only 10 of 85 regions are financially stable

    Stratfor is in the business of telling its customers what they want to hear and pushing the narrative and not actual research and forecasting.
    They keep making these 100% wrong forecasts for decades (not just Stratfor but the lot of these outfits) and there is never any loss
    of revenue and bankruptcy.   So they must serve an actual market, the delusional western masturbator market.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:18 pm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/31/where-are-coups-most-likely-to-occur-in-2017/?utm_term=.6267a196cdc7



    A fine specimen of delusional anti-Russian propaganda from the Washington Post. We are supposed to believe that Russia has a higher
    risk of a coup than Egypt, Ukraine, Fiji and Nigeria a set of countries with actual and successful coups in the last 30 years. Russia has
    not had a coup during the last 30 years unless you consider the breakup of the USSR a coup. Perhaps it was but it was not the same
    thing as the Kiev coup in February of 2014.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:17 am

    @KVS

    Good article about coup . NATO and west try the cheap route first of regime change . And sometimes they try direct intervention . NATO forms a big block . Powerful nations . Too much power . Allowing interventionist war . Specially against weaker nation . After collapse of WARSAW pact . In a unipolar world . The yanks had less opposition . They used this chance to intervene in middle East . Russia and Iran and China can not be regime changed by coup or sanction . So they are now resorting to direct military threats and interventions in Europe / Ukraine against Russia , against Iran in Persian Gulf . And against China in South China sea . They know they can not fight a simultaneous war against all three . So they hope to divide and conquer ( warming up with Russia and attacking Iran and then warming up to China to attack Russia ...) . What if a new military pact was formed to replace WARSAW pact . Consisting of Iran and Russia and China and any other country that joins in . To confront NATO aggression . Iranians fighting in Europe against advancing NATO troops and Russians fighting in Persian Gulf against Yank incursion . And both fighting in China against NATO attack .



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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:48 pm

    I would like to know what do people think about Trump and US putting Iran on notice about their latest missile test? Also I would like a detailed explanation of the situation in Yemen that says Iran is arming the rebels there. Why is the US and Saudi Arabia involved?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adopts-aggressive-posture-toward-iran-missile-launch-001638643.html
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:34 pm

    andalusia wrote:I would like to know what do people think about Trump and US putting Iran on notice about their latest missile test? Also I would like a detailed explanation of the situation in Yemen that says Iran is arming the rebels there. Why is the US and Saudi Arabia involved?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adopts-aggressive-posture-toward-iran-missile-launch-001638643.html

    Iran and Saudia Arabia are in a cold war and fund opposing Islamic factions. The Saudis are radicalizing Sunnis with Wahabbism, while Iran
    has been mostly trying to prevent the extermination of Shi'ites by the Wahabbis. If you follow strife in Pakistan there was and still continues
    a long string of terror bombings of Shi'ites by Wahabbis.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia are de facto allies even if the rhetoric does not match. They are both protectorates and client states of the USA.
    The USA has been brazenly supporting Wahabbi terrorists in Syria. Syria is a long standing ally of Iran. The Israelis are actually helping
    ISIS/Daesh fighters who cross into its territory for medical and other aid. Israel can't pretend it is doing this out of humanitarian concern.
    It is in a rabid fight with Shi'ites in Lebanon and its prime target is Iran. Hebrews may as well be Sunnis how they ally themselves with them.

    The above picture is a bit simplistic since not all Sunnis are Shia hating Wahabbis and you can see this in Syria where much of the SAA is
    composed of Sunnis even if it is Sunni regions that have been taken over by the jihadis.

    America is not going to be Russia's friend. America's elites are deluded with exceptionalism and manifest destiny. Politicians come and go
    but this scummy essence remains. Trump will try to put a wedge between Russia and China. America's rulers are deathly afraid of a
    Eurasian alliance: Russia, China, Iran and other states. This will create the most potent economic zone on the planet and hence the most
    powerful bloc. The Sun is setting over the west and is rising over Eurasia.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:17 pm


    @Andalusia

    First point about Iran nuclear deal . Iran has not broken the deal as per UN resolution . The missile tests are all conventional warhead and not nuclear . And as such there are allowed . No mention of range was made in UN resolution either . So Iran can have as many varied range ballistic missiles with conventional warheads . However the yanks are in breach of UN resolution . Since all unilateral and multilateral sanctions had to be removed . However banking sanctions remain . And Iran can not sell it's oil . And it is unable to buy passenger planes from Boing . And Airbus has problems too . Since some components are from Boing . This action by yank is a practical breaking of nuclear deal . If not an official tearing up of deal . The result will be the same . Iran will respond in kind . But this may not be known to all .

    Did Russia vote in favour of UN resolution in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and yemen ? Allowing military action by yanks ? If they had voted against . Then this was better . This would make such actions illegal . Just because a government forms the majority , this does not make them legitimate . Just because opposition is minority , this does not make them illegitimate . This depends on many different factors . Such as their politics and whether they are willing to compromise . Are they peaceful and ready for ceasefire . And if they will coexist with others .......

    In this sense the Houthis are not comparable to isis in Syria . And Hadi is not comparable to Assad . The Russians and Chinese have to understand this . And make distinctions . Sanctions must be imposed on those who transgress the boundaries and reject peace . A new UN resolution is needed for Yemen . The yanks and Brits should not be allowed to drag their heels with the text . People in Yemen are dying under the weight of the inhuman and unjust previous UN resolution .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Godric on Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:28 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    @Andalusia

    First point about Iran nuclear deal . Iran has not broken the deal as per UN resolution . The missile tests are all conventional warhead and not nuclear . And as such there are allowed . No mention of range was made in UN resolution either . So Iran can have as many varied range ballistic missiles with conventional warheads . However the yanks are in breach of UN resolution . Since all unilateral and multilateral sanctions had to be removed . However banking sanctions remain . And Iran can not sell it's oil . And it is unable to buy passenger planes from Boing . And Airbus has problems too . Since some components are from Boing . This action by yank is a practical breaking of nuclear deal . If not an official tearing up of deal . The result will be the same . Iran will respond in kind . But this may not be known to all .

    Did Russia vote in favour of UN resolution in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and yemen ? Allowing military action by yanks ? If they had voted against . Then this was better . This would make such actions illegal . Just because a government forms the majority , this does not make them legitimate . Just because opposition is minority , this does not make them illegitimate . This depends on many different factors . Such as their politics and whether they are willing to compromise . Are they peaceful and ready for ceasefire . And if they will coexist with others .......

    In this sense the Houthis are not comparable to isis in  Syria . And Hadi is not comparable to Assad  . The Russians and Chinese have to understand this . And make distinctions . Sanctions must be imposed on those who transgress the boundaries and reject peace . A new UN resolution is needed for Yemen . The yanks and Brits should not be allowed to drag their heels with the text . People in Yemen are dying under the weight of the inhuman and unjust previous UN resolution .

    i said as much on the MESS that it was America who broke the deal by not removing the agreed sanctions and that it was hypocrisy to believe that America can ignore an agreement while the American believes it's opponents should still adhere to the agreement ... my comments were not well received by Americans and and their Israelis pals
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nomadski on Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:50 pm


    @Godric

    Yes well said . I knew also that they will not stick to deal . But Iran had to try . I think Iran will adhere to the UN resolution . Andwill hope that US sanctions will remain unilateral sanctions . And that they can overcome banking sanctions with the help of some European or Russian or Chinese banks . Together with trade with them . In the end the yanks would have cut off their noses to spite their faces . In the end they may have to resort to direct military intervention . And then it is best that Iran confronts them with own military . So Russia and China should not be concerned with the scale of our defences . It is better for them to stay out of it . Giving indirect help .
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:03 pm

    Russia out of Korea!  Laughing


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